MDMA after Mephedrone (4-MMC)

[ItsAFunThing]

Hey folks,
I've been reading quite a bit of reports on Mephedrone since it's very popular in my area and so far my conclusion is that it's not that interesting in "safe and responsible" ROAs/doses and the fun only really starts when you have a couple Gs to go through overnight.
I'm still curious, however, if consuming Mephedrone leaves any impact on the brain that causes MDMA to have a decreased effect with future use? Does it cause the loss of magic or permatolerance? From a broscience point it definitely should since it stimulates the receptors way more,but that's a baseless assumption.
Does anyone have experience with both (I'm sure there's at least one guy here lmao) that can share some insights?

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Hey folks,
I've been reading quite a bit of reports on Mephedrone since it's very popular in my area and so far my conclusion is that it's not that interesting in "safe and responsible" ROAs/doses and the fun only really starts when you have a couple Gs to go through overnight.
I'm still curious, however, if consuming Mephedrone leaves any impact on the brain that causes MDMA to have a decreased effect with future use? Does it cause the loss of magic or permatolerance? From a broscience point it definitely should since it stimulates the receptors way more,but that's a baseless assumption.
Does anyone have experience with both (I'm sure there's at least one guy here lmao) that can share some insights?

Prepare for brain zaps for days afterwards depending on doses (MDMA after meph), not fun and I'd recommend waiting a couple weeks at least.
Don't think the MDMA would be blunted that much, but it depends on how much mephedrone you did. Most people don't just do 1 dose of mephedrone. Don't know about loss of magic, permatolerance seems unlikely though.

You really don't need more than 2 grams of mephedrone, and even that's quite a bit. It's terrible for your heart and body in general.
The fun starts with quite high doses but if you make it like a 16-24 hour or longer binge then it's just a disgusting fiendish affair, that you're much better off cutting short and keeping the rest for some other time (if possible, these are difficult drugs to save for extended periods of time).
My opinion ofc....

 

[arrall]

I'd disagree with the idea that you need a 'couple g' in a night to have fun. I certainly don't think that the feeling afterwards would be at all fun. I'd suggest you try starting with 2-3 doses in a night max. And after using a couple doses of 4MMC, wait at least a week (and preferably 2-4) before doing MDMA. If you're going on a binge like that and doing more than 0.5g in a night, definitely wait over a month before doing MDMA to let your brain recover. I don't have personal experience with 3/4MMC (planning to indulge soon), but this is just what I know from speaking with many users and reading up a bit on the pharmacology and neurological impact of mephedrone.

 

[Phobos]

I'd disagree with the idea that you need a 'couple g' in a night to have fun. I certainly don't think that the feeling afterwards would be at all fun. I'd suggest you try starting with 2-3 doses in a night max. And after using a couple doses of 4MMC, wait at least a week (and preferably 2-4) before doing MDMA. If you're going on a binge like that and doing more than 0.5g in a night, definitely wait over a month before doing MDMA to let your brain recover. I don't have personal experience with 3/4MMC (planning to indulge soon), but this is just what I know from speaking with many users and reading up a bit on the pharmacology and neurological impact of mephedrone.

It is incredibly moreish.
You may handle yourself better than me, but the rush is so strong, it's hard to not want to keep it going, and you kinda can keep it going for a few hours.
In my experience it's easy to fall asleep a few hours after last dose, and it did not cause any comedown or brain zaps after using 10g in a week.
Vaping it is kind of a waste IMHO, it doesn't feel as good as snorted and I would just fixate on vaping, cleaning the pipe and vaping again.

 

[arrall]

It is incredibly moreish.
You may handle yourself better than me, but the rush is so strong, it's hard to not want to keep it going, and you kinda can keep it going for a few hours.
In my experience it's easy to fall asleep a few hours after last dose, and it did not cause any comedown or brain zaps after using 10g in a week.
Vaping it is kind of a waste IMHO, it doesn't feel as good as snorted and I would just fixate on vaping, cleaning the pipe and vaping again.

I haven't tried it yet so no clue how I'll handle it. Very surprised that you did not have any comedown from that much but glad to hear it. I'm just picking up a gram to try as it's quite expensive due to the NL ban.
I think snorting and oral (if you want more of a slow, less fiendish, MDMA-type-trip and you're okay wasting some due to low bioavailability) are the only viable RoAs with this one.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

It is incredibly moreish.
You may handle yourself better than me, but the rush is so strong, it's hard to not want to keep it going, and you kinda can keep it going for a few hours.
In my experience it's easy to fall asleep a few hours after last dose, and it did not cause any comedown or brain zaps after using 10g in a week.
Vaping it is kind of a waste IMHO, it doesn't feel as good as snorted and I would just fixate on vaping, cleaning the pipe and vaping again.

I didn't have 10 grams at the time (more like 4-5g), but I stupidly took a bunch of MDMA the day after it was gone at some club night, went on holiday on Monday and was experiencing very frequent brain zaps for at least a week. It was bad. Not saying it's a guarantee but it's unnecessary and being as low on serotonin, brain zaps or not, will wreck you for a while as well. It leads to very poor sleep, lethargy and stronger negative emotions.
The problem with me having large amounts of mephedrone or 3-MMC isn't me binging on it for days without sleeping, it's that I do sleep and just can't resist doing the same thing the day after. When I have some, it has me in a stranglehold and I can say goodbye to any productivity until it's all gone. 3-MMC is honestly even worse, it's not as good as 4-MMC but even more moreish for me.

3 times 1-2g with some time in between is much preferred to having 10g at once, YYMV.

 

[Phobos]

I didn't have 10 grams at the time (more like 4-5g), but I stupidly took a bunch of MDMA the day after it was gone at some club night, went on holiday on Monday and was experiencing very frequent brain zaps for at least a week. It was bad. Not saying it's a guarantee but it's unnecessary and being as low on serotonin, brain zaps or not, will wreck you for a while as well. It leads to very poor sleep, lethargy and stronger negative emotions.
The problem with me having large amounts of mephedrone or 3-MMC isn't me binging on it for days without sleeping, it's that I do sleep and just can't resist doing the same thing the day after. When I have some, it has me in a stranglehold and I can say goodbye to any productivity until it's all gone. 3-MMC is honestly even worse, it's not as good as 4-MMC but even more moreish for me.

3 times 1-2g with some time in between is much preferred to having 10g at once, YYMV.

That's pretty much what I did that week, worked my shift, started using it right when I came back home, went to bed at 3-4AM, woke up at 7 and repeat.

 

[BobbyTekTonik]

Prepare for brain zaps for days afterwards depending on doses (MDMA after meph), not fun and I'd recommend waiting a couple weeks at least.
Don't think the MDMA would be blunted that much, but it depends on how much mephedrone you did. Most people don't just do 1 dose of mephedrone. Don't know about loss of magic, permatolerance seems unlikely though.

You really don't need more than 2 grams of mephedrone, and even that's quite a bit. It's terrible for your heart and body in general.
The fun starts with quite high doses but if you make it like a 16-24 hour or longer binge then it's just a disgusting fiendish affair, that you're much better off cutting short and keeping the rest for some other time (if possible, these are difficult drugs to save for extended periods of time).
My opinion ofc....

I got 3 grams of 4MMC and I felt very little from it, I ended up using 3 grams in one night to chase good Euphoria or Rush but it never came, I felt okay at the start after having two lines and 80mg, but it was nothing compared to Coke, MDMA or even 3MMC. The only medications I take are Gabapentin and Propranalol, I haven't used an SSRI in 3 years, and the last time I took 6-APB and 3MMC I felt great. Was this definitely bunk stuff or does my brain not react to it properly? It was a white crystalline powder, it didn't have a very strong smell to it. I barely have a hangover today, I just feel a little bit tired.

 

[arrall]

I got 3 grams of 4MMC and I felt very little from it, I ended up using 3 grams in one night to chase good Euphoria or Rush but it never came, I felt okay at the start after having two lines and 80mg, but it was nothing compared to Coke, MDMA or even 3MMC. The only medications I take are Gabapentin and Propranalol, I haven't used an SSRI in 3 years, and the last time I took 6-APB and 3MMC I felt great. Was this definitely bunk stuff or does my brain not react to it properly? It was a white crystalline powder, it didn't have a very strong smell to it. I barely have a hangover today, I just feel a little bit tired.

The 4MMC sounds like it was heavily cut, if even 4MMC at all. I strongly doubt that it had anything to do with you or your neurochemistry since you react normally to 3MMC. Did you reagent test it to confirm presence of 4MMC?

 

[hardtack]

6 APB is utterly the shit!!!! Actually all of them from older days are awesome --it's the front attachment no question and wow I loved Pentylone! They did that right and in quantity but Methylone and Ethylone were not that bad either