Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?
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German intelligence reportedly intercepted radio exchanges between Russian soldiers who discussed killing Ukrainian civilians outside Kyiv, potentially leveling a powerful retort to widely dismissed Russian claims that massacres in Bucha and elsewhere were “staged.” The German information indicated that Russia’s Wagner Group, a mercenary firm tied to the Kremlin, may have been involved in the atrocities. Some eyewitnesses claimed Chechens were among them as well, Der Spiegel magazine reported. German officials, who presented the intelligence to lawmakers in Berlin Wednesday, say the intercepts indicate that the murder of civilians in the town of Bucha was not an act by rogue forces, but may have been part of a deliberate strategy to foment terror.
The World Health Organization is preparing for potential chemical attacks or accidents in the war in Ukraine, according to the agency’s European head. NATO officials have warned that Vladimir Putin may resort to weapons of mass destruction to turn the tide following the loss of what may be thousands of soldiers in his botched invasion. “WHO is considering all scenarios and making contingencies for different situations that could afflict the people of Ukraine, from the continued treatment of mass casualties, to chemical assaults,” Hans Kluge, Europe Director General for the WHO said at a media briefing in Lviv. Outside Ukraine, some in NATO countries and especially the U.S. have been scratching their heads over why Russia’s vaunted cyber arsenal hasn’t been more of a force to be reckoned with since the war began. Well, according to the New York Times, U.S. officials knew where a lot of Kremlin malware had been planted all over the world, and decided to remove it. —David E. Rovella
The World Health Organization is preparing for potential chemical attacks or accidents in the war in Ukraine, according to the agency’s European head. NATO officials have warned that Vladimir Putin may resort to weapons of mass destruction to turn the tide following the loss of what may be thousands of soldiers in his botched invasion. “WHO is considering all scenarios and making contingencies for different situations that could afflict the people of Ukraine, from the continued treatment of mass casualties, to chemical assaults,” Hans Kluge, Europe Director General for the WHO said at a media briefing in Lviv. Outside Ukraine, some in NATO countries and especially the U.S. have been scratching their heads over why Russia’s vaunted cyber arsenal hasn’t been more of a force to be reckoned with since the war began. Well, according to the New York Times, U.S. officials knew where a lot of Kremlin malware had been planted all over the world, and decided to remove it. —David E. Rovella
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There's little proof for lots of accusations being aimed at Russia. There's even compelling evidence to suggest false flag attacks. What is becoming highly likely is most of the big stories most people are following in shock are contrived and manufactured. There's growing evidence regarding the big headlines about various key events that have shook the momentum of the conflict to suggest it's being deliberately shook to supplant the narrative that Russia is evil. Like we've never heard that one before. As for weapons of mass destruction. Just think about that for a second. We've been here before. Saddam, anyone? And then later, a slow subtle transition to Osama in the Dr Evil lair in the Aghan mountains? They just can't let the war on terror narrative go. Here's an interesting fact though. There was no foreign terrorism threat as we know it today BEFORE the US created the war on terror narrative. Terrorism as we know it today wasn't even used in our language in such a way until then either. And so even the language was created to define what terrorism means. The only threat of terrorism comes from the Western establishment.
I just think it's sad that a country is being used as a pawn on the world stage that not so long ago nobody gave a fuck about nor did anyone care for the politics of Ukraine. It's good that people do care about Ukraine but it makes you wonder whether they do because they are told they should. All this virtue signalling about Ukraine makes me puke. It's so fake. People cared about the bucket challenge thing that happened years ago or so we thought. Most never donated though and the major charities behind the disease resorted to discouraging people from affiliating themselves with the craze. People only wanted to pour ice over their head to get likes and shares on their Facebook profile. I don't have a problem with people being supportive of something. When it's not genuine though it's toxic. It's worse than a toxic relationship with someone who covets you to stroke their own ego and secretly needs you to exist and be weaker than them in order for them to feel good about themselves. They will shower you with affection, so long as they are the ones "helping" you yet never acknowledging you're more than just a role in their unstable reality.
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Can all the russian trolls just get banned please.
Putin is the pinnacle of evil this mf is extactly the next Adolf hitler.
Russia has always been the same. Rape and murder everybody.
We need to fucking invade them asap. We can not let the genocides of europeans happen anymore and before u bla bla bla about the middle east that was not a genocide there. This is acutally a genocide. The russians want to wipe ukraine totally out. A few "Cilivans" dying in a drone attack aint a genocide. American soliders do not go around raping children like those evil fucks in russia.
We should take russia out with a full fledged invasion liberate its people and bring those responsible for these crimes to justice in the international crimminal court. Putin should be hung.
If id laugh if the russians try nuke us with their shitty as fuck missles. Hypersonic my ass lmao. I doubt much of their ICBMs will even fucking work the wonky fucking country is a shit hole.
They can try us and watch only themselves get annihalted in a fiery nuclear blast.
Putin is the pinnacle of evil this mf is extactly the next Adolf hitler.
Russia has always been the same. Rape and murder everybody.
We need to fucking invade them asap. We can not let the genocides of europeans happen anymore and before u bla bla bla about the middle east that was not a genocide there. This is acutally a genocide. The russians want to wipe ukraine totally out. A few "Cilivans" dying in a drone attack aint a genocide. American soliders do not go around raping children like those evil fucks in russia.
We should take russia out with a full fledged invasion liberate its people and bring those responsible for these crimes to justice in the international crimminal court. Putin should be hung.
If id laugh if the russians try nuke us with their shitty as fuck missles. Hypersonic my ass lmao. I doubt much of their ICBMs will even fucking work the wonky fucking country is a shit hole.
They can try us and watch only themselves get annihalted in a fiery nuclear blast.
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Wondered where you've been. Glad you're good
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I bring you the perfect example. Western, probably white and definitely from one of the Western allied countries.
You speak like a perfect Westerner!
Why should people get banned that disagree with you? State your point. And preferably use an intelligent response that has context. Banning usually implies someone is a threat to others in a community. Freedom of speech is not a threat. The fact you're saying what you're saying now is based on the fact you can say it.
Why is Putin evil? Describe with facts why Putin is evil. And, by the way, I'm not saying he's not just like any other stooge at the world stage because he is. But I try to remain as neutral and objective as possible. I know my own sitting leaders of the current government in my country are just the same.
How has Russia always been the same? Describe with facts. The allegations about rape and murder, particularly rape, is pretty serious. Can you provide facts?
I can. Over 80% of American women have experienced sexual assault/attack in their lifetime. Another troubling fact? One in three women say it happened first between the age of 11 and 17. So we're also talking about child molestation too. I like in the UK and over here it's not much different. Every women I have known has been sexually harassed and many of them raped. And that's in a 'clean and magical kingdom' like the UK. Who would have though it? Surely not? Moreover, where I live, the largest portion of crimes committed in the area, are sex crimes while tying with antisocial behaviour.
Why do we need to invade Russia? Explain why you're so angry and why you would want such a serious thing to happen. And don't just parrot a preschool level analysis of how the world works.
Was the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people over the past decades in the Middle East not similar? It amounts to one of the biggest war crimes ever committed and here in the UK, if we are going by law, it should have resulted in Tony Blair being tried for war crimes, along with George Bush. What about the mass murder of all the inhabitants of neighbouring countries Western imperialists wanted to take out in order to conquer their lands? I'm guessing you're from New Zealand, right? One word - IMPERIALISM. Care to explain the dark history of how your country came to be? Your country wasn't founded on hugs and kisses. You extinguished the threat of the native people by essentially eradicating them or forcing them into acculturating to Western civilisation.
Just google 'American soldiers raping' to debunk that ridiculous comment. Rape has always been a major problem for the US military. And US military atrocities stretch far and wide and are the core of every conflict they have been involved in. Do your research. Here's one article; https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military. Another; https://medium.com/lessons-from-his...-raped-women-and-murdered-people-103c3b6fe2e0. Here's on Stack Exchange https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/15237/rape-perpetrated-by-american-soldiers-during-wwii. Another; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/16/usa.iraq1. Another; https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/rape-of-german-women-470918f997d3. This is just a few examples yet spans a HUGE amount of victims. You can do more research on your own.
Russia has more nuclear capability than the US. It's a massive country that makes yours look like a city green space. I'm not a supporter of Russia, by the way. Just merely stating a humorous fact. It has one of the biggest nuclear arsenals and it's expanding. Whether that's a good thing or bad is for another debate but either way, you're talking about a nuclear superpower at the very top of the pile.
You're quite a violent person, aren't you? Look at the hatred spewing from your comments. That's why I know you're a Westerner, because you talk with so much projection it's evident the brainwashing throughout your life is so deep despite all the LSD experiences you've claimed to have had that conditioning still hasn't been wiped. Everybody has biases, most of them unconscious but one thing everybody has in common if they come from the Western world, myself included, is we all know how to defend and vehemently attack whatever bogeyman that pops up on our TVs or smartphones. It's one thing we do well. And it's why the war machine continues to drive on and why the world will largely never be at peace.
Why? Because the West IS the chief warmonger out of all countries on the planet. And it's people have been conditioned through generations to normalize, defend and unconditionally accept war as inevitable.
That's why you're posting such extremely disturbing content and without basis. And yet barely any of it holds true under scrutiny. Much like the whole history on Western wars and intervention that we've witnessed throughout our lives that has always resulted in more being taken away from us and more given to the state while innocent people around the world die because some fat cats sat the top of the social hierarchy thrive off the power, wealth and status they accrue from the relationships they forge, the industries they make and the narratives they spin.
Now that's REAL anti-war rherotic. And that's coming from a Westerner who should be as conditioned to salivate upon a bell ringing as much as you.
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well im really glad you're here and you have it all figured out for us
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I just ingore the russians troll. Vladmir putin is a war crimminal a butcher.
The chinese are praising him like some sort of god aswell. China is plotting the same shit to do to taiwan.
this aint the time to be fooled every western nation on earth must quickly pour all their resources into arms. the EU should be forced to spend 500-600 billion euros on millitary this year. Fuck them getting a free ticket from america this entire time. Every american president told nato they need to spend more. And now we are here.
We need to start placing nuclear weapons in australia to tell the chinese to get fucked.
I highly recommend investing into uranaium its going thru the roof!
RUSSIA is not fooling me.
This is gonna be a major world war. Biden has legalized the use of nuclear weapons in response to chemical attacks.
Russia is about to find out why americans dont have free healthcare.
The free world is about to wave our massive nuclear dick around and wipe these evil fucking scum bags out one day
The chinese are praising him like some sort of god aswell. China is plotting the same shit to do to taiwan.
this aint the time to be fooled every western nation on earth must quickly pour all their resources into arms. the EU should be forced to spend 500-600 billion euros on millitary this year. Fuck them getting a free ticket from america this entire time. Every american president told nato they need to spend more. And now we are here.
We need to start placing nuclear weapons in australia to tell the chinese to get fucked.
I highly recommend investing into uranaium its going thru the roof!
RUSSIA is not fooling me.
This is gonna be a major world war. Biden has legalized the use of nuclear weapons in response to chemical attacks.
Russia is about to find out why americans dont have free healthcare.
The free world is about to wave our massive nuclear dick around and wipe these evil fucking scum bags out one day
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I haven't figured anything out for anybody.well im really glad you're here and you have it all figured out for us
I guess you could call it wanting to actually learn about what's going on in the world and choosing not to live a lie. Whatever way you look at it, you have no choice but to figure things out, or else you suffer.
We suffer straight off the back for example because we are materialistic, we are consumer addicts desperate for the next best thing to sooth our emptiness. Our emptiness comes from the fact that our societies don't support us and our culture is not compatible with the very fabric of our existence and human condition. We are conditioned to live a shell of ourselves to suit those who want us small and weak. We basically do everything that runs counter to living the best possible life we can. For example, we are overworked, underpaid, stressed, anxious, depressed, suicidal. In the process we get hooked on drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling. We run and we run and we run. We can never find what we are looking for and so we desperately cling to whatever promises to fix us. The systems exist to benefit those at the top while shitting on the rest. It's a wonder why we suffer but nobody wants to face the truth because they've been traumatised so much they cannot escape.
That's just the start of explaining the problems that exist before you even decide to swipe your smartphone and consume bullshit that is projects on it's screen for you.
That's before we mention Putin. That's before you even leave the house in the morning.
This is at the very root of our existence and why we are so lost and trying so hard to attach ourselves to whatever fairytale we are sold.
That's probably why most of us are here in the first place, because we started our journey with drugs BECAUSE of one (or more) reasons stated above. Because the world is fucked, because it seems like nobody cares, because the system let is down, because we were never given the opportunity, because society is fucked.
But yeah, that's right, whenever a story appears on the news this time everything is going to be okay and it means everything you've been through and know deep down to be true now all of a sudden disappears, right?
The world is all better now there's another drama afoot and the superheroes of the world are at work fixing it.
Meanwhile, yep, that suffering STILL exists.
The world IS still fucked. The problems ARE NOT going away. And no sentimental bullshit on Facebook is solving it strangely enough. Maybe because that too is bullshit? Maybe because people think being sentimental and virtue signalling fixes things. Or maybe because deep down they don't have a clue what is real anymore and just gave up thinking for themselves?
It's rich that we're on a drug forum. A place founded because of government corruption that started the biggest failed wars we have ever seen (until COVID-19 came along). A place that united people because of the failed drug war and gave people a place to stand together and challenge the system.And people on here who are probably among the worst victims of failed policies, are desperate to lick the boots of the establishment that has drove them through the dirt. I find that amazing but also scary. When a drugs forum, anti-establishment at it's roots if we're going along the lines of support for drug consumption and freedom over consciousness and body, decides to mutilate itself and starts chanting establishment propaganda...
But hey, seeing all this makes me a Russian troll, right?
You must be one of your prime ministers most respected and venerated citizens. Oh wait, you're not? And neither am I? You won't getting a medal anytime soon for your work sabotaging your own society. But you will suffer, if you don't choose to learn and wake up.
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imo_incolae
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Well, don't you sound like a peace loving individual who wants the world to prosper as equally and fairly as possible.
Just for the record, you're stating that you promote the use of the 'massive nuclear dick' being used?
You're flouting the catastrophic possibility that nuclear weapons might be used like it's nothing. Just to make sure?
You're really showing why the world is such a fucked up place.
And you're supposed to be on the good side, right?
Case in point to those spectating. This is the mind of a Western individual, when awoken from his induced sleep to mindlessly support warmongering, in action, while professing to be righteous and peaceful and a lover of a free world.
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While I agree Putin is a dick, I would contend that American soldiers do some truly abysmal shit in war just like any other country.
I mean you're aware of some the shit that happened in Vietnam right? I mean, even the 'Night Stalker' Richard Ramirez, was very much taught some of the sick shit that led up to his murder/rape spree by a cousin who served in Vietnam that brought home polaroids of his rapes and mutilations of Vietnamese women and girls.
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You need to start making your points in this forum without resorting to personal insults, regardless of how much you disagree with someone's analysis, consider this your first verbal warning. Continuing these ad-hominem insults will lead to a temporary ban from CEPS and formal infractions that will lead to temporary bans of the entire forum.
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i don't agree with him much either but what's he saying there that's so bad that might result in a banning?
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The soviet era tanks arrived in Ukraine yesterday I believe which is good they need them.
Anonymous the latest on their cyber war against Russia
Hackers affiliated with Anonymous have claimed to have leaked more than 900,000 emails spanning 20 years from Russia's largest state media corporation
released the dates of birth
names
home addresses
passport numbers
of 120,000 Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine
Following the release, the collective announced that 'all soldiers participating in the invasion of Ukraine should be subjected to a war crime tribunal.
Anonymous the latest on their cyber war against Russia
Hackers affiliated with Anonymous have claimed to have leaked more than 900,000 emails spanning 20 years from Russia's largest state media corporation
released the dates of birth
names
home addresses
passport numbers
of 120,000 Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine
Following the release, the collective announced that 'all soldiers participating in the invasion of Ukraine should be subjected to a war crime tribunal.
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I want to go war with china and russia. Its gonna happen by the end of the year i swear. I will signing up to the draft. I will fight for the innocent cilivans of this world. We need to SHOW the entire world not to fuck with the WEST
You are not correctly reading TripsitterNZ. Observe and interact with people for longer before putting them in boxes, or better yet — avoid that lazy heuristic entirely.
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Or maybe "we" doesn't exist and "we" is simply an illusion created by the state to condition people into control and subservience to their agendas? The real version of "we" is the same "we" you refer to when you're talking about your friends, family and loved ones, your community, your faith, your spiritual connection to this world and everyone in it. That's what your most important relationships consist of. Everything else is conditioning. You are conditioned to assume you speak for your country. In reality, politicians speak for your country and you simply follow (as you are conditioned to to do so). If "we" existed "we" would be in control. It would actually be "our" world because there wouldn't be structures that exist deliberately to detach you from the reality of your relationship to the world you live in.
Just try this thought experiment.
You watch TV. Much of TV consists of advertising. Advertising is based on well documented scientific studies into the social psychology of humans. It is then used to manipulate said humans into buying things. This is acceptable in our society and we consider it normal. According to science, you are unconsciously processing information all the time around you and what you process when you're out and about are things like advertising and so coca-cola, Subway, McDonalds, Nike, whatever, are etched into your brain and you didn't consent to this. You can't even help remembering this information.
Social media. Social media is built on hacking the human brain in order to keep peoples attention. We consider that acceptable and normal (at the moment anyway). Facebook spends BILLIONS on research into their users and how to manipulate them into staying on the site, using their apps and giving them data in which they convert into money, and lots of it. You never shook hands with Zuckerberg and agreed to this. It was just thrown into your life until you were conditioned to accept the new reality around you. Now you undoubtedly think about posting updates to your profile without much effort. You consume information it churns out without ever considering the truth behind your relationship to this information and who is responsible for forcing it down your neck. You just swipe click and consume like its natural. Everytime you take a picture you assume a particular set of behaviours with the intention to upload to social media. You do this for social approval and to conform to the socially agreed upon norms. This all happens without you ever being actively involved in the process. You think you can choose but you're being manipulated by social pressure to conform all the while being conditioned to believe life would be worse without this relationship in your life. A relationship, as we've just pointed out, you never asked for nor did you consent to.
How is this happening to you? Most of it is invisible. Most of it is so quick and clinical, you aren't even aware you've been had. And now you've signed an agreement with forces you can't even point your finger to or even identify without deciphering it all.
You're being manipulated everyday. Social norms are a form of control. Control is manipulation, be that of physical bodies or of mind etc. Control on here is no different. If you get banned you are being controlled. Someone else is controlling your virtual representation of self on this forum, of which is nothing but 1s and 0s (well its represented as PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS and JS actually) hosted on someone's computer somewhere. But you take it to be very real. Your identity on here is very real. In your mind, you really are your alias. But its not concrete. You just assume your relationship with this place is legitimate. There are underlying forces everywhere you go and relationships that you probably don't even think about.
All that being said, whose to say the person you think you are (based upon the conditioning you've gone through) is actually who you are?
Its obvious really. You're not really an American or British or Indian. So if you're not that, what are you? These are constructs based upon a collective identity which are based on politics. Whose controlling the political landscape? You? Me? I don't think so. Did you exist before your mother named you? At what point did you exist? After birth or before it? Who is responsible for the things you believe in? Can you track down where these beliefs first occurred and who or what was responsible? I can guarantee almost ALL of them came from outside of you ie other people influencing you. And so, someone manipulated you one way or another, into believing them. What was their agenda? What did they want out of it? Who benefited in this exchange? Where was/is the reward? I'm not saying all manipulation is bad. You are manipulated as a child into behaving, this is socially considered a good act and it integrates the child into society based on socially agreed norms and values. That being said, your mother teaching you how to be a good person and the big world around you, are two different things. Besides, your mother is conditioned otherwise, how would she know how to pass that conditioning onto you? Her mother was conditioned. Her mother too.
You're not most of what you think you are. LSD, as you know, will show you that. And so why is there is a part of us that despite knowing this, still cling to the bullshit we know to be bullshit? If you take acid and see how society and the games we play are an illusion, why is there still a place in us that welcomes that bullshit? Why can't we get the message and make 2 + 2 and get 4? Why do we end up at 5? Our conditioning. It's so powerful and so deeply engrained that components of it still linger even if we rid ourselves of others. You can disagree for example on climate change but a staunch supporter of communism. We live in a tangled mess of values, ideals and constructs. You could want peace but vote in a tyrant. We all have hidden biases. Psychotherapy calls it the unexamined self. Its a shadow within. The parts of us we aren't aware of yet they guide us through life, positively or negatively. What is that? Conditioning.
Makes you think about whose actually speaking when you utter words. Whose words do they really belong to? Whose actually speaking? Where does the story of what you believe in begin? How do you know its true?
Why is war really on your mind, man?
And who are you at war with really?
And how did that come about?
Who taught you to act and think, see and feel like this?
You didn't get here by yourself. Its been an ongoing battle your entire life and its been a gradual process of pushing and pulling you here, there and everywhere. You haven't been pushing and pulling yourself. So who has been doing that?
You talk about war. What do you know about war if you take away what you are TOLD about it? What do you know about what's going on when you take away your conditioning and the relationships you have no longer exist with what you consider to be reality?
You'll find you'll come to the conclusion that someone or something else is in control and you're just a passenger. But hey, such is life! You're on the conveyor belt until you're kicked off it, right? What calms me down is knowing you have a choice in this lifetime to acknowledge you are on the belt in the first place.
War, they say.
Who is really speaking?
Oh look, it's the 50 rouble army. Hope they are paying you in the *official* exchange rate, but I kinda doubt it.
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Here's a plot twist.
If I'm getting supposedly getting paid to challenge the mainstream narrative. What are YOU getting paid? What is YOUR reward?
Surely logic says that if I'm peddling propaganda then surely you must be too. You can't have two competing narratives without both of those narratives having an agenda. So that means we are both stooges for whatever political affiliations we attach ourselves too. So we're both employees for our respective governments.
Like you say I should be getting paid in a currency tied to a weaker economy. Well, if you're part of the good side and part of the wealth, power, status and influence. You should be getting way more than me for what you preach. I'm on the rouble (apparently), just a measly peasant barely scraping by. You're a Westerner (I presume, just like myself actually - I come from the UK) backed by the dominant exchange currency. Shouldn't you be rich then? Why are you bothered about some petty person like me when you're evidently part of a very exclusive social order?
I'll let that one sink in.
Here's a hint - you're getting NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH.
Your bank statement shows a big fat zero when you look for payments from your government.
How's the dream working out for you? Sat on a mega-yacht in the ocean? So tired of bundling notes together you pay someone to simply wrap elastic bands around them? Got access to the most elite circles in society? Get priority to the best healthcare in the world thanks to your ties to wealthy and powerful people where a private helicopter spawns out of nowhere to pick you up and whisk you past the poor people? Surely your government must pay you in trucks of gold, right? You must have a house full of gold bricks, no? Just like every Westerner then. Because we're all reaping the rewards of preaching scripts from our rulers, right?
Oh wait...
We're not
I wonder why that is...Global wealth over the past few years has shifted more than it ever has. Now it's in the hands of yet a smaller amount of entities. And while we all suffered during the pandemic, politicians, corporations and social elites made bank off the backs of everybody else's suffering. While they were REALLY cashing checks we were too busy bickering over whether we should be able to stand close to one another and whether society is a disease that needs eradicating. While we were distracted the REAL players in the shifting global narratives secured their fortunes, power and influence at the world stage.
But keep counting your checks you're getting from your government, man. Soon you will be rich, on empty promises that is. And you know you can't cash those.