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it is on FIRE

more cases now than ever before

and they're ultra-vaxxed

so there ya go, chinny
 
61 cases per 100k is not on fire by any reasonable definition of the very vague term 'on fire.' we have 433.8 per 100k.

and as per the article i posted yesterday, the majority of those cases are unvaxxed. so it looks like the vaccines are working, regardless of your desperate attempts to spin this as a failure of the vaccination program.
 
chinup said:
61 cases per 100k is not on fire by any reasonable definition of the very vague term 'on fire.' we have 433.8 per 100k.
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Oh ok

so you're telling me that your country is on FIRE too even tho you're about 80% vaxxed

gotcha
 
well a) we are about 70% vaxxed, do please at least try b) compare our current death and hospitalisation rate to that of january, when case rates were similar. explain that difference to me please. the vaccines are saving countless lives. remember they were never advertised to prevent illness, but to reduce hospitalisation and death. and we are observing exactly that.

so why do you keep bringing up vaccines?
 
chinup said:
well a) we are about 70% vaxxed, do please at least try b) compare our current death and hospitalisation rate to that of january, when case rates were similar. explain that difference to me please. the vaccines are saving countless lives. remember they were never advertised to prevent illness, but to reduce hospitalisation and death. and we are observing exactly that.
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i can explain that - that's an easy one


because as a virus becomes more contagious, it becomes less deadly (true story)



chinup said:
so why do you keep bringing up vaccines?
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because it's a thread about vaccines 💡


look at the big brain on me now


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Mr. Krinkle said:
i can explain that - that's an easy one


because as a virus becomes more contagious, it becomes less deadly (true story)
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actually this is not what we are seeing yet with covid. in fact if you look at the data you will see that its virulence still appears to be increasing, contrary to the expectations of literally everyone. we expect this to happen over time, it'll be the common cold eventually because killing or even debilitating hosts is not evolutionarily beneficial.

i had this argument on facebook yesterday with someone who can actually check my credentials and the work my company does in covid, information i am not prepared to share with you. and after i politely explained to him that this is not whats happening and provided citations to confirm, he was still like 'nah its definitely what i think and not what you, someone who has studied mutations in the covid genome in detail professionally, thinks.' i'm not ready for another round yet.

maybe you could make it easy for me. name me a mutation that has reduced the virulence, the amino acid change this corresponds to, the effect this has on the resulting protein, and the effect this has on the host.

thankfully we have so much data that the chances of such a mutation having been sequenced multiple times and identified are very, very, high, so validate your claim specifically for sars-cov-2. if you're so sure of yourself i presume you have a bunch of examples ready at hand?
 
chinup said:
actually this is not what we are seeing yet with covid. in fact if you look at the data you will see that its virulence still appears to be increasing, contrary to the expectations of literally everyone. we expect this to happen over time, it'll be the common cold eventually because killing or even debilitating hosts is not evolutionarily beneficial.

i had this argument on facebook yesterday with someone who can actually check my credentials and the work my company does in covid, information i am not prepared to share with you. and after i politely explained to him that this is not whats happening and provided citations to confirm, he was still like 'nah its definitely what i think and not what you, someone who has studied mutations in the covid genome in detail professionally, thinks.' i'm not ready for another round yet.

maybe you could make it easy for me. name me a mutation that has reduced the virulence, the amino acid change this corresponds to, the effect this has on the resulting protein, and the effect this has on the host.

thankfully we have so much data that the chances of such a mutation having been sequenced multiple times and identified are very, very, high, so validate your claim specifically for sars-cov-2. if you're so sure of yourself i presume you have a bunch of examples ready at hand?
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Just out of curiosity do you do the research and experiments yourself ? Or do you look through data that other researchers from your company have prepared for you ?
 
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got my pfizer booster a couple of days ago (had az in the spring). got a little sickish the night and day after, similar to the az vaccine, nothing too bad though.

@chinup out of curiousity, do you know why no vaccine I ever took made me sick before (never had the flu shot though). just coincidence or is there a reason for this? this might not be your expertise, but do you know something about why some vaccines do that?
 
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Just out of curiosity do you do the research and experiments yourself ? Or do you look through data that other researchers from your company have prepared for you ?
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i'm a bioinformatician so i do the data crunching, designing and implementing algorithms rather than grunt work thankfully. our lab doesn't have clearance to work with viable pathogens so the covid data i've analysed has been from the NHS, though i used data from inactivated viral samples (bought in from another company) with libraries prepared, i.e. dna extraction, purification, amplification, in house in the early stages of the project. its mostly been amplicons- i.e. short segments produced either by PCR or LAMP but we've had a few whole genome samples too.

most of the clade defining mutations and mutations in variants of concern are in relatively short sections of the genome so amplicons are fine for most analysis. because they fall in similar locations, biologists have intensively studied the roles of the proteins coded for by those parts of the genome, which is why i'm confident in my assertion that none of the mutations we've seen yet reduce virulence, but that some do increase it. actually i haven't worked on that project for a few months but if a mutation that did increase virulence had arisen i'd be put straight back on it so even though my knowledge is a bit out of date i don't think it changes my conclusions.

i have been in the lab a few times to shadow because i think it is vital to see first hand where the data comes from and it gives you a better feel for what biases will be introduced. though you can never account for all of them, if i tried to model everything the technology would have moved on and a completely new set of biases would arise in the time it took. they've occasionally let me do some pipetting but that's the extent of my lab experience!!

Bagseed said:
got my pfizer booster a couple of days ago (had az in the spring). got a little sickish the night and day after, similar to the az vaccine, nothing too bad though.

@chinup out of curiousity, do you know why no vaccine I ever took made me sick before (never had the flu shot though). just coincidence or is there a reason for this? this might not be your expertise, but do you know something about why some vaccines do that?
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i'm afraid i have no idea. i have been ill from a vaccine before, the yellow fever one really did a number on me. the covid one was super weird, i had pfizer and it gave me horrible muscle and joint aches starting about 24 hours after both times.

i'd guess some of it has to do with the fact that most vaccines you've had would be boosters of shots you had as a kid (i remember none of mine so no idea if i got sick), so the immune system isn't completely taken by surprise? that's just speculation though.
 
This new variant is such a fucking lie. Lol so it already in israel and Europe after just getting detected in south africa how covient for the NWO and their plans of 24/7 martial law lockdown


32 mutations lol soo fake. Cant bieve anybody even believes this shit.

Have fun never getting out of this plandemic till the us army grows a pair of balls throws a coup then comes liberate the rest of the world
 
TripSitterNZ said:
This new variant is such a fucking lie. Lol so it already in israel and Europe after just getting detected in south africa how covient for the NWO and their plans of 24/7 martial law lockdown


32 mutations lol soo fake. Cant bieve anybody even believes this shit.

Have fun never getting out of this plandemic till the us army grows a pair of balls throws a coup then comes liberate the rest of the world
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I really wish I had as much faith as yourself my friend I personally have quite little but it wasn't always completely that way although being a realist I guess I always saw a fair portion of writing on the wall from such a long time back.

I just didn't expect to see such a full blinding hideous script in my own lifetime.

And I still swear we haven't seen anything yet.

And I'm not trying to fearmonger this is just my outlook and feeling and preparation now because we never expected this in 2019 this way so why are we so small minded and afraid of considering any potential eventuality.

While still hoping for the best naturally at all times and certainly try not to contribute to the opposite.

I'm just personally not looking around the globe and seeing any significant powerful corporations or leaderships with any degree of trust for Hope, from them.

No saviours out there.

Trump demonstrated that to me clearly. So far, if asteroids ended history tomorrow, Trump will go down as my pick for the Antichrist.

He truly masquaraded as the saviour. When he was just part of the play bringing us here.

He just wanted office still I reckon and got pissed when plan switched. Probably.
 
i believe they are simply bioengineering new vartiants in a lab somewhere and unleashing them once a year to not raise eyebrows. 32 mutations at once is fucking bullshit and could only be done if they were doing site directed protein engineering mutagenesis.

these fucking evil cunts in charge have no limits to the bullshit they will do to make more money on this plandemic.

fuck the plandemic freedom will be gone for the rest of the decade due to the evil fucking cunts like facui bill gates xipijing the club of rome and the fucking communists
 
TripSitterNZ said:
i believe they are simply bioengineering new vartiants in a lab somewhere and unleashing them once a year to not raise eyebrows. 32 mutations at once is fucking bullshit and could only be done if they were doing site directed protein engineering mutagenesis.

these fucking evil cunts in charge have no limits to the bullshit they will do to make more money on this plandemic.

fuck the plandemic freedom will be gone for the rest of the decade due to the evil fucking cunts like facui bill gates xipijing the club of rome and the fucking communists
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The only way I'm disagreeing with you is that rather than bio engineering new variance I think that's just the kind of show or hint, expectation how it's done.

To me, it's easier. It's just switching the frequency setting from some sort of control deck.

Same outcme and overall theme. But way more advanced, sophisticated and limitless.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
the only thing thats good is that i can make fuck loads more money trading crypto with the crash in the markets. Thanks NWO
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I feel that discussion could be expanded quite a bit too but maybe that's just me and my nutty imagination but I have probably quite a few thoughts to dig out of my subconscious already there on what is good and bad because I do actually look for the silver linings in things and the playing reality as much as it appears I am doom and gloom.

Put me in a wicked environment and I will light up the place.

The real silver linings in this particular situation and when I say that I'm talking about all of creation that we know of practically certainly civilisation and consciousness, It is taking more scrutiny to really appreciate and identify these because we have so much yet to come and to see and hopefully eventually to share some sort of understanding on.
 
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further proof that vaccines are fucking the world up by allowing this bioweapon to rapidily mutate at unnatural rates
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Imo, last thing we should have done is mass vaccinate over 1B low risk healthy people in the middle of a pandemic, its like we WANT an ADE variant.

For those that don't know what ADE (Antibody Dependant Enhancement) is, I'll try to explain using my limited knowledge (While medium drunk).

Say you are unvaxxed. ADE variant enters your body, your immune system sees it, thinks "I don't recognize that, I'll make antibodies" and the antibodies work. You'll be sick with cough and runny nose while your body flushes out the virus. If you already had covid and aren't vaccinated, pretty much the same thing (minus getting sick) except your immune system already recognized covid and has already built up a much more robust immune response (than vaccines), so it's prepared for different variants.

If you have taken the vaccines which are extremely narrow and bioengineered for one older single variant, and a newer ADE variant enters your body, your immune system thinks "I recognize that, I'll make antibodies that the vax trained me to make", except it turns out ADE variant has learned to beat those specific antibodies, and then the virus attaches to those antibodies getting a free ride throughout the body to spead even worse, and once your immune system sees that, it freaks out and creates a cytokine storm (shitload of mucus and coughing up stuff). If the infection becomes extremely severe, your immune system will attack your own body to try and beat the virus because the virus has so easily spread with no resistance. It tricked your immune system into helping to spread it.
 
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