Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

[Las Veghost grower]

If war has taught us one thing over the years it’s no matter how big your swinging dick is defeating freedom fighters is next to impossible…

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

right

an attacking military vs a defending homeland country doesn't have the nationalist attitude as invading countries did 100 years ago - that's long gone

so the defending country has the advantage in this day and age

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

and then weaponry wise, you don't have the technological gap that their was 70 years ago

everybody's got big guns now

guys are running around with surface to air missiles in their belt buckles nowadays

 

[Cream Gravy?]

To those who are questioning how Ukraine is fending off the Ruskies... how do you think the Afghans fought them off? How do you think the Afghans fought off the U.S.? How do you think the Vietnamese kicked out not only the French and the U.S., but the Chinese too? Unless you're willing to wage total war i.e. civilians become targets for all combat situations, you cannot win an invasion. Sure, the U.S. and Russia could have levelled Afghanistan, killed every single darn living being across the whole country... but then what? What good is a nuclear wasteland devoid of life?

 

[deficiT]

Damn, this is from yesterday:

Jesus. That's fucked up.

 

[imo_incolae]

The West has gone to war with many countries just in the last few decades alone and yet barely a fuss was made about it.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc. The West is still in several countries right now and the problems haven't disappeared. The problems were always propogated by the West so they could intervene in the first place. No war the West has fought in recent history has been a success and yet we don't look at ourselves as oppressors causing destruction, death and violence wherever we go. It never ends. Why is there not a lengthy debate about the endless amounts of innocent people slaughtered in the Middle East by Western bombs and bullets? Why is the world not banding together to come for us as the main banner holder for all righteous war narratives? After all, all wars that people have known over the past few decades have happened as a result of Western warmongering. It's started in our own doorsteps and then spread to the rest of the world.

This war in Ukraine is tragic, no doubts about that. But it's being propped up by the Western media. The war is theater, literally. Much of the coverage is spun to cater to a particular narrative without actually educating the public on the long and extensive history and failed policies, unfufilled agreements and many years of violence and division. And it's being spun as some evil conspiracy concocted by a bogeyman (Putin) whose out to bring down the world. If it's not Russia then it's China. If it's neither of those then it's the Middle East. There's always a bogeyman and always, coincidentally, an opportunity to go to war. And that means more contracts for the huge behemoths behind the manufacturing of weapons and technology that cause all the damage and destroy vast amounts of life, progress and potential. Ironically, much of the Western establishment players fall back on private defense contractors when they come out of power. But let's pretend having ex-government insiders in relationships with defense contractors doesn't mean more contracts with government. More contracts means more growth for the Western military industrial complex. More lobbying, more shady relationships that only benefit a very small percentage of entities (and you are not one of them). Ukraine is being used as a prop, just as it's been used as a country to be leeched of it's resources and corrupt shady government ties with Western establishments, namely America and namely the Biden administration where there is documented proof of pay-for-play to meddle in the politics.

As soon as this narrative is over, people won't give a f*ck about Ukraine. All this virtue signalling will soon to change to something else. It was BLM not that long ago but that soon died out and now we know the founders of BLM have a pretty shady backstory and their affairs are far from in order. We have the transagender ripping apart rational debate about gender and biology. We have viruses that are going to kill the population, apparently. There's always a sticker you can wear with your narcissistic profile picture on Facebook so don't worry, you can always stay relevant and agree with all the things because you saw it on your news feed. Before all this Ukraine was known largely as a corrupt place with very little progress in terms of enstilling a government that actually works. There's been problems for a very long time. There's a history of f*ckery in the country that stretches back a long time. It's no utopia nor has it ever been. Russia isn't perfect but when has Russia ever been perfect? When has the West? We are all as bad as one another. The Western world is no exception. Just because we invented social media and made it cool to virtue signal about all the bad things in the world and how great we are doesn't change the fact that we, or our governments moreover, are among the most corrupt, self absorbed, warmongering and profiteering, shady establishments on the whole roster. We just wear our corruption with jeans and coca colas and then take selfies pretending our countries can do no harm to anyone. We take advantage of our privelege and act like we live in a world of innocence. If only it was that simple. In reality, much of our world is propped up by violence, death and oppression. I'm from the UK and much of my history is propped up by oppression. The UK built it's empire on oppression.

Hmmm... look at history and maybe wake up.
The West loves war. It's encoded into our DNA as Westerners. And yet it's completely f*cked up and the narrative behind the war is always distorted and never quite resembles the fact. Instead Orwellian manipulation of words occur so that the truth is always just out of reach. We are helping to forment the war in Ukraine. We are helping to build the narrative that is pushing us towards WW3 and when it happens it will be the West that is to blame and there's nothing new there. Who will it benefit? Not you. Not me. But as long as you're plugged in to the matrix and consuming all the bullsh*t sent through your smart devices you'll assume it's some Marvel Avengers storyline where at the end of it all we'll all live in a world of harmony, peace and ever-lasting prosperity.

It's the same West that has caused all the major wars over the last few decades. Go figure.

 

[Jabberwocky]

The West has gone to war with many countries just in the last few decades alone and yet barely a fuss was made about it.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc. The West is still in several countries right now and the problems haven't disappeared. The problems were always propogated by the West so they could intervene in the first place. No war the West has fought in recent history has been a success and yet we don't look at ourselves as oppressors causing destruction, death and violence wherever we go. It never ends. Why is there not a lengthy debate about the endless amounts of innocent people slaughtered in the Middle East by Western bombs and bullets? Why is the world not banding together to come for us as the main banner holder for all righteous war narratives? After all, all wars that people have known over the past few decades have happened as a result of Western warmongering. It's started in our own doorsteps and then spread to the rest of the world.

This war in Ukraine is tragic, no doubts about that. But it's being propped up by the Western media. The war is theater, literally. Much of the coverage is spun to cater to a particular narrative without actually educating the public on the long and extensive history and failed policies, unfufilled agreements and many years of violence and division. And it's being spun as some evil conspiracy concocted by a bogeyman (Putin) whose out to bring down the world. If it's not Russia then it's China. If it's neither of those then it's the Middle East. There's always a bogeyman and always, coincidentally, an opportunity to go to war. And that means more contracts for the huge behemoths behind the manufacturing of weapons and technology that cause all the damage and destroy vast amounts of life, progress and potential. Ironically, much of the Western establishment players fall back on private defense contractors when they come out of power. But let's pretend having ex-government insiders in relationships with defense contractors doesn't mean more contracts with government. More contracts means more growth for the Western military industrial complex. More lobbying, more shady relationships that only benefit a very small percentage of entities (and you are not one of them). Ukraine is being used as a prop, just as it's been used as a country to be leeched of it's resources and corrupt shady government ties with Western establishments, namely America and namely the Biden administration where there is documented proof of pay-for-play to meddle in the politics.

As soon as this narrative is over, people won't give a f*ck about Ukraine. All this virtue signalling will soon to change to something else. It was BLM not that long ago but that soon died out and now we know the founders of BLM have a pretty shady backstory and their affairs are far from in order. We have the transagender ripping apart rational debate about gender and biology. We have viruses that are going to kill the population, apparently. There's always a sticker you can wear with your narcissistic profile picture on Facebook so don't worry, you can always stay relevant and agree with all the things because you saw it on your news feed. Before all this Ukraine was known largely as a corrupt place with very little progress in terms of enstilling a government that actually works. There's been problems for a very long time. There's a history of f*ckery in the country that stretches back a long time. It's no utopia nor has it ever been. Russia isn't perfect but when has Russia ever been perfect? When has the West? We are all as bad as one another. The Western world is no exception. Just because we invented social media and made it cool to virtue signal about all the bad things in the world and how great we are doesn't change the fact that we, or our governments moreover, are among the most corrupt, self absorbed, warmongering and profiteering, shady establishments on the whole roster. We just wear our corruption with jeans and coca colas and then take selfies pretending our countries can do no harm to anyone. We take advantage of our privelege and act like we live in a world of innocence. If only it was that simple. In reality, much of our world is propped up by violence, death and oppression. I'm from the UK and much of my history is propped up by oppression. The UK built it's empire on oppression.

Hmmm... look at history and maybe wake up.
The West loves war. It's encoded into our DNA as Westerners. And yet it's completely f*cked up and the narrative behind the war is always distorted and never quite resembles the fact. Instead Orwellian manipulation of words occur so that the truth is always just out of reach. We are helping to forment the war in Ukraine. We are helping to build the narrative that is pushing us towards WW3 and when it happens it will be the West that is to blame and there's nothing new there. Who will it benefit? Not you. Not me. But as long as you're plugged in to the matrix and consuming all the bullsh*t sent through your smart devices you'll assume it's some Marvel Avengers storyline where at the end of it all we'll all live in a world of harmony, peace and ever-lasting prosperity.

It's the same West that has caused all the major wars over the last few decades. Go figure.

Whataboutism

 

[imo_incolae]

Whataboutism

You mean rational debate where you are challenging a particular belief/ideology and positing a counter argument?
It would be convenient if you could settle debate with made up words that some extreme leftist Nazi concocted in their government backed regime change doctorate program.
What's it even mean? Haha. It's just a word that doesn't even exist? Is that how crazy we've become? Now we are resulting in defying language in order to try and deceive ourselves into believing the things we see around us?
The truth might hurt your feelings but the truth doesn't care about your feelings.

The best solution is for everybody to show how much they hate war by choosing no longer to support it. Let's see how many people get onboard with that idea.
If you propogate the narrative then you're in support of war. And everybody in the West likes to parrot on about how they hate war and how they are a country of peace. Prove it I say.
That's not whatever new word you've been taught in your social media news feed. That's called common sense. As soon as people did that and stopped propogating the mainstream narrative, the less power those in charge of those narratives would have. All that people are doing is backing Western intervention which then means yet another bullsh*t war that cannot actually be solved over a narrative that doesn't exist. And sooner or later you'll start seeing news pieces coming out about how 'we got everything wrong' but then by then you'll be supporting a war with plants because you heard it on social media. We all know where that will lead because we've already been there and it's what you're a victim of, if you're here as a drug user, because your family supported the war on drugs which led us to this point today and something we are still healing from and trying to fix. Ah, the irony. Let's fight to overturn laws and fix broken policy while at the same time supporting new broken policies coming into effect (which our children and their children will then need to fight - all while further supporting yet more broken policies?).

Be careful what you wish for.
Interesting use of language, by the way.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You mean rational debate where you are challenging a particular belief/ideology and positing a counter argument?
It would be convenient if you could settle debate with made up words that some extreme leftist Nazi concocted in their government backed regime change doctorate program.
What's it even mean? Haha. It's just a word that doesn't even exist? Is that how crazy we've become? Now we are resulting in defying language in order to try and deceive ourselves into believing the things we see around us?
The truth might hurt your feelings but the truth doesn't care about your feelings.

The best solution is for everybody to show how much they hate war by choosing no longer to support it. Let's see how many people get onboard with that idea.
If you propogate the narrative then you're in support of war. And everybody in the West likes to parrot on about how they hate war and how they are a country of peace. Prove it I say.
That's not whatever new word you've been taught in your social media news feed. That's called common sense. As soon as people did that and stopped propogating the mainstream narrative, the less power those in charge of those narratives would have. All that people are doing is backing Western intervention which then means yet another bullsh*t war that cannot actually be solved over a narrative that doesn't exist. And sooner or later you'll start seeing news pieces coming out about how 'we got everything wrong' but then by then you'll be supporting a war with plants because you heard it on social media. We all know where that will lead because we've already been there and it's what you're a victim of, if you're here as a drug user, because your family supported the war on drugs which led us to this point today and something we are still healing from and trying to fix. Ah, the irony. Let's fight to overturn laws and fix broken policy while at the same time supporting new broken policies coming into effect (which our children and their children will then need to fight - all while further supporting yet more broken policies?).

Be careful what you wish for.
Interesting use of language, by the way. If you invented it yourself I'd be impressed. Which CNN anchor gaslighted you into using it?

im too tired to get into ideological debate that will go nowhere
whataboutism an argument style you expose a logical fallacy

anyway language continually evolves to call a word made up is redundant





when people assume that anyone who gives a shit about anything is virtue signaling or just doing it for some external reason amd then moves on that says more about them then anything else
most people don’t move on
the news cycle moves on


edited to add because I couldn’t restrain myself it’s really ironic that you are accusing me of being gaslit when you are gulping down the Russian nazi line which is bullshit
its ironic
projection

In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election the coalition of Svoboda and the other right-wing political parties in Ukraine ― National Corps, the Governmental Initiative of Yarosh, and the Right Sector ― won only 2.15% of the vote combined and failed to pass the 5% threshold.[4][5] No far-right parties gained seats in the Verkhovna Rada (Ukraine's parliament), as they all failed to win any single-mandate constituency seat

plus the President is Jewish

wake up smell the disinformation campaign
the Russians are great at hybrid warfare
you are proof of that

 

[imo_incolae]

I can smell the disinformation campaign. That's why I think the war is bullsh*t. I don't support either side. I think it's horrible what's happening but I don't suggest or condone to the vitriol flowing in terms of what is going on that is creating a toxic ugly smog around the whole thing. I don't think you can trust either side; Russia or the US or any of the 'allies'. I don't think you can trust Ukraine either. It's a corruption filled place just like the US or the UK. There's no good guy in this situation. There are just world powers preying on Ukraine in order to posture and display their power and implement their policies. Just how it always has been. Find a country that 'needs rescuing' and then make a spectacle about it to benefit ulterior agendas. I can promise you that by Christmas you won't be talking about Ukraine. You're only talking about it now because you spend most of your life connected to a digital world that continuously feeds you a narrative that after a while you cannot help but to believe because there's no other choice when your reality is saturated with content that depicts a particular reality. You only care because it's thrown in your face. It's another fad and while everybody is enjoying feeling like they are involved in something, the foundations are laid for many many years of problems and decisions that are exactly what you don't want, if of course you are against war altogether and involvement in this situation.

It's a terrible situation. I think war is a terrible idea. I think Russia fucked up big time but I also think the West is probably one of the biggest culprits in worsening the situation by playing devils advocate and essentially seeking to continue funding the hostilities just because Putin is the 'bad guy', just like Russia as for a very long time been the 'enemy' of the West. And people virtue signalling are really supporting the problems, and not the solutions. All the 'Help Ukraine' stuff is ridiculous. Why? People never gave a shit about Ukraine before all this. But now people care? What about the many years of problems the country has had well before the dinosaur media started projecting pictures on your screens? Why weren't people begging to make a difference back then? Ah right, that's right, because people don't give a shit. People will support war with plants if they are brainwashed enough. People will support wars with Dr Evil weapons technology that doesn't exist and for a bearded man living in a desert who has a big red button to end the world. Then again let's not forget people also supported slavery, persecution and oppression of black people and attacking gay people. They also went on rampages in the name of God killing innocent people to prove their God was supreme. People built the Pyramids under duress of their supreme leaders. Much of our society is built on the silent majority who hold up the foundations of our society while being continuously fucked over.

But now people all of a sudden have awoken and truly want to rescue Ukraine? Come on now...

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I dunno, I've been paying attention to the civil unrest in Ukraine since the 2014-era. I recall watching footage of fighting in the East back in 2017 or so and thinking, "Damn, that's fucked up."

I mean it does seem a bit hyperbolic, the Western media portrayal. But I don't doubt the ill intent of Putin in this matter.

I think his plan is to force Ukraine into forking over certain Eastern and Southern regions, and I think that was always his plan. Lie to his people about the reasons for invasion, so that he can forge a greater barrier between himself and what he perceives to be his greatest threats to his power. He's an autocrat, it's authoritarianism 101. The Russian media is calling the war a 'de-Nazification effort', I wonder how many Russians really believe that?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I can smell the disinformation campaign. That's why I think the war is bullsh*t. I don't support either side. I think it's horrible what's happening but I don't suggest or condone to the vitriol flowing in terms of what is going on that is creating a toxic ugly smog around the whole thing. I don't think you can trust either side; Russia or the US or any of the 'allies'. I don't think you can trust Ukraine either. It's a corruption filled place just like the US or the UK. There's no good guy in this situation. There are just world powers preying on Ukraine in order to posture and display their power and implement their policies. Just how it always has been. Find a country that 'needs rescuing' and then make a spectacle about it to benefit ulterior agendas. I can promise you that by Christmas you won't be talking about Ukraine. You're only talking about it now because you spend most of your life connected to a digital world that continuously feeds you a narrative that after a while you cannot help but to believe because there's no other choice when your reality is saturated with content that depicts a particular reality. You only care because it's thrown in your face. It's another fad and while everybody is enjoying feeling like they are involved in something, the foundations are laid for many many years of problems and decisions that are exactly what you don't want, if of course you are against war altogether and involvement in this situation.

It's a terrible situation. I think war is a terrible idea. I think Russia fucked up big time but I also think the West is probably one of the biggest culprits in worsening the situation by playing devils advocate and essentially seeking to continue funding the hostilities just because Putin is the 'bad guy', just like Russia as for a very long time been the 'enemy' of the West. And people virtue signalling are really supporting the problems, and not the solutions. All the 'Help Ukraine' stuff is ridiculous. Why? People never gave a shit about Ukraine before all this. But now people care? What about the many years of problems the country has had well before the dinosaur media started projecting pictures on your screens? Why weren't people begging to make a difference back then? Ah right, that's right, because people don't give a shit. People will support war with plants if they are brainwashed enough. People will support wars with Dr Evil weapons technology that doesn't exist and for a bearded man living in a desert who has a big red button to end the world. Then again let's not forget people also supported slavery, persecution and oppression of black people and attacking gay people. They also went on rampages in the name of God killing innocent people to prove their God was supreme. People built the Pyramids under duress of their supreme leaders. Much of our society is built on the silent majority who hold up the foundations of our society while being continuously fucked over.

But now people all of a sudden have awoken and truly want to rescue Ukraine? Come on now...

I can smell the disinformation campaign. That's why I think the war is bullsh*t. I don't support either side. I think it's horrible what's happening but I don't suggest or condone to the vitriol flowing in terms of what is going on that is creating a toxic ugly smog around the whole thing. I don't think you can trust either side; Russia or the US or any of the 'allies'. I don't think you can trust Ukraine either. It's a corruption filled place just like the US or the UK. There's no good guy in this situation. There are just world powers preying on Ukraine in order to posture and display their power and implement their policies. Just how it always has been. Find a country that 'needs rescuing' and then make a spectacle about it to benefit ulterior agendas. I can promise you that by Christmas you won't be talking about Ukraine. You're only talking about it now because you spend most of your life connected to a digital world that continuously feeds you a narrative that after a while you cannot help but to believe because there's no other choice when your reality is saturated with content that depicts a particular reality. You only care because it's thrown in your face. It's another fad and while everybody is enjoying feeling like they are involved in something, the foundations are laid for many many years of problems and decisions that are exactly what you don't want, if of course you are against war altogether and involvement in this situation.

It's a terrible situation. I think war is a terrible idea. I think Russia fucked up big time but I also think the West is probably one of the biggest culprits in worsening the situation by playing devils advocate and essentially seeking to continue funding the hostilities just because Putin is the 'bad guy', just like Russia as for a very long time been the 'enemy' of the West. And people virtue signalling are really supporting the problems, and not the solutions. All the 'Help Ukraine' stuff is ridiculous. Why? People never gave a shit about Ukraine before all this. But now people care? What about the many years of problems the country has had well before the dinosaur media started projecting pictures on your screens? Why weren't people begging to make a difference back then? Ah right, that's right, because people don't give a shit. People will support war with plants if they are brainwashed enough. People will support wars with Dr Evil weapons technology that doesn't exist and for a bearded man living in a desert who has a big red button to end the world. Then again let's not forget people also supported slavery, persecution and oppression of black people and attacking gay people. They also went on rampages in the name of God killing innocent people to prove their God was supreme. People built the Pyramids under duress of their supreme leaders. Much of our society is built on the silent majority who hold up the foundations of our society while being continuously fucked over.

But now people all of a sudden have awoken and truly want to rescue Ukraine? Come on now...

the ukraine situation is obviously very new to you
but it’s not new

so maybe you will be on to the next thing but I will not because I dont care about shit like it’s a fad

you complained about blm and prob. other shit I’ve forgotten so you probably blow through current issues and leave them in the dust therefore you assume everyone else must do the same

the whole..cheater thinks everyone cheats
liar thinks everyone lies thing
it’s classic projection


Russia has been fucking with Ukraine, Georgia, Donbras, Chechnya for 15yrs at least
if you don’t see that putin will not stop and will keep coming back to that region until he reclaims all of what he sees is the rightful territory of the soviet Union you are either uniformed or just plain gullible as shit

you keep talking about how corrupt Ukraine is (a trump talking point, a Russian propaganda point) they have definitely dealt with corruption but look at any government and you will see corruption
that is no excuse

like that could ever in a thousand years justify killing civilians killing children


there is no Good or bad? The west just thinks russia is the enemy
Fox News much?


i think you are the one connected to a digital world all day long and you just are saying it a bunch because thats your reality
I never hear anyone in real life say virtue signaling

 

[somnilicious]

Whataboutism

Besides...... I seem to remember quite a lot of dissent directed towards wars of Western aggression.

Doesn't change the fact that Russia has invaded a sovereign nation and is currently committing horrendous acts of civilian murder and absolute destruction, that most would consider war crimes. Yet we should be talking about what the West did right now??

Nah, sorry. Makes no sense....

but I'm sure that's what Russia would like us to be talking about sure would take the focus off their current atrocities.

 

[deficiT]

Besides...... I seem to remember quite a lot of dissent directed towards wars of Western aggression.

Doesn't change the fact that Russia has invaded a sovereign nation and is currently committing horrendous acts of civilian murder and absolute destruction, that most would consider war crimes. Yet we should be talking about what the West did right now??

Nah, sorry. Makes no sense....

but I'm sure that's what Russia would like us to be talking about sure would take the focus off their current atrocities.

People really act like the US doesn't get criticized constantly by people on both sides of the aisle through all of the wars and destruction.

Imagine thinking that people are only opposed to one country invading another sovereign nation and killing it's people en masse because they were victims of a "disinformation campaign".

 

[somnilicious]

People really act like the US doesn't get criticized constantly by people on both sides of the aisle through all of the wars and destruction.

Imagine thinking that people are only opposed to one country invading another sovereign nation and killing it's people en masse because they were victims of a "disinformation campaign".

Notice how all this is built towards sowing a distrust in all Western sources of information.

Meanwhile Russia does this....

Russia Inches Toward Its Splinternet Dream

For years, the country has been trying to create its own sovereign internet—a goal given new impetus by the backlash to its invasion of Ukraine.

www.wired.com

 

[-=SS=-]

Notice how all this is built towards sowing a distrust in all Western sources of information.

The West has done this to itself. 20 years of numerous wars and conflicts based on lies and hysteria, we have no moral leg left to stand on and our establishment has no right to trust at all from the public quite frankly. Actions speak louder than words, and yet again our actions are speaking for themselves.

Where is the West's effort to deescalate the situation? To strive for peace? None existent. We've been supplying "lethal aid" (weapons) for years now, and undoubtedly training them too via our military operatives and spooks. We've surrounded Russia with NATO and done nothing to bring them closer into the international community, whilst simultaneously allowing them to buy up expensive property in London and hide their money here.

Our double standards are bullshit. The West "wants democracy", which is just code for "we want our system to rule".. and by "our" I'm referring to the corrupt establishment and not a fair system for the people.

 

[Jabberwocky]

the west cannot de escalate the situation

how?

you cannot negotiate with nothing they tried

I say give them all the weapons and stop playing games about pass the plane

 

[-=SS=-]

the west cannot de escalate the situation

We could have, if we disbanded the CIA and MI6 prior to 2014.

Our establishment keeps dicking around in the internal affairs of other nations when it has no business in doing so. We're full of shit.

 

[imo_incolae]

The West has done this to itself. 20 years of numerous wars and conflicts based on lies and hysteria, we have no moral leg left to stand on and our establishment has no right to trust at all from the public quite frankly. Actions speak louder than words, and yet again our actions are speaking for themselves.

Where is the West's effort to deescalate the situation? To strive for peace? None existent. We've been supplying "lethal aid" (weapons) for years now, and undoubtedly training them too via our military operatives and spooks. We've surrounded Russia with NATO and done nothing to bring them closer into the international community, whilst simultaneously allowing them to buy up expensive property in London and hide their money here.

Our double standards are bullshit. The West "wants democracy", which is just code for "we want our system to rule".. and by "our" I'm referring to the corrupt establishment and not a fair system for the people.

We are a problem. Not the only problem but we are among the cause of much of the problems that exist, including ongoing conflicts and changes around the world built on bullshit and decades of lies.

People will cheer for dropping bombs on a Muslim in the desert but they will scream murder when someone else does the same. We will happily wear badges on Facebook supporting conflicts people are told is the West coming to rescue to fix the world but they won't seek to hold those very powerful entities accountable for their atrocities around the world that occurs on a daily basis nor will they wear badges for conflicts that aren't in the mainstream media and shoved down their throats.

Its weird because, this is the sort of stuff that brought around such wars like the war on drugs. Don't people realize their support for that war is what got us here today together having to hide behind online aliases to talk about our lifestyle choices?

Notice how all this is built towards sowing a distrust in all Western sources of information.

Meanwhile Russia does this....

Russia Inches Toward Its Splinternet Dream

For years, the country has been trying to create its own sovereign internet—a goal given new impetus by the backlash to its invasion of Ukraine.

www.wired.com

No-one is mentioning how the noose is tightening around the openness of the internet around the world, especially in Western countries let alone places like Russia. The internet is not the same it was not even a decade ago.

Basic things like privacy are severely compromised. You are essentially spied on wherever you go on the web. If you visit Google you'll be flooded with ads that know more about you than you do. If you visit one website the chances are trackers tied to all the others you have visited correlate your new history to your previous history. So don't pretend your Western version of digital freedom is fine. Its based on surveillance and control as its core. Most people live behind walled gardens controlled by the most powerful empires on the planet who have the capacity to control every aspect of your life and influence much of what you do. And they aren't relinquishing that any time soon as we have seen over the years with the big tech players having to answer for their actions.

I'm also not stating Russia is perfect. Putin is a crook just like any other leader on the world stage. People need to stop having such a child-like Disney fantasy view of the world thinking all the problems in the world can be explained so simply in terms of a romance story. That's what gets you logging into a drugs website because you've been forced into the shadows to talk about something you shouldn't have shame for talking about. The "reality" people think is real is actually the narrative that keeps them in bondage with failed social policies and never-ending narratives that stops real progress from happening. If you think the solution to these issues exist in the framework of the narrative you've been told you'll always be a victim.

 

[somnilicious]

We could have, if we disbanded the CIA and MI6 prior to 2014.

Our establishment keeps dicking around in the internal affairs of other nations when it has no business in doing so. We're full of shit.

That is the most naive thing I have ever heard. Disband the CIA and MI6..... Laughable!! That would be about the stupidest thing the West could ever do.

I'm skeptical of any self proclaimed Westerner calling for the disbandment of NATO, much less the CIA or MI6....lol.... Any so called Westerner that calls for the weakening of the West and attacks Western values is suspect in my book.