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Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

Do you know how science works? (rhetorical....)

It's been changing daily since it's inception. That's HOW science works. That's WHAT SCIENCE FUCKING IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It gets updated.

... that's what is called SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY

I am not saying the vaccines should be immune from criticism, OK, but it SHOULD be immune from idiotic nonsensical insights riddled with hyperbole and improvable "what if" situations. That's very unscientific, and goes against everything you use now to survive and live.
Well if it’s changing daily then the science you know today, the vaccine is safe, could change tomorrow, especially since there are no long term studies…so why you would be sure enough to take it at this point is kind of silly
 
Well if it’s changing daily then the science you know today, the vaccine is safe, could change tomorrow, especially since there are no long term studies…so why you would be sure enough to take it at this point is kind of silly
you're entire point here is based on speculative dangers of established science (mRNA tech has been around for 20+ years, it's not as new as you suggest)

so... my point about not going to the doctor is painfully valid

yet you can't bridge your little "what if" argument to that, because it proves you a hypocrite

many, MANY of the drugs you take from a doctor do not have fucking ridiculously arbitrary "is this safe in 10 years? how do we know" conspiracies (why)?
 
Ahhh, so Hitler didn't think the Covid vaccine was effective? I wasn't aware of that!
completely diverting and nulling my valid point.

can you actually speak in a debate? do you know how a debate works?

I can type random words to divert an argument myself....

You said nothing. Nothing.

Hitler didn't care what other people believed about him, his ideas or his mission. Do you somehow disagree?
 
you're entire point here is based on speculative dangers of established science (mRNA tech has been around for 20+ years, it's not as new as you suggest)

so... my point about not going to the doctor is painfully valid

yet you can't bridge your little "what if" argument to that, because it proves you a hypocrite

many, MANY of the drugs you take from a doctor do not have fucking ridiculously arbitrary "is this safe in 10 years? how do we know" conspiracies (why)?
Your defending of the vaccine is kind of scary tbh, you literally have no long term data and champion it like it’s been around for 100 years, and why is this the first public mRNA vaccine if they’ve had this shit figured out for 20+ years ?
 
Your defending of the vaccine is kind of scary tbh
Dude....

lol....... no comment

you literally have no long term data

you got long term data on the drugs cut with unknown chemicals that you buy from your sketchy drug dealer? :ROFLMAO:


and champion it like it’s been around for 100 years,
why have they required SEVERAL vaccines for children to enter public school for nearly 6 decades now?
why?
why would they champion those viruses?

why is this the first public mRNA vaccine if they’ve had this shit figured out for 20+ years ?
because they've never need to use it

you remind me of some Amish people I used to know
 
Your comparison of my faith to God and any sort of religious denomination is simply your alternative reality to mine.

I swear to my God that is exactly what I said about 6 posts ago when I wrote:

I don’t hate, condemn, judge, or diminish anyone because of their beliefs in this regard. In entering any community of people I was not a member of, I would always be sensitive to the fact that they have beliefs and experiences that do not correspond to mine and therefore view the world differently.

I don’t practice any faith. I don’t follow the Bible, In fact my God would welcome me with open arms for murdering guilty, evil people.

I can’t understand how you can be complaining about the decline of our society a.k.a Western Civilisation on the one hand while espousing a moral belief like this which is completely antithetical to (modern) Western Civilisation. Such a moral perspective would be totally comprehensible and accepted in, say Saudi Arabia or Iran but it is diametrically opposed and totally alien to both America as it was founded and the West more generally.

As a minimum such a belief (in the Western context) would be considered by most people to be sociopathic but I imagine many reasonable people would not find it a stretch to consider it psychopathic.

Note I am not calling you a sociopath or psychopath - all I am saying is the view that you expressed above would seem sociopathic / psychopathic to most people in the West. Just as the post you made supporting bringing back Hitler and exterminating 6 million people to stop Covid global vaccination in the other thread would seem morally repugnant to most reasonable people in the West.
 
I bet there was also some cavemen that were scared of fire after it was first invented.

They probably thought it was a demon or something that might kill them magically.

Look at where fire science took us!
 
what papers?

what "Scientific papers" that have not somehow been assimilated into science? O_O

the only real science I've seen against covid vaccines were facebook posts which cherrypicked data and misled people. That's not science.

Do you really think there are zero right wing science? Do you think the dems own science?????
What papers? The papers that I literally posted in this thread.
 
Your logic is so ass backwards, it’s kind of funny tbh
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What papers? The papers that I literally posted in this thread.
yeah, I was saying maybe you aren't interpreting them correctly with real scientific level knowledge. Did you read that part of my post?

I just read a paper about how creatine is pro-cancer. Are you going to stop eating foods with creatine in it?

Just because some paper says X is pro cancer or pro whatever, doesn't mean you should be afraid of it

Many vegetables you eat contain pro-cancer chemicals. You gonna stop eating veggies?

Either way, why is this paper any more valid than papers stating the vaccines are overall very safe?
 
It's not the bottom line, though. Look at science. Look at statistics. Look at vaccine history.
You obviously haven't, though to be fair no one actually bothers.. everyone just believes the myths touted by the education system as fact. If you had, you would discover that for the major disease epidemic/pandemics of the 19th/20th century for which deaths were recorded, there was a massive decline in mortality before their respective vaccines were introduced. In the case of Measles, 95-99% drop in mortality before the vaccine was introduced.

The point being, vaccines had absolutely nothing to do with the decreasing mortality of the major diseases. In the case of Scarlet Fever, which was one of the most feared and biggest killers (it had a global pandemic in the 19th century), no mass vaccination even took place.. it simply decreased without our medical intervention.

What did cause the mortality to drop was: increased water quality, increased food quality, increased sanitation provision, increased living quarters standards. Most people have no fucking idea what life was like, even up until the early 20th century. When you live an extreme stress lifestyle (working 12 hour days, work houses, slum living, etc), with poor nutrition/water/sanitation, your body can no longer do what it is supposed to do and it begins to break down. If you reverse those conditions, then the body is quite capable of maintaining a healthy equilibrium on its own.

We created those epidemics and pandemics out of our own ignorance, and with a little help from the ruling class who forced people into dense slum cities to work in factories during the industrial revolution.
 
You obviously haven't, though to be fair no one actually bothers.. everyone just believes the myths touted by the education system as fact. If you had, you would discover that for the major disease epidemic/pandemics of the 19th/20th century for which deaths were recorded, there was a massive decline in mortality before their respective vaccines were introduced. In the case of Measles, 95-99% drop in mortality before the vaccine was introduced.

The point being, vaccines had absolutely nothing to do with the decreasing mortality of the major diseases. In the case of Scarlet Fever, which was one of the most feared and biggest killers (it had a global pandemic in the 19th century), no mass vaccination even took place.. it simply decreased without our medical intervention.

What did cause the mortality to drop was: increased water quality, increased food quality, increased sanitation provision, increased living quarters standards. Most people have no fucking idea what life was like, even up until the early 20th century. When you live an extreme stress lifestyle (working 12 hour days, work houses, slum living, etc), with poor nutrition/water/sanitation, your body can no longer do what it is supposed to do and it begins to break down. If you reverse those conditions, then the body is quite capable of maintaining a healthy equilibrium on its own.

We created those epidemics and pandemics out of our own ignorance, and with a little help from the ruling class who forced people into dense slum cities to work in factories during the industrial revolution.
I'll be honest, I didn't even read any of that. I'm pretty high about to go do something else.

However, I'm 99.9% confident that whatever you're saying you can compare it to the acute danger of Covid-19, the dangers of getting sick, and it's long term damage.... and it will still outweigh whatever is said

whatever science you link I can say with 100% certainty that current medical data says Covid itself is worse than the vaccine. It's been that way since the invention of the vaccine.

Another win for me tonight, cya losers ;)


goodnight
 
completely diverting and nulling my valid point.

can you actually speak in a debate? do you know how a debate works?

I can type random words to divert an argument myself....

You said nothing. Nothing.

Hitler didn't care what other people believed about him, his ideas or his mission. Do you somehow disagree?
This isn't a debate. It's an exchange of opinions.
 
Right but my point is, direct your anger at governments and institutions, not at the people who are victimized and misled. You're not going to change anyone's mind by insulting them.

I'm doing that too, don't worry.

I'm not here to change the minds of ignorant apologists. They are morons who are advocating for evil to keep having its way with innocent people.

I'm here to have dialogue with reasonable people, so that readers who are on the fence can plainly see who the liars are. History will vindicate people who are against what's happening. I won't allow this one-sided crap to be touted like it's universally accepted.
 
This isn't a debate. It's an exchange of opinions.

I'd argue it's mostly an exchange of insults.

However, you're correct.

So why do we devolve into animals and shoot down other's opinions?

Should we turn it into a poetry/short story thread?

Because you're opinion turns me into some sheep gov controlled stupid animal...

and my opinion turns you into a delusional person who can't tell fact from fiction

impasse?
 
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