Stimulants Dirty stimulant high

[Kizaru]

Hi ,

Why do stimulants always feel so bad for me ?
Amphetamine and or prescribed dexamphetamine always feel cold and dirty .
I like combining stims with ghb because of the bad side effects but still i always have so many rushes of dysphoria . The energy stims give always feel unhealthy even if i only do it ones in blue moon . I always get extreme existential Dread , feelings of intens guilt followed by aggression/depression/anxiety . And this is not even only in the comedown . I can't stand the perception of time while on stims , and i don't know it never feels satisfied. The combination can still be highly euphoric other wise i would not do it and the libido (porn and shit) is mainly the sole reason i do it . But the last time it just fucked me up so extreme badly that i am rlly starting to hate stims . Everything is compulsion while on stims and there is only a couple of things i enjoy doing while tweaking . How do other experience this ? Also if you tweak to much Jezus i become extremely useless , i can practically stare at a wall and 15 hours pass by i feel emotionally vulnerable on stims or complete robotic and empty as shit .

 

[Atomic_Decay]

Different types of drug affect different people in different ways. That’s probably why we have so many to choose from.

You are certainly not the only person to lrecreational use of amphetamines unpleasant. Even some people prescribed them legitimately for ADHD as adults find them intolerable at therapeutic levels. Others enjoy methamphetamine in extravagant doses but can’t stand dexamphetamine and vice versa.

Why bother with stimulants at all? They make you feel terrible, engage in regrettable behaviour, and carry all kinds of risks

Personally I enjoy some stimulants recreationally and have benefitted from others therapeutically. But I can’t stand opiates (except after surgery for a week) and weed both scares and revolts me due to it’s side effects as I experience them.

I don’t think there any solution that will change the way you experience amphetamines. Although you might want think about the dosage you’ve been using. Some of the side effects you describe are at least partially dose dependent (and therefore likely variable in relation to tolerance as well).

Please be careful with mixing stimulants and GHB (or any drug with depressant effects). When you dose amphetamines before GHB you artificially and only temporarily increase how much GHB you can take without losing consciousness and potentially vomiting (dangerous while unconscious), and experiencing potentially life threatening cardio-respiratory difficulties.

If you continue re-dosing GHB as your amphetamine levels fall (and especially if you are drinking alcohol as well) then you risk potentially OD ‘ing unexpectedly. Methamphetamine and amphetamine sulfate have moderately different duration of effect. With meth keeping you stimulated longer and therefore at less risk of depressant type drugs overtaking it on its way out.

Also there are claims on legitimate medical information websites (eg webmd) that the interaction of GHB and amphetamines has inherently dangerous side effects by their opposing impacts on the nervous system. But I don’t know how risky the combination is or whether it’s a hypothetical risk.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

It feels like
a) much of dopamine, acetylcholine and stress hormones regulate attention and appreciation to way which puts emphasis on things that don't really make happy necessarily
b) when levels of dopamine are high, stimulus is not enough to invoke same kind of lively, spontane emotion-pleasure-reaction as it would without stimulant.

Nothing scientific here tho

 

[Kizaru]

It feels like
a) much of dopamine, acetylcholine and stress hormones regulate attention and appreciation to way which puts emphasis on things that don't really make happy necessarily
b) when levels of dopamine are high, stimulus is not enough to invoke same kind of lively, spontane emotion-pleasure-reaction as it would without stimulant.

Nothing scientific here tho

Thanks for your reply !

 

[Atomic_Decay]

Uh no its actually not dangerous ,

I think it might be more correct to say that the health risks from the interactions and contrary effects on the nervous system of GHB and meth remain unclear, under-researched, and little understood amongst users and in the harm reduction community.

Because as this paper demonstrates through its citations of other research there are known and credibly theorised potential harms - particularly cardio-toxicities and seizures.

Francis P. Kohrs , Christopher Mann & Ryan Greenberg (2004) The Use of Amphetamine in Gamma-Hydroxybutyrate Overdose: A Case Report, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, 36:3, 401-402,

 

[Kizaru]

I think it might be more correct to say that the health risks from the interactions and contrary effects on the nervous system of GHB and meth remain unclear, under-researched, and little understood amongst users and in the harm reduction community.

Because as this paper demonstrates through its citations of other research there are known and credibly theorised potential harms - particularly cardio-toxicities and seizures.

Francis P. Kohrs , Christopher Mann & Ryan Greenberg (2004) The Use of Amphetamine in Gamma-Hydroxybutyrate Overdose: A Case Report, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, 36:3, 401-402,

Ah i see Thanks for the source . I bet its not healthy doing much . People on high doses of meth and g make rlly weird movements and shit . I also did notice this myself to be honest . And if you look at the effects of both while one substance releases dopamine and the other reduces its activity in higher doses might seem kinda countering but it is a highly appreciated combo and most would agree .

 

[Jabberwocky]

In some sense, all stimulant highs feel "dirty" to me. Some more than others. Good meth always feels amazing to me... for the first few hours, then it starts feeling very dirty and don't even get me started about the comedown.

"Dirty" is also quite subjective.

 

[Atomic_Decay]

Ah i see Thanks for the source . I bet its not healthy doing much . People on high doses of meth and g make rlly weird movements and shit . I also did notice this myself to be honest . And if you look at the effects of both while one substance releases dopamine and the other reduces its activity in higher doses might seem kinda countering but it is a highly appreciated combo and most would agree .

Yep. I’ve tried the meth/GHB combination myself a few times. The first time was involuntary when my drink was spiked with GHB. I still lost consciousness for more than 2 hours and I suspect it was only the meth that saved me. The same week a man my age died in very similar circumstances in the same location from a seizure and heart failure - but he also had a lot of alcohol in him and I don’t drink.


I tried a few times again voluntarily for sexual purposes but it didn’t add anything for me when compared to meth. -+ psychedelics.

Sorry. I didn’t mean to drag your thread away from your question about stimulants.

 

[Atomic_Decay]

any time i ever came up on speed i felt awful because i was expecting MDMA. When your expecting the ultimate best night ever and it doesnt happen the wave of disappointment is enough to just wipe out whatever other high you might be having. Whenever i got speed in the past it was under false pretenses, and usually provided by shady looking characters when my usual contact was out of town or something. Il always recall that awful predicament your put in when your wondering if its just low dose MDMA so you take more even tho you know you shouldnt - then all you get is a slightly better weird out of your head type buzz. It does feel dirty, but the aftermath is always even worse. Ever get that feeling of sand between your muscles ? then the insane hangover where you feel near psychotic and cant think straight, then the worst is the way it messes with your heart rhythm and blood circulation. It just feels downright dangerous imo which i why i never knowingly bought it - but prob had it loads of times in shit pills.

There is a wealth of very informative EU data on most major drugs. The EMCDDA aggregates data from every county and produces annual reports and ongoing time series analysis. Here’s the ;latest on amphetamine.

Amphetamine price and purity in the European Union (updated June 2021) | www.emcdda.europa.eu

www.emcdda.europa.eu

It’s a very sad story on amphetamine I must say. It appears that if your amphetamine is any more than 50 % pure it’s a very lucky day. And you’ll be very unlikely to ever get anything much more than 60 % pure.

I wonder if a lot of the negative effects of ‘speed’ that people report are at least partly connected to whatever is in the 50 % percent of your ‘speed’ that isn’t amphetamine?

 

[plumbus-nine]

Maybe you're just very sensitive to stims and use too much? When I was first prescribed methylphenidate even one 18mg Concerta capsule (the lowest dosage available) was too much but when going lower like just 5mg then I got the beneficial effects. With tolerance developing you will eventually need to dose higher but sometimes less is more.

 

[Kizaru]

64y

Yep. I’ve tried the meth/GHB combination myself a few times. The first time was involuntary when my drink was spiked with GHB. I still lost consciousness for more than 2 hours and I suspect it was only the meth that saved me. The same week a man my age died in very similar circumstances in the same location from a seizure and heart failure - but he also had a lot of alcohol in him and I don’t drink.


I tried a few times again voluntarily for sexual purposes but it didn’t add anything for me when compared to meth. -+ psychedelics.

Sorry. I didn’t mean to drag your thread away from your question about stimulants.

I always wondered how much better meth is compared to normal amphetamine or prescribed dex . Is it that much better because some guy on youtube named CG kid explains he could not tell the difference between adderal and or meth . I can't ever seen to find a good answer to this , i know meth can be smoked which is not possible with regulair amps . Is meth like calmer while on it ?

 

[Kizaru]

There is a wealth of very informative EU data on most major drugs. The EMCDDA aggregates data from every county and produces annual reports and ongoing time series analysis. Here’s the ;latest on amphetamine.

Amphetamine price and purity in the European Union (updated June 2021) | www.emcdda.europa.eu

www.emcdda.europa.eu

It’s a very sad story on amphetamine I must say. It appears that if your amphetamine is any more than 50 % pure it’s a very lucky day. And you’ll be very unlikely to ever get anything much more than 60 % pure.

I wonder if a lot of the negative effects of ‘speed’ that people report are at least partly connected to whatever is in the 50 % percent of your ‘speed’ that isn’t amphetamine?

No i always have good quality paste , but i have the same with dexamphetamine pharmaceutical, i mean dex is actually the cleanest speed you can get people don't seem to realise . Yes the paste is much dirty but its also because you take alot more compared to dex very fast ..

 

[Kizaru]

any time i ever came up on speed i felt awful because i was expecting MDMA. When your expecting the ultimate best night ever and it doesnt happen the wave of disappointment is enough to just wipe out whatever other high you might be having. Whenever i got speed in the past it was under false pretenses, and usually provided by shady looking characters when my usual contact was out of town or something. Il always recall that awful predicament your put in when your wondering if its just low dose MDMA so you take more even tho you know you shouldnt - then all you get is a slightly better weird out of your head type buzz. It does feel dirty, but the aftermath is always even worse. Ever get that feeling of sand between your muscles ? then the insane hangover where you feel near psychotic and cant think straight, then the worst is the way it messes with your heart rhythm and blood circulation. It just feels downright dangerous imo which i why i never knowingly bought it - but prob had it loads of times in shit pills.

In Holland there is no such thing as hoping its mdma mdma is best quality here and extremely easy to obtain .

 

[plumbus-nine]

I always wondered how much better meth is compared to normal amphetamine or prescribed dex . Is it that much better because some guy on youtube named CG kid explains he could not tell the difference between adderal and or meth . I can't ever seen to find a good answer to this , i know meth can be smoked which is not possible with regulair amps . Is meth like calmer while on it ?

Meth is serotonergic on top of the norepinephrine and dopamine releasing activity while regular amphetamine is not. Guess this makes the difference. I too liked meth a lot more than dexamph.

 

[Kizaru]

Meth is serotonergic on top of the norepinephrine and dopamine releasing activity while regular amphetamine is not. Guess this makes the difference. I too liked meth a lot more than dexamph.

I understand the impact of it , serontonin reduces compulsive feelings and reduces anxiety . So this does make meth alot more addictive because meth will feel calmer and clean while on it probally . Is this the reason why people can go days on meth but redosing something like adderal or paste after 24/48 hours hell no ..

 

[Kizaru]

Meth is serotonergic on top of the norepinephrine and dopamine releasing activity while regular amphetamine is not. Guess this makes the difference. I too liked meth a lot more than dexamph.

But is there much difference when snorting compared to dex or regulair amps ? Or is meth only much better when injected or smoked ?

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I guess that depends what you like, some like oral, some smoked and so on.
It seems to vary so much that I'd suspect reason is some metabolite(s) involved which are formed more or less depending on the route.

 

[plumbus-nine]

But is there much difference when snorting compared to dex or regulair amps ? Or is meth only much better when injected or smoked ?

Snorted as well, was the only route I've used for amphetamines besides oral for capsules.

 

[OpiateKiller]

Agreed that different drugs effect different people.

I absolutely love adderall but hate Ritalin and meth. Meth feels so dirty to me I can’t even fathom how people throw their life away over such garbage

 

[Atomic_Decay]

64y

I always wondered how much better meth is compared to normal amphetamine or prescribed dex . Is it that much better because some guy on youtube named CG kid explains he could not tell the difference between adderal and or meth . I can't ever seen to find a good answer to this , i know meth can be smoked which is not possible with regulair amps . Is meth like calmer while on it ?

Sorry @Kizaru - I missed that you’d asked me a direct question here otherwise I would have responded . I think @negrogesic gives better informed and more balanced answers to this question than I do and will ask him to respond. He has extensive personal experience of numerous stimulants both recreationally and therapeutically and greater knowledge than me about their chemistry and interaction with neurochemistry. And unlike me, he has avoided uncontrolled periods of meth use/abuse while taking it daily.