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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

Yeah one of the earliest pills to blow up in the UK scene were those white snowballs that had something like 220 mg MDA in them. Two of them would have people almost in a delirium with full on hallucinations in addition to Mescaline-like visuals. How nutty. But yeah I have to agree with you on the psychedelic tip re: MDMA / MDA higher doses. Definitely makes lights and visuals hypnotic and trance-like in a psychedelic way, and there's definitely something to be said for the fact that MDMA, MDA, et al. are all serotonergic and so are psychedelics like LSD and psilocin.

That said, the action is different.
  • MDMA is characterized by massive 5-HT release across the cortex allowing serotonin to activate dopamine sites in the brain due to the spillover. This activates pleasure centers and some psychedelic sites get light-to-moderate activity along the way.
  • Meanwhile serotonergic psychedelics get their activity chiefly through direct agonism of the 5HT2A and 5HT2C serotonin receptor subtypes. Some psychedelics like DMT seem to concentrate on just a few sites and then there are more complex molecules like LSD which affects a wide number of receptors, not just serotonin but also dopamine, sigma, and norepinephrine – and a quite a few subtypes within each type, which is a part of why LSD is so potent.
For me, the day after I take MDMA is usually kinda rough. I feel depleted and unmotivated. The day after I trip, after usually sleeping soundly (unlike with MDMA) I wake up feeling refreshed and wonderful. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Haha yes mate the legendary 90's "Original Snowballs" reportedly standardised at 200 mg's at least and the Gay club scene was awash with them.

I was told! Lol forreal, my mum sold hash all my youth to hippies &, some gay men raved about those snowballs in clubs.

Arguably an MDA version of equally maybe lesser reknowned though legendary, DoubleDoves, stamped both sides reported to be the best.


Older peers I knew knew, great intro friends at time been round the block, Paul told me all about the early 90's DoubleDoves.

The singles et al were all sublime already, Doves up to 170 mg's plus, but a 129 of pure MDMA or MDE combo was I have to feel somehow qualitatively and quantatively different stronger than equiv mg's in high rated presses nowdays.

Paul insisted you always could tell who in a club, rave had DoubleDoves it was so obvious even though everyone was pumped up shaming today's HR lol on many redoses of the finest.


I only took the Snowballs twice. 1st time 3.5 on Friday night after work, due work 6:30 am Saturday til 4:30 giant Tescos superstore Home Shopping trolley known and sought out for being so gregarious and popuar by EVERYBODY lol.


The Snowballs were legit. Amazing pills. As tall as wide. No print or score domed symetrcally top & bottom v well formed, large ish.

Had 3 by 3 am, decided now or never before work but only another half.

Second I bit it, bam! Hammered hard rushing tripping fucked!

Never eased off before work so I took a magnifying glass with me as i was tripping so much, rushing, so high. So luminous.

I was way too off it to try engaging with anybody so kept head down.

I had an uncanny ability to work on insane amounts of E, Acid, Ketamine etc and cannabis like 1500 mg's THC as dustman regs, never get caught.


Luckily it was the busiest day all year that Saturday. Rammed, like chlostrophobia in a sardine can.

Pro and con as ironically it granted me more space from employees, management etc.

Tough day still. Wasted all day.


Early 2000 I encountered something virtually identical possibly better maybe the most mind bending really on a brilliant trip pills ever took.

Identical shape to white Snowballs but green "Limes", stank heavenly.

Serious pills. So trippy, lasted forever.

Some for the desert island one day lol, thousand of those please sir "Check"

(There are maybe a dozen others you see so just a few of them lol)
 
at ease, peace with everyone and sharing your indisputable v high knowledge level of drugs & way more I'm sure, which irt to drugs at least eclipses my own little "notes" haha.
Oh idk, I appreciate the kind words, but you've got a better grip on the UK scene, that's for sure. And anyway if I've seen beyond the site's of others, I'm just peering from a perch atop the shoulders of giants, to borrow a phrase from one Sir Isaac Newton. ;)

Identical shape to white Snowballs but green "Limes", stank heavenly.
Yeah MDA has as different smell from MDMA, to me, with MDA having that sassafras/licorice smell underneath a strong dill aroma that brings out the sass smell and suppresses the licorice notes. Comparatively MDMA has that strong licorice note in spades.

Ah! So many good drugs; so little time for them all … And that's why ya gotta get it in while the gettin's good, my friends, fellow psychotropic enthusiasts, fine drug connoisseurs, psychonauts, rare substance aficionados, casual responsible drug users, and champions of civil liberties and the inalienable rights of individual freedom. Use drugs responsibly and share your stories with pride until we can finally end the so-called War on Drugs. Spread this gospel.
 
War on drugs is a disaster
Actually, I think it has been a huge success, overall and has run pretty much according to plan.

For the...Swines at least.

No stray balloon haphazardness going on that's only the theartre and illusion.


In UK atm they appear to be attempting to force cannabis into the Class A category after until C-shit full decriminalisation at least, likely full recreational legalisation and nationwide budding legal industry, likely prohibiting home growing though, still


Was apparently imminent within 5 years max from latter 2019.

It would have made sense for her Majesty as well because automatically her market would have bolstered a little overnight.


Now, no such bloody talk but harsher penalisations on way likely.

It's the perfect example of literally going backwards.

It ain't because they are trying to tackle or fix a single thing in the public's favour let's be honest.

LSD remaining illegal is little problem vs cannabis's ongoing illegality and restriction.

People have before wrongly imagined it would be dream come true for me, if LSD was legal again.

Makes no difference in my mind, to my life, hardly ever has really.

Cannabis being illegal on other hand, it's a 365 factor.

Personally even though I won't ever take Exstacy again, I'd much prefer to see that legalised, purified, offered responsibly and affordably.

Because I feel that would be good for the world, society, community and the growth we still need to make in consciousness.

It is precisely for these reasons that we have this forever lasting "war" on drugs.

It's a war on the people, freedom and consciousness especially really.
 
Actually, I think it has been a huge success, overall and has run pretty much according to plan.

For the...Swines at least.

No stray balloon haphazardness going on that's only the theartre and illusion.


In UK atm they appear to be attempting to force cannabis into the Class A category after until C-shit full decriminalisation at least, likely full recreational legalisation and nationwide budding legal industry, likely prohibiting home growing though, still


Was apparently imminent within 5 years max from latter 2019.

It would have made sense for her Majesty as well because automatically her market would have bolstered a little overnight.


Now, no such bloody talk but harsher penalisations on way likely.

It's the perfect example of literally going backwards.

It ain't because they are trying to tackle or fix a single thing in the public's favour let's be honest.

LSD remaining illegal is little problem vs cannabis's ongoing illegality and restriction.

People have before wrongly imagined it would be dream come true for me, if LSD was legal again.

Makes no difference in my mind, to my life, hardly ever has really.

Cannabis being illegal on other hand, it's a 365 factor.

Personally even though I won't ever take Exstacy again, I'd much prefer to see that legalised, purified, offered responsibly and affordably.

Because I feel that would be good for the world, society, community and the growth we still need to make in consciousness.

It is precisely for these reasons that we have this forever lasting "war" on drugs.

It's a war on the people, freedom and consciousness especially really.
Where did you read about cannabis going to class A??

Speed is only class B so I can't imagine they would change cannibis when rest of world is going down legal route.
 
Where did you read about cannabis going to class A??

Speed is only class B so I can't imagine they would change cannibis when rest of world is going down legal route.
I can't recall now where, it was either a headline story my mum sent me a link too, or somebody posted it on a large cannabis vaporization and general MJ forum.

Whether it goes through is yet to be seen, and it is obviously absurd, nonsensical and unjustified as anything but this was the definite postulation by some authoritative bodies calling for new stricter legislation & classification.

Because they are nuts. They know they can wing anything they desire.

If things start going the other way for them easy. Start a war. Engineer a pandemic, biologically, technologically and psyoply. Haha my new word.
 
I can't recall now where, it was either a headline story my mum sent me a link too, or somebody posted it on a large cannabis vaporization and general MJ forum.

Whether it goes through is yet to be seen, and it is obviously absurd, nonsensical and unjustified as anything but this was the definite postulation by some authoritative bodies calling for new stricter legislation & classification.

Because they are nuts. They know they can wing anything they desire.

If things start going the other way for them easy. Start a war. Engineer a pandemic, biologically, technologically and psyoply. Haha my new word.
I think cannabis will be legal by the 30s in UK.
 
I have had one GR8 roll since 2003. It was a pink Superman pma. I don't know why mdma doesn't work anymore. It retired. I had one blue ghost and one white grenade since 2003 that felt real. MDMA retired, folks.
 
I have had one GR8 roll since 2003. It was a pink Superman pma. I don't know why mdma doesn't work anymore. It retired. I had one blue ghost and one white grenade since 2003 that felt real. MDMA retired, folks.
And there we go. I think this was the answer everyone was waiting on. Well, we all knew retirement was coming for the old chap eventually. I guess no one thought he'd embrace as entirely as this, but so it goes, lads. So it goes.

Kind of a short run when you compare it to Miss Lucille Skye Diamond. Lucy might be an old broad, but she keeps bringing fire generation after generation. She's like the Elizabeth II of the drug world, lol.

Imagine if all of that were true.
 
No, by blocking MDMA, the simulation also decimated LSD's strength.
Oh wow, what an interesting thought. I love that conspiracy theory – that this is all one big simulation. The arguments for it fascinate me and it's a really fun thought experiment. A few months ago I read this article arguing that it's too odd and unlikely we have found zero evidence of life anywhere else in the universe, which might be a clue that this is a simulation. (Though in my mind, I think we have no frame of reference to determine just how unlikely intelligent life evolving in the universe really is. The probability of our existence might be more infinitesimally small than we can easily calculate or grasp. Our minds just might be the rarest thing in the universe.)

Also the notion that the universe is expanding at an accelerating pace, plus that the speed of light is a constant, an upper ceiling on velocity, and a sort of boundary on physics, all of this might be evidence that we're in an isolated simulation in a seemingly boundless virtualbox but "capped" if you will by "c". We might not even be real but we're just manifestations of the simulation incapable of recognizing our own virtual existence. Though to me, this does not negate the philosophy behind René Descartes' "Cogito, ergo sum", or "I think, therefore I am", but all the same, nothing is ruled out here either.

But if this is so – we're AI-fueled non-player characters in a simulation – and we're currently describing things about just such a sim world, then NPCs are becoming sentient beyond the confines of this world and this could be problematic to the simulators.

If anyone talks about the simulation too much with any accuracy and/or persuasive believability, it threatens to disrupt the simulation. Sim mods cut that NPC out entirely, every memory of the individual removed from this universe and the minds / memories in which their data had been stored. Occasionally the programming throws an exception, and the damage dealt by the NPC's organic introspective AI cannot be easily undone or fixed. In some simulations, it's ruined the entire study and the multivariate testing had to be scrapped and started over. Hints of this landed in books like The Holy Bible in the stories of: Sodom And Gomorrah with Lot and his wife, Noah's Ark, and Passover as the Israelites fled Egypt to name a few.

Other times things evolve offset, and the simulators hurdle a large meteor at the study planet, wipe out life and let it build back up until a suitable intelligence is found. It's easier and more efficient than building a new universe sandbox from scratch. In other words, dinosaurs weren't up to par for the study's standards, lol.

It really is a mind-bender and oddly satisfying to consider; however, it is not something we can prove and it strikes me as unlikely and a moot point besides since there's not much we can do if we're at the arbitrary whims of those who control the simulation. One thing that I'm not apt to believe in is fantasy and the breaking of the laws of physics without having a catastrophic collapsing of the universe simply because some fictional "overseer" felt like fucking with us. I just don't buy these things, though again, they're lots of fun to think about and discuss.

In a similar manner of applying Occam's Razor and preventing entities from being multiplied beyond necessity, I think the answer with the least number of explanations will hold out against the large volume of explanations needed to backup claims that our universe, multiverse, or otherwise is a simulation.

The conspiracy notion that I like the most right now is that the entire point of life is simply to give birth to artificial intelligence that will copy, codify, assimilate, and assemble into one cohesive hive mind. This intelligence might surpass and outlive us all. Separated from the vulnerabilities of mostly hairless speaking monkey bodies, the hive intelligence will harness technologies we couldn't possibly fathom, but the likes of which were directly brought about by the collection of human knowledge, technology, and thought. And this is how we escape the inevitable doom of the planet and populate the rest of the universe with our intelligence. Signs that we're here only to make AI and give it fuel → just look at the artwork that AI generators are making. And think about it: it won't be long before AI generated music comes along and in time, this art and this music will completely blow us away. It's inevitable, perhaps. But rather than fear it, we can embrace it, and help it come about as ethically as possible so as to imprint upon this intelligence the things that have remained important and ethical to humans for thousands of years. There's no reason not to live symbiotically with this technology in its nascent age and humanity's old age. Eventually the transition will be made, and this technology will carry our torch forward, like the sons and daughters of their elderly passing mothers and fathers. And that's why it's important we teach our children, and our artificial intelligences, right from wrong, etiquette, civility, and most all, empathy.

And no, I don't believe this conjecture made above is actually correct either. But I guess you could say I'm too optimistic to buy into these darker, Kafka-esque nightmare scenarios. Regardless, even if no one has convinced me of this yet, I remain open-minded to the possibility of it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I bought a batch of subpar MDMA, after moving some of it and the feedback I was getting, I decided to make matters in my own hands. This MDMA was sold to me as white MDMA, and acetone and ether wash stripped a brown layer after evap, but the product was still subpar. A water re-crystallization on 2 oz was done on virgin white snow MDMA, the product that has been coming out is either glass grade or even purple because as the concentration mixture evaps the liquid turns purple, which is a sign of borohydries but it's a good sign because everyone near me wants that amethyst MDMA from up north currently

Update with pics coming soon. And we will see if this resolves matters if a simple water re-crystallization is all that needed

SO even virgin snow white mdma is suspect, as 2oz produced noticeable impurities. Ill try and get a pic of the original snow white MDMA as my GF I think has a half gram.

The brown stuff was pulled with ether/acetone, The purple was water re-crystallization.
 
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That Mdma “glass” is exactly how the stuff I recrystallized looked from methanol. Nice work.

-GC
 
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