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@Shady's Fox Still haven't seen the new one, mate. Waiting to watch when the hype of it has subsided, so I can view it with my own bias! 😉😁

...like you, I also never read the book(did watch lynch version - loved much visually, but kitch can lack depth, if not communicated right; my memory of original is slightly weak, att even - may rewatch that first, again) . May pick it up book even, in lieu of that.



I never liked Hans approach but when I saw and heard Dune by Denis Vilenue, I knew this is the future because we're in future. What makes a film be either a live screen from a video game/CGi'd is the music in the end. That's why Silent Hill has this cult, has it's own legacy thanks to Akira Yamaoka but reading between the lines I knew Hans was at work without any far cry. The film more or less changed the barometer of "mainstream" pieces and while the Hollywood never ending river without sea is still there, best tattoo is the PG13 rated instead of R.

This video randomly popped by the alghorithm and I thought to give it a shot, nothing at all to take home but had some interesting remarks made by Hans.
 
Episode 4-6 is Star Wars as far as I'm concerned. The prequel trilogy had some good moments, but they were counterbalanced by a lot of misfires.

With Obi Wan and Boba Fett, the good moments are so far and few between.

They need to stop strangling the ideas in the original films and come up with something new.

It's not easy to create iconic characters like Han Solo and Darth Vader. If it was easy, everybody would do it all the time.

That kind of magic comes along once in a blue moon. George Lucas had it when he made the original films but he'd pretty much lost it by the time he made the prequels.

One of the big problems with Phantom Menace was Anakin being a little kid.

I don't want to see Don Corleone as an infant.

This franchise is claustrophobic which is incredible considering the size of the universe. There are countless planets, yet we keep seeing the same planets and the same species.

I have had enough of Tatooine. I've had enough of Leia. I've had enough of Darth Vader. I don't want to see another Wookie or another Hutt. Show me something new.

There are some good parts, mainly in the last two episodes. I liked seeing pre-Vader Anakin again and they redeemed Reeva somewhat by adding back story. The final fight was decent... but the whole thing just ended up feeling unnecessary. Everything since the original trilogy has been a let down.

The original trilogy was a bit over 6 hours.
The prequel trilogy was nearly 7 hours.
The sequel trilogy = 7.5 hours.

They keep getting worse and longer.

Now (with the TV shows) it's become unbearable.

The Mandalorian is almost 11.5 hours already, with another season on the way. Add to that the length of Boba Fett & Obi Wan. It's too much. Plus the Han Solo prequel and Rogue One.

Now we're getting a Rogue One spin-off and an Ashoka TV show... and a Lando show. Plus there's A Droid Story which is yet another show, this time about R2D2 and C3PO.

Oh, and a bunch more movies of course.

They should focus on quality over quantity.

Disney is going to kill this franchise.

It needs to die, honestly.

I look forward to a time without Star Wars or Marvel. They aren't infinite wells of entertainment. It's all marketing. That is all they care about.

Obi Wan is sloppy. Disney is focusing too much on the selling factor of these iconic characters and too little on creating an engrossing film. The quality control needs to be higher. I don't have the time to list the problems I have with Obi Wan.

I'm sure others have said this, but why doesn't Leia remember her dramatic experiences with Obi Wan when she meets him in the original trilogy?

Leia comforts Luke when Kenobi dies. She doesn't act like somebody who has an emotional connection to him, which is weird. She says (in her message) something like "You fought with my father in the clone wars" and that she's "passing on her father's message". I don't know. It doesn't fit together for me.

Also, how does Obi Wan lose his powers again?

They have him start off jaded, then become a Jedi again... now he has to turn into Alec Guinness.

In the fight between Obi Wan and Vader, they both are much more powerful in the prequel trilogy than they are in the OT - which is what? - ten years later? What happens to both of them? Is it old age?

The force was much better when it had limits. In the original trilogy, the powers weren't crazy. Then, you have Anakin diving into traffic. Then Luke and Leia and Kylo Ren, etc all have much more advanced powers than any Jedi in the original films. People keep coming back to life. Darth Maul. The Emperor. Yet, others suffer relatively minor wounds - by comparison - and everyone gasps because we know they're dead. People can project themselves across the galaxy. You can blow up the death star by flying into it at light speed and nobody thought of it for some reason.

There were three great films in the late 70s / early 80s.

Everything else is nostalgia.

The original films weren't even that great. I mean: I don't want to see endless sequels to ANYTHING. The Skywalker story doesn't deserve a million spin-offs. We don't need a Chewbacca film or a Jabba mini-series. Let it die along with The Simpsons and all the superheroes. How many Batman films do we need?

People are weirdly obssessed with stuff that has very little substance. I don't think we actually like these things. We're pretending because we're zombies. You have to be interested in something. Marvel is filler. People obsess about it because they're so out of touch with what they actually want that it doesn't matter. They know they are not going to miraculously stumble upon exactly what they truly desire, while completely unaware of what it is. But something needs to go in the box.

I don't expect to enjoy The Simpsons any more, so why do I still watch it?

Hollywood has the world hypnotized.

I'm addicted to watching trash that I don't like.

You can't trust franchises. Sequels and spin-offs rarely work and when they do they are almost never better than the original.

You can't trust actors, either. Everybody has sold their soul to big corporations. Either that or they've been cancelled.

You can't trust critics or box office.

Aquaman broke a million dollars.

Every Marvel movie gets at least 4 stars.

Streaming services are full of mediocre cash grabs.

Trying to find quality stuff has become an exhausting chore.

There is too much crap.

There are numerous moments in Obi Wan Kenobi that rely on us not having seen the original films.

We know what happens to everyone. Owen. His wife. Luke. Leia. Obi Wan. Vader. The Emporer. We know how all of them die. Reeva is the only character whose fate we don't know and I couldn't give a rat's ass about that.

The character made sense in the end, but the acting let it down. Her performance would be more at home in an episode of Orange is the New Black. She doesn't fit into Star Wars. I don't like any of the inquisitors. I didn't like Darth Maul, either. They're all generic and one dimensional. Reeva actually had serious potential as a character, but the actress just isn't convincing in the role... which is a failure of cast and crew.

That episode of Bubba Fett that Robert Rodriguez directed - the one with the brightly coloured flying motorbikes - was abysmal. I stopped watching Fett after that. I didn't like one minute of the show. It is (IMO) the worst Star Wars entry so far. I honestly prefer the Christmas Special and Battle for Endor / Caravan of Courage. Fett is a stupid character to base a show around, particularly after Mandalorian. Two tough guys - one after another - both with limited social skills and both who wear the same masks?

The prequels were full of boring characters. Now we have two consecutive shows about "silent" heroes?

Fuck this shit.
 
Episode 4-6 is Star Wars as far as I'm concerned. The prequel trilogy had some good moments, but they were counterbalanced by a lot of misfires.

With Obi Wan and Boba Fett, the good moments are so far and few between.

They need to stop strangling the ideas in the original films and come up with something new.

It's not easy to create iconic characters like Han Solo and Darth Vader. If it was easy, everybody would do it all the time.

That kind of magic comes along once in a blue moon. George Lucas had it when he made the original films but he'd pretty much lost it by the time he made the prequels.

One of the big problems with Phantom Menace was Anakin being a little kid.

I don't want to see Don Corleone as an infant.

This franchise is claustrophobic which is incredible considering the size of the universe. There are countless planets, yet we keep seeing the same planets and the same species.

I have had enough of Tatooine. I've had enough of Leia. I've had enough of Darth Vader. I don't want to see another Wookie or another Hutt. Show me something new.

There are some good parts, mainly in the last two episodes. I liked seeing pre-Vader Anakin again and they redeemed Reeva somewhat by adding back story. The final fight was decent... but the whole thing just ended up feeling unnecessary. Everything since the original trilogy has been a let down.

The original trilogy was a bit over 6 hours.
The prequel trilogy was nearly 7 hours.
The sequel trilogy = 7.5 hours.

They keep getting worse and longer.

Now (with the TV shows) it's become unbearable.

The Mandalorian is almost 11.5 hours already, with another season on the way. Add to that the length of Boba Fett & Obi Wan. It's too much. Plus the Han Solo prequel and Rogue One.

Now we're getting a Rogue One spin-off and an Ashoka TV show... and a Lando show. Plus there's A Droid Story which is yet another show, this time about R2D2 and C3PO.

Oh, and a bunch more movies of course.

They should focus on quality over quantity.

Disney is going to kill this franchise.

It needs to die, honestly.

I look forward to a time without Star Wars or Marvel. They aren't infinite wells of entertainment. It's all marketing. That is all they care about.

Obi Wan is sloppy. Disney is focusing too much on the selling factor of these iconic characters and too little on creating an engrossing film. The quality control needs to be higher. I don't have the time to list the problems I have with Obi Wan.

I'm sure others have said this, but why doesn't Leia remember her dramatic experiences with Obi Wan when she meets him in the original trilogy?

Leia comforts Luke when Kenobi dies. She doesn't act like somebody who has an emotional connection to him, which is weird. She says (in her message) something like "You fought with my father in the clone wars" and that she's "passing on her father's message". I don't know. It doesn't fit together for me.

Also, how does Obi Wan lose his powers again?

They have him start off jaded, then become a Jedi again... now he has to turn into Alec Guinness.

In the fight between Obi Wan and Vader, they both are much more powerful in the prequel trilogy than they are in the OT - which is what? - ten years later? What happens to both of them? Is it old age?

The force was much better when it had limits. In the original trilogy, the powers weren't crazy. Then, you have Anakin diving into traffic. Then Luke and Leia and Kylo Ren, etc all have much more advanced powers than any Jedi in the original films. People keep coming back to life. Darth Maul. The Emperor. Yet, others suffer relatively minor wounds - by comparison - and everyone gasps because we know they're dead. People can project themselves across the galaxy. You can blow up the death star by flying into it at light speed and nobody thought of it for some reason.

There were three great films in the late 70s / early 80s.

Everything else is nostalgia.

The original films weren't even that great. I mean: I don't want to see endless sequels to ANYTHING. The Skywalker story doesn't deserve a million spin-offs. We don't need a Chewbacca film or a Jabba mini-series. Let it die along with The Simpsons and all the superheroes. How many Batman films do we need?

People are weirdly obssessed with stuff that has very little substance. I don't think we actually like these things. We're pretending because we're zombies. You have to be interested in something. Marvel is filler. People obsess about it because they're so out of touch with what they actually want that it doesn't matter. They know they are not going to miraculously stumble upon exactly what they truly desire, while completely unaware of what it is. But something needs to go in the box.

I don't expect to enjoy The Simpsons any more, so why do I still watch it?

Hollywood has the world hypnotized.

I'm addicted to watching trash that I don't like.

You can't trust franchises. Sequels and spin-offs rarely work and when they do they are almost never better than the original.

You can't trust actors, either. Everybody has sold their soul to big corporations. Either that or they've been cancelled.

You can't trust critics or box office.

Aquaman broke a million dollars.

Every Marvel movie gets at least 4 stars.

Streaming services are full of mediocre cash grabs.

Trying to find quality stuff has become an exhausting chore.

There is too much crap.

There are numerous moments in Obi Wan Kenobi that rely on us not having seen the original films.

We know what happens to everyone. Owen. His wife. Luke. Leia. Obi Wan. Vader. The Emporer. We know how all of them die. Reeva is the only character whose fate we don't know and I couldn't give a rat's ass about that.

The character made sense in the end, but the acting let it down. Her performance would be more at home in an episode of Orange is the New Black. She doesn't fit into Star Wars. I don't like any of the inquisitors. I didn't like Darth Maul, either. They're all generic and one dimensional. Reeva actually had serious potential as a character, but the actress just isn't convincing in the role... which is a failure of cast and crew.

That episode of Bubba Fett that Robert Rodriguez directed - the one with the brightly coloured flying motorbikes - was abysmal. I stopped watching Fett after that. I didn't like one minute of the show. It is (IMO) the worst Star Wars entry so far. I honestly prefer the Christmas Special and Battle for Endor / Caravan of Courage. Fett is a stupid character to base a show around, particularly after Mandalorian. Two tough guys - one after another - both with limited social skills and both who wear the same masks?

The prequels were full of boring characters. Now we have two consecutive shows about "silent" heroes?

Fuck this shit.
Man… I feel so sorry for you. Too bad you don’t like Star Wars. It’s enjoyable. Clearly you never bothered to watch The Clone Wars or Rebels, or you’d understand more of the “plot gaps” you speak of.

Have you seen the original trilogy? It’s absolute garbage. Good SFX for the times but still garbage, plot hole ridden trash. And I love it. And I love the prequels even more so.
 
I can enjoy stuff that I ultimately dislike.

If they made a crossover between Mrs. Doubtfire and Weekend at Bernie's and they actually used Robin Williams corpse... I'd go along for the ride.

The original trilogy isn't absolute garbage. It's not perfect, but those were great silly blockbuster films. I wouldn't describe any other Star Wars film as great. Episode 3 probably comes closest to the OT in terms of quality, but it also fucking sucked in lots of ways.

Will you watch everything they produce with the name Star Wars on it? They must be approaching 30 or 40 hours now. I don't know how many episodes of the animated shows there are. It's going to be like 100 hours eventually. Do you really want to watch 100 hours of Star Wars?

I have no interest in watching the animated spin-off shows. I don't consider animated stuff or any of the books to be canon. It's too exhausting. I'm not motivated to watch it all and even if I was, I don't have the time.

you’d understand more of the “plot gaps” you speak of.

Okay. Explain why Vader and Obi Wan become much less powerful than they used to be? In Episode 3, Kenobi is at the top of his game and he defeats Anakin. In Obi Wan, he's old and jaded and he's lost his mojo.
Then, Kenobi defeats Vader.
At the end of the show, he's got his powers back. He's a force to be reckoned with. So how the fuck does he become Alec Guinness?

If you're going to admit it's trash (which is totally fine, I watch a lot of trash) let's not pretend that it isn't sloppy AF.
 
Will you watch everything they produce with the name Star Wars on it?
Nope.
Do you really want to watch 100 hours of Star Wars?
Yes. I read the books too. I love the Expanded Universe.
I have no interest in watching the animated spin-off shows. I don't consider animated stuff or any of the books to be canon.
Well if you don't want to watch any of the animated series (in particular, The Clone Wars), then I guess you're not gonna enjoy Star Wars and have no interest in understanding where characters come from, how deep or shallow they are, or whether they're dead or not. It's one thing to write off the sequels (I pretend they didn't happen) and another to write off the whole rest of the universe that existed well before Disney bought the rights. The best two animated series have more lore/explanations than all 6 original films plus the two side-plot films put together.

Every time someone rants about how they hate the prequels, and I ask them if they've seen The Clone Wars, they always answer, "No, that's a kids show." Well, 1) it's not a kids show, and 2) if you ain't interested in vesting time in the universe/canon... then why are you complaining? Why not enjoy what is offered to you? Honestly The Clone Wars is so good that I spend more time rewatching that series than I ever do rewatching the films.

If anything, I hope you just take my passion as evidence that there is more to be found and enjoyed than you're letting yourself believe.

It's too exhausting. I'm not motivated to watch it all and even if I was, I don't have the time.
You said it yourself man; you're not interested in Star Wars. That's fine, lots of people don't like Star Wars. I don't like Marvel crap but other people eat it up. To each their own. While it annoys me how much time Disney wastes making Marvel crap, and some of the recent live-action Star Wars stuff has been lackluster, I'm not gonna rant about it. You have the time to rant but not watch a tv show in 20 minute spurts? I think that says a lot.
Okay. Explain why Vader and Obi Wan become much less powerful than they used to be?
People are really hung up on stuff like this with the latest series, but 1) Vader isn't? His character hasn't changed at all. And 2) ten years does a lot to the body and I doubt using the force is like riding a bike... I mean, isn't it obvious he's just very out of practice, haggard? You said so yourself again, he lost his mojo and had to find it. By the time Episode IV rolls around he's aged another 10-15 years again.

Obi-Wan as a series has been a bit of a let down, but I think people expect too much of it. I think if Dave Filloni and John Favreau directed it, maybe it could have been better.
 
I don't hate the prequels.

I defended them back in the day when they came out when everybody hated them. I don't think they're great films, but there are a lot of great moments throughout the prequel trilogy.

At least we can agree the sequel trilogy sucked.

You said it yourself man; you're not interested in Star Wars. That's fine, lots of people don't like Star Wars. I don't like Marvel crap but other people eat it up. To each their own. While it annoys me how much time Disney wastes making Marvel crap, and some of the recent live-action Star Wars stuff has been lackluster, I'm not gonna rant about it. You have the time to rant but not watch a tv show in 20 minute spurts? I think that says a lot.

Did I say I'm not interested in Star Wars?

I wouldn't have come this far, if this wasn't an important nostalgic franchise for me. We can agree - also - that Obi Wan is a disappointment. For me, everything has been somewhat of a disappointment since Return.

I'm not going to apologize for being in a ranting mood.

Parts of Mandalorian were as good as the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy. Obi Wan wasn't terrible, in the end.

Will you watch everything they produce with the name Star Wars on it?
Nope.

Would you watch Wookie porn?

Every time someone rants about how they hate the prequels, and I ask them if they've seen The Clone Wars, they always answer, "No, that's a kids show." Well, 1) it's not a kids show, and 2) if you ain't interested in vesting time in the universe/canon... then why are you complaining? Why not enjoy what is offered to you?

As I said, I enjoy what I watch even if I ultimately end up disliking it. I didn't say it was a kids show. You framed that in a way that sounds like I said that.

I assume Clone Wars is a very good show, don't get me wrong. A lot of people have recommended it to me. I'm not saying it isn't good. I never said that. I just don't want to watch it.
 
Would you watch Wookie porn?
… No?

I didn't say it was a kids show. You framed that in a way that sounds like I said that.

I assume Clone Wars is a very good show, don't get me wrong. A lot of people have recommended it to me. I'm not saying it isn't good. I never said that. I just don't want to watch it.
Fair enough, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth. I just don’t think people should judge the prequels without watching everything to get context. I feel the prequels were the best trilogy but I lump in The Clone Wars with them; without that series they’re rather bland and silly. The original trilogy was even worse than the prequels IMO, but I think lots of people don’t realize it because of rose-tinted glasses.

I honestly wouldn’t care for Star Wars at all without the tv series, video games, and books. George Lucas didn’t make Star Wars, fan fiction did. Well, fans and Frank Hebert, seeing as most of the first film is ripped directly from Dune.
 
I assume you grew up with the prequel trilogy. Everybody I've ever met that prefers the prequels grew up with them. The same isn't true with the original trilogy. There is no comparison. Padme is boring. Qui-Gon is boring. Both actors who play Anakin are (at least) somewhat annoying. Jar Jar is a fucking train wreck. Some of the droids are The 3 Stooges all of a sudden.

The original trilogy was flawed, but there was a real sense of mystery. It wasn't all backflips and special effects. The prequels traded character for pizzazz. There were a LOT of terrible decisions made by Lucas, but it still had the Lucas magic.

Star Wars wasn't made by fans any more than that statement applies to any other franchise. The similarities to Dune are broad strokes. It's tonally different. It also borrows inspiration from lots of other sources.

Attempts to recreate George Lucas' vision have largely failed. He failed, himself, to capture the magic of the original trilogy but he was more successful than anyone else... which is hardly surprising in retrospect.

I'm concerned about the new Indiana Jones. I love Indy. But - now - there is no Lucas and no Spielberg. It's like the ship of Theseus.

I don't hate the female reboot of Ghostbusters. I watched it the other day with my daughter. It's a seriously flawed movie in many ways, but I laughed at times.

It didn't feel like Ghostbusters, though. The only thing that I really disliked about the film was being distracted by inevitable thoughts about the original.

I would prefer it if we got more original big-budget films in the cinema and they stopped milking franchises to death at the expense of their so-called fans.

I'm not hugely concerned about it. This is a recent phenomenon, more or less.
 
I'm concerned about the new Indiana Jones
Is there more past the 4th tragedy of a film? I loved the first three.

I assume you grew up with the prequel trilogy
Yeah, so maybe I’m biased. I remember seeing the prequels in theaters and so I’ve always been more attached to them. Although as a kid my parents had the originals on vhs which were great (Lucas hadn’t done his CGI makeover yet…) and the local dollar theater would show the original trilogy once a week. That was the 90s though and life was different.

I agree that Disney has been churning out mostly garbage. I think what Dave Filloni has been involved in since their takeover has had a smoother transition and stayed canon. The new trilogy could have been based off of a great 90s trilogy written by Timothy Zahn and it would have been fresh. Instead they half salvaged the Thrawn character for Rebels which was nice but lacking.

Novelty would indeed be nice. But I guess I’m just glad that they’re putting SOMETHING out.
 
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@Cream Gravy?

If they gave me money and I had full freedom to do a spin-off of any character, it would definitely be Yoda. I was a little kid when I watched the original trilogy. The Ewok's were cute, but Yoda was always the best. I've definitely got nostalgia blinders, but I think (objectively) the original trilogy is the best.

They should do a Yoda show with no humans. No CGI. Only puppets and practical effects. It's set during Empire Strikes Back on Dagobah. A reluctant Yoda is trying to enjoy a lazy Sunday afternoon on the swamp when he gets dragged into a cat and mouse situation with a giant swamp beast. Along the way he encounters all sorts of bizarre and ridiculous creatures. Finally, exhausted, after defeating the beast, he goes home. Then - just as he falls asleep - an X-Wing lands. I call it Episode 4.5: Yoda Busts a Move. What do you think?

Is there more past the 4th tragedy of a film?

I blindly love Indy and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Crystal Skull is (warning: you're not going to like this) a more worthy addition to the original trilogy than phantom menace could ever hope to be. Indy 4 had lots of problems, don't get me wrong. I can see that, but I don't care. It's fucking Indy. Temple of Doom is one of my favourite movies of all time. Up there with Big Trouble in Little China and Beetlejuice.
 
Wargames with v young Matthew Broderick, is actually a fun watch.

Excellent coreography and acting.

Broderick is the rising star.

I dunno what happened to him but he fast grew into an ugly duckling IMO. Vs how he appeared in Wargames.

The plot, theme is basic as hell.


Star Wars films 1-3, are IMO horror movies dressed up.

Espec 3.

The OG Star Wars much less so.

And yes, the feebleness of Vader and Obi Wan.

Vs Jedi-can-do-anything-catch-me-if-you-can


But Yoda too, becomes useless then poof!


The look on Count Dookou's face to when Emp says..."Kill him, kill him now."


So much evil in that Movie.

But Dysney are evil.
 
The look on Count Dookou's face to when Emp says..."Kill him, kill him now."


So much evil in that Movie.

But Dysney are evil.

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I remember seeing posters with CoM and I am Legend still 2 yrs after theatrical world wide release! and the Yahoo trailer with "I am Legend" somehow made 2010 a futuristic yr, maybe that was the future worlf ended and we got up from beginning, time jumps ahaha. Was an interesting view especially from main cast, can't recall actor name now but he is made to make cosmic terror from face anatomy all way to personality. I think is following a Blade Runner approach with kids being sticks in bicycle wheels.

I never bought it because every film I've have either has Directors Cut or/with behind the scenes/OST. Back then Universal still had not only over films but YouTube copyrights so all it was a semantical process.

I still use a CD writer from LG to view films, reinstall Windows old guard but never failed never will. Speed of this is thanks to Multi Speed which uses spare spots of CD that's ghosted by your PC/3rd party software, all I can say this model was made by egyptians
 
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