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Ethnobotanicals Worried about Papa Iboga

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Hello fellow Drug Enthusiasts

First off, I want to say R.I.P to MorningGlorySeed. This thread is very related to his and a few other people's passing that I just recently saw on here when @Xorkoth posted about it. Like many of you, I practically grew up reading MGS reports on Erowid and I'm sad that yet another great mind was lost. This issue has literally made me make an account on here because since my second Ibogaine flood (have now done 3), I have been worried that I severely pissed off the spirit of Papa Iboga and that he may even want to kill me which he assured me that he has the power to do.

I was in over 60 detoxes and well over 30 rehabs for my addiction (mostly heroin but also big time with benzos). I have not been back to one since my first flood. My first Ibogaine flood was absolutely beautiful. I was shown many memories of my childhood (specifically ages 6 to around 13 or 14 which was before I decided to pick up drinking and drugs). I was shown visions of multiple possible futures depending on which path that I decided to take. I can't even put into words how amazing it was. I was still somewhat of a novice with psychedelics at the time, at least in my opinion (mostly just LSD/mushrooms and idk if you count shooting up MDMA/methylone but also lot of that). After the initial fear of being sucked out of this realm and through a red tunnel to another world, I felt completely at peace for the first time in my life. Ibogaine puts you into R.E.M while being awake and it is quite difficult to accurately describe. It's kind of like the movie, "Inception" but with the presence of a spirit with you and you can't really control things, just react to them.

Anyway, I relapsed several months after my first flood because I went to my home area for the first time in years and still had a good chunk of friends alive that I could get into trouble with, at the time. This was in late 2016. I started shooting dope (H) again but I managed to put it back down for a while. I became somewhat obnoxious about Ibogaine and constantly made memes about bashing AA and conventional rehabs because I'd felt that I had been robbed all these years and the answer was always right there. I had developed quite a following through my junkie memes on Facebook at the time.

I did another flood about 9 months later and it was at a different place that didn't really prepare me as well. I was very lucky the first time to find someone who put a lot of effort into the pre treatment of Ibogaine which is massively understated IMO. The difference was night and day and I saw a lot of dark stuff, including me slaughtering thousands of people, although in retrospect they may have been representing my demons. It lasted twice as long (visions for about 10 to 12 hours, retrospect thinking stage was like another 16 to 20 hours). I had one particular vision that still sticks with me where these entities that were beams of light were trying to communicate telepathically with me. I had a lot of difficulty afterwards with sleeping and just overall feeling anything. This is where the pre treatment stuff comes in and makes a world of difference. My provider for the first and last flood is somewhat of an innovator in this regard. I started smoking weed right when I got back because I decided to work at this big music festival which was probably a mistake. I also did 2 seperate 3 night ayahuasca sessions as well this time and I smoked 5-MEO-DMT twice while I was there. Everything was after the Ibogaine. That combination of medicines, in no particular order, has become quite common down in Mexico with all of the Ibo places but I'm not sure if people should be doing all of that stuff while their body is still metabolizing massive amounts of noribogaine. I managed to stay off the hard stuff for close to 4 years with occasional slip ups with Kpins because I seem to attract any woman that is prescribed benzos lol. I had a pretty messy break up with my GF who was with me since a couple months after my first flood. The benzos did not help, of course. I used to think that finding women with benzo scripts was like a sixth sense but now I think it might just be a demon toying with me. Also, Ibogaine does not particularly help with benzos but I would highly recommend Ayahuasca if that is one of your issues as well.

In between floods 2 and 3, I also microdosed twice with HCL and TA. I relapsed again this past summer after suffering a concussion at work and really started spiraling downward with massive amounts of benzos and the bullshit fentanyl that has now replaced dope in the U.S. I am not really a fan of stabbing myself every 30 minutes, (or else I'd just shoot coke) so I just started on Suboxone again. I HATE fentanyl. I cannot understate it. It's killed most of my friends and it barely lasts long enough to smoke a cig and figure out what to do for the day before I have to do another shot.

Anyway, this last flood was done with the same guy as my first one. He switched up his protocol this time and I actually did a "half flood" first which was absolutely brutal. He also had me smoke 5-MEO-DMT which is where I had my ego death and he had me do Kambo on my first day. Both of those were done about 5 to 7 days before my flood. I was introduced to Kambo the previous year when I did another seperate 3 day Ayahuasca ceremony. Kambo is a good thing to do prior to Ibogaine to clean out your body and I actually volunteered to do it twice this time because of the suboxone and benzos lingering in my system. Papa Iboga was basically ripping the suboxone out of me during the half flood which I do appreciate, but the thing about Ibogaine is that it takes you from this realm into another one. Once I reach that other world, I am physically at peace at least. The transition, however, is very rough. I get the worst anxiety ever as my body can feel that my consciousness is exiting and I've already died twice from fentanyl and been Narcan'd back so I guess the feeling is somewhat familiar but that's another topic. The transition is not quite as smooth as 5-MEO-DMT is for me, although my 4th and last time with that I was also screaming that I was dying so there's that lol. Little ego death which I had on my 2nd flood as well but much more intense on the flood. During that flood, I basically accepted that I was dead and was reborn as a fish swimming through the stream of life. I felt myself connected to all living beings, past, present and future. It's hard to remember the rest because that flood was so long and at that point, I had entered a state where my entite existence was erased and I was watching life itself begin to blossom on Earth many different times through many different cycles and then also on other planets through different organisms and plants and things that I couldn't understand.

My last flood was very strange. I got the feeling that Papa Iboga had basically told me that he was done with me. He even left me alone in the astral realm for what felt like centuries and in a place that I can only describe as "purgatory". The fact that this spirit is there to guide you relieves a lot of anxiety for me but I really felt like he was just tired of my shit. The provider, who I have become very close with over the years, has tried to ensure me that these spirits do not think the way that we do and they don't hold grudges or give up on people but idk. Papa Iboga is known as that stern father figure but even my provider told me that he'd never heard of him just leaving someone alone like that.

Luckily, I'm back to tell the tale but after reading what some of you on here said about MGS and a few others, I'm worried. I just relapsed again recently on subs and benzos (fuck fent) but I've been able to not catch a habit so far. What I have NOT been able to do is sleep. I mean, at all! I've been up for days at this point and I feel like I haven't done nearly enough benzos yet for this to happen. I've even been off them for a couple weeks by now. Also, I have had full blown visions as if I was on Ibogaine the last couple of nights. Eyes rolling back into the head and 3rd eye activation. I thought that the Father was calling me back but now I'm not sure. I plan on microdosing with root bark soon but I am nervous about the spirit. Mother Ayahuasca has also taken me to some very dark places (including being possessed by a demon named "the Jester" and the Shaman had to perform an exorcism on me where I seized out violently and the Shaman was then put into a dark place and had to go somewhere alone to center himself again) but my last experience with the Mother was actually very beautiful. I've found that plant medicine in general can be very unpredictable, at least for me. I wouldn't recommend doing them without someone who is very experienced watching over you and I would never do Ayahuasca without a Shaman and the whole ceremony. You can open yourself up to different entities including angels and demons and they are very real. It felt as if they were battling during Ayahuasca. Their energy is very strong.

If you have read this far, then I appreciate it. I am new to this forum obviously, but I feel like I fit right in. I'm also willing to discuss Iboga/Ibogaine and give some insight if people want, however just note that I am still somewhat shook from the spirits at the moment. I have done quite a lot to piss them off, including making money off referring people to my buddy in Mexico which really seemed to irritate Papa. I also think he was mad at me for smoking weed on top of microdosing which was an experience in itself. Sometimes it would send me right into some full blown visions and sometimes I would just get really high. Either way, I needed very little weed. Usually just one hit. I apologize for my scrambled writing but I have just taken a piece of suboxone after 5 nights with 0 sleep at all and it's the first thing that I've taken in a while so I'm sure I'm all over the place with this.

Again, my last flood was done about 3 months ago. I have done 3 full floods, one half flood and microdosed twice which were both over the course of a couple months and I took several breaks as Ibogaine builds up in your system and noribogaine metabolizes very slowly and can stick around for months afterwards. I've noticed that the "afterglow" usually wears off for me at about 2 months depending on my diet and several other factors. I also relapsed on cigarettes recently and Ibogaine helps me immensely with that as well. I very much look forward to talking to you guys.
 
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Well this can and does happen with most psychedelics from what I’ve seen. They don’t like repeating themselves. It sounds like your familiar enough with how stern a teacher Iboga really is, I personally would be very cautious.

When was your last experience? How long back? It’s very possible the Noribogaine is still in there and every time you use it’s compounding the effects. I’ve heard of overdoses from folks not waiting long enough after a flood and using again only to die from whatever interaction takes place.

Btw welcome :)

-GC
 
Hello fellow Drug Enthusiasts

First off, I want to say R.I.P to MorningGlorySeed. This thread is very related to his and a few other people's passing that I just recently saw on here when @Xorkoth posted about it. Like many of you, I practically grew up reading MGS reports on Erowid and I'm sad that yet another great mind was lost. This issue has literally made me make an account on here because since my second Ibogaine flood (have now done 3), I have been worried that I severely pissed off the spirit of Papa Iboga and that he may even want to kill me which he assured me that he has the power to do.

I was in over 60 detoxes and well over 30 rehabs for my addiction (mostly heroin but also big time with benzos). I have not been back to one since my first flood. My first Ibogaine flood was absolutely beautiful. I was shown many memories of my childhood (specifically ages 6 to around 13 or 14 which was before I decided to pick up drinking and drugs). I was shown visions of multiple possible futures depending on which path that I decided to take. I can't even put into words how amazing it was. I was still somewhat of a novice with psychedelics at the time, at least in my opinion (mostly just LSD/mushrooms and idk if you count shooting up MDMA/methylone but also lot of that). After the initial fear of being sucked out of this realm and through a red tunnel to another world, I felt completely at peace for the first time in my life. Ibogaine puts you into R.E.M while being awake and it is quite difficult to accurately describe. It's kind of like the movie, "Inception" but with the presence of a spirit with you and you can't really control things, just react to them.

Anyway, I relapsed several months after my first flood because I went to my home area for the first time in years and still had a good chunk of friends alive that I could get into trouble with, at the time. This was in late 2016. I started shooting dope (H) again but I managed to put it back down for a while. I became somewhat obnoxious about Ibogaine and constantly made memes about bashing AA and conventional rehabs because I'd felt that I had been robbed all these years and the answer was always right there. I had developed quite a following through my junkie memes on Facebook at the time.

I did another flood about 9 months later and it was at a different place that didn't really prepare me as well. I was very lucky the first time to find someone who put a lot of effort into the pre treatment of Ibogaine which is massively understated IMO. The difference was night and day and I saw a lot of dark stuff, including me slaughtering thousands of people, although in retrospect they may have been representing my demons. It lasted twice as long (visions for about 10 to 12 hours, retrospect thinking stage was like another 16 to 20 hours). I had one particular vision that still sticks with me where these entities that were beams of light were trying to communicate telepathically with me. I had a lot of difficulty afterwards with sleeping and just overall feeling anything. This is where the pre treatment stuff comes in and makes a world of difference. My provider for the first and last flood is somewhat of an innovator in this regard. I started smoking weed right when I got back because I decided to work at this big music festival which was probably a mistake. I also did 2 seperate 3 night ayahuasca sessions as well this time and I smoked 5-MEO-DMT twice while I was there. Everything was after the Ibogaine. That combination of medicines, in no particular order, has become quite common down in Mexico with all of the Ibo places but I'm not sure if people should be doing all of that stuff while their body is still metabolizing massive amounts of noribogaine. I managed to stay off the hard stuff for close to 4 years with occasional slip ups with Kpins because I seem to attract any woman that is prescribed benzos lol. I had a pretty messy break up with my GF who was with me since a couple months after my first flood. The benzos did not help, of course. I used to think that finding women with benzo scripts was like a sixth sense but now I think it might just be a demon toying with me. Also, Ibogaine does not particularly help with benzos but I would highly recommend Ayahuasca if that is one of your issues as well.

In between floods 2 and 3, I also microdosed twice with HCL and TA. I relapsed again this past summer after suffering a concussion at work and really started spiraling downward with massive amounts of benzos and the bullshit fentanyl that has now replaced dope in the U.S. I am not really a fan of stabbing myself every 30 minutes, (or else I'd just shoot coke) so I just started on Suboxone again. I HATE fentanyl. I cannot understate it. It's killed most of my friends and it barely lasts long enough to smoke a cig and figure out what to do for the day before I have to do another shot.

Anyway, this last flood was done with the same guy as my first one. He switched up his protocol this time and I actually did a "half flood" first which was absolutely brutal. He also had me smoke 5-MEO-DMT which is where I had my ego death and he had me do Kambo on my first day. I was introduced to Kambo the previous year when I did another seperate 3 day Ayahuasca ceremony. Kambo is a good thing to do prior to Ibogaine to clean out your body and I actually volunteered to do it twice this time because of the suboxone and benzos lingering in my system. Papa Iboga was basically ripping the suboxone out of me during the half flood which I do appreciate, but the thing about Ibogaine is that it takes you from this realm into another one. Once I reach that other world, I am physically at peace at least. The transition, however, is very rough. I get the worst anxiety ever as my body can feel that my consciousness is exiting and I've already died twice from fentanyl and been Narcan'd back so I guess the feeling is somewhat familiar but that's another topic. The transition is not quite as smooth as 5-MEO-DMT is for me, although my 4th and last time with that I was also screaming that I was dying so there's that lol. Little ego death which I had on my 2nd flood as well but much more intense on the flood. During that flood, I basically accepted that I was dead and was reborn as a fish swimming through the stream of life. I felt myself connected to all living beings, past, present and future. It's hard to remember the rest because that flood was so long and at that point, I had entered a state where my entite existence was erased and I was watching life itself begin to blossom on Earth many different times through many different cycles and then also on other planets through different organisms and plants and things that I couldn't understand.

My last flood was very strange. I got the feeling that Papa Iboga had basically told me that he was done with me. He even left me alone in the astral realm for what felt like centuries and in a place that I can only describe as "purgatory". The fact that this spirit is there to guide you relieves a lot of anxiety for me but I really felt like he was just tired of my shit. The provider, who I have become very close with over the years, has tried to ensure me that these spirits do not think the way that we do and they don't hold grudges or give up on people but idk. Papa Iboga is known as that stern father figure but even my provider told me that he'd never heard of him just leaving someone alone like that.

Luckily, I'm back to tell the tale but after reading what some of you on here said about MGS and a few others, I'm worried. I just relapsed again recently on subs and benzos (fuck fent) but I've been able to not catch a habit so far. What I have NOT been able to do is sleep. I mean, at all! I've been up for days at this point and I feel like I haven't done nearly enough benzos yet for this to happen. I've even been off them for a couple weeks by now. Also, I have had full blown visions as if I was on Ibogaine the last couple of nights. Eyes rolling back into the head and 3rd eye activation. I thought that the Father was calling me back but now I'm not sure. I plan on microdosing with root bark soon but I am nervous about the spirit. Mother Ayahuasca has also taken me to some very dark places (including being possessed by a demon named "the Jester" and the Shaman had to perform an exorcism on me where I seized out violently and the Shaman was then put into a dark place and had to go somewhere alone to center himself again) but my last experience with the Mother was actually very beautiful. I've found that plant medicine in general can be very unpredictable, at least for me. I wouldn't recommend doing them without someone who is very experienced watching over you and I would never do Ayahuasca without a Shaman and the whole ceremony. You can open yourself up to different entities including angels and demons and they are very real. It felt as if they were battling during Ayahuasca. Their energy is very strong.

If you have read this far, then I appreciate it. I am new to this forum obviously, but I feel like I fit right in. I'm also willing to discuss Iboga/Ibogaine and give some insight if people want, however just note that I am still somewhat shook from the spirits at the moment. I have done quite a lot to piss them off, including making money off referring people to my buddy in Mexico which really seemed to irritate Papa. I also think he was mad at me for smoking weed on top of microdosing which was an experience in itself. Sometimes it would send me right into some full blown visions and sometimes I would just get really high. Either way, I needed very little weed. Usually just one hit. I apologize for my scrambled writing but I have just taken a piece of suboxone after 5 nights with 0 sleep at all and it's the first thing that I've taken in a while so I'm sure I'm all over the place with this.

Again, my last flood was done about 3 months ago. I have done 3 full floods, one half flood and microdosed twice which were both over the course of a couple months and I took several breaks as Ibogaine builds up in your system and noribogaine metabolizes very slowly and can stick around for months afterwards. I've noticed that the "afterglow" usually wears off for me at about 2 months depending on my diet and several other factors. I also relapsed on cigarettes recently and Ibogaine helps me immensely with that as well. I very much look forward to talking to you guys.
Why were you taking 5-MEO-DMT and Kambo with Ibogaine? Isn't it potentially dangerous to take other drugs with Ibogaine? Or would this even be necessary? Wouldn't the Ibogaine be enough on its own? Be very careful.
 
Well this can and does happen with most psychedelics from what I’ve seen. They don’t like repeating themselves. It sounds like your familiar enough with how stern a teacher Iboga really is, I personally would be very cautious.

When was your last experience? How long back? It’s very possible the Noribogaine is still in there and every time you use it’s compounding the effects. I’ve heard of overdoses from folks not waiting long enough after a flood and using again only to die from whatever interaction takes place.

Btw welcome :)

-GC
My last flood was just over 3 months ago. It may be possible that I still have some noribogaine in my system but if I do, it should be almost out by now. It's usually up to about 3 months for the noribogaine to leave, from what I've heard. Thank you for the welcoming.
 
Why were you taking 5-MEO-DMT and Kambo with Ibogaine? Isn't it potentially dangerous to take other drugs with Ibogaine? Or would this even be necessary? Wouldn't the Ibogaine be enough on its own? Be very careful.
I took the Kambo and 5-MEO-DMT about 5 to 7 days before the Ibogaine. The Kambo was pre treatment and used as a way to further detox myself beforehand. I can't imagine combining anything with a flood. I would never dream of doing it. I'm usually fully out of my body and experiencing visions before I've even finished fully dosing the Ibogaine. The crazy place that I did my second flood at also gave us our tester dose and then the rest of it about an hour later which shocked me. For my first and 3rd floods, I was gradually given doses. The first time they gave me 6 doses spread over about 4 hours and the last time they gave me 4 doses spread over 3 and a half hours. I'm not sure of the amount they gave me, but I think it was about 18 to 22 mg per kg. My second flood was insane and extremely overwhelming for a while. It was hard to even grasp what was going on for the first hour or 2 of the visions and possibly longer but since I was in a dream state, I'm not really sure of the timing.
 
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Why were you taking 5-MEO-DMT and Kambo with Ibogaine? Isn't it potentially dangerous to take other drugs with Ibogaine? Or would this even be necessary? Wouldn't the Ibogaine be enough on its own? Be very careful.
Oh yeah, the place where I did my second flood also did give me 5-MEO-DMT I think 3 days after my flood. I still had a shit load of noribogaine in my system, but I wasn't tripping anymore. I still hadn't slept though. That place is no longer operating by the way. I brought my original provider there to check it out and he was appalled. They were pretty risky with the way they treated people. They would at least take you to get an EKG but then they just give you the Ibogaine on your 3rd day there. I also think it's risky how most of the places down there give people ayahuasca a week or two after their floods because of all the noribogaine still in people's systems. Ibogaine breaks down very fast in the body but noribogaine lingers for months afterwards and especially after the first couple of weeks. It's what gives the "afterglow" effect. In retrospect, I think it had a pretty big effect on my ayahuasca ceremonies, but that's how most of the places do it down there. They can't keep people for months I guess. I think the two plants should be seperated to be honest.
 
That is a lot of floods, man. Morninggloryseed and another BLer (who were my mentors through my flood) both experienced disturbing experiences their second times and both died some months after. That alone is enough for me to know I will never do another flood for addiction. My flood was an incredible, life changing experience. I was clean from opiates for 5 years after it, and the 2 years right after were transformative for my life. But I really don't think its a good idea to keep doing it... especially so often. A flood dose is very hard on your body and heart.

I smoked just 10mg of DMT on the 5th day after my flood when the noribogaine was just absolutely coursing through me... it was extremely weird, very very intense and totally different from any other DMT trip I've had. It was not friendly, it was confusing and quite terrifying.
 
Hey,
I've done one and a half floods with TA and lots of microdosing with rootbark. I agree you can overdo it with Iboga. I'm still processing my first flood. It was 11 years ago, lol. Exactly, actually. You can see that as a bad thing, but I choose to see it in a positive light--I am still growing from such an intense experience.

Nevertheless, as amazing and beautiful as Iboga can be, I have learned that it can be a bit too heavy. Most people gravitate toward the uplifting tryptamines and phenethylamines, and for good reason. It's one thing to throw your will out the window and surrender to the all-encompassing experience of Iboga. In a way, that can be seen as EASIER than learning to navigate the more uplifting psychedelics, which teach you more about how to be happy and stay happy. Iboga throws a lot of *meaning* at you, which can be very useful if your life is feeling meaningless.

But if you've got the message, hang up the phone and go have fun with the messages you have now. Celebrate your life. I get the sense that you are very hard on yourself, and your recent slip ups are a good excuse to beat yourself up. In the end, that's a waste of time. I encourage you to let go of your self-judgments and your fears. Iboga can exacerbate that self-ridicule, in my experience.

If you still need help from psychedelics to stay clean, I encourage you to seek other plants and fungi for advice.

And eat your greens.
 
That is a lot of floods, man. Morninggloryseed and another BLer (who were my mentors through my flood) both experienced disturbing experiences their second times and both died some months after. That alone is enough for me to know I will never do another flood for addiction. My flood was an incredible, life changing experience. I was clean from opiates for 5 years after it, and the 2 years right after were transformative for my life. But I really don't think its a good idea to keep doing it... especially so often. A flood dose is very hard on your body and heart.

I smoked just 10mg of DMT on the 5th day after my flood when the noribogaine was just absolutely coursing through me... it was extremely weird, very very intense and totally different from any other DMT trip I've had. It was not friendly, it was confusing and quite terrifying.
Yeah, I tend to overdo things and that does not mix well with Ibogaine. I'm really sorry to hear about your friends. They are the reason that I decided to make this account and post this because my 2nd flood was so dark and kind of traumatic honestly. I am glad that I did a 3rd one even though Papa Iboga basically started to block my visions about halfway through. The trips and visions are just one part of it for me. The biggest part is how it resets your receptors and how great I always feel afterwards, although it took over a week the second time. With proper preparation, even the worst of opiate addicts can feel like a new person just a day or 2 later. I've seen it with others and experienced it myself.

What are your thoughts on me microdosing this soon? I already ordered the root bark and it is on its way but I am starting to think that I might need to wait a little bit before doing it. It's been about 3 and a half months since my last flood. I keep going back to Iboga because I don't know of anything else on this Earth that can make me start to live my life without even thinking about opiates. Immediately after my 2nd and 3rd floods, I said that I would never touch the stuff again but after a few months, I always seem to crash back to reality and I am going to die if I keep messing with opiates.
 
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Hey,
I've done one and a half floods with TA and lots of microdosing with rootbark. I agree you can overdo it with Iboga. I'm still processing my first flood. It was 11 years ago, lol. Exactly, actually. You can see that as a bad thing, but I choose to see it in a positive light--I am still growing from such an intense experience.

Nevertheless, as amazing and beautiful as Iboga can be, I have learned that it can be a bit too heavy. Most people gravitate toward the uplifting tryptamines and phenethylamines, and for good reason. It's one thing to throw your will out the window and surrender to the all-encompassing experience of Iboga. In a way, that can be seen as EASIER than learning to navigate the more uplifting psychedelics, which teach you more about how to be happy and stay happy. Iboga throws a lot of *meaning* at you, which can be very useful if your life is feeling meaningless.

But if you've got the message, hang up the phone and go have fun with the messages you have now. Celebrate your life. I get the sense that you are very hard on yourself, and your recent slip ups are a good excuse to beat yourself up. In the end, that's a waste of time. I encourage you to let go of your self-judgments and your fears. Iboga can exacerbate that self-ridicule, in my experience.

If you still need help from psychedelics to stay clean, I encourage you to seek other plants and fungi for advice.

And eat your greens.
I overdo everything but this plant definitely does not like that. He feels like you're abusing him. I know what you mean, I still have epiphanies and even dreams about my first flood which was over 5 years ago now. I do feel like I would already be dead if I hadn't made the decision to do that first flood and I saw many visions of futures where I overdosed on heroin and was not brought back.

Iboga is very taxing on the mind and body. However, the reason that I keep coming back to it is because I haven't found or heard of anything else that works so well specifically with opiod/opiate addicts and our brain chemistry. You're definitely right about me being hard on myself. I'm even beating myself up just for picking up cigarettes again and it makes sense that someone like me would continue to do Iboga/Ibogaine because of its tough love approach and how harsh the lessons can be.

So what are your thoughts on me microdosing with root bark? Should I wait a little bit longer? It's been about 3 and a half months since my flood. I chose root bark this time because I feel like the 12 other alkaloids are often overlooked. I have read that it can actually be safer on your heart too because they can kind of counteract the Ibogaine and make it a little less intense while also working with brain chemistry in a similar way. I am very early on here as I have only taken a piece of a suboxone a couple of times and benzos a couple of times and would like to stop this before it gets out of hand. It's hard for me to even get high after these experiences. I know that it is not right. Even cigarettes seem to be affecting me a lot more but that is also probably because I quit for a few months. Thank you for sharing your experience. I was in and out of rehabs for nearly a decade of my life but it is hard for me to find people who can relate on Ibogaine experiences.
 
Yeah, I tend to overdo things and that does not mix well with Ibogaine. I'm really sorry to hear about your friends. They are the reason that I decided to make this account and post this because my 2nd flood was so dark and kind of traumatic honestly. I am glad that I did a 3rd one even though Papa Iboga basically started to block my visions about halfway through. The trips and visions are just one part of it for me. The biggest part is how it resets your receptors and how great I always feel afterwards, although it took over a week the second time. With proper preparation, even the worst of opiate addicts can feel like a new person just a day ot 2 later. I've seen it with others and experienced it myself.

What are your thoughts on me microdosing this soon? I already ordered the root bark and it is on it's way but I am starting to think that I might need to wait a little bit before doing it. I keep going back to Iboga because I don't know of anything else on this Earth that can make me start to live my life without even thinking about opiates. Immediately after 2nd and 3rd floods, I said that I would never touch the stuff again but after a few months, I always seem to crash back to reality and I am going to die if I keep messing with opiates.
Worst part for me was after the floods.Not Paws which first time were alwful.Never felt such sorrow without clearly reasone.(the flood was succesful and detox almost complete at that time.Everybody talks how they are feel amazing on the second or the third day...there were days of grief,pain and sorrow.....about the world.,the people...Microdosing with TA was always not easy.Too often and start to clenching the jaws and always errected.The batch could be unpredictably strong,so hard to adjust everytime my dose.more to fungi and cacti 🌵 for MD,but yeah Iboga stands high among master teacher plants.
 
Worst part for me was after the floods.Not Paws which first time were alwful.Never felt such sorrow without clearly reasone.(the flood was succesful and detox almost complete at that time.Everybody talks how they are feel amazing on the second or the third day...there were days of grief,pain and sorrow.....about the world.,the people...Microdosing with TA was always not easy.Too often and start to clenching the jaws and always errected.The batch could be unpredictably strong,so hard to adjust everytime my dose.more to fungi and cacti 🌵 for MD,but yeah Iboga stands high among master teacher plants.
That's how I felt after my 2nd flood and pretty much how everybody at that place was. Some said they were even still dopesick. Preperation for a flood is huge. My provider didn't give me it until I was there for 3 weeks the first time. I had to get a ton of Gabapentin out of my system and a bunch of other, what I like to call "rehab drugs". He had me do coffee enemas and IV vitamins every day for 3 weeks. I went outside and played basketball every day. I was on an IV morphine taper for the 3 weeks. I did reiki sessions and a bunch of other stuff. I had been addicted to opiates for nearly a decade at that point and I slept not even 24 hours after the flood. This guy really is a pioneer when it comes to pre treatment for Ibogaine and he is still tweaking his methods. He now gives Kambo about a week before as well.

I remember the stimulant effect from my last microdosings. I was planning on doing it every 4 days and starting small with around 300mg of root bark. It has been about 3 and a half months since my last flood and I feel like the noribogaine is out of my system because the afterglow was gone about a month ago.
 
That's how I felt after my 2nd flood and pretty much how everybody at that place was. Some said they were even still dopesick. Preperation for a flood is huge. My provider didn't give me it until I was there for 3 weeks the first time. I had to get a ton of Gabapentin out of my system and a bunch of other, what I like to call "rehab drugs". He had me do coffee enemas and IV vitamins every day for 3 weeks. I went outside and played basketball every day. I was on an IV morphine taper for the 3 weeks. I did reiki sessions and a bunch of other stuff. I had been addicted to opiates for nearly a decade at that point and I slept not even 24 hours after the flood. This guy really is a pioneer when it comes to pre treatment for Ibogaine and he is still tweaking his methods. He now gives Kambo about a week before as well.

I remember the stimulant effect from my last microdosings. I was planning on doing it every 4 days and starting small with around 300mg. It has been about 3 and a half months since my last flood and I feel like the noribogaine is out of my system because the afterglow was gone about a month ago.
For rootbark 300mg is ok.My md with rootbark was in between 200-500mg.TA-50-100mg.Some "curanderos"even dont accept people addicted to gabas or benzos.Better to be also on short acting opioid for some time and on possible low dose(if you have such addictions).Many alcoholics use this too for detox.This stuff indeed bring visions from the future.Saw a huge burning cathedral first time.The other day still dazed put a TV and see how Notre Dam de Paris is burning.Strange indeed......
 
For rootbark 300mg is ok.My md with rootbark was in between 200-500mg.TA-50-100mg.Some "curanderos"even dont accept people addicted to gabas or benzos.Better to be also on short acting opioid for some time and on possible low dose(if you have such addictions).Many alcoholics use this too for detox.This stuff indeed bring visions from the future.Saw a huge burning cathedral first time.The other day still dazed put a TV and see how Notre Dam de Paris is burning.Strange indeed......
That's a good point about anticipating batch strength. Maybe I'll start with 200mg even. Yeah, Ayahuasca is a much better solution for benzo addiction. Xanax/Klonopin was my first addiction and I had two grand mal seizures trying to get off of them but it has been a long time since I've been physically dependent on benzos. However, benzos do always seem to be the first thing that I relapse on. Ayahuasca showed me memories from my benzo blackouts and they were not pretty.

The visions of the future are so bizarre. A lot of them were dependent on certain decisions that I made and when I would change my thinking, the visions would change. I've also had pre cognitive dreams in the past where I dreamed about something happening and then a few years later it did.
 
That's a good point about anticipating batch strength. Maybe I'll start with 200mg even. Yeah, Ayahuasca is a much better solution for benzo addiction. Xanax/Klonopin was my first addiction and I had two grand mal seizures trying to get off of them but it has been a long time since I've been physically dependent on benzos. However, benzos do always seem to be the first thing that I relapse on. Ayahuasca showed me memories from my benzo blackouts and they were not pretty.

The visions of the future are so bizarre. A lot of them were dependent on certain decisions that I made and when I would change my thinking, the visions would change. I've also had pre cognitive dreams in the past where I dreamed about something happening and then a few years later it did.
Some strange feeling,that to some point you got to control your dreams.Ego sissolution and neardeath experience,summon the past hidden memories.The root has his own unique qualities.Something between diso and true triptamin may be.And is very very potent.Native folks there tell that very experience nganga(priest),must prepare the exact ingested amount to see bwiti(huge dose) or you can die easily.There are tragic events even there.
 
Some strange feeling,that to some point you got to control your dreams.Ego sissolution and neardeath experience,summon the past hidden memories.The root has his own unique qualities.Something between diso and true triptamin may be.And is very very potent.Native folks there tell that very experience nganga(priest),must prepare the exact ingested amount to see bwiti(huge dose) or you can die easily.There are tragic events even there.
Yeah, I chose the root this time to get an equal distribution of all the alkaloids as they are naturally presented. I plan on listening to some Bwiti music each day that I microdose too. I've read that it helps balance out your brain chemistry while on it. When they played the Bwiti music for me during my 1st and 3rd floods, they visited me and during the last one they were bouncing my soul around in the air to the music lol. Idk if I saw Bwiti, but I did see an old African man in the forest with a big white beard and piercing eyes on my first flood. Back then, they refered to him as Papa Iboga but afterward, I read about Bwiti and the original ancestor. I gave up on trying to figure everything out from my floods and learned that it will come naturally when it is meant to.
 
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Yeah, I chose the root this time to get an equal distribution of all the alkaloids as they are naturally presented. I plan on listening to some Bwiti music each day that I microdose too. I've read that it helps balance out your brain chemistry while on it. When they played the Bwiti music for me during my 1st and 3rd floods, they visited me and during the last one they were bouncing my soul around in the air to the music lol. Idk if I saw Bwiti, but I did see an old African man in the forest with a big white beard and piercing eyes on my first flood. Back then, they refered to him as Papa Iboga but afterward, I read about Bwiti and the original ancestor. I gave up on trying to figure everything out from my floods and learned that it will come naturally when it is meant to.
I was listening half of the time music too:some collection with ambient,orthodox singing and so on.this music led me through the trip
 
Some strange feeling,that to some point you got to control your dreams.Ego sissolution and neardeath experience,summon the past hidden memories.The root has his own unique qualities.Something between diso and true triptamin may be.And is very very potent.Native folks there tell that very experience nganga(priest),must prepare the exact ingested amount to see bwiti(huge dose) or you can die easily.There are tragic events even there.

Some strange feeling,that to some point you got to control your dreams.Ego sissolution and neardeath experience,summon the past hidden memories.The root has his own unique qualities.Something between diso and true triptamin may be.And is very very potent.Native folks there tell that very experience nganga(priest),must prepare the exact ingested amount to see bwiti(huge dose) or you can die easily.There are tragic events even there.
What do Central African pygmies and other tribes think of Westerners taking Ibogaine? What do those tribes say about Ibogaine taking a male presence, showing people other realities, and seeing Centuries old ancestors the way Original Poster and others who have taken it have described?

I found this on wiki, it must have been a low or moderate dose?

French explorers in turn learned of it from the Bwiti tribe and brought ibogaine back to Europe in 1899–1900, where it was subsequently marketed in France as a stimulant under the trade name Lambarène.
 
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What do Central African pygmies and other tribes think of Westerners taking Ibogaine? What do those tribes say about Ibogaine taking a male presence, showing people other realities, and seeing Centuries old ancestors the way Original Poster and others who have taken it have described?

I found this on wiki, it must have been a low or moderate dose?

French explorers in turn learned of it from the Bwiti tribe and brought ibogaine back to Europe in 1899–1900, where it was subsequently marketed in France as a stimulant under the trade name Lambarène.
There are different sects of the Bwiti tribes throughout Gabon and Cameroon and possibly a few other countries. The word "Bwiti" actually loosely translates to "ancestor" or "dead". They use large amounts of Iboga with their own people as a coming of age ritual called the "Rite of Passage" and one of the uses is to speak with their ancestors. They also talk about seeing visions of the past and future. Much of my visions during my floods made little or no sense to me at the time and I started to piece it together in the months or even years after, including my 2nd flood when I was living someone else's memories. At the time I thought it was from a past life but after talking to my dad about a year later, we think that it was the memories of my great uncle who was a Prisoner of War during WW2. Much of what I have pieced together from my floods started to make more sense when I read about the Bwiti and their traditions. There is an old forum that I found on mindvox.com called the "Ibogaine List" that some Bwiti members actually commented on in French. The forum seems to have ended in 2006. I actually have a friend who traveled to Gabon and did an Iboga ritual with them along with a couple other Westerners. There is an organization set up to specifically help Westerners to travel there and do rituals. Their general attitude seems to be supportive of Westerners doing it as long as they don't threaten the further cultivation and supply of the plant. They also stress the importance of listening to the Bwiti music during it.

Lambarène was in extremely small doses of about 5 to 8 mg. In small doses, Ibogaine does work as a stimulant but it will start to accumulate in the body through noribogaine. France has since made it illegal since 1967.
 
There are different sects of the Bwiti tribes throughout Gabon and Cameroon and possibly a few other countries. The word "Bwiti" actually loosely translates to "ancestor" or "dead". They use large amounts of Iboga with their own people as a coming of age ritual called the "Rite of Passage" and one of the uses is to speak with their ancestors. They also talk about seeing visions of the past and future. Much of my visions during my floods made little or no sense to me at the time and I started to piece it together in the months or even years after, including my 2nd flood when I was living someone else's memories. At the time I thought it was from a past life but after talking to my dad about a year later, we think that it was the memories of my great uncle who was a Prisoner of War during WW2. Much of what I have pieced together from my floods started to make more sense when I read about the Bwiti and their traditions. There is an old forum that I found on mindvox.com called the "Ibogaine List" that some Bwiti members actually commented on in French. The forum seems to have ended in 2006. I actually have a friend who traveled to Gabon and did an Iboga ritual with them along with a couple other Westerners. There is an organization set up to specifically help Westerners to travel there and do rituals. Their general attitude seems to be supportive of Westerners doing it as long as they don't threaten the further cultivation and supply of the plant. They also stress the importance of listening to the Bwiti music during it.

Lambarène was in extremely small doses of about 5 to 8 mg. In small doses, Ibogaine does work as a stimulant but it will start to accumulate in the body through noribogaine. France has since made it illegal since 1967.
In small doses iboga extract is most powerful aphrodisiac i have tried.Constantly errected and wanted sex.The bwiti church meetings usualy are held at every Saturday night in local bwiti church.The messa includes all night dancing and singing,when small amount of root are ingested.Rites of passage are held usualy when a boy becomes a man and include flood dose-over 50 g bark sometimes.In case of malaise also had ritual often with ritual bathing before and after the session.Lambarene was initially prescribed like tonic for mental and physical weakness in tabl.consist 5mg ibogaine each,but first was banned by olympical comitee,cause is doping(bycicle racers use it a lot in the beginning of the century.Its still banned substance for athletes.
 
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