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I didn't sleep that badly, but I take it unrefined and orally so it has a very long half life in the body, in my experience of oral opium wd (known as Polish here, but oral opium is my best description of it, it's the most delicious thing in the world even though it tastes disgusting, lol) is slow to start and slower to end, day three is the worst, can't say when it ends because I've never completely got there, even after two months of only bupe and weed last summer.

The two meds I have now that I didn't have last time are temazepam for sleep and imodium which I never normally use because it works too well. The only time I've used it before it seemed like my digestive system went into reverse and (it was way beyond disgusting) came out the top end instead, at the same rate, definitely not an improvement.

I got the imodium that dissolves under your tongue, that might even trick my body into thinking it got the real stuff under my tongue, for a few seconds anyway. I hope I don't have to use it.

My husband is cheering me on so hard I think I'll have to make it just so I don't disappoint him!
I have done the loperamide trick many times. Loperamide is an opiate, originally developed as a pain med. It takes a few hours to start working and lasts something like 5 or 10 times as long as normal opiates. It doesn’t provide fast or sufficient pain relief but a big side effect is that it really slows your digestive system, SO they repackaged it as an ‘anti-diarrheal’ med about 30 years ago. In low doses it’s great to stop diarrhea but in large doses it’s awesome to stop opiate withdrawal. I have done as much as 60mg x 4 per day. It makes my blood feel really dirty so there’s a bit of inspiration to taper off it as quickly as possible. There’s evidence that high-dose long-term use can cause serious heart problems. ALSO, it pushes it’s way into your opiate receptors and renders standard opiates almost useless (temporarily raises your tolerance for all other opiates significantly). It does have a wicked long half-life so acute wd from long term use can last for several weeks. Based on my own use this is how you can expect it to work if you’re using it to quit other opiates:

Plan on starting about 1/2 to 3/4 per day of loperamide compared to your current opiate. (Example: if I’m using 200mg/day oxycodone, I’m starting with 100-150mg/day loperamide in 3-4 doses). It takes 4 hours to kill wd’s. 4-5 days at that dosage, then cut back at a rate of about 25% of today’s dose every 4 days. It’s a game of percentages, not milligrams. And your math is based on what you’re taking on that day, not based on where you started. (Example: starting with 100mg/day loperamide and cutting back 25% every 4 days:Day 1-4 =100mg, days 5-8=75mg/day, days 9-12=55mg/day, days 13-16=41mg/day, days 17-20=30mg/day,etc) Every drop of 25% is math based on whatever dosage you’re at in that moment.

These numbers are only a starting point. You might need to go more slowly or start at a larger dose. You may also be able to go faster (i.e. starting with less and cutting back more). Just know that you will feel dirty from the inside and you will be horribly constipated. Laxatives are a must and definitely eat plenty of things like raisins and other fruits that will help you pass a bag of bowling balls. And if you’re going down that path you absolutely need to get off loperamide as fast as you can stand it. If you think the wd’s from your current opiate are bad..... loperamide is way worse and lasts for months.

In the USA loperamide is over the counter, but they stopped allowing large packages a few years ago. I found it online in bottles of 100 pills, but at the store the largest package is only 16 pills(2mg each pill). Cool thing is that it’s available in any pharmacy and most grocery stores. Not cheap but 100x better than illegal drugs. Very convenient when traveling.

The biggest problem with loperamide is that your plan MUST be to use it to quit all opiates. If you use it to ‘temporarily’ quit, you will actually be screwing yourself. I did it to bridge myself to my next prescription and really only raised my tolerance for oxy by 4 or 5 times. The end result was that I ran out faster the next month. PainfulOne had the same experience and it took several months to get back to where her normal prescription worked again. And if you wind up dependent on lope.... you’re looking at months of serious withdrawals.
 
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I have done the loperamide trick many times. Loperamide is an opiate, originally developed as a pain med. It takes a few hours to start working and lasts something like 5 or 10 times as long as normal opiates. It doesn’t provide fast or sufficient pain relief but a big side effect is that it really slows your digestive system, SO they repackaged it as an ‘anti-diarrheal’ med about 30 years ago. In low doses it’s great to stop diarrhea but in large doses it’s awesome to stop opiate withdrawal. I have done as much as 60mg x 4 per day. It makes my blood feel really dirty so there’s a bit of inspiration to taper off it as quickly as possible. There’s evidence that high-dose long-term use can cause serious heart problems. ALSO, it pushes it’s way into your opiate receptors and renders standard opiates almost useless (temporarily raises your tolerance for all other opiates significantly). It does have a wicked long half-life so acute wd from long term use can last for several weeks. Based on my own use this is how you can expect it to work if you’re using it to quit other opiates:

Plan on starting about 1/2 to 3/4 per day of loperamide compared to your current opiate. (Example: if I’m using 200mg/day oxycodone, I’m starting with 100-150mg/day loperamide in 3-4 doses). It takes 4 hours to kill wd’s. 4-5 days at that dosage, then cut back at a rate of about 25% of today’s dose every 4 days. It’s a game of percentages, not milligrams. And your math is based on what you’re taking on that day, not based on where you started. (Example: starting with 100mg/day loperamide and cutting back 25% every 4 days:Day 1-4 =100mg, days 5-8=75mg/day, days 9-12=55mg/day, days 13-16=41mg/day, days 17-20=30mg/day,etc) Every drop of 25% is math based on whatever dosage you’re at in that moment.

These numbers are only a starting point. You might need to go more slowly or start at a larger dose. You may also be able to go faster (i.e. starting with less and cutting back more). Just know that you will feel dirty from the inside and you will be horribly constipated. Laxatives are a must and definitely eat plenty of things like raisins and other fruits that will help you pass a bag of bowling balls. And if you’re going down that path you absolutely need to get off loperamide as fast as you can stand it. If you think the wd’s from your current opiate are bad..... loperamide is way worse and lasts for months.

In the USA loperamide is over the counter, but they stopped allowing large packages a few years ago. I found it online in bottles of 100 pills, but at the store the largest package is only 16 pills(2mg each pill). Cool thing is that it’s available in any pharmacy and most grocery stores. Not cheap but 100x better than illegal drugs. Very convenient when traveling.

The biggest problem with loperamide is that your plan MUST be to use it to quit all opiates. If you use it to ‘temporarily’ quit, you will actually be screwing yourself. I did it to bridge myself to my next prescription and really only raised my tolerance for oxy by 4 or 5 times. The end result was that I ran out faster the next month. PainfulOne had the same experience and it took several months to get back to where her normal prescription worked again. And if you wind up dependent on lope.... you’re looking at months of serious withdrawals.
I'll not give up forever and my digestive system is troublesome to start off, but in a tight spot it is really good to know a way to legally stop wd.
I made it almost 48 hours without green then had a bong last night when I couldn't sleep Wow, it blew my head, definitely going to work on my cannabis tolerance too. So that helped even though I spent the niight lying in my own sweat forever with my headphones on to distract myself (music is my next favourite thing after my family and drugs).

It's really helping that I wasn't doing this stuff until recently, I used to drink gallons of poppy pod tea, but not so much since my brain discovered something stronger that doesn't make me pee every five minutes.
What is helping is the fact I've so many routines surrounding pod tea, how I prepare it is part of the habit for sure. When I was only doing the tea, my long standing procedure for max extraction was effective and also very enjoyable.
So whenever I tried to quit before I really missed all of it, not just the drug.
I've not been doing this stuff long enough to even develop a favourite ROA yet, nevertheless it has become my DOC for sure.
So all I'm obsessing over is my little jar of black goo and maybe thinking of sticking in a cocktail stick to get a little then stick in absorbing places in my mouth. I love that feeling.
Enough.
I'm doing ok, these emojis say how I am, all of them :cry: 🥵 🥶 💩 :hammer: :rofl:
Oh here's Angry chair by Alice in Chains come on the playlist, very appropriate, lol
 
If you wanna quit its not good to have around you some stuff except those which you can use to ease withdrawl.If i have a jar with tar or even pods no chance to quit
 
If you wanna quit its not good to have around you some stuff except those which you can use to ease withdrawl.If i have a jar with tar or even pods no chance to quit
It's always how I do it. I figure if it's here then I'm not obsessing about how to get some. It works for me. (she says, then realises if it worked she wouldn't be sick now :oops:)
I have some nerdy tendencies for data, so I did one of those pee tests to see how I was doing last night (before the bong). Still positive for morphine, thc, benzos and "other opiates", but surprised to be negative for Buprenorphine already, I thought that might stay positive longer since it's a pharma patch and all.
I gotta do something to keep me sane!
 
If you wanna quit its not good to have around you some stuff except those which you can use to ease withdrawl.If i have a jar with tar or even pods no chance to quit
Having thought about it, you're right. I accidently touched the jar yesterday while searching for something else and I burst into tears that I couldn't have it. The surface of that jar was so beautifully cool to the touch, it was like it lingered on my fingers and I had to leave the room, but I didn't open the jar.
 
It's always how I do it. I figure if it's here then I'm not obsessing about how to get some. It works for me. (she says, then realises if it worked she wouldn't be sick now :oops:)
I have some nerdy tendencies for data, so I did one of those pee tests to see how I was doing last night (before the bong). Still positive for morphine, thc, benzos and "other opiates", but surprised to be negative for Buprenorphine already, I thought that might stay positive longer since it's a pharma patch and all.
I gotta do something to keep me sane!
Ideally, we could just decide to stop and that would be the end of the story. Go through some diarrhea and insomnia, just enough, and move onto the next chapter of life.
Naz47 is right... for most people. Best to keep the temptation sequestered. For me it’s usually better to not deny myself access to my DOC only because I need to learn how to live with it but not use it. Kind of like quitting alcohol when it’s available everywhere.
..... That hasn’t worked yet for me with opiates, but I’m still hopeful that someday there will be a bottle of pills at home that I only use for emergencies.
 
Having thought about it, you're right. I accidently touched the jar yesterday while searching for something else and I burst into tears that I couldn't have it. The surface of that jar was so beautifully cool to the touch, it was like it lingered on my fingers and I had to leave the room, but I didn't open the jar.
What kind a menagement you do?Bupe tappering or switching on it from tar.Or withdrawling with help of something
 
What kind a menagement you do?Bupe tappering or switching on it from tar.Or withdrawling with help of something
Noone knows, I'm like a closet junkie getting bupe for pain from the doctor and a lot else, but I've gone off bupe. I liked it at first, now not so much. So I've got ten or more spare patches that I plan to use for travel when needed. They're not strong enough I guess, because I've messed up my tolerance, but I'm fixing that now. I'm always cautious around doctors, say the wrong thing and it'll be there on your record forever. So thanks to the innocence of my doctor I've a lot of meds stashed everywhere and here goes another gabapentin, sláinte.

I'm not sure why it isn't as bad as any time before. Either because it's still in my system or my six day abstinence, which was only two weeks ago, helped more than I ever could have expected. That was WAY harder than this time. It's probably both and I'll get it when it leaves.

No cancel that last sentence because I just ate a couple of ounces of poppy seeds in my breakfast twenty minutes ago. The poppy seeds I have make opiate naive people high when they eat them, so I was told when I shared them.

So I'm feeling ok again and poppy seeds are harmless and legal, if I end up addicted to them, they are actually very nutricious. All the spellings have fallen out of my head today and I'm not spellchecking that one.
 
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Noone knows, I'm like a closet junkie getting bupe for pain from the doctor and a lot else, but I've gone off bupe. I liked it at first, now not so much. So I've got ten or more spare patches that I plan to use for travel when needed. They're not strong enough I guess, because I've messed up my tolerance, but I'm fixing that now. I'm always cautious around doctors, say the wrong thing and it'll be there on your record forever. So thanks to the innocence of my doctor I've a lot of meds stashed everywhere and here goes another gabapentin, sláinte.

I'm not sure why it isn't as bad as any time before. Either because it's still in my system or my six day abstinence, which was only two weeks ago, helped more than I ever could have expected. That was WAY harder than this time. It's probably both and I'll get it when it leaves.

No cancel that last sentence because I just ate a couple of ounces of poppy seeds in my breakfast twenty minutes ago. The poppy seeds I have make opiate naive people high when they eat them, so I was told when I shared them.

So I'm feeling ok again and poppy seeds are harmless and legal, if I end up addicted to them, they are actually very nutricious. All the spellings have fallen out of my head today and I'm not spellchecking that one.
Poppy seeds are nutritional indeed.Eat em:)And yes may be they would impact the ckecking test on markers:opiates
 
I go from a bowel movement every day to getting my prescription and nothing for several days afterwards.

There I sit
Broken-hearted
Tried to shit
But only farted.

I have never used a plunger so much in my life.

Funny how autocorrect goes blank when I’m typing a dirty word.
 
The law about the flower itself is ambigious in most places.Yoi cannot prepare or extract,possess latex or straw.But most of the people in the country side grow this like ordinary flower with all other types of beautiful flowers.There are many gardens group of flowergrowers which do not consume it,but enjoyd and share photos.
 
I feel like my life is going backwards. I can’t eat whatever I want for fear the wrong food will mess me up. I can’t sleep much at night, but I’m exhausted and falling asleep during the day. And I get applause for having a bowel movement. I feel like a little kid who just started going #2 in the toilet and sleeping in his own bed.

Next will be mom mom packing my lunch and sending me off to college.
 
I feel like my life is going backwards. I can’t eat whatever I want for fear the wrong food will mess me up. I can’t sleep much at night, but I’m exhausted and falling asleep during the day. And I get applause for having a bowel movement. I feel like a little kid who just started going #2 in the toilet and sleeping in his own bed.

Next will be mom mom packing my lunch and sending me off to college.
Ain't laughing at your predicament...just the way you worded it.

Feel better soon.

Hopefully you can start going forward again.
 
Noone applauding my trips to the loo, they're all complaining about the stink, lol.
So food coming out quicker than it went in, otherwise hanging in here, missing it like hell.
Me too. I go from wishing I never started down this path to wishing I could just have all the oxy I want. In between I keep swinging from planning to be smart/taper aggressively, to deciding I might as well enjoy one more day and begin the suffering tomorrow.
Tomorrow I’ll decide it was stupid to take a whole crap-load extra yesterday, but today I’ll decide it’s totally worth it to use all of my pills for one last great night.
 
How’s this for unbelievably stupid. I have been taking 25-30 Percocet’s per day for the last 5 days. At 375 mg Tylenol (APAP, Acetaminophen, Paracetamol. Different words for the exact same thing) per pill.... I have been taking about 10 grams per day. I tried cold water extraction but I did something wrong and just gave up. Anyone with half a brain would say I’m guaranteed to destroy my liver. Fortunately (or unfortunately, dunno) I come from a long line of functioning alcoholics on both sides of my family and nobody ever had liver problems.
I keep telling myself that it’s good because I’m scared and that stops me from taking even more, but that’s probably a lie that I tell myself to justify my abuse of the pills. I guess we’ll all see where it leads.
 
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