Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

[somnilicious]

We are a problem. Not the only problem but we are among the cause of much of the problems that exist, including ongoing conflicts and changes around the world built on bullshit and decades of lies.

People will cheer for dropping bombs on a Muslim in the desert but they will scream murder when someone else does the same. We will happily wear badges on Facebook supporting conflicts people are told is the West coming to rescue to fix the world but they won't seek to hold those very powerful entities accountable for their atrocities around the world that occurs on a daily basis nor will they wear badges for conflicts that aren't in the mainstream media and shoved down their throats.

Its weird because, this is the sort of stuff that brought around such wars like the war on drugs. Don't people realize their support for that war is what got us here today together having to hide behind online aliases to talk about our lifestyle choices?



No-one is mentioning how the noose is tightening around the openness of the internet around the world, especially in Western countries let alone places like Russia. The internet is not the same it was not even a decade ago.

Basic things like privacy are severely compromised. You are essentially spied on wherever you go on the web. If you visit Google you'll be flooded with ads that know more about you than you do. If you visit one website the chances are trackers tied to all the others you have visited correlate your new history to your previous history. So don't pretend your Western version of digital freedom is fine. Its based on surveillance and control as its core. Most people live behind walled gardens controlled by the most powerful empires on the planet who have the capacity to control every aspect of your life and influence much of what you do. And they aren't relinquishing that any time soon as we have seen over the years with the big tech players having to answer for their actions.

I'm also not stating Russia is perfect. Putin is a crook just like any other leader on the world stage. People need to stop having such a child-like Disney fantasy view of the world thinking all the problems in the world can be explained so simply in terms of a romance story. That's what gets you logging into a drugs website because you've been forced into the shadows to talk about something you shouldn't have shame for talking about. The "reality" people think is real is actually the narrative that keeps them in bondage with failed social policies and never-ending narratives that stops real progress from happening. If you think the solution to these issues exist in the framework of the narrative you've been told you'll always be a victim.

What???? A whole lot of assumptions being made in this post. That's a lot of nonsense that in no way relates to me. I'm very aware of the world's ugly realities and I also know just how much worse it could be. In no way is the West as censored as or less free than Russia. Nor are we currently attacking a sovereign nation, while slaughtering civilians. Nothing will ever change my mind in the condemnation of Russia nor make their actions right. Anybody trying to say we shouldn't speak out against Russia attacking Ukraine because we aren't perfect is a fool.

The very fact you are on the internet speaking out against American, UK or Western actions proves your point wrong and you can do that under your full name without fear of reprisals.

I could talk about drugs without fear on Facebook if I wanted. I see people do it all the time. Would I?? No...because I don't want perspective employers or my sweet mother to see it. I can smoke a damn blunt in front of the police station and city hall if I wanted. Never thought I'd see that day. A store in my city sells shrooms right out in the open. Noose's be damned.

 

[-=SS=-]

That is the most naive thing I have ever heard. Disband the CIA and MI6..... Laughable!! That would be about the stupidest thing the West could ever do.

I'm skeptical of any self proclaimed Westerner calling for the disbandment of NATO, much less the CIA or MI6....lol.... Any so called Westerner that calls for the weakening of the West and attacks Western values is suspect in my book.

Shows how much you know then doesn't it. The MI6 is about as British as HP Sauce and the CIA about as American as.. whatever the equivalent contextual example is.

Those entities specifically exist to interfere in the affairs of other nations internal politics. That's what they do. That's what the history shows unequivocally. They are the main tools of the powerful hidden interests of the West to exercise their geopolitical game playing i.e assassinations, regime change, industrial espionage, etc.

Calling for their disbandment would be a net positive to both our nations and the world itself. They are corrupt scum and always have been. It has nothing to do with disbanding the West or any of our values, because those institutions do not imbue those values we supposedly hold (and neither does our establishment generally).

Fuck the West. We can do better. I really don't understand people who hold on to antiquated notions about ourselves, that have been proved demonstrably false by recent history anyway, or conversely believe that integration with international institutions (UN, EU, etc) is the way forward. Where's the imagination? Where's the spirit? Do you really want yet another century of this bullshit bloodshed and flagellation? Because that's what we'll get if we continue on this path.

 

[somnilicious]

Shows how much you know then doesn't it. The MI6 is about as British as HP Sauce and the CIA about as American as.. whatever the equivalent contextual example is.

Those entities specifically exist to interfere in the affairs of other nations internal politics. That's what they do. That's what the history shows unequivocally. They are the main tools of the powerful hidden interests of the West to exercise their geopolitical game playing i.e assassinations, regime change, industrial espionage, etc.

Calling for their disbandment would be a net positive to both our nations and the world itself. They are corrupt scum and always have been. It has nothing to do with disbanding the West or any of our values, because those institutions do not imbue those values we supposedly hold (and neither does our establishment generally).

Fuck the West. We can do better. I really don't understand people who hold on to antiquated notions about ourselves, that have been proved demonstrably false by recent history anyway, or conversely believe that integration with international institutions (UN, EU, etc) is the way forward. Where's the imagination? Where's the spirit? Do you really want yet another century of this bullshit bloodshed and flagellation? Because that's what we'll get if we continue on this path.

I couldn't disagree more. Every nation has it's intelligence agencies and practices these same tactics and worse. Why don't we just disband our armies and send Putin, Kim Jung-Un and Khamenei fruit baskets while we're at it. Then we can all sing Kumbaya together. I guess I don't have enough imagination or spirit. Christ dude.... That ending sounded like the conclusion to an episode of Barney and friends. Cause God knows if the West were to simply lay down it's arms there would be peace and harmony in the grand new century of imagination land.... Fuck me.

 

[-=SS=-]

Why don't we just disband our armies and send Putin, Kim Jung-Un and Khamenei fruit baskets while we're at it. Then we can all sing Kumbaya together. I guess I don't have enough imagination or spirit.

You are mistaking national defense and intelligence agency operations. They are not the same. Disbanding the CIA is not the same as disbanding the armed forces that protects the sovereignty of a country. Intelligence agencies operate inside other countries, both friend and foe, and there is a tremendous blackhole of oversight to their operations. When the military conducts exercises, we know about it.. or if they go into hostile nations (war).

Look at the known declassified history of CIA operations within the USA. What the fuck does MK-Ultra have to do with defending our sovereignty? Or Mockingbird? Or any of the numerous scandalous operations they've conducted (that we know of).

You can't have peace when you have places for darkness to congregate. Whether it be MI6, CIA, Mossad, ISI, FSB, MSS..

 

[somnilicious]

You are mistaking national defense and intelligence agency operations. They are not the same. Disbanding the CIA is not the same as disbanding the armed forces that protects the sovereignty of a country. Intelligence agencies operate inside other countries, both friend and foe, and there is a tremendous blackhole of oversight to their operations. When the military conducts exercises, we know about it.. or if they go into hostile nations (war).

Look at the known declassified history of CIA operations within the USA. What the fuck does MK-Ultra have to do with defending our sovereignty? Or Mockingbird? Or any of the numerous scandalous operations they've conducted (that we know of).

You can't have peace when you have places for darkness to congregate. Whether it be MI6, CIA, Mossad, ISI, FSB, MSS..

It's part of every countries national defense. Come on... Get real. Naive.... I'm done with this conversation. This thread was originally about Russia invading Ukraine but for some strange reason it became an attack the West thread. Sorry your not convincing me that getting rid of our intelligence agencies is to our benefit. You can't have a military without intelligence agencies. Quit playing into their hands. Sounds like something Russian propaganda would say.

 

[imo_incolae]

What???? A whole lot of assumptions being made in this post. That's a lot of nonsense that in no way relates to me. I'm very aware of the world's ugly realities and I also know just how much worse it could be. In no way is the West as censored as or less free than Russia. Nor are we currently attacking a sovereign nation, while slaughtering civilians. Nothing will ever change my mind in the condemnation of Russia nor make their actions right. Anybody trying to say we shouldn't speak out against Russia attacking Ukraine because we aren't perfect is a fool.

The very fact you are on the internet speaking out against American, UK or Western actions proves your point wrong and you can do that under your full name without fear of reprisals.

I could talk about drugs without fear on Facebook if I wanted. I see people do it all the time. Would I?? No...because I don't want perspective employers or my sweet mother to see it. I can smoke a damn blunt in front of the police station and city hall if I wanted. Never thought I'd see that day. A store in my city sells shrooms right out in the open. Noose's be damned.

So you know if you live in the West that the West is responsible for most of the problems we have in the world.
That should be enough for you to at the very least challenge the narratives you are told to believe, when there's decades and decades of proven failed policies and lying.

It's great isn't that how we change broken policies, like the war on drugs and then start undoing all the damage caused? That's called progression. It's rich that you're parroting yet another narrative by your own government that brought in those very fucked up drug laws when on the other hand you are aware of how long it's taken for those drug laws to be undone, and yet you're STILL promoting agendas that very government is piping out without the realization of the consequences that can have! All it takes is a mass of people to say "Weed should be banned!" again and you're back to being thrown in jail for posession of pot. So be careful what you preach and whose narratives you push. Like that hasn't happened before. "We need to bomb Iraq", "We need to kill Saddam, that bastard!", "Now we need Osama!", "Now we need to make biology a myth and pretend like men can be women and women can be men!", "We need to lock everybody in their homes because a virus is going to kill us all!".

This is what happens. If you don't like it and you don't like how fucked up the world can be, maybe stop being a mouthpiece, or better still, a pawn, for the narratives that make the world a fucked up place?
And then we all can sit together and smoke a blunt. We all can sit and enjoy a world that actually makes sense and actually works better for us all. But as soon as those placards go up, the Facebook badges are 'worn' and the discourse dial turns to extreme on all the weaponized social media platforms, you kiss goodbye to that happening. Just remember it's taken 50 years for you to be able to smoke a blunt without being considered a lunatic and a criminal. To see mushrooms in your local shops has taken 50 years man. Just makes you think what prison sentence you are signing on for when you so much as mumble mainstream bullshit. Just because you can't see the prison around you doesn't mean it doesn't, or won't exist. The fact you recognize the world is fucked up says you do recognize the prison, or at least, the systems in place, that create that fucked up world. It doesn't exist by default though. It exists by choice and it's choices like yours that support those systems. You're supporting the stigmatization of drugs while at the same time promoting the use of drugs - to put it a certain way. You can't have both man. Understand your decisions and how they impact the goals you really want to see achieved. Understand the inherent illogical nature of your argument and how it defies not only common sense but rationality on all fronts.

If it's any consolation, I don't think anybody here wants a war in Ukraine. I don't that's for sure. And Putin is a world stage stooge just like any other.
We should be speaking out, but we should be speaking out within the context of the reality of the situations, and not from the Disney-esque reality created by airbrushed mouthpieces and just because you saw it written up in a box on a webpage and just because that box said 'X amount of people like this'. Being that simple is what gets us back to a time when mushrooms weren't available in your local store. Look at history if you don't believe me. At least for now anyway we still have history to guide us. Before long that will be erased and we will all be living with collective amnesia unable to process whether our history is real or not, right or wrong, up or down.

 

[-=SS=-]

Quit playing into their hands. Sounds like something Russian propaganda would say.

Lmao. If in doubt, call conspiracy theory. If in double doubt, blame the Russians.

Don't you ever get tired of the binary paradigm? Don't you ever look for the conciliatory explanations that take into account both sides of the story? The good vs evil routine is fucking banal Disney shit. Wake up.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Winnie the Poo is reluctant to even call it an "invasion."

 

[w01fg4ng]

^ Note to the mods, that's not off topic.

Our Ukrainian friend is still stuck and hasn't made it to Poland yet.

Our Russian friend who got exiled is now in Mexico. We are going to drive him across the border later this week.

 

[somnilicious]

So you know if you live in the West that the West is responsible for most of the problems we have in the world.
That should be enough for you to at the very least challenge the narratives you are told to believe, when there's decades and decades of proven failed policies and lying.

It's great isn't that how we change broken policies, like the war on drugs and then start undoing all the damage caused? That's called progression. It's rich that you're parroting yet another narrative by your own government that brought in those very fucked up drug laws when on the other hand you are aware of how long it's taken for those drug laws to be undone, and yet you're STILL promoting agendas that very government is piping out without the realization of the consequences that can have! All it takes is a mass of people to say "Weed should be banned!" again and you're back to being thrown in jail for posession of pot. So be careful what you preach and whose narratives you push. Like that hasn't happened before. "We need to bomb Iraq", "We need to kill Saddam, that bastard!", "Now we need Osama!", "Now we need to make biology a myth and pretend like men can be women and women can be men!", "We need to lock everybody in their homes because a virus is going to kill us all!".

This is what happens. If you don't like it and you don't like how fucked up the world can be, maybe stop being a mouthpiece, or better still, a pawn, for the narratives that make the world a fucked up place?
And then we all can sit together and smoke a blunt. We all can sit and enjoy a world that actually makes sense and actually works better for us all. But as soon as those placards go up, the Facebook badges are 'worn' and the discourse dial turns to extreme on all the weaponized social media platforms, you kiss goodbye to that happening. Just remember it's taken 50 years for you to be able to smoke a blunt without being considered a lunatic and a criminal. To see mushrooms in your local shops has taken 50 years man. Just makes you think what prison sentence you are signing on for when you so much as mumble mainstream bullshit. Just because you can't see the prison around you doesn't mean it doesn't, or won't exist. The fact you recognize the world is fucked up says you do recognize the prison, or at least, the systems in place, that create that fucked up world. It doesn't exist by default though. It exists by choice and it's choices like yours that support those systems. You're supporting the stigmatization of drugs while at the same time promoting the use of drugs - to put it a certain way. You can't have both man. Understand your decisions and how they impact the goals you really want to see achieved. Understand the inherent illogical nature of your argument and how it defies not only common sense but rationality on all fronts.

If it's any consolation, I don't think anybody here wants a war in Ukraine. I don't that's for sure. And Putin is a world stage stooge just like any other.
We should be speaking out, but we should be speaking out within the context of the reality of the situations, and not from the Disney-esque reality created by airbrushed mouthpieces and just because you saw it written up in a box on a webpage and just because that box said 'X amount of people like this'. Being that simple is what gets us back to a time when mushrooms weren't available in your local store. Look at history if you don't believe me. At least for now anyway we still have history to guide us. Before long that will be erased and we will all be living with collective amnesia unable to process whether our history is real or not, right or wrong, up or down.

Lmao. If in doubt, call conspiracy theory. If in double doubt, blame the Russians.

Don't you ever get tired of the binary paradigm? Don't you ever look for the conciliatory explanations that take into account both sides of the story? The good vs evil routine is fucking banal Disney shit. Wake up.

You can Laugh your ass off all you want. I didn't say anything about conspiracy theories nor did I say anything about Good or evil. I prefer to think of what's best for me and my country. Russia is not a friend. They have attacked our country through our social media and they are showing what they are more than capable of doing in Ukraine. Our intelligence agencies our vital in countering Russia. They would be more than happy to see NATO, the CIA and MI6 dismantled. Why should we do what benefits a hostile nation. There's nothing Disney about wanting to protect America.

 

[somnilicious]

So you know if you live in the West that the West is responsible for most of the problems we have in the world.
That should be enough for you to at the very least challenge the narratives you are told to believe, when there's decades and decades of proven failed policies and lying.

It's great isn't that how we change broken policies, like the war on drugs and then start undoing all the damage caused? That's called progression. It's rich that you're parroting yet another narrative by your own government that brought in those very fucked up drug laws when on the other hand you are aware of how long it's taken for those drug laws to be undone, and yet you're STILL promoting agendas that very government is piping out without the realization of the consequences that can have! All it takes is a mass of people to say "Weed should be banned!" again and you're back to being thrown in jail for posession of pot. So be careful what you preach and whose narratives you push. Like that hasn't happened before. "We need to bomb Iraq", "We need to kill Saddam, that bastard!", "Now we need Osama!", "Now we need to make biology a myth and pretend like men can be women and women can be men!", "We need to lock everybody in their homes because a virus is going to kill us all!".

This is what happens. If you don't like it and you don't like how fucked up the world can be, maybe stop being a mouthpiece, or better still, a pawn, for the narratives that make the world a fucked up place?
And then we all can sit together and smoke a blunt. We all can sit and enjoy a world that actually makes sense and actually works better for us all. But as soon as those placards go up, the Facebook badges are 'worn' and the discourse dial turns to extreme on all the weaponized social media platforms, you kiss goodbye to that happening. Just remember it's taken 50 years for you to be able to smoke a blunt without being considered a lunatic and a criminal. To see mushrooms in your local shops has taken 50 years man. Just makes you think what prison sentence you are signing on for when you so much as mumble mainstream bullshit. Just because you can't see the prison around you doesn't mean it doesn't, or won't exist. The fact you recognize the world is fucked up says you do recognize the prison, or at least, the systems in place, that create that fucked up world. It doesn't exist by default though. It exists by choice and it's choices like yours that support those systems. You're supporting the stigmatization of drugs while at the same time promoting the use of drugs - to put it a certain way. You can't have both man. Understand your decisions and how they impact the goals you really want to see achieved. Understand the inherent illogical nature of your argument and how it defies not only common sense but rationality on all fronts.

If it's any consolation, I don't think anybody here wants a war in Ukraine. I don't that's for sure. And Putin is a world stage stooge just like any other.
We should be speaking out, but we should be speaking out within the context of the reality of the situations, and not from the Disney-esque reality created by airbrushed mouthpieces and just because you saw it written up in a box on a webpage and just because that box said 'X amount of people like this'. Being that simple is what gets us back to a time when mushrooms weren't available in your local store. Look at history if you don't believe me. At least for now anyway we still have history to guide us. Before long that will be erased and we will all be living with collective amnesia unable to process whether our history is real or not, right or wrong, up or down.

I don't believe that the West is responsible for all the problems in the world. You say that as if it's a fact and it's not. Russia and other countries have their own multitude of atrocities. I don't exactly want all drugs to be legal and your argument is flawed. Even if I disagreed with the war on drugs I wouldn't want to do away with every aspect of our government. You don't throw out the baby with the bath water. I would much rather live under our government than most of the current world governments.

 

[somnilicious]

So you know if you live in the West that the West is responsible for most of the problems we have in the world.
That should be enough for you to at the very least challenge the narratives you are told to believe, when there's decades and decades of proven failed policies and lying.

It's great isn't that how we change broken policies, like the war on drugs and then start undoing all the damage caused? That's called progression. It's rich that you're parroting yet another narrative by your own government that brought in those very fucked up drug laws when on the other hand you are aware of how long it's taken for those drug laws to be undone, and yet you're STILL promoting agendas that very government is piping out without the realization of the consequences that can have! All it takes is a mass of people to say "Weed should be banned!" again and you're back to being thrown in jail for posession of pot. So be careful what you preach and whose narratives you push. Like that hasn't happened before. "We need to bomb Iraq", "We need to kill Saddam, that bastard!", "Now we need Osama!", "Now we need to make biology a myth and pretend like men can be women and women can be men!", "We need to lock everybody in their homes because a virus is going to kill us all!".

This is what happens. If you don't like it and you don't like how fucked up the world can be, maybe stop being a mouthpiece, or better still, a pawn, for the narratives that make the world a fucked up place?
And then we all can sit together and smoke a blunt. We all can sit and enjoy a world that actually makes sense and actually works better for us all. But as soon as those placards go up, the Facebook badges are 'worn' and the discourse dial turns to extreme on all the weaponized social media platforms, you kiss goodbye to that happening. Just remember it's taken 50 years for you to be able to smoke a blunt without being considered a lunatic and a criminal. To see mushrooms in your local shops has taken 50 years man. Just makes you think what prison sentence you are signing on for when you so much as mumble mainstream bullshit. Just because you can't see the prison around you doesn't mean it doesn't, or won't exist. The fact you recognize the world is fucked up says you do recognize the prison, or at least, the systems in place, that create that fucked up world. It doesn't exist by default though. It exists by choice and it's choices like yours that support those systems. You're supporting the stigmatization of drugs while at the same time promoting the use of drugs - to put it a certain way. You can't have both man. Understand your decisions and how they impact the goals you really want to see achieved. Understand the inherent illogical nature of your argument and how it defies not only common sense but rationality on all fronts.

If it's any consolation, I don't think anybody here wants a war in Ukraine. I don't that's for sure. And Putin is a world stage stooge just like any other.
We should be speaking out, but we should be speaking out within the context of the reality of the situations, and not from the Disney-esque reality created by airbrushed mouthpieces and just because you saw it written up in a box on a webpage and just because that box said 'X amount of people like this'. Being that simple is what gets us back to a time when mushrooms weren't available in your local store. Look at history if you don't believe me. At least for now anyway we still have history to guide us. Before long that will be erased and we will all be living with collective amnesia unable to process whether our history is real or not, right or wrong, up or down.

I'm curious which government you live under because you keep switching between your's and ours as if you can't make up your mind as to where you live?

 

[somnilicious]

^ Note to the mods, that's not off topic.

Our Ukrainian friend is still stuck and hasn't made it to Poland yet.

Our Russian friend who got exiled is now in Mexico. We are going to drive him across the border later this week.

Oh no!! Did your Russian friend have an opinion his government didn't like? I hope your Ukrainian friend stays safe.

 

[Conky]

Does the CIA still engage in drug trafficking??

 

[somnilicious]

Social media platforms on the defensive as Russian-based disinformation about Ukraine spreads

Kremlin-backed falsehoods are spreading across the world's largest tech platforms and putting the companies' content policies to the test.

www.politico.com

 

[somnilicious]

Does the CIA still engage in drug trafficking??

Did they ever traffic drugs? Turning I blind eye on the movement of drugs in a country in the middle of a civil war and for which the United States has no jurisdiction to make arrests is different than trafficking drugs.

 

[deficiT]

Social media platforms on the defensive as Russian-based disinformation about Ukraine spreads

Kremlin-backed falsehoods are spreading across the world's largest tech platforms and putting the companies' content policies to the test.

www.politico.com

Somni you wanna edit your OP and put like some kind of blurb with this for a bit of context? Whether it's your thoughts or an excerpt from the article, just so it's not standing on its own.

 

[somnilicious]

Somni you wanna edit your OP and put like some kind of blurb with this for a bit of context? Whether it's your thoughts or an excerpt from the article, just so it's not standing on its own.

Are you asking me? Because if so, not really. I figured I'd just put it out there and let others take it for what it's worth. If you're insisting for the sake of CEP I guess I can edit to say it's a Politico article about Russian propaganda on sociol media platforms but I just thought the article spoke for itself.

 

[deficiT]

Are you asking me? Because if so, not really. I figured I'd just put it out there and let others take it for what it's worth. If you're insisting for the sake of CEP I guess I can edit to say it's a Politico article about Russian propaganda on sociol media platforms but I just thought the article spoke for itself.

Not asking you to write a thesis. Just anything so that it's not just a thread with a link to an article, so that it has some stand alone merit as a topic and can better spark conversation.

 

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