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jerseyshark said:
Mmmm
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Well it was recommended by someone who definitely knows their way around any type of opiate, but on reflection I'm pretty sure it has to be plain white sugar or the body doesn't liquify it's contents.
Like I say I didn't get far trying it, but it shifts it in others for sure.
 
Squeaky said:
Not to sound like a Kindergarten teacher but there’s no magic to getting through this without the withdrawals. Loperamide, Gabapentin, Kratom: all of the stuff on BlueLight that is available does help to reduce the severity while extending the timeline but some level of withdrawals symptoms are unavoidable. My life got a lot better once I stopped trying to feel great all of the time with ‘substitutes’ and I just decided it was going to have to suck if I was ever going to make any progress.

Now, after years of struggle, my life is better (not perfect but definitely better that it was) but I got here through suffering. And believe it or not.... the worst suffering I endured was always a direct result of my attempts to reduce my suffering to zero (like someone switching to heroin to get past oxycodone wds). It’s something I always knew but I kept telling myself that there was some sort of “hack” and if I could just find it then I could beat the system. I finally understand that if I dig myself a hole, eventually it’s just up to me to get dirty and climb out of it. Can’t fix it by living underground for the rest of my life.
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You've a point about comfort meds being too comfortable. Yesterday, I left out the pills. Took prozac, left out the gabapentin, nefopam and all else that came in pill form (including opened capsules before that becomes my loophole). Left out kratom too. It was easier to do something else when I'm not 24/7 wondering what to take next. Didn't sleep much, but enough. Yesterday I'd still a lot running round my system from the night before, today I pooed, celebrations.
The moment I took my DOC the other day, my guts stopped dead again, couldn't face food either. Now we're moving again, that used to be my signal to resume use, lol, back when I had more control. Or less. Dunno.
Damn. Why did I list what I'm not having today? That is a red rag to the bull crashing around my fragile porcelain mind. Now I gotta forget again and do some sodding work. ffs
 
jerseyshark said:
What's good to use while temporarily using lopes to crap
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Best for me is anything that is known for CAUSING diarrhea, particularly fruit like prunes and raisins. Most obvious next choice is a strong over-the-counter laxative. None of that ‘gentle’ crap. Something aggressive.
 
papercuts said:
"Normal" is kinda like chicken or red. We only know what normal (or turkey or green) is like because someone early in life told us so. They can identify something external like chicken, but we never will know what someone else sees as red. We know what they see is as constant as our own perception of red but we'll never know if it's the same.

Normal is even more subjective than red. I think many of the people who didn't walk away after a time or two were depressed to start with.

So if they're depressed afterwards, that maybe is just normal for them?

I know for me, staying clean for years kept me in a constant low grade depression.

I'm not sure if that is just normal, because of normal shit we're supposed to live in a state of depression?
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You couldn’t have said that better. “Normal” for me is just whatever I’m used to. Most people use that word to tell you their own opinion on how they think you should be. And since most folks who turn to drugs were probably depressed to start with, ‘normal’ really just means ‘miserable’
 
jerseyshark said:
😂, that's life! Do you recommend 100mg 3x a day with the lopes? I want take more than 10 days, probably less
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The thing with Gabapentin is that your tolerance to a dose like that will build in a couple of days. The dose you’re describing is exactly what they give my grandma for her diabetes (neuropathy). She never got high from it. You can try that dose but it I were in your shoes..... I would probably save my Gabapentin for sleep only. Maybe start with 500mg about an hour before bed and prey that it puts me in a coma for 8 hours. No relief from wd’s during the day but at least the nights won’t suck.
 
Squeaky said:
You couldn’t have said that better. “Normal” for me is just whatever I’m used to. Most people use that word to tell you their own opinion on how they think you should be. And since most folks who turn to drugs were probably depressed to start with, ‘normal’ really just means ‘miserable’
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Yep, feeling that misery, but I am going to get to a place eventually where I stop obsessing over drugs and put people first.
The alternative seems to be a place where I stop worrying about other people and put drugs first, in every possible orifice, lol.
 
jerseyshark said:
😂, that's life! Do you recommend 100mg 3x a day with the lopes? I want take more than 10 days, probably less
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Do you mean 1 x 100mg gabapentin cap 3 times a day? Honestly, 100mg gabapentin probably won't do much. I'm a veterinary technician and we prescribe 100mg capsules to cats and small dogs ;)
Perhaps start with 300mg gabapentin in one dose if/when you need it, and see how you go with that. I echo what Squeaky said about using it for sleep, it works really well for sleep <3
Always keep in mind that you will build a tolerance to gabapentin VERY quickly so try not to increase your doses too much otherwise you will have to tackle gabapentin WDs when you stop taking it.
 
n3ophy7e said:
Do you mean 1 x 100mg gabapentin cap 3 times a day? Honestly, 100mg gabapentin probably won't do much. I'm a veterinary technician and we prescribe 100mg capsules to cats and small dogs ;)
Perhaps start with 300mg gabapentin in one dose if/when you need it, and see how you go with that. I echo what Squeaky said about using it for sleep, it works really well for sleep <3
Always keep in mind that you will build a tolerance to gabapentin VERY quickly so try not to increase your doses too much otherwise you will have to tackle gabapentin WDs when you stop taking it.
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I can't stop thinking how difficult it must be to get a 100mg gaba cap into a cat :ROFLMAO: they're slippery when wet, lol
 
papercuts said:
I can't stop thinking how difficult it must be to get a 100mg gaba cap into a cat :ROFLMAO: they're slippery when wet, lol
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I'm a bit of a cat whisperer and my cat-medicating technique is flawless hahaha. Just open up the hatch and pop it down the throat! It's over before the cat realises what's going on.
Although usually owners will open the cap up and sprinkle the powder in to their food ;)
 
n3ophy7e said:
I'm a bit of a cat whisperer and my cat-medicating technique is flawless hahaha. Just open up the hatch and pop it down the throat! It's over before the cat realises what's going on.
Although usually owners will open the cap up and sprinkle the powder in to their food ;)
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Those poor unsuspecting cat owners are in for a shock when they realise how bad the powder tastes without the capsule!
 
For the record, I have been through wd’s on Gabapentin. It’s easy to taper quickly off it, but cold turkey comes with scrambled brains that can be more deadly than opiates. 24 hours into cold turkey and I was ready to jump off a bridge. It won’t kill you but you might want to kill yourself.
Whatever you choose just remember to be sure you have enough left over for a 3-5 day taper or you might be really sorry.
 
papercuts said:
Those poor unsuspecting cat owners are in for a shock when they realise how bad the powder tastes without the capsule!
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I used to get 300mg x 3 per day. When I tapered off it I was opening the capsules and measuring out 1/2, then 1/4 for a week or two. That stuff tastes like dog shit sprayed with weed killer
 
Squeaky said:
For the record, I have been through wd’s on Gabapentin. It’s easy to taper quickly off it, but cold turkey comes with scrambled brains that can be more deadly than opiates. 24 hours into cold turkey and I was ready to jump off a bridge. It won’t kill you but you might want to kill yourself.
Whatever you choose just remember to be sure you have enough left over for a 3-5 day taper or you might be really sorry.
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Is that what causes that?
I had that tonight making dinner, I felt totally paralysed by hopelessness. I took a 300, half an hour later I was feeling more normal, took another 300mg and I'm good.
OK, that was the first time I'd felt that gabapentin withdrawal and it was bad, but I thought it was still opiate wd so thank you for describing it, now I know. I hadn't taken any in over 48 hours, I thought stopping it might help me be less sloppy with opiates. I was taking about 6 of the 300s a day until then. It must stay in the body longer than they tell you if I only felt it after 2 days.
Lesson learnt, ty
 
Squeaky said:
The thing with Gabapentin is that your tolerance to a dose like that will build in a couple of days. The dose you’re describing is exactly what they give my grandma for her diabetes (neuropathy). She never got high from it. You can try that dose but it I were in your shoes..... I would probably save my Gabapentin for sleep only. Maybe start with 500mg about an hour before bed and prey that it puts me in a coma for 8 hours. No relief from wd’s during the day but at least the nights won’t suck.
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Is it better to snort? Someone here said the Roa makes a big difference with gabapentin. Had a rough night last night without sleeping, lots of rls. Hoped the 30 lopes would I took at 615am would hold me until the next morning, but ended up taking 5 at 2 am. Still reduced my dosage to 25 today. Reducing 3 -5 per day until 10 days is done. But, gabapentin is still a mystery drug. I had some valium 5 mg and took 3 , at different times trying to shake the rls. No luck. Any more information on gabapentin is helpful. 500 mg at bedtime, sounds fine. I snorted 200mg and hour ago, 242 pm here, 2nd day of wds, feeling lower than a snakes belly
 
papercuts said:
Is that what causes that?
I had that tonight making dinner, I felt totally paralysed by hopelessness. I took a 300, half an hour later I was feeling more normal, took another 300mg and I'm good.
OK, that was the first time I'd felt that gabapentin withdrawal and it was bad, but I thought it was still opiate wd so thank you for describing it, now I know. I hadn't taken any in over 48 hours, I thought stopping it might help me be less sloppy with opiates. I was taking about 6 of the 300s a day until then. It must stay in the body longer than they tell you if I only felt it after 2 days.
Lesson learnt, ty
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Is 10 days on Gabapentin a short enough time at say 600 mg a day, to stop on the 10th day without and gab wd?
 
jerseyshark said:
So, I guess in a nutshell I'm asking how many days can you take gabs and stop without wds approximately??
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Everyone is different with these meds and using them together throws in more unknowns.
If I had limited amounts then I think taking the caps orally gives the most effect. It's subtle. Just lifts your mood in my experience. Today showed me just how much they can affect my mood, I hadn't realised and I've been taking them about three years.
500mg for sleep sounds plenty. 200 snorted is a nice subtle buzz but shorter duration than eating them. I'd plan to have a good few left over at the end when you get your refill. Otherwise you might run out and that feeling of desolation was scary and it could last days, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Keep in mind we are no real authority on these things except lived experience which is different for everyone.
Your own common sense is the best guide.
It seems impossible to think anything much today except how awful I feel, how useless I feel yet absolutely nothing is wrong. I'm sitting with my family watching football in a warm room, well fed, nice weed to vape.
It'll pass.
How many days until your refill and do you get more gabapentin then too?
 
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