• Current Events & Politics
    Welcome Guest
    Please read before posting:
    Forum Guidelines Bluelight Rules
  • Current Events & Politics Moderators: deficiT | tryptakid | Foreigner

Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

Las Veghost grower said:
Yea long term, like 5+ years
Click to expand...
ok, I'll dive into this scientific impossibility just to fantasize with you

Humanity would die. It would be the end of the world and society's collapse. All your favorite politicians would die (they took the shot too, remember?). Everyone would die.

What do you have to say about all the right wing politicians that got the shot but lied about it and continued telling you not to get it? hmm, what's the meaning behind that?

Everyone in the government is vaccinated. Why would the government take it's own poison??

Please make your conspiracy make sense to me.
 
Negentropic said:
ok, I'll dive into this scientific impossibility just to fantasize with you

Humanity would die. It would be the end of the world and society's collapse. All your favorite politicians would die (they took the shot too, remember?). Everyone would die.

What do you have to say about all the right wing politicians that got the shot but lied about it and continued telling you not to get it? hmm, what's the meaning behind that?
Click to expand...
Don’t divert, fact is you have no data to point to, so you have no clue…that’s the hard truth, and I think you know it…
 
Well I don't know how ya'll can carry this shit on day in and day out. Because I for sure I cannot anymore.

It's easy to see how shit starts.

If you look nicely at this 55 years (or even 75 years) at no point did the FDA or anybody else request such a fixed delay. If you look really nicely: those that are reporting on this are simply doing there own calculations based on the amount of data and based on the rate at which it can realistically be published and publishing the same. There's no conspiracy here. It's simply based on the amount of data that's on hand and how long it'll take to process.

I mean if you read the actual article from Reuters and then follow the links and read the supporting documents it's not that difficult to understand and couldn't be clearer. The "Joint Status Report" is pretty clear seems to me.

"But the FDA can’t simply turn the documents over wholesale. The records must be reviewed to redact “confidential business and trade secret information of Pfizer or BioNTech and personal privacy information of patients who participated in clinical trials,” wrote DOJ lawyers in a joint status report filed Monday."

And guaran-fucking-teed if the documents and information was simply dumped "wholesale" and let lose on Joe Public and who wouldn't have a fucking clue as to how to interpret the data and left to their own ends would somehow come up with a whole bunch of their own interpretations and which would in turn lead to fuck knows how many more conspiracy theories.

This shit will be going on for centuries after the last little COVID has died! :ROFLMAO:
 
Negentropic said:
ok, I'll dive into this scientific impossibility just to fantasize with you

Humanity would die. It would be the end of the world and society's collapse. All your favorite politicians would die (they took the shot too, remember?). Everyone would die.

What do you have to say about all the right wing politicians that got the shot but lied about it and continued telling you not to get it? hmm, what's the meaning behind that?

Everyone in the government is vaccinated. Why would the government take it's own poison??

Please make your conspiracy make sense to me.
Click to expand...
Good luck!
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Don’t divert,
Click to expand...
How did I divert? I literally answered your question

Las Veghost grower said:
fact is you have no data to point to, so you have no clue…that’s the hard truth, and I think you know it…
Click to expand...
and you have no hard data to prove it's harmful.... so you have no clue... that's the hard truth... and I think you know

you see how silly this is?
 
Las Veghost grower said:
There was nothing scientific about that post, but ok…
Click to expand...
..... because it obviously doesn't exist, it's a new technology, we have no idea if Tesla cars give you cancer either!!!!

The point is, to the best scientific guess, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

But how can two people debate when the crux of the conversation (science) is either accepted or considered a LIE?

THE ARGUMENT GOES NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Known science vs conspiracy fantasy... I know which one I'll pick every time, even tho it's fun to fantasize
 
Foreigner said:
How about you address the link I posted in direct response to your lies? Reuters is not misinformation, they are an official news source. You're acting like you weren't just caught lying, when you were. Respond to the last post I made to you, please.

What a bunch of patronizing garbage. Utter trash. You think that because someone has a different view than you, that they have fallen victim to misinformation and that I have some vendetta to spread it. The irony meter just broke.

The only ones molding the discourse are our corrupt officials. The science is in... the shots have questionable efficacy and have a downplayed danger level. Everyone in my community knows someone who has been injured. First they said myocarditis is 1 in 10,000, now it's 1 in 1,000. Japan just put out a mandatory label for the shots for myocarditis, especially now that they use ivermectin widespread in their country to stem the disease.

So please spare me your sanctimonious and pseudo well-measured response. You're not a moderate, you're a hack. People have EVERY RIGHT to be emotional. People are being outright killed by pandemic policy. The policy itself has become worse than the disease.

You were caught in a blatant lie and now you're trying the gaslighting approach. Typical. When someone shows emotion you claim they are unstable. When someone is angry because of injustice, you try to paint them as the misled. Honestly, go fuck yourself. You were caught lying and you will never be able to backpeddle. People are rising up all over the world in response to this evil. The lines are drawn. You either look at the emerging science with honesty, or you are siding with corrupt liars. It's literally that black and white now... and I AM a moderate. For a moderate to be speaking this way should be an indicator of how bad things are!
Click to expand...

I’m doing my best to be polite and constructive but you seem intent on being rude and insulting. I can see you have made a modest effort to actually make this a discussion. So I’ll respond by repeating the response I already made. I don’t need to post anything new on the point you make about Reuters, because I already very successfully demonstrated that you used that particular article to present a skewed view of reality.

This is the article you used

www.reuters.com

Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

Freedom of Information Act requests are rarely speedy, but when a group of scientists asked the federal government to share the data it relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, the response went beyond typical bureaucratic foot-dragging.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

You used this article to claim that the data from Pfizer was going to be withheld from independent scrutiny for 70 then 55 years. You strongly implied that this was an absolute concealment of the data intended to cover up the dangers of the vaccines.

I then stated, AS YOUR ARTICLE CLEARLY SHOWS, that only the FDA is attempting to withhold data against one specific FOI claim and that this appeared to be an ambit claim for every single document that the FDA holds relating to Pfizer and the vaccine that includes commercial-in-confidence information and individual information whose release may violate the right-to-privacy of many individuals and that goes far far beyond the medical data required to assess the safety of the vaccine.

I then provided evidence that Pfizer is committed to releasing the trials data through multiple alternative channels as it does all new medicines and invited you to provide any evidence that Pfizer would not also do this for the Covid vaccination.

I also noted that the data has also been made available to hundreds of independent scientists around the world as the vaccine underwent approvals in different countries.

So the reality here is that I have comprehensively demolished your claim that the data will be unavailable for independent validation for 70/55 years.

That’s not gaslighting my friend. That is reasoned argument of the kind normal members of a civilised society are capable of conducting every day over multiple issues without taking things personally or resorting to personal insults or using tactics like declaring the person they are arguing with is a liar or acting in bad faith.

I’m not taking the bait and shifting from reasoned argument to engaging in personal insults. I don’t know you personally and cannot ascertain your motivations - that is why I was explicit in saying in several post that i was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you were acting in good faith. I’ve only denigrated your arguments and not you personally or anyone else. If you cannot separate yourself from your argument and insist on taking a discussion about data personally then it’s difficult to have any kind of constructive discussion.

At this point though, even if I continue to give you the same benefit of the doubt, as challenging as that is, I have to assume you lack the capacity for reasoned argument and civil discussion. You also seem to lack sportsmanship and the ability to graciously acknowledge defeat that comes with it. That doesn’t give us much grounds for continued interaction does it? It feels like I’m happily having a beer at the 19th hole while you are still stuck hacking away in a sand trap somewhere near the second hole. It’s no wonder you are so cranky. Just quit, head to the clubhouse, and I’ll buy you a beer too.
 
This is the bottom line, neither of us have a clue about long term side effects, only you opted to have it shot into your arm 3 times , and I opted on the side of caution
 
Xorkoth said:
People have every right to be emotional about this topic, but you don't have the right to call people liars and insult them for trying to debate your points. Honestly I'm pretty surprised by how you're conducting yourself with regards to this topic, because you have always seemed very level headed and respectful in conversations on here in the past, and you continue to be about other topics. I don't understand why you have to be so nasty to people who are disagreeing with you. You're not the only one by any means. Why has civil debate broken down so badly lately? If we can't even talk to each other with respect or respond to disagreements in a debate without lashing out, what hope do we have for the future of our society?
Click to expand...

If someone is telling a lie, then they are a liar. It's not an insult.

Your finger wagging is irrelevant. Level headed people lose their shit when the world around them is crumbling due to people's idiocy. Get a clue.

Civil debate is breaking down because civility has been lost. The government and institutions are not responding to science anymore. They respond with censorship and oppression.

I refuse to be civil with abusers. That's like asking your tormentor to play nice. Fuck that. The gloves are off now.

Anyone who supports this is my enemy. They are killing children. The time for civility is over. It's time to fight.
 
Last edited:
Las Veghost grower said:
This is the bottom line, neither of us have a clue about long term side effects
Click to expand...
It's not the bottom line, though. Look at science. Look at statistics. Look at vaccine history.

It's the bottom line of yeah, nobody truly knows... however... in the face of covid I will accept the risk of a few INSANE "what if" scenarios. Nobody knows when the sun will explode. Nobody knows when that cigarette you smoked 10 years ago will cause you cancer.

Medical science is a BEST GUESS profession. There are no certainties.

Using absolute certainty of safety from medicine - you might as well just stop going to the doctor. Every time you have surgery, there is a chance you will die.... people still elect to have surgery.

I mean hell man... what are the long term side effects from all the drugs you used? Do you know? How do you really know?

THE BOTTOM LINE is covid is much more of a dangerous than the vaccine, at this time. Period.

dalpat077 said:
Remember Thalidomide and the Thalidomide Babies? :ROFLMAO:
Click to expand...
I was actually literally just thinking about this. However, this was what... 70 years ago?

Look at where science has gone in 70 years.... we have really not made the same mistak
 
But yeah, I'm getting really burnt out of these... chats

I'm a pretty lonely dude with nothing else to do... and even then, I'm starting to truly realize I'm wasting my time, in every sense of the phrase (other than "for fun").
 
@Las Veghost grower hypothetically, though, if you had severe covid would you go to the hospital? of course you would, they all do.

but why would you trust doctors who tried to get you vaccinated?

seems.... hypocritical (I'll spare you from more insulting words)
 
Negentropic said:
It's not the bottom line, though. Look at science. Look at statistics. Look at vaccine history.

It's the bottom line of yeah, nobody truly knows... however... in the face of covid I will accept the risk of a few INSANE "what if" scenarios. Nobody knows when the sun will explode. Nobody knows when that cigarette you smoked 10 years ago will cause you cancer.

Medical science is a BEST GUESS profession. There are no certainties.

Using absolute certainty of safety from medicine - you might as well just stop going to the doctor. Every time you have surgery, there is a chance you will die.... people still elect to have surgery.

I mean hell man... what are the long term side effects from all the drugs you used? Do you know? How do you really know?

THE BOTTOM LINE is covid is much more of a dangerous than the vaccine, at this time. Period.


I was actually literally just thinking about this. However, this was what... 60 years ago?

Look at where science has gone in 60 years.... we have really not made the same mistak
Click to expand...
Yep. A long time ago. Just giving the nut jobs some more ammo. It took a while for them to figure out that one of the side-effects was birth defects is all. So maybe the next generation gonna be born with like ten heads and six arms from the Pfizer vaccine! :ROFLMAO:
 
birdup said:
@dalpat077

There were no Thalidomide babies. They were dwarves who were paid actors working for the Coca Cola company to divert attention away from the moon landing staged by Stanley Kubrick and Charlton Heston.
Click to expand...
So that was all fake news and conspiratorial too? I honestly had no idea! :ROFLMAO:
 
Foreigner said:
If someone is telling a lie, then they are a liar. It's not an insult.

Your winger wagging is irrelevant. Level headed people lose their shit when the world around them is crumbling due to people's idiocy. Get a clue.

Civil debate is breaking down because civility has been lost. The government and institutions are not responding to science anymore. They respond with censorship and oppression.

I refuse to be civil with abusers. That's like asking your tormentor to play nice. Fuck that. The gloves are off now.

Anyone who supports this is my enemy. They are killing children. The time for civility is over. It's time to fight.
Click to expand...
Just to help me and @Xorkoth understand where I might be going wrong and misunderstanding arising, could you please use the quote function to show what my alleged lie was?

I honestly can’t see it. If you can call it out I promise I will concede I was incorrect if I was.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top