Mental Health I'm lost because of coming legislation

Hey man, this might have been mentioned before I haven't read the whole thread, but have you ever considered memantine? It is an nmda antagonist/agonist/can'tremember and is similar to other dissociatives.

As far as I know it's still legal, should be in Mexico too. Not sure about supply there though, I'm sure you could hunt it down.

Only thing to note, is that in high doses it lasts a VERY long time, like a couple days if I recall correctly. I haven't tried it myself but have read good things. Could be something to look into, just read up on it before jumping into it.
 
Hey man, this might have been mentioned before I haven't read the whole thread, but have you ever considered memantine? It is an nmda antagonist/agonist/can'tremember and is similar to other dissociatives.

As far as I know it's still legal, should be in Mexico too. Not sure about supply there though, I'm sure you could hunt it down.

Only thing to note, is that in high doses it lasts a VERY long time, like a couple days if I recall correctly. I haven't tried it myself but have read good things. Could be something to look into, just read up on it before jumping into it.
I think it is possible to buy Memantine legally from nootropics/PED websites, you know websites that might have Bromantane, Noopept, Selank, SARMs etc.
 
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I think it is possible to buy Memantine legally from nootropics/PED websites, you know websites that might have Bormantane, Noopept, Selank, SARMs etc.
Yep, exactly. Not sure what that scene is like in Mexico but I'm almost positive it exists, there's got to be a demand for it.
 
What if the drug doesn't mess up your life....
But desiring a drug that helps you function & feel better.... Is that an addiction?
This, exactly. Are ADHD people addicted, for example? I believed this addiction stuff and it led me to exploring other drugs but it was never the same, I quit morphine myself because it just wasn't what I wanted but I have no doubts that for others it can be another drug, like diamorph in your case, which delivers this exactly-what-I-needed thingy. For me it is the dissociatives, I suspect some of them (specially methoxetamine + derivates) to be oxytocinergics, I never came to try oxytocin itself but that cuddly love sensation the drugs cause might fit well and I read that ketamine is dangerous in pregnancy because of that activity. Also autism spectrum disorder seems to react positively to oxytocin.

It's like I'm two personalities, one crippled introverted shy and one the opposite of that, with the manic dissociatives this can become dangerously different and people keep to tell me that I should stop, that they are afraid of what it does to me but fact is people who get to know me while on dissociatives like me more that way as long as they don't know so it boils down to that beloved war on drugs stuff and isn't suitable for judgement.

Yeah, long acting opioids were a failure, I even get hints of psychosis on them, specially retarded morphine but also bupe. Currently I'm using kratom, it's even a bit dysphoric in comparison to dissociatives and solves nothing about the social withdrawal (you might call it negative symptoms because cognition is affected as well, I'm struggling greatly to learn Spanish at the moment when English was almost easy in other times). Now we even have legal MXE derivates on the market but they are too expensive given my tolerance. I'm not sure whether I want to experience this state every now and then when I can't sustain it - best was not daily but maybe every second, alternating with a stimulant - another thing I can't get here in fucking Mexico, the doctors are afraid of nasty amphetamines.

What's BTH?

Yep, exactly. Not sure what that scene is like in Mexico but I'm almost positive it exists, there's got to be a demand for it.
Unfortunately no nootropic scene to speak of, I found one single vendor who re-sells USA stuff for expensive, probably they pay the customs for importing or do it in person, because ordering didn't work out for me, they wanted clearing paper shit. But memantine is indeed OTC here, I might try that again, but it's a long shot from memantine to MXE, it completely lacks that social component I love so much about MXE & co., it's quite 'empty' dissociation - this is good for withdrawing but doesn't provide much mood list, but it's a decent anxiolytic - yeah, thanks for the hint! Maybe I'm going to try memantine + d-amphetamine even when that will be a beast of stimulation when I can't sleep from memantine alone already so need to add something.

DXM unfortunately isn't it, I loved it as a teen and did lower plateaus 2-3 times a week, there was surprisingly little tolerance but nowadays it's a pure psychotomimetic for me, I begin to hear voices on it, something no other drug ever did to me. Weirdly enough this only happened after I was using opioids.
 
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This, exactly. Are ADHD people addicted, for example? I believed this addiction stuff and it led me to exploring other drugs but it was never the same, I quit morphine myself because it just wasn't what I wanted but I have no doubts that for others it can be another drug, like diamorph in your case, which delivers this exactly-what-I-needed thingy. For me it is the dissociatives, I suspect some of them (specially methoxetamine + derivates) to be oxytocinergics, I never came to try oxytocin itself but that cuddly love sensation the drugs cause might fit well and I read that ketamine is dangerous in pregnancy because of that activity. Also autism spectrum disorder seems to react positively to oxytocin.

It's like I'm two personalities, one crippled introverted shy and one the opposite of that, with the manic dissociatives this can become dangerously different and people keep to tell me that I should stop, that they are afraid of what it does to me but fact is people who get to know me while on dissociatives like me more that way as long as they don't know so it boils down to that beloved war on drugs stuff and isn't suitable for judgement.

Yeah, long acting opioids were a failure, I even get hints of psychosis on them, specially retarded morphine but also bupe. Currently I'm using kratom, it's even a bit dysphoric in comparison to dissociatives and solves nothing about the social withdrawal (you might call it negative symptoms because cognition is affected as well, I'm struggling greatly to learn Spanish at the moment when English was almost easy in other times). Now we even have legal MXE derivates on the market but they are too expensive given my tolerance. I'm not sure whether I want to experience this state every now and then when I can't sustain it - best was not daily but maybe every second, alternating with a stimulant - another thing I can't get here in fucking Mexico, the doctors are afraid of nasty amphetamines.

What's BTH?


Unfortunately no nootropic scene to speak of, I found one single vendor who re-sells USA stuff for expensive, probably they pay the customs for importing or do it in person, because ordering didn't work out for me, they wanted clearing paper shit. But memantine is indeed OTC here, I might try that again, but it's a long shot from memantine to MXE, it completely lacks that social component I love so much about MXE & co., it's quite 'empty' dissociation - this is good for withdrawing but doesn't provide much mood list, but it's a decent anxiolytic - yeah, thanks for the hint! Maybe I'm going to try memantine + d-amphetamine even when that will be a beast of stimulation when I can't sleep from memantine alone already so need to add something.

DXM unfortunately isn't it, I loved it as a teen and did lower plateaus 2-3 times a week, there was surprisingly little tolerance but nowadays it's a pure psychotomimetic for me, I begin to hear voices on it, something no other drug ever did to me. Weirdly enough this only happened after I was using opioids.
Even though the drugs we need are different, I relate so much to what you have said.

My mom even use to tell me she preferred being around me on heroin than she did when I was drunk. She'd even buy me heroin so that I wouldn't drink. lol

I use to get days on heroin & tramadol where I would just look in the mirror and be like "damn, (insert my name here) you look fuckin' hot today!".
I NEVER feel that confident in sober life.

I also use to get up and take care of shit on heroin/tramadol/opioids. Like cleaning the house, or going for hours long walks with my headphones just for the exercise and fresh air.
This is what I assume "normal" people who don't have major depression & anxiety feel like.
Doing these things while sober (or on shitty bupe) is a tedious task that makes me physically uncomfortable, to the point where I have stopped taking walks, stopped going on cleaning sprees, etc..

Heroin & tramadol also made me more romantic. I enjoyed cuddling & being affectionate with my partners on it. I bet oxytocin plays a role in that as well.
I've seen oxytocin for sale online. Apparently sales people use it when they go door to door to gain people's trust, etc... Not sure how true that is but it's what I've read.

I was a BETTER person heroin. And I truly believe that. It gave me the power to be who I truly was deep down. It allowed me to exercise. It allowed me to sleep. It allowed me to see myself in positive ways (you're beautiful, take care of your body, etc...)

I don't know any heroin dealers anymore and I refuse to get caught up in the legal aspects of it. It would only ruin my life. This prohibition on medicines has already ruined my life.
So I empathize with you plumbus, greatly.

I found kratom gave me dyspghoria as well. Not always but some times. I've noticed this with some opioids, that the experience can be dysphoric rather than euphoric.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the ratios in which the opiate/opioid binds to the 3 major receptors and their sub types.
I rarely had dysphoric experiences with heroin, except when my tolerance was low (puking, dizziness, constipation, etc..)
But I'll take these side effects over most side effects of antipsychotics & SSRI's.

BTH is short for black tar heroin.



Is memantine legal in the US? Does anybody know? What's it like & would anyone recommend it for depression/pain?


And yeah, I should have known better plumbus. I'm sure you've already tried the whole DXM thing before. It's a really messy drug.
I went on a 600mg DXM trip the other day after not doing one for almost 4 years. The trip took forever to come up and it mostly just felt like I had a stroke or something.
No enlightenment, no spiritual effects, just barely some antidepressant effects.
The only good thing that came out of it was a short-lived (or what felt like) tolerance reduction to my meds.
So I had a lovely next few days feeling good afterward, but it didn't take long for that to go away.
 
Did you ever try pharmaceutical morphine? I wonder how different it really is, always thought heroin was just a more potent version of it but there must be more differences. I also suspected arylcyclohexylamine dissociatives to have opioidergic effects, but on all subtypes, not just mu (some have - mostly negligible - affinity to mu, specially the 3-HO ones but these aren't my faves.) Bromadol was quite like you describe though, I always combined with some deschloroketamine which was cuddly fluffy alone but the bromadol potenciated that. Too sad it's not on the market anymore even though it wasn't banned but maybe too complicated to synth and/or too potent for these laymen vendors to handle it.. was the only opioid I ever really enjoyed. Morphine became a depressing sedative after a while.

I can only sign what you wrote. Methoxetamine allowed me to be my true self, instead of being bound down by inhibitions and thought loops. Was in much better shape, caring, outgoing.. disinhibited sometimes too much but the right dose and avoiding the high potency dissos would do it. I don't know what's is but as said I suspect oxytocin. Acute morphine effects are quite similar but also very different, but there might as well be oxytocinergic effects.
Doubt that salespeople use it but who knows. More people are doing drugs than most people believe imo. I'm not even sure whether intranasal oxytocin crosses the BBB and how good it is in doing so - the only indication is to induce birth and I found almost nothing about other uses besides some experiments where it reacted strangely, some became more aggressive to strangers etc. but it might have been placebo.. my hunch is that you need a prodrug or indirect agent like with most endogenous transmitters, they don't work when ingested in its pure form because the body recognizes and breaks them down before they become centrally active. The only one I know so far which works directly is melatonin but it had no effects whatsoever for me even at megadoses.

How was tolerance for you to heroin? Infinitely growing or plateauing?

Memantine is legal (almost:?) worldwide, few people actually know its potential and even fewer use it but I saw it for sale on nootropic webpages or from Russia for quite some money given how cheap the generics really are. So either the nootropics or you know a decent doc who prescribes it to you..

DXM was nice, but it turned against me, the only drug which did this in this intensity. It was heaven and now it is hell. Strangely enough that while I got some slight so-called positive symptoms from not sleeping and using dissociatives 24/7 but it always goes away with sleep but with DXM I can be fully rested and it gives me scary angry voices. Unfortunately I have to say because DXM will be around for longer and dirt cheap. :( I got panic attacks when using more than 600mg though because of its pronounced NRI activity but the afterglows were lovely. Trip one day, one week slowly fading afterglow. Must have been serotonergic and somehow I think that I burned something out by using so much DXM together with venlafaxine and other meds. I can't get anymore visuals, even 1cP-LSD worked only once, then it became a mentally disturbing agent without any recreative value. And I'm now dependent on antidepressants, I tried switching to fluoxetine and tapering so many times without success.. dissociatives would do it but memantine's not the right agent.
Low dose DXM (40-60mg) together with opioids is used medicinally though (in rare cases, as usual) to keep tolerance in check. At this dosages it shouldn't be psychotomimetic or dysphoric.

Will have to try it again though. Mexico sucks, they are the biggest drug corridor in the world or something like that but for the own people they leave nothing. In DNMs the only domestic product is DMT and that I can make myself if I want.

Curious about ibogaine. People report life-changing and persisting effects but it's prohibitively expensive and can kill you through arrythmias. I think my heart is too damaged, I have tachycardia since a bad batch of deschloroketamine on which I collapsed in a public bathroom after redosing - no pain though and I got out without help but ever since I have tachycardia. Even before that I had angina pectoris from over-using DXM + caffeine + methylphenidate, should have known better and used a beta blocker, I'm now using one but the damage is done. Will get my heart analyzed one day, I read there's a herb which can cure arrythmias - most herbs are placebo shit imo but there are some good exceptions..

I'm craving the experience of methoxetamine so much. Not the drug itself like with stimulants or opioids etc but the actual positive changes it did to me.
 
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My man, you are deeply confused. Using glacial AA on poppy pod extract, and that's better than east coast dope... and avoiding lab tests. Is that really the advice you want to give?

Also, yes, desiring a drug that is fucking up your life is *exactly * the definition of addiction
sure, let's call one a psychological addiction and the other a physical addiction, I concede that. yes I believe based on what i've read, cartels sold acetylated opium as black tar for years. yes I absolutely believe opium that i've grown myself is superior to any 20$ per point bags of dirt and pocket lint you can find anywhere on the east coast.
 
If it was just so easy - who of the users here has access to enough earth to grow a year's supply of poppies? And useless RCs, did you ever try MXE or one of the newer derivates? I agree that we don't need another cathinone but these dissociatives are fucking great, besides possessing proven, rapid and strong antidepressant qualities - at least in K, and if you tell me then just go for that - it's not the same, K is inferior in many aspects.

And while I indeed begin to see that part of it all was/is just another addiction, I will remain craving for dissociatives for a long time. Been through one year without and still same.
Shilajit mate. I gave a dose to a longterm not exactly "friend" in deed, another selfishself absorbed unreal weak dishonest poor version of a human but...schizophrenic a month ago.

He noticed a very positive calming, balancing, settling effect instantly.

He us addicted to heroin, on a 10 GBP daily, just scratching his itch once a day then agitated survival at mercy of the caring medicine prescribing and institutionalising system.

I had a very strong gut feeling, shilajit may work some wonders for him.

On the day, it really did. And this man, like you and I, has serious needs, on catch 22 terrain.

I think it's worth you trying.


I'm still reading through here. It's seriously intense living here. I'm high from hardship currently.

Just shaking up some Fijian kava atm. I really will go mad without the kava. It's damn hard work keeping this mind. It's all I can actually do, just need it to be more comfortable and less enduring.


And lol, fuck the new Troll.

66. Posessed, vacant consciousness basically.

Pay no notice. These type of people don't...posess....a mind! Bloody waste of space mr 66.
 
Shilajit mate. I gave a dose to a longterm not exactly "friend" in deed, another selfishself absorbed unreal weak dishonest poor version of a human but...schizophrenic a month ago.

He noticed a very positive calming, balancing, settling effect instantly.

He us addicted to heroin, on a 10 GBP daily, just scratching his itch once a day then agitated survival at mercy of the caring medicine prescribing and institutionalising system.

I had a very strong gut feeling, shilajit may work some wonders for him.

On the day, it really did. And this man, like you and I, has serious needs, on catch 22 terrain.

I think it's worth you trying.


I'm still reading through here. It's seriously intense living here. I'm high from hardship currently.

Just shaking up some Fijian kava atm. I really will go mad without the kava. It's damn hard work keeping this mind. It's all I can actually do, just need it to be more comfortable and less enduring.


And lol, fuck the new Troll.

66. Posessed, vacant consciousness basically.

Pay no notice. These type of people don't...posess....a mind! Bloody waste of space mr 66.
you attempting to call me a troll with that burnout speak?
 
you attempting to call me a troll with that burnout speak?
Attempting? No I think that was a success.

Burnout speak? It's just contextually unfathomable for you.

Be positive. Open. Encouraging. Not just an arse. Antagonising, aggressing.

Okay maybe you are like so many. Hurting. I'm sorry for that. I wish you no pain.

But you are being a jerk. Sincere and kind people like I know Plumbus to be, don't need such disrespectful patronisation and plain insensitive rudeness.

We got problems, looking for solutions.

We don't need trolls. That's all. Please don't be one, or learn some compassion and respect.
 
sure, let's call one a psychological addiction and the other a physical addiction, I concede that. yes I believe based on what i've read, cartels sold acetylated opium as black tar for years. yes I absolutely believe opium that i've grown myself is superior to any 20$ per point bags of dirt and pocket lint you can find anywhere on the east coast.
I'm sure your dope is good, and I'm all for being self reliant rather than depending on creepy ass cartel business. But sounds like you just needed a better east coast connection. Idk about now, but 10 years ago, it was far from unusual to get a $10 point that was 80% pure. The DEA records for that time/place that confirm this are all over If you want to spend the time digging. Used to love reading them and fantasizing
 
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