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Kratom Kratom after some beers

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Hi fellow blue lighters ,

Do people enjoy combining kratom with alcohol ?
I'm sure its not a recommended combo ,and i felt quite bad effect from my red strain after i drank some desperado's . Not much though but didnt expect the kratom would suck greatly, but not sure if its entirely from the alcohol . I am not rlly a drinker myself .


Greetings,
 
A quick search of Bluelight mentions the two combined having possible liver toxicity. Also states that's rare, I dunno.

However, I seem to remember reading that you can get sick from drinking while in the early stages of a Kratom buzz. A quick search doesn't find this and I don't feel like researching further. But, it did happen to me, what you seem to describe.

Soon after taking some Kratom I began drinking to get drunk and ended up yakking after not so much booze. So, I don't do that anymore.
I'll start drinking slowly a few hours in as the Kratom begins to wear off and that's worked OK a number of times. It's actually nice sometimes, easing from one into the other.
But, I don't drink in the early stages and I recommend to people who I give Kratom to not do that as well.

What happened to me could just be an anomaly. It could just be both of them causing nausea together. I can only state what happened to me once and that I avoid drinking in the first few hours of Kratom.
 
I can see this combo be bad in multiple ways. GI system is badly hit by both alcohol and kratom. Dehydration is another problem as both substances cause it. If you are doing it here and there I do not see real harm. Not more than alcohol alone would do anyway. If I would combine it, and take note that I don't drink at all, I would try green or white strains with lots of watter or some Getorade like drink - when alchohol is leaving your system. But as I said I just don't know. @Snafu in the Void sorry for @ing you but I believe thst you could help here. If you find some time that is. 🙂
 
@Sunyecho with no tolerance to kratom (when you can really feel the opioid effects) I found the combo to be fairly decent and seductive. I never noticed much GI issues. WITH kratom tolerance, it's fairly boring and nothing to write home about, the alcohol overpowers the kratom (I drink A LOT, though). I generally never combine them for this reason.

On the day after, if you are hungover, kratom is very hard on the stomach. There are some rare, but notable, cases of severe hepatoxicity with this combo.

I've never used kratom AFTER alcohol, only before. I'm an alcoholic though... so I guess that's only natural.

Also, if you are prone to psychosis or take other serotonergic medications such as SSRIs or antipsychotics I would definitely AVOID this combo. I have noticed some negative reactions in this realm.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
A quick search of Bluelight mentions the two combined having possible liver toxicity. Also states that's rare, I dunno.

However, I seem to remember reading that you can get sick from drinking while in the early stages of a Kratom buzz. A quick search doesn't find this and I don't feel like researching further. But, it did happen to me, what you seem to describe.

Soon after taking some Kratom I began drinking to get drunk and ended up yakking after not so much booze. So, I don't do that anymore.
I'll start drinking slowly a few hours in as the Kratom begins to wear off and that's worked OK a number of times. It's actually nice sometimes, easing from one into the other.
But, I don't drink in the early stages and I recommend to people who I give Kratom to not do that as well.

What happened to me could just be an anomaly. It could just be both of them causing nausea together. I can only state what happened to me once and that I avoid drinking in the first few hours of Kratom.
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I don't see combining some beers with kratom causes liver toxicity . I was just talking about its effects .😝
 
Snafu in the Void said:
@Sunyecho with no tolerance to kratom (when you can really feel the opioid effects) I found the combo to be fairly decent and seductive. I never noticed much GI issues. WITH kratom tolerance, it's fairly boring and nothing to write home about, the alcohol overpowers the kratom (I drink A LOT, though). I generally never combine them for this reason.

On the day after, if you are hungover, kratom is very hard on the stomach. There are some rare, but notable, cases of severe hepatoxicity with this combo.

I've never used kratom AFTER alcohol, only before. I'm an alcoholic though... so I guess that's only natural.

Also, if you are prone to psychosis or take other serotonergic medications such as SSRIs or antipsychotics I would definitely AVOID this combo. I have noticed some negative reactions in this realm.
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Ah yeah i never have hangovers , i only drink some beers not more :)
 
Snafu in the Void said:
@Sunyecho with no tolerance to kratom (when you can really feel the opioid effects) I found the combo to be fairly decent and seductive. I never noticed much GI issues. WITH kratom tolerance, it's fairly boring and nothing to write home about, the alcohol overpowers the kratom (I drink A LOT, though). I generally never combine them for this reason.

On the day after, if you are hungover, kratom is very hard on the stomach. There are some rare, but notable, cases of severe hepatoxicity with this combo.

I've never used kratom AFTER alcohol, only before. I'm an alcoholic though... so I guess that's only natural.

Also, if you are prone to psychosis or take other serotonergic medications such as SSRIs or antipsychotics I would definitely AVOID this combo. I have noticed some negative reactions in this realm.
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What is kratom best combined with ?
 
Sunyecho said:
I can see this combo be bad in multiple ways. GI system is badly hit by both alcohol and kratom. Dehydration is another problem as both substances cause it. If you are doing it here and there I do not see real harm. Not more than alcohol alone would do anyway. If I would combine it, and take note that I don't drink at all, I would try green or white strains with lots of watter or some Getorade like drink - when alchohol is leaving your system. But as I said I just don't know. @Snafu in the Void sorry for @ing you but I believe thst you could help here. If you find some time that is. 🙂
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Thanks for the information !
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
Weed?
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Almost a cheat answer! (No hating, it's my answer too)

Weed goes so well with everything else and taps into the vibe of everything else.

I also like the idea of combining kratom with coffee, which i'm not sure i've tried yet.

Anyway i went a bit heavy on the kratom lately, like every second day or even two days in a row sometimes. Me and another went through 200 grams in like 3 weeks. My belly stopped working and i got very tired. I slept for like 16 hours one day. Still fine tuning its uses. Seems best as a daytime booster, but i'm conflicted about the idea of using drugs to get through errands. I am more of a part-time stoic, evening indulger.
 
Kratom is an Opioid. More specifically, Kratom is a plant that contains alkaloids that act as Opioid Receptor Agonists in the human body. I don't know how versed you are, but in short, everything that you know about Heroin or Morphine or Fentanyl applies analogously to the usage of Kratom. People use Kratom for its Opioid alkaloids. The most-well-known and studied of these is Mitragynine and its metabolites like 7-Hydroxymytragynine.

This would have made a lot more sense to people who grew up in a world where Codeine was still quite common as an OTC medicine. I understand Codeine is still used extensively in some places, but in the United States, Codeine has been a controlled substance since, I believe, the Harrison Act of 1914. In practically everywhere else around the world, it would have been and still may be common to get stuff like Co-Codamol or other brands containing Acetaminophen and a small amount of Codeine. It would have been far more common for a household to have a Codeine product just sitting around as they might Dextromethorphan (DXM) cough syrup.

In that era, there were very few people who died from taking too much Co-Codamol. It was generally pretty safe and the Acetaminophen was a soft deterrent toward abuse. Now, that doesn't mean that, a guy, after a night of heavy drinking, let's say 10 drinks or more over the course of an evening, who maybe takes a Benzodiazepine for one reason or another at the bar, wanders home and takes some Co-Codamol to top himself off wouldn't die. ]

In short, weaker Opioids are generally pretty safe, but that doesn't mean they can't be a "straw breaking the camel's" back for an unsuspecting user. I believe that this is probably, totally possible with Kratom, just as it would be with something like Codeine tablets. It's good to maintain some caution.
 
Keif' Richards said:
Kratom is an Opioid. More specifically, Kratom is a plant that contains alkaloids that act as Opioid Receptor Agonists in the human body. I don't know how versed you are, but in short, everything that you know about Heroin or Morphine or Fentanyl applies analogously to the usage of Kratom. People use Kratom for its Opioid alkaloids. The most-well-known and studied of these is Mitragynine and its metabolites like 7-Hydroxymytragynine.

This would have made a lot more sense to people who grew up in a world where Codeine was still quite common as an OTC medicine. I understand Codeine is still used extensively in some places, but in the United States, Codeine has been a controlled substance since, I believe, the Harrison Act of 1914. In practically everywhere else around the world, it would have been and still may be common to get stuff like Co-Codamol or other brands containing Acetaminophen and a small amount of Codeine. It would have been far more common for a household to have a Codeine product just sitting around as they might Dextromethorphan (DXM) cough syrup.

In that era, there were very few people who died from taking too much Co-Codamol. It was generally pretty safe and the Acetaminophen was a soft deterrent toward abuse. Now, that doesn't mean that, a guy, after a night of heavy drinking, let's say 10 drinks or more over the course of an evening, who maybe takes a Benzodiazepine for one reason or another at the bar, wanders home and takes some Co-Codamol to top himself off wouldn't die. ]

In short, weaker Opioids are generally pretty safe, but that doesn't mean they can't be a "straw breaking the camel's" back for an unsuspecting user. I believe that this is probably, totally possible with Kratom, just as it would be with something like Codeine tablets. It's good to maintain some caution.
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Apparently kratom causes much less respiratory depression than most opioids. There is a ceiling effect. Good to know. Now i just need to know what the other stuff it does is. What is the net effect on monoamine neurotransmitter systems?

If rhyncophylline is an NMDA antagonist, should we worry about bladder damage and be conservative with kratom just like with ketamine and similar?
 
Mjäll said:
Almost a cheat answer! (No hating, it's my answer too)

Weed goes so well with everything else and taps into the vibe of everything else.
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Point taken. I do like taking a gram or so of Kratom, which would be an "up", kinda stimulant effect, and then smoking though. Great for busy work like housework or fun work like fucking.
 
Mjäll said:
Apparently kratom causes much less respiratory depression than most opioids. There is a ceiling effect. Good to know. Now i just need to know what the other stuff it does is. What is the net effect on monoamine neurotransmitter systems?

If rhyncophylline is an NMDA antagonist, should we worry about bladder damage and be conservative with kratom just like with ketamine and similar?
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Honestly i have never noticed any respiratory depression with kratom . I can combine it with benzo's/baclofen/ghb/lyrica .
 
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