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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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If your being chased by a bear and your friend trips and breaks his leg do you stop and try to carry him ? I don’t know about you but I’m not tryin to be eatin Ass first, got to be the worst way to go
 
mal3volent said:
Yes because that's what I do. You know me so well.
Government and media lover...that's me!
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When it comes to Covid/Vaccines that seems to be the case. I respect you tho, you showed compassion for Acklac. Whether we aggressively or generally disagree about Covid/Vaccines, I won't forget you trying to help when it counted.
 
no need for both to die
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Depends on the bear. Is it a grizzly? A polar bear? A koala? We've only got koalas here. We don't leave people behind to get mauled by those dopey little bastards.

(I feel like I'm contributing more to the discussion now that everything I'm saying is off topic but that's probably just my narcissism dancing with my self loathing again.)
 
birdup said:
Depends on the bear. Is it a grizzly? A polar bear? A koala? We've only got koalas here. We don't leave people behind to get mauled by those dopey little bastards.

(I feel like I'm contributing more to the discussion now that everything I'm saying is off topic but that's probably just my narcissism dancing with my self loathing again.)
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They're bears infected with Covid, so it's on topic.
 
chinup said:
i'd guess some of it has to do with the fact that most vaccines you've had would be boosters of shots you had as a kid (i remember none of mine so no idea if i got sick),
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That's a really good point.
 
birdup said:
Depends on the bear. Is it a grizzly? A polar bear? A koala? We've only got koalas here. We don't leave people behind to get mauled by those dopey little bastards.

(I feel like I'm contributing more to the discussion now that everything I'm saying is off topic but that's probably just my narcissism dancing with my self loathing again.)
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On topic off topic, I say let the chips fall where they may, if we end up talking about dildos with personalities stealing out women so be it
 
chinup said:
i'm a bioinformatician so i do the data crunching, designing and implementing algorithms rather than grunt work thankfully. our lab doesn't have clearance to work with viable pathogens so the covid data i've analysed has been from the NHS, though i used data from inactivated viral samples (bought in from another company) with libraries prepared, i.e. dna extraction, purification, amplification, in house in the early stages of the project. its mostly been amplicons- i.e. short segments produced either by PCR or LAMP but we've had a few whole genome samples too.

most of the clade defining mutations and mutations in variants of concern are in relatively short sections of the genome so amplicons are fine for most analysis. because they fall in similar locations, biologists have intensively studied the roles of the proteins coded for by those parts of the genome, which is why i'm confident in my assertion that none of the mutations we've seen yet reduce virulence, but that some do increase it. actually i haven't worked on that project for a few months but if a mutation that did increase virulence had arisen i'd be put straight back on it so even though my knowledge is a bit out of date i don't think it changes my conclusions.

i have been in the lab a few times to shadow because i think it is vital to see first hand where the data comes from and it gives you a better feel for what biases will be introduced. though you can never account for all of them, if i tried to model everything the technology would have moved on and a completely new set of biases would arise in the time it took. they've occasionally let me do some pipetting but that's the extent of my lab experience!!


i'm afraid i have no idea. i have been ill from a vaccine before, the yellow fever one really did a number on me. the covid one was super weird, i had pfizer and it gave me horrible muscle and joint aches starting about 24 hours after both times.

i'd guess some of it has to do with the fact that most vaccines you've had would be boosters of shots you had as a kid (i remember none of mine so no idea if i got sick), so the immune system isn't completely taken by surprise? that's just speculation though.
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That’s awesome you like to get your hands dirty, I only ask cause Iv talked to someone who works in a lab like that and says there has been times they were told to do something a certain way even tho they knew the outcome would be somewhat misleading or inaccurate but want to keep their job so just do what they were told, how much truth behind that I can’t say but just found it interesting
 
Electrum1 said:
Imo, last thing we should have done is mass vaccinate over 1B low risk healthy people in the middle of a pandemic, its like we WANT an ADE variant.

For those that don't know what ADE (Antibody Dependant Enhancement) is, I'll try to explain using my limited knowledge (While medium drunk).

Say you are unvaxxed. ADE variant enters your body, your immune system sees it, thinks "I don't recognize that, I'll make antibodies" and the antibodies work. You'll be sick with cough and runny nose while your body flushes out the virus. If you already had covid and aren't vaccinated, pretty much the same thing (minus getting sick) except your immune system already recognized covid and has already built up a much more robust immune response (than vaccines), so it's prepared for different variants.

If you have taken the vaccines which are extremely narrow and bioengineered for one older single variant, and a newer ADE variant enters your body, your immune system thinks "I recognize that, I'll make antibodies that the vax trained me to make", except it turns out ADE variant has learned to beat those specific antibodies, and then the virus attaches to those antibodies getting a free ride throughout the body to spead even worse, and once your immune system sees that, it freaks out and creates a cytokine storm (shitload of mucus and coughing up stuff). If the infection becomes extremely severe, your immune system will attack your own body to try and beat the virus because the virus has so easily spread with no resistance. It tricked your immune system into helping to spread it.
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Covid pathology is due to the innate immune response (recruitment of neutrophils causing lung wreckage). Adaptive immune system (b and r cells) response intensity is correlated with less severe covid. Vaccination increases b cell and t cell responses.

Also dengue fever (the poster child for ade) is a pretty specific pathology. Antibodies cause the dengue particles to get internalized in leukocytes (mainly macrophages and neutrophils). These five a safe haven for the virus to replicate while increasing immune cell destruction.

Epidemiologically, we haven't seen any ADE yet with covid in either vaccinated or naturally immune cases. This is a pretty robust effect in dengue which occurs if you develop immunity to one serotype but not others (by either means). Most viruses are unlike dengue and don't produce this effect.
 
its because it uses the spike protein and not a inactivated virus. The spike protein binds to your cells and fucks u up anyway even without the covid bioweapon attatched to it.

The spike protein is what causes the vascular damage and is why there is leading rise of heart attacks in males world wide from these vaccine shots
 
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