Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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@Mr. Krinkle

more than sure that whoever she works for

What influences that assumption, exactly?

 

[AutoTripper]

Looks like the first 4 confirmed cases of the new variant were all "Fully Vaccinated". Hope its not an ADE variant.

Finally. Something which makes sense. In the moment. It just resonates. Ofc I/we with a right mind would wish it didn't but this is what I have come to expect.

So it is congruous. I think my brain is just so tired of all the incongruities.

It didn't used to matter did it? Things didn't "have" to nake sense.

Now it's all out mad panic and night & day vigorous debate and arythmic arguining out the most likely feasible option, except mostly from what's on the table.

When what is on the table, is exactly what has been thrown on it in a heaped but very organised mess.

Which we walk around and though and inspect with a lens forever just, figuring things out.

Our focus is forever directed at the pressing immediate. The flash of the spotlight, the loud noise. The trainwreck.

Humanity is singing and dancing. What a mockery (of ourselves, by ourselves, all too easily induced).

While we continue to debate "facts".

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I'm expecting an actual pandemic soon, the catalyst probably being the mass vaccination campaign

this is now coming true lol

 

[alasdairm]

I'm more than sure that whoever she works for, is heavily influenced by pharmaceutical coercion and propaganda

you don't even know who she works for and yet you're so sure of that.

nothing but bias and assumptions. you don't care what the facts are, you've already made up your mind...

alasdair

 

[porkstock]

If you’re vaccinated, you are much less likely to catch covid, therefore much less likely to be the host in which it mutates.

If you’re vaccinated and happen to get a breakthrough case (which can happen with ANY vaccine), it is likely that you clear the virus faster...again giving the virus less chance to mutate inside you.

If ADE was a thing with covid, we would see the vaccinated having more severe cases. We see the opposite.

 

[Jabberwocky]

That’s awesome you like to get your hands dirty, I only ask cause Iv talked to someone who works in a lab like that and says there has been times they were told to do something a certain way even tho they knew the outcome would be somewhat misleading or inaccurate but want to keep their job so just do what they were told, how much truth behind that I can’t say but just found it interesting

i was asked to do that in a previous job, before i moved into bioinformatics, and to make a paper trail pointing directly at me. luckily i had the balls to just not go in ever again but it was a big risk to take.

i felt some pressure in my previous post doc, but i was never outright asked to lie, just 'are you sure?' a million times and asking if i could redo the analysis in a different way. eventually after wasting weeks and giving them nothing they accepted it.

in my current lab i've never felt any pressure, people question specific points of my analysis or ask for further details, but even when i know i'm not giving them the results they hoped for i'm never asked to do anything dodgy. i mostly am not giving them the results they hoped for and i do feel guilty but i just have to tell myself, its my job to provide analysis, its not my fault if that analysis doesn't give the expected results. it is super rewarding seeing them go through iterations of their protocols and the results getting better and better.

i think part of the reason for the difference is in academia they just care about papers, so if you've taken months to do an experiment and it hasn't worked, you don't get your paper. in industry we care about saleable products. so they need to work. we have the funding to enable us to put in the R&D time, so it's not just do rushed experiment, write paper, move on.

 

[Jabberwocky]

while i will not say in public who i work for, we have no ties to any pharmaceutical companies and i have never encountered any propaganda at work.

what i will say is that we are working to make the likes of krinkle completely irrelevant without them or any other members of the public having to do anything. i find that satisfying, but unfortunately i don't want to be more specific because there aren't many companies doing similar work.

 

[AutoTripper]

I will say this very clearly now not in reference to any person but because it was again highlighted the ideology and belief system that the only reason we still have this problem is because not every single person has gone forward and being vaccinated is a very very dangerous and delusional thought trap to get into yet this is the precise exact line and arguments we will see continually impregnated into minds and propagated on the population.

Until we do have officially apartheid.

Because this is completely delusional it really is the only reason people say this is because the so-called experts like Fauci and co, have been telling us this since.

 

[mal3volent]

I very clearly said it wouldn't take every single person.

It's just unfortunate when people choose to wear their opposition to common sense public health measures as a badge of rebellion or intellect. Or their political identity. And you can't convince me that 95% of anti vaxxers don't fall into one of those categories.

We used to live in a world where people trusted science and medicine and that was separate from your politics. But now people live on Reddit and youtube and listen to idiots who are only interested in sensationalism and getting your clicks. They don't give a shit about your health, they're creating a brand and a name for themselves. And if you aren't cancelled by the woke mob first, the anti woke mob will get you soon after.

 

[AutoTripper]

I very clearly said it wouldn't take every single person.

It's just unfortunate when people choose to wear their opposition to common sense public health measures as a badge of rebellion or intellect. Or their political identity. And you can't convince me that 95% of anti vaxxers don't fall into one of those categories.

We used to live in a world where people trusted science and medicine and that was separate from your politics. But now people live on Reddit and youtube and listen to idiots who are only interested in sensationalism and getting your clicks. They don't give a shit about your health, they're creating a brand and a name for themselves. And if you aren't cancelled by the woke mob first, the anti woke mob will get you soon after.

I really wish I could share your view you know I honestly do do and I do hold respect for you personally despite us barely knowing each other.

Personally I don't feel I would myself fall into either of those categories I have my own very very strong particular reasons for rejecting the mainstream narrative and proposals dating back a long way.

So I wasn't referencing that towards yourself it was just you mentioning it reminded me me of the fact that I strongly believe this particular ideology and mindset will be progressively forced upon the general vaccinated populous to create further divide disharmony and pressure as well as contempt.

Politically to drive the agenda whatever we each think ultimately motivates it and who is driving it this is my expectation and prediction and surely many others which is why I say people please be mindful and careful as we go into this next phase here.

I should perhaps refrain from attempting to make any more simple sense here today day certainly this thread as I did just drop a little dose of LSD at a time I normally wouldn't but but some sort of measure was required in the moment. 10 am on a miserable, gloomy Saturday.

If it stays miserable weather-wise and I actually somehow can wake up a bit and feel sprightly and in good spirit I'm a live-in things up with a little redosee but nothing crazy no way not this weekend.

"I suppose I better get to work"....lol

@mal3volent thanks for expressing your plain honest thoughts again and always being polite and respectful and so tolerant to a nutcase like me who can be a right disruption at times about the place lol.

 

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We used to live in a world where people trusted science and medicine and that was separate from your politics. But now people live on Reddit and youtube and listen to idiots who are only interested in sensationalism and getting your clicks. They don't give a shit about your health, they're creating a brand and a name for themselves. And if you aren't cancelled by the woke mob first, the anti woke mob will get you soon after.

And the pharmaceuticals give a shit about your health? Please.. .Do you honestly believe that in this corrupt world that they would not exploit their customers innate fears about health and death, in order to drive their market and profits? If you don't, then you just haven't been paying much attention over the past 20 years. They have repeatedly used the same formula to drive their sales; create hysteria over novel pathogen, ferment the fear with help of media and government chums, then sell over priced products to governments.

The medical establishment should not be revered like a religious institution. It's not. Let's have some fucking humility for the fact we're human beings.. corruption happens, scientific mistakes happen. Dogma is not reality. Even a cursory glance at medical history over the past 150 years reveals some fucking disturbing things. Let's not pretend it's a church of holy men please.

I'll go where the truth is. If we have a completely transparent discussion with all the information on the table, great, we can then evaluate and see what's what. But we're not getting that. The pharmaceuticals and medical industry at large are not playing straight dice.

You shouldn't blindly trust 'the science'. Science is operated by people, and people are fallible. To think otherwise is arrogance.

 

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You shouldn't blindly distrust science either.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Seems extremely unlikely to impossible that vaccine resistant variants (Delta variant) are incubated in unvaccinated people, where the virus has zero exposure to vaccines. How else would it evolve to get around vaccines without evolving in vaccinated people?

the point is that unvaccinated people are much more likely to act as reservoirs and transmit pathogens. to reduce the chances of ADE, we need to reduce transmission, which people who get the vaccine and abide by other safety measures contribute to. those who don't bear the brunt of the blame for ADE.

has it occurred to you that ADE also occurs in people who have had covid, and thus have antibodies without being vaccinated?

You shouldn't blindly trust 'the science'. Science is operated by people, and people are fallible. To think otherwise is arrogance.

this strawman is so old.

everyone knows that most science is at best an approximation of reality and at worst no where near. the scientific method is predicated on the inherent fallibility of ourselves and our techniques. no one takes it as dogma. people making these claims only reveal their fundamental misunderstanding of what science is and how its done.

i spend 80% of my time at work trying to work out what i'm doing wrong and that's not unusual in both my current field and the field i did my phd in.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

well she clearly minimizes vaccine adverse events almost to the point that they don't even exist

so yes - i have made my mind up

 

[porkstock]

I have my own very very strong particular reasons for rejecting the mainstream narrative and proposals dating back a long way.

And now, you also have covid.
(I assume you didn’t get the vaccine)

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

That Project Pogo video gets more relevant by the day: https://odysee.com/@Nach310o:7/david-goldberg-blows-the-whistle-on:a

On quantum computers: If you're going down that route to prove science is sound you're going to have a bad time considering all it does is prove the simulation theory. If we accept all that as true then we have to accept that nothing is really real until you observe it. Which is a problem because things get very strange at that level. qubit's can express all possible outcomes at the same time. Even if you feed it the same data over and over again you can't know the result until you observe it. Is it a 1, 0, both, or neither? Who knows! It's whatever it decides to be in that particular moment.

The further you go down the rabbit hole the more you realize we don't really understand anything. I would very much prefer it if schools taught us how to think instead of what to think. It's hilarious to me that a lot of academics won't even consider the possibility that we're in a designed system. There are patterns everywhere you look in nature but they explain it away as "well people just see patterns in everything none of it is really there it's all random!". I lean more towards the patterns are really there and that's why I'm observing them.

The simulation/hologram theory is very liberating. We really are in a matrix or something designed by some kind of being. Elon says it's running on the substrate. Alex Jones calls it something else I can't remember. Both pretty much say the same thing:

This is great news for me. It means the anime girls are real and all I need to do is find them once I leave my body here. I'm never coming back to this hell hole. I'm moving up to the fantasy world where I can slay dragons and get into hi-jinks with my harem.

 

[AutoTripper]

And now, you also have covid.
(I assume you didn’t get the vaccine)

No to vaccine. Not "now" to covid either. As in, causative for example at least.

True long Covid. Openly documented. Initially September 2020. Nerve based and significantly nerve damaging from January 2021.

Lots has happened along the way. I literally scrap for life.

It's really running amok atm following 6 week flu, severe mental, physical and emotional trauma.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

If you’re vaccinated, you are much less likely to catch covid, therefore much less likely to be the host in which it mutates.

If you’re vaccinated and happen to get a breakthrough case (which can happen with ANY vaccine), it is likely that you clear the virus faster...again giving the virus less chance to mutate inside you.

If ADE was a thing with covid, we would see the vaccinated having more severe cases. We see the opposite.

If that were all true, you''d have a point

you're not less likely to catch the vid - it's just not true - it offers ZERO protection for transmission - only thing those shots do is possibly minimize the symptoms

that's it

 

[AutoTripper]

If that were all true then this nightmare would actually be over in one sense but certainly not the ending of the story I would personally choose nor write from the beginning I'm still holding out for a better one myself.

 

[porkstock]

I could waste my time posting links to scientific articles but you guys already have it figured out.

Literally sitting here with long covid dissing the vaccine that could have prevented it.