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What ever happened to PCP?

@Fertile is right about that not falling under the purview of RICO statutes. It stands for "Racketeering Influenced Criminal Organization." This would not qualify as such as racketeering here refers to dishonest/fraudulent business practices

@Delmonte421 probably was referring to the criminal offenses of aiding and abetting a known crime and/or committing an "act of furtherance". For example, I know someone who served time for "teaching others to make an incendiary device." However, that's a little bit different, crime-wise. And you do have certain, inalienable rights.
 
Yeah - but if it's in subgrad chemistry books.... it's hardly difficult to acquire. Good god - there are 70 years of patents. One thing I DO know is what laws I am in danger of falling foul of. Furtherance from that which is patented and in textbooks.... I do not see it. Just an attempt to assert superior knowledge.

I don't - I provide the information. That being the metric chemists work by to whit - facile routes.


Anyway, 1-phenylcyclohexan-1-amine isn't a listed precursor so reductive amination with acetaldehyde.... for PCC. Not hard.
 
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Fertile said:
Yeah - but if it's in subgrad chemistry books.... it's hardly difficult to acquire.
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Think a la clandestine. If it were so easy such labs would be more common.

Fertile said:
One think I DO know is what laws I am in danger of falling foul to.
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All due respect, but hubris risks attracting over-zealous types. But I agree the risk is small if you know what you're doing.

Fertile said:
Furtherance from that which is patented and in textbooks....
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Federal US law viz. conspiracy and "overt acts of furtherance" can be found in 18 U.S.C. § 371.

Fertile said:
Just an attempt to assert superior knowledge.
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Granted pedantic wankers exist, but you are perhaps overreacting and misreading friendliness for a pissing contest. We're on the same team, Capitano :) Maybe take it down a notch?

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I don't - I provide the information. That being the metric chemists work by to whit - facile routes.
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Metric? Not in 'Murrica, buddy. We prefer Imperial with zero irony, thank ya! ;)
J/k. Tangential: are you familiar with the story of Hobart Huson? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart_Huson

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Anyway, 1-phenylcyclohexan-1-amine isn't a listed precursor so reductive amination with acetaldehyde.... for PCC. Not hard.
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Be that as it may, fuck ordering "1-phenylcyclohexa"-any-goddamn-thing w/o legit purposes for it. Shit = hot as a fucking firecracker. WTF else would one be doing with that?

I read an article yrs ago about how we forget how ignorance feels and take the info for granted. Teachers often struggle to empathize w/students as a result.
What I'm saying is: it takes conscious effort to be patient as an educator. Have a great day!
 
unodelacosa said:
Think a la clandestine. If it were so easy such labs would be more common.


All due respect, but hubris risks attracting over-zealous types. But I agree the risk is small if you know what you're doing.


Federal US law viz. conspiracy and "overt acts of furtherance" can be found in 18 U.S.C. § 371.


Granted pedantic wankers exist, but you are perhaps overreacting and misreading friendliness for a pissing contest. We're on the same team, Capitano :) Maybe take it down a notch?


Metric? Not in 'Murrica, buddy. We prefer Imperial with zero irony, thank ya! ;)
J/k. Tangential: are you familiar with the story of Hobart Huson? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart_Huson


Be that as it may, fuck ordering "1-phenylcyclohexa"-any-goddamn-thing w/o legit purposes for it. Shit = hot as a fucking firecracker. WTF else would one be doing with that?

I read an article yrs ago about how we forget how ignorance feels and take the info for granted. Teachers often struggle to empathize w/students as a result.
What I'm saying is: it takes conscious effort to be patient as an educator. Have a great day!
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Don't want to speak for him but I'm not sure his post was directed at you, there was an exchange that has since been deleted.
 
deficiT said:
Don't want to speak for him but I'm not sure his post was directed at you, there was an exchange that has since been deleted.
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To be clear, I wasn't speaking for myself and didn't take it that way. I was trying to tell @Fertile that I interpreted @Delmonte421's comments to be one of friendliness. I was encouraging the peace, believe it or not, and have no personal/emotional investment in this discussion.

p.s., I feel badly about AD's sudden and dramatic departure from the site, but I'll address this elsewhere. Thanks for offering clarity all the same :)🤙
 
Maybe it's because 300mg fetches $1 that barbs aren't popular? You REALLY need to understand the economics of drug production!

No law was even closely skirted since the synthesis is in sub-grad books, patents and in multiple places on-line. It just isn't a secret.

Conspiracy requires one to conspire to produce a specific illegal event or act. Simply posting a VERY well known synthesis to anyone who can read is not, therefore, conspiracy. I didn't suggest anyone use the synthesis nor where to acquire precursors nor who to sell any theoretical product to. Yes - someone tried it on me - but as you see, here I am, free.

I have not asserted any qualifications - I leave it to my actions and to the trust and faith placed in me by people I know DO have similar qualifications (but as fastandbulbous said - who the hell knows WHERE the documentation went to.... from 35 years ago. I think mine went onto my Mums wall - dunno where it went when she died. So asserting a qualification is almost certainly only someone LACKING said qualification would claim. Nobody can realistically check and thus anyone can claim ANYTHING, It's facility to solve chemistry questions that is the USEFUL thing one can do.

I am familiar with Strike. He sold someone a stack of Ocotea oil. He got himself a name so the DEA wanted him and then he sold an illegal precursor IN PERSON. I guess he believed his own publicity. Nice guy, always tried to be helpful but so badly considered. Pay someone a stipend to run site. Use cut-outs to sell chemicals and don't sell chemicals and kit all at the same time!

I admit - he did to only get 8 and serve 6... but PMK-glycidate WAS known and WAS legal. Originally it was made from 3,4-MD cinnamic acid methyl ether. Back then the Chinese would have happily sold it. Still, hindsight is easy.

Also knew Casey a bit - not such a nice guy as it turned out BUT I found who at Erowid grassed him up. I bet you can guess HER name.

As for precursors - invest time in knowing what legitimate use(s) they DO have. If you must, invent one. In this case no need - it has uses.
 
unodelacosa said:
To be clear, I wasn't speaking for myself and didn't take it that way. I was trying to tell @Fertile that I interpreted @Delmonte421's comments to be one of friendliness. I was encouraging the peace, believe it or not, and have no personal/emotional investment in this discussion.

p.s., I feel badly about AD's sudden and dramatic departure from the site, but I'll address this elsewhere. Thanks for offering clarity all the same :)🤙
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I was being friendly but it seems this place is a toxic place for peaceful conversions. PEACE and LOVE is where I come from and my chemistry knowledge is more geared to cancer research not illicit drug synthesis, sorry. Thats not what I went to school to do with my life.
 
Well OK - goodbye. If I knew your name I would surely look for papers.
 
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I was being friendly
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I know. Did you misread my comment? I was defending your comment as friendly. That's what I was saying. Relax, we're all just chitchatting. @Fertile gets a little worked up from time to time, but don't take it personally.

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but it seems this place is a toxic place for peaceful conversions.
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Not at all. Where do you get that impression? One person's disagreement? Meh. Like they say in AA: if it doesn't apply, let it fly.

Delmonte421 said:
PEACE and LOVE is where I come from and my chemistry knowledge is more geared to cancer research not illicit drug synthesis, sorry. Thats not what I went to school to do with my life.
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Well, yeah, I mean nobody majors in clandestine chemistry in school; they don't really offer that course program last I checked, lol. Anyway, this is all hypothetical and besides, organic chemistry is organic chemistry. Your education is very much welcome here and appreciated. Have a great day :)🤙
 
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unodelacosa said:
I know. Did you misread my comment? I was defending your comment as friendly. That's what I was saying. Relax, we're all just chitchatting. @Fertile gets a little worked up from time to time, but don't take it personally.


Not at all. Where do you get that impression? One person's disagreement? Meh. Like they say in AA: if it doesn't apply, let it fly.


Well, yeah, I mean nobody majors in clandestine chemistry in school; they don't really offer that course program last I checked, lol. Anyway, this is all hypothetical and besides, organic chemistry is organic chemistry. Your education is very much welcome here and appreciated. Have a great day :)🤙
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Thanks for the nice comments. I'm a radio-chemist so I did do organic work in graduate school but as a radiochemist I need to know more about how to not only synthesis these molecules which uses simple organic reactions like grindards, and coupling reactions, SN1 Flouro reactions but with radio active atoms. It called targeted radio therapy. Diagnostic and theranostic therapy is the correct terms. The reason I say this is they actually do pretty cool work with carfentanil by radiolabeling it with a radioactive carbon and using a PET scanner to see where the radioactive opioid goes which I believe is the D1,2 receptors in the brain. here is the publication for reference
 
Good read. I was a but surprised when I saw there was 114 replies here. It's a good question. PCP was once a pretty big drug, and considered problematic in the media and police forces due to it's users having seemingly superhuman strength and out of their trees. There was a lot of serious confrontations with this.

I wonder if PCP was a bigger drug still if there would be a greater incidence of ‘police brutality’ aka shot to death in a dissociative induced rampage.

I've used plenty of K and some DXM at a few different points in my life. I take it that the energy levels would go like K ---> DXM ---> PCP and the sheer potency levels DXM ---> K ---> PCP.

I think that makes PCP a no go for me. I wouldn't want something more potent than K because I find the experience of it to be kind of disturbing at times (not a bug fan of it anymore) and having a huge urge to get active in a state even more extreme would be a problem. Maybe people figured out over time how harsh a drug it is and that's a part of the reason why its population waned in the early 2000s in my parts.

It's a bit like acid here regarding it's popularity. Acid is having somewhat the resurgence in recent years, but it's nowhere near the mega popular drug it was in the 70s / 80s / early to mid 90s.

Clearly the influx of the big 3 which are coke/crack, opioids, and meth have major factors in this too. Crack got huge around the time PCP went out of style and stayed that way til the 2010s when meth took over on the stims front and the Purdue Oxycontin EpIdemic began around that time too. K was a mega popular drug in my area through the 2000s through the early 2010s as well which is when I got turned onto that.

I was 15 living in a beach town by the beach and I got started by wheeling around a back road doing bumps from a vial in 2007. I used K many times between 07 to 09 or 10 and then a couple reintroductions in 2017 via darknet and 2021 when I picked some up. Accidentally. I asked for Molly in this ‘party pack’ which was a bunch of different things and my guy ran out so he substituted K. I did a couple lines of Molly not noticing the Color difference of my substance and I went into a K hole!

Terrifying experience.

Sorry for the rambling disclosure of personal history in timelines it’s just how I organize my memories and think.

For a variety of reasons, drugs literally go in and out of style. I can see disassociating drugs coming back onto the first potentially and especially in certain groups like lgbtq for instance where K is fairly popular.. but it’ll be something new. The RC circuit is going to have a few things become mainstream like carfent has in recent years and a good disassociative is perfectly plausible to be in that mix.

I predict new drugs!
 
Joey said:
Good read. I was a but surprised when I saw there was 114 replies here. It's a good question. PCP was once a pretty big drug, and considered problematic in the media and police forces due to it's users having seemingly superhuman strength and out of their trees. There was a lot of serious confrontations with this.

I wonder if PCP was a bigger drug still if there would be a greater incidence of ‘police brutality’ aka shot to death in a dissociative induced rampage.

I've used plenty of K and some DXM at a few different points in my life. I take it that the energy levels would go like K ---> DXM ---> PCP and the sheer potency levels DXM ---> K ---> PCP.

I think that makes PCP a no go for me. I wouldn't want something more potent than K because I find the experience of it to be kind of disturbing at times (not a bug fan of it anymore) and having a huge urge to get active in a state even more extreme would be a problem. Maybe people figured out over time how harsh a drug it is and that's a part of the reason why its population waned in the early 2000s in my parts.

It's a bit like acid here regarding it's popularity. Acid is having somewhat the resurgence in recent years, but it's nowhere near the mega popular drug it was in the 70s / 80s / early to mid 90s.

Clearly the influx of the big 3 which are coke/crack, opioids, and meth have major factors in this too. Crack got huge around the time PCP went out of style and stayed that way til the 2010s when meth took over on the stims front and the Purdue Oxycontin EpIdemic began around that time too. K was a mega popular drug in my area through the 2000s through the early 2010s as well which is when I got turned onto that.

I was 15 living in a beach town by the beach and I got started by wheeling around a back road doing bumps from a vial in 2007. I used K many times between 07 to 09 or 10 and then a couple reintroductions in 2017 via darknet and 2021 when I picked some up. Accidentally. I asked for Molly in this ‘party pack’ which was a bunch of different things and my guy ran out so he substituted K. I did a couple lines of Molly not noticing the Color difference of my substance and I went into a K hole!

Terrifying experience.

Sorry for the rambling disclosure of personal history in timelines it’s just how I organize my memories and think.

For a variety of reasons, drugs literally go in and out of style. I can see disassociating drugs coming back onto the first potentially and especially in certain groups like lgbtq for instance where K is fairly popular.. but it’ll be something new. The RC circuit is going to have a few things become mainstream like carfent has in recent years and a good disassociative is perfectly plausible to be in that mix.

I predict new drugs!
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That story with the MDMA and it being K is crazy lol well thats what you get when you can't wait the extra 15 minutes to just eat it lol jk but main blowing MDMA that shit BURNS like a MF. I just recently at my late age tried K because I was instresed in the antidepressant effects of it and wanted to personally fully understand it. I do love it! BUT I only do it with other drugs so like if I go on an MDMA binge, like 2-3 E pills or like a 750mg-1250mg over the course of a couple hours, ill end with the K OR LSD. Its a weird ritual of mine but the K and LSD I always felt helped me at the end of there MDMA to "rewrite" my brain by way of its increase in neuroplasticity. I also have ended up in the ER from panic attacks too unfortunately and now always have to have Xanax with me. Back to PCP, I smoked PCP when I was in my 20's as an African american its still very much around still in my families cirlces. Some relatives who live through out America in some of our major cities who may not be as educated as me seem to like it and use it occasionally. I know people who would smoke dust daily iff they could. But then again it's very much a inner city African American drug.
 
Delmonte421 said:
That story with the MDMA and it being K is crazy lol well thats what you get when you can't wait the extra 15 minutes to just eat it lol jk but main blowing MDMA that shit BURNS like a MF. I just recently at my late age tried K because I was instresed in the antidepressant effects of it and wanted to personally fully understand it. I do love it! BUT I only do it with other drugs so like if I go on an MDMA binge, like 2-3 E pills or like a 750mg-1250mg over the course of a couple hours, ill end with the K OR LSD. Its a weird ritual of mine but the K and LSD I always felt helped me at the end of there MDMA to "rewrite" my brain by way of its increase in neuroplasticity. I also have ended up in the ER from panic attacks too unfortunately and now always have to have Xanax with me. Back to PCP, I smoked PCP when I was in my 20's as an African american its still very much around still in my families cirlces. Some relatives who live through out America in some of our major cities who may not be as educated as me seem to like it and use it occasionally. I know people who would smoke dust daily iff they could. But then again it's very much a inner city African American drug.
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How is the scene regarding addiction or dependence there? I've only seen a couple accounts of PCP addiction and it looks very tough and very tough to navigate mentally.
 
Joey said:
How is the scene regarding addiction or dependence there? I've only seen a couple accounts of PCP addiction and it looks very tough and very tough to navigate mentally.
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I don't know anyone so to say addicted to PCP lol I mean Stanley Williams is the famous guy who was addicted to PCP.
 
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