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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

Contacted the University, and if I catch up on tech skills I can squeeze out a degree in IT process management with the pile of psychology I've studied despite dropped during the replication crisis. Not sure why anyone would ever want to hire me for anything, but a degree is a degree I suppose. Now just some phone calls, putering, then money, yes?

(A degree in herding IT nerds, kinda like what I've been trying to do here every once in a while? :p)

I absolutely hate bloody phone calls though, so I've stashed up just to get through those so that's a good start towards functionality isn't it.. :whistle:


Edit: scratch that, corona has made the world sensible in a way I see, we all hate phone calls now :D
 
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Had an amazing trip on 30mg of 2cb last night.
Hopped on Discord video call towards the end of the peak and was rolling hard dancing to rave music and talking to everyone on there.

One of the best 2cb experiences I’ve ever had, maybe THE best.
 
Me too, god it bugs me the way my coworkers write code. The guy who they considered the "guru", who they went to any time something unusual or difficult came up, was the sloppiest and most incomprehensible coder I have ever encountered. He named all his variables stuff like kurt1, kurt2, ..., kurt99 (his name was, can you guess it.... Kurt! :sick:), or like x, xx, xxx, etc. And absolutely no indentation, ever. Fortunately he retired and I took over his role and have tried to hammer proper coding practice into them, with only small successes.
:ROFLMAO: unbelievable
It definitely is. But my brother in law recently decided he was sick of his lawyer career, he hated it. He took an online coding boot camp and immediately got a job out of there working from home, making only a little bit less than me. Doing like 1/20 of the work I'm doing, too.
An online coding boot camp and making 100k while working from home? Packing my bags....
If I wanna "retire" before 70 I can't play it safe
 
Yes, I'm making more than 65, but under 100k. At the moment anyway, my expectation is that will be fixed soon when I have my yearly review.

There are people who work much harder than I do who are getting paid WAY less than me, too. Granted, not in the field I'm in, but just saying.
 
Yes, I'm making more than 65, but under 100k.
Don't let them underpay you. Fuck that yearly review shit. Get what you're worth, my guy, please. Not doing so devalues the work.

At the moment anyway, my expectation is that will be fixed soon when I have my yearly review.
Is this expectation wise? Does your employer know? Are you prepared to make moves should this not come to fruition?

There are people who work much harder than I do who are getting paid WAY less than me, too. Granted, not in the field I'm in, but just saying.
You're forgetting to factor in skill, expertise, efficiency, and other factors that go into determining pay-by-merit. It's nice to be grateful for what you have, but are you selling yourself short?

It's empowering to update your résumé, apply to a few job ads on the market, and perhaps even have some tentative offers. Helps assess one's worth in the immediate area's market and gives one confidence before negotiating for a higher salary. Just saying. 🤘
 
You're forgetting to factor in skill, expertise, efficiency, and other factors that go into determining pay-by-merit. It's nice to be grateful for what you have, but are you selling yourself short?
Another coder? I get it though with Xorkoth though. I started a a small start up and did not get paid as I should but learned so much and did fatten my resume. Now this start up is world wide and nothing like the beginning days. It was family like in the beginning. My boss bough me a car after I set up American Express and I loved the people I worked with. Now it is world wide, bought by a financial institution that hacked and dehumanized it to make their charts look good as upper management hired all their friends and turned it into a place I can not wait to get out of. I would take less pay for that family like atmosphere. As long as I keep learning and solving puzzles. But it took a while to make it to triple digits and even then it is all relative. I still have no money. But I work remote and am still liked by upper management and have projects that I can get lost in so I try and ignore the soullessness while trying to bring some soul to it by speaking from the heart. That in a way is the real work.

Kurt1, Kurt2, Kurt3, good riddance code guru, I would kill that guy. and yes there is a million jobs for data people these days. I get solicited all the time, could probably make a move and get a lot more pay, but what I learned from the people that left is their new jobs are just as chaotic and they took themselves with them.

Hope everyone is well. Been worried all week as my wife has a fairly serious heart issue and been at the hospital. She almost died. So we are dealing with moratlity and wills. Also been trying to get better from this bad sciatic I have now. Pain. But the stress of life does not help.

Never knew life could get so hard. It was not in the brochure when I signed up I guess.
 
Don't let them underpay you. Fuck that yearly review shit. Get what you're worth, my guy, please. Not doing so devalues the work.


Is this expectation wise? Does your employer know? Are you prepared to make moves should this not come to fruition?


You're forgetting to factor in skill, expertise, efficiency, and other factors that go into determining pay-by-merit. It's nice to be grateful for what you have, but are you selling yourself short?

It's empowering to update your résumé, apply to a few job ads on the market, and perhaps even have some tentative offers. Helps assess one's worth in the immediate area's market and gives one confidence before negotiating for a higher salary. Just saying. 🤘

I appreciate the advice. My yearly review is a couple of weeks away and is the time when we sit down to talk about what we want of each other so that's why I'm waiting for it. I waited before because before I started this project, I have no experience or knowledge in full stack programming at all, I met with the president of the company to propose my ideas, and he said he loved the ideas, and promoted me to developer, and sad let's see what you can do. So I taught myself the necessary skills and until I presented it to him, for all he knew, I was just talking a big game. Now that he knows, I have bargaining power. If my yearly review was months away, I might not wait, but it's a couple of weeks away.

I am prepared to make moves if they decline to pay me more. I just really, really doubt they will, especially if I actually put in my 2 weeks after being declined. Like I said, they'd be pretty solidly fucked, for a while, if I left. I also really don't want to, and it would be a hard decision to make even if I had to, because like I said, I love where I work, the intangible benefits are huge, and also the company is rapidly growing. And for their part, the rapid growth will be unsustainable without my work. Furthermore, I haven't completed my platform yet, so it's not like they can just say "well we got what we wanted out of him, he can walk, that's fine". Another reason I am confident they will agree to it. I say it is my expectation because I am not being delusional when I say they need me and that they'd be screwed without me. I am the only person in the company who has the ability to do the level of coding that I do, or even close. I work for a market research company, we have clients come to us with what they want to find out about XX market, or about some product or theirs, or about how to determine which from among various potential new products will perform the best in the market, etc. We are known in the industry for be able to provide anything they ask for, of any level of complexity. So we have a lot of clients who want us to do very complicated things, and all of those things need to be able to be accomplished in a timely manner. My job for 15 years here was programming the online surveys that gather the data, then we have marketing sciences people who do the analysis and interpretation of that data. We have a team of survey programmers who I used to have the same title as, until recently, but for many years I have been the guy who figures out how to actually make things happen in the surveys that haven't been done before. All the other "programmers" are more copy and paste sort of people, with little understanding of why the things they are copying and pasting work, let alone how to come up with a way to do something new. The field is full of people like that, the "real" coders tend to go into industries that make better use of their skills.

For example, we have a new client who came to us because they heard we can create simulated menu ordering exercises with a rough simulation of their online menu, with a point and click interface that simulates what it's like to order a meal at their online menu. Nobody in the company has even the slightest inkling how to make that happen except me. The only other properly trained coder in the company only knows back end stuff and is absolutely wretched at front end, and understands nothing about how our survey platform works, and he literally only does database stuff (he's better than I am at that), and Perl (which to him is hand down the best programming language to do any and all tasks in and always will be), and limited javascript/jquery and CSS. Examples like this happen literally every week and without me they would have to turn down a large percentage of the work coming in, or outsource it every time. Plus a bunch of the tools and apps that are used widely throughout the company are ones I developed over the years, and again, no one else has the understanding to be able to do the upkeep and troubleshooting and periodic updates on those except me.

If the company weren't specifically looking to finally be moving into modern times, I would just want to go somewhere else anyway. But recently since we became privately owned again, leadership has been looking to build out our internal development team again. My work the past year or so has been the beginning of that. The president and the executive vice president keep leaning on the CEO to make him realize I need a team, and they think they're getting close. My work now is application development which finally is something that suits my skills and is something I really enjoy. And I have been directly told that I am in the inner circle now and that they have a lot of plans for me and that there is a lot of upward mobility left for me here. So it seems silly to throw that away now, even though yes, I should already be making more money than I do now. But I have good reasons for thinking that if I apply some pressure and state what I need now, I will get it, and also that it will pay off for me to stay here.

I probably spent too much time on this reply but I feel like you're insinuating that I'm being naive or something, but I don't believe I am, I've thought about this a lot and I know my value to this company, and so do they. I just haven't had the opportunity to show my full skills until recently. I did almost leave a few times because there was an 8 year period where the multinational corporation that owned us was bleeding us dry and prohibiting raises and bonuses and also prohibiting us from building our own development team, instead they required that any development resources be outsourced to another company they owned. Fortunately, when they tried to dissolve us, our CEO said fuck you, and bought the company himself, and since then was when I got promoted, and a raise, and now we're growing by leaps and bounds. Through that whole period, yeah I could have jumped companies a few times and I could have been making way more than I am by now, but what can I say, I believed in this company and wanted to work here. Money isn't everything. Quality of life trumps money for me. That said, now that they actually have the ability to make decisions about money again, I do expect them to reward me for what I'm bringing to the table, since I am bringing a lot more to the table than I was.
 
I also got on suboxone for kratom. Reason being, kratom is virtually impossible for me to taper, and the restless limbs are the worst of any opioid I've been addicted to, when on a high dose. Considering that the restlessness is the worst withdrawal symptom for me by far (depression and anxiety and the flu I can handle, the inability to sit still or sleep for weeks on end is its own special kind of hell), and considering it gets worse every time and by now it's like the 20th time I've tried to come off of it, and suboxone seemed like the only solution.

I actually find suboxone pretty easy to get down to 2mg... 2mg is the receptor saturation level. Below 2mg is hard, though. I very recently came down to 0.5mg, but I reduced much too fast, trying to get down to zero before I ran out, which involved dropping from 2mg with only 12mg left. After 3 days of 0.5mg, and then one day of nothing, I was about to order poppy pods or O-DSMT, and did buy kratom. So I got a suboxone prescription. Now I'm back at about 6mg, and going to do a long, slow taper, dropping by 10% per week, and try to get down to 0.05mg before I jump off, and pick a time when I don't have an extremely demanding work/band schedule. I think I could have done it, even so, but I am in way too intense a spot with both of my careers, and I can't afford to be nonfunctional for 2+ weeks. It feels like a step backwards, but I also feel very functional right now, and I am starting to get into a workout routine... when I am working out daily, dropping off opiates is much more successful. Plus I feel 10 times better in every way I can think of.



A bit harsh don't you think? I think the reason people might feel upset about patents for psychedelics is that we feel that psychedelics should be for everyone, not for profit. And patents on drugs are part of why pharmaceuticals are so insanely expensive... patents lead to monopolies, which lead to out of control prices.
So if I tell my doctor I'm addicted to Kratom he'll give me suboxone?
 
My boss and I did the official demo/reveal on the web platform I've been building for the past year today, with the higher ups and the account managers who will be using it/selling the product. It went very well, people seem excited and nothing broke while we were doing the demo. There's still a lot of work to be done, but this was a big milestone and I'm excited. :) It also means that the time draws near when I can sit down with them and say "okay, now you've seen that what I said I could do, I can do... now give me what I deserve to be paid". Which is 6 figures. People are making 150k for the type of stuff I'm doing. Granted, I taught myself the necessary skills along the way. But we have a lot of plans for expanding this for use throughout the whole organization, which is going to be a lot of work for me.

I was supposed to have help, we were supposed to hire people on so I could lead a team, I even interviewed people, but the CEO decided maybe we didn't want to spend money building out a development team after all. Okay, cool, so pay me double what I'm making, now you're saving money and I'm happy. To be honest I'm kinda leary of other people coding parts of it, I like my code pretty and other people write ugly code :geek:
Sounds like you are in a good position to negotiate. It also sounds like you might want to put out some feelers to find a new job. When you've come as far as you have, it's almost always easier to springboard a couple of times into better positions through the hiring process than to get the same compensation in house.
 
So if I tell my doctor I'm addicted to Kratom he'll give me suboxone?

I don't know, maybe. A friend of mine did that, for me, I went through an online doctor service that specializes in suboxone. I just told them I relapsed on opiates without being specific. A drug test was only required after a month to prove I was taking the suboxone.

I would think long and hard about going to suboxone from kratom. For most people it's way harder to get off of. For me, I have been addicted to kratom for so many years of my life (in different periods of time, but a total of about 9 years since 2003) and other opiates too, that kratom withdrawals are unbearable because of the restlessness, and being on kratom is awful because I feel constantly on the edge of withdrawal, I am irritable, restless, and spend tons of money and am always going up and down and always going in and out of stronger opiates just to feel good for a while, and on suboxone I just feel normal and don't think about doing other opiates. So FOR ME, it was a better option. But I am going to have a long road to getting off of suboxone.

Most people regret getting on suboxone from kratom.
 
Another coder? I get it though with Xorkoth though. I started a a small start up and did not get paid as I should but learned so much and did fatten my resume. Now this start up is world wide and nothing like the beginning days. It was family like in the beginning. My boss bough me a car after I set up American Express and I loved the people I worked with.
Exactly – you were well compensated; that's my point.

Now it is world wide, bought by a financial institution that hacked and dehumanized it to make their charts look good as upper management hired all their friends and turned it into a place I can not wait to get out of. I would take less pay for that family like atmosphere. As long as I keep learning and solving puzzles. But it took a while to make it to triple digits and even then it is all relative.
  • Let's not forget about U.S. inflation; or i.e.: $100K isn't worth as much as it once was.
  • Just checking https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ I discovered $100K in 2019 is worth ☞ $86.3K in 2022. See what I mean?
  • Christ, one hundred grand in 2020 comes out to ☞ $87,354.70 in 2022.
  • Even from 2021 to 2022 that value dips to ☞ $91,458.64.

But I work remote and am still liked by upper management
Being liked and being respected—as evinced by being properly compensated at or above market value—are two different things.

could probably make a move and get a lot more pay, but what I learned from the people that left is their new jobs are just as chaotic and they took themselves with them.
I suspect that's not the first time you've opined this, and by now it's become a reflex whenever discussing the prospect of seeking a new employer as a career advancement move. I think there's a critical flaw in the assumption that—because you've witnessed others leave for more stressful roles—the same fate would only be true for you as well. As if this were the only possible outcome. Remember: when you go on an interview, you should be interviewing and investigating the company as much or more as they are interviewing you.

Hope everyone is well. Been worried all week as my wife has a fairly serious heart issue and been at the hospital. She almost died. So we are dealing with moratlity and wills.
Don't forget about Final Advanced Directives – you should both have them filled out. Also consider a power of attorney for medical matters.

Also been trying to get better from this bad sciatic I have now. Pain. But the stress of life does not help.
Sorry, man. That sucks. Try yoga, meditation, and massage. And dissos ;)

I am the only person in the company who has the ability to do the level of coding that I do, or even close
I don't know all the particulars the way you do, but this is generally an unsafe assumption to make. They can always hire someone new.
 
So if I tell my doctor I'm addicted to Kratom he'll give me suboxone?
Generally, physicians would rather keep people away from any opioid drugs, including suboxone unless needed. So they will attempt to determine how bad your dependence is on Kratom. If it's deemed sufficient to be worthy of a suboxone script, then that's exactly what they'll prescribe. So it really depends on the doctor and what signs you show of being drug dependent.
 
Fuck money.
I work in research, in a third word country, and I earn just enough to live comfortably by my own standards. I could be working in the industry, I could be working in a hospital, or even in agriculture with my degree, and I would be making a lot more than I do. But I like where I am, and my job doesnt even feel like a job. I get paid for learning stuff, fooling around in the lab, colaborating with other scientists. I wouldn't change that for more money. I dont even have to deal with most of the dark side of academia since I work in a small non-profit.

If you like where you are, don't feel pressured to move somewhere else just because you are supposed to be making more money, unless you or others who depend on you are facing serious financial stress. Wages are just a normative measure of success. There are other retributions to your job. Like interacting with like minded people, freedom and flexibility, impacting a small community, personal growth, or maybe it just makes the most sense doing what you are doing.

Fuck money. I'll say it again, fuck money, and fuck the cult that modern society has built around it. We can do better and hope for better things.

I know we NEED money to not starve and live a normal life, but there comes a point where you dont need to be constantly looking for more, and you deffinitely dont need to equate your net worth with your worth as a person and the respect you earn from others.
 
I don't care about money, I do care about having to spend a very large part of my day in a place that is just fine, but ideally, I'd like to be somewhere else.
8 hours, 1 hour break, not including time spent/preparing/driving/thinking about work + chores, and other responsibilities. That's a lot of time, which is the real currency.

I know that work doesn't have to be a waste of time, and there's probably value in it that can't be gained from not working, but I'm hazarding a guess that for the majority it essentially is, so there's no shame in wanting to be compensated well for it imo.
 
no shame in wanting to be compensated well for
Absolutely. But there is also no shame in staying somewhere you like even if changing jobs could potentially make you earn more. No shame at all in not making money the foremost measure of everything.

I just guess money has already enough advocates, so I felt promoted to comment the unpopular take.
 
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