Mental Health Benzos: How bad are they long term?

[nznity]

Oh my god man it's happening again

I am hallucinating due to alcohol withdrawal

I can hear voices

Careful with that... delirium tremens ain't no joke.

 

[darvocet21]

Fucking poison. Theres studies that it kills the growth and birth of new brain cells. Fucking think about that. Luckily shrooms can reverse that.

A round of applause, for shrooms!

 

[AutoTripper]

Partly laze. Partly additional psychosomatic habituary dependance cycles to lose, mostly fear of one more accidental OD from uneven dissolution.

To be safe. It's ridiculous I know. But it's worked.

I have been using neat powder over a week, randomly guessing, making pretty sure not to take a silly dose, so far so good there.

Except I have absolutely no clue what doses of Etizolam I am actually taking now and at what time. Just going by feel and need as needs have been great temporarily.

But so far just randomly taking a guest amount why I probably 5 to 10 mg minimum maybe up to 15 sometimes I'm just guessing I haven't checked this out yet and I will get for a measure of it soon for now it's working.

Safer randomly eyeing neat powder. Best way too really. No oil in the way.

 

[darvocet21]

Partly laze. Partly additional psychosomatic habituary dependance cycles to lose, mostly fear of one more accidental OD from uneven dissolution.

To be safe. It's ridiculous I know. But it's worked.

I have been using neat powder over a week, randomly guessing, making pretty sure not to take a silly dose, so far so good there.

Except I have absolutely no clue what doses of Etizolam I am actually taking now and at what time. Just going by feel and need as needs have been great temporarily.

But so far just randomly taking a guest amount why I probably 5 to 10 mg minimum maybe up to 15 sometimes I'm just guessing I haven't checked this out yet and I will get for a measure of it soon for now it's working.

Safer randomly eyeing neat powder. Best way too really. No oil in the way.

Dude why not spring for a scale

 

[Nas47]

Bad for cognitive abilities when you used a lot or for a longtime.This are strong meds.Bad for you dream.Dangerous combos with others.Cannot imagine buy some powder on bulk that supposed to be some benzo.Pharma benzos seem to be safest alternative

 

[Nas47]

Based on what I know about DTs, they typically occur around the 72 hour mark. I was between 36-40 hours. I'm never going that long again because it was just awful. I am back at home drinking again..

If wonna quit drinking why not stickin only to benzo.cause this are potentiatot on each other

 

[JackARoe]

I have been using neat powder over a week, randomly guessing, making pretty sure not to take a silly dose, so far so good there.

Except I have absolutely no clue what doses of Etizolam I am actually taking now and at what time. Just going by feel and need as needs have been great temporarily.

Hey Autotripper just catching up here. Have not had too much time for BL other than to get my football picks in.

But what I wanted to say is a lot of people probably have a lot of good advice and support for you with your situation. I mean I don't care how much someone has scooping powder out of a bag means the stash will run out. And 2 years sneaks up on us quick. If you ever feel like starting your own thread I'd love to participate. I usually have lots to say but don't want to derail some of these threads. (like this lol)

As far as the mind, I know some very intelligent people that have been on benzos for years and are fine. I know people that never touched a benzo that are mentally compromised. The mind and brain are a muscle. Exercise it and I believe it will stay healthy and well. I mean I know a few programmers thats use daily benzos and they do some intense complicated work. I believe that is do because they use their brain.

 

[Nas47]

I was addicted to benzos so I'm scared of withdrawals returning.

The tremors, anxiety, and insomnia were horrible.

Having said that, alcohol is almost worse in a way. Because it's so easily accessed. I never have to worry about fake or underdosed booze. That is a concern when buying benzos from anonymous people online. Hell, I've even had overdosed bars. Either that or they were just some insanely potent RC benzo that I wasn't used to.

Bad when you are addicted and cant get on prescribed meds.

Thank you my friend I have my own thread about the lysergamide enquiry which is really a long term passion. And my expectation from the off there was that unless any moderators deemed it inappropriate somehow that anything within relative reason goes.

So anything you want to share about the 49 butterflies on your beautiful Acer tree outside please feel free if there is nowhere else you feel you can confidently express that as they would be therapy or use that would certainly be one place I would refer people.

Using the powder it's not quite as reckless as it sounds because I was having really serious problems with accidental overdoses using olive oil which basically there is no dissolution and very irregular and unpredictable doses catching me by surprise at times.

One time I took what would be 5 mg on paper I could see it was quite thick but didn't expect it to be more than say 15 mg on reflection I was pretty sure it must've been something like 35.

It's happened a number of times involving blackouts for 6 to 8 hours and sleepwalking and some major stress and disruption at home and danger it's happened again accidentally two weeks ago and I did actually injure myself breaking ribs in my back as well as jamming the small of my back and diaphragm which were locked in spasm.

Again purely because I had no idea what I was actually taking because of the irregularity in the olive oil I would be using PG solution except on very allergic to it like most things.

What I need to do with the powder is basically get a reliable gauge by I of how many milligrams is what.

So far I have not attempted using a scale I know how to do this and the tool to get this measure I have just been going by affects knowing that I'm pretty unlikely to take an accidental huge overdose and black out and enjoy myself or worse again.

So it's been very messy but I've managed to come through two weeks since the worst injury I've ever had really and so much more on top as well as six week influenza which I cannot actually remember more than a few seconds each day now that I still have with some really heavy and brilliant tripping squeezed in on top somehow since 1 mg three days after the injury and 1.2 days ago.

I am in a much better position now than I have been since phone and more comfortable so, I should be why passed the worst and it was the worst as well but also astonishing to see just how strong the mind can be to lift you up just like you say above the mind and imagination and consciousness can rule supreme.

I have always believed this and is partly why I seem so audacious and carefree with my approaches (I like to call them hacks these days lol).

Faith. In me. My mind. It's never not been there. No sign. Just hard living at times.

Thanks really @JackARoe I seen you not being here for while. Really hope you are alright mate too. Very stoned here, wicked Titanium flower desktop called Herborizer.

Be safe brother.love.but know that loving you say have passed its a serious thing.Care about yourself

 

[Nas47]

Bad when you are addicted and cant get on prescribed meds.

Be safe brother.love.but know that loving you say have passed its a serious thing.Care about yourself

Talk about post long-covid syndrome

 

[cdin]

Hey guys,
I've got a couple questions, I'm currently on 20mg diazepam AM and 1-2 2mg clonazepam depending if im relaxed enough to just sleep on one cause I'm going through a rough time atm and sometimes I need 2 to knock me out and stop my racing thought.
Well, I don't plan to be taking this much for a really longggg timeeeee, ill cut off the diazepam and then slowly taper off the clonaz but im scared of WDs, I have plenty of experience with opi and pentinoids wds but I've read BENZO WDS are the WORST. So, sometimes I think of just staying on clonaz indefinitely plus they sell it OTC iny country.
OK, anyway what I wanted to know is:
How detrimental are benzos long term?
Are they hepatoxic or nephrotoxic?
I know they fuck up with memory and shit sometimes but I feel comfy on them and can be productive/functional on them(unlike Opiates)
IM AWARE EVERY DRUG TAKES ITS TOLL ON THE LONG RUN but what if I have an infinite supply and don't really abuse em.
That's pretty much it,
Thanks in advance
nico

absolutely makes heroin/opioid withdrawals look like a joke. Does sometimes irreperable damage to the GABA/Glutamate system and your seizure threshold depending on how your body deals with it. Will cause dementia with time on the meds/age. Benzos are in NO way a safe option for long term anxiety management. They damage the systems that are already damaged, causing the anxiety. use psilocybin microdosing with lions mane to actually repair the malfunctioning brain parts, instead of damaging them further If you think your anxiety is bad now --- it will be SO much worse after an extended period of bzd therapy.

 

[Ladybug2784]

Hey guys,
I've got a couple questions, I'm currently on 20mg diazepam AM and 1-2 2mg clonazepam depending if im relaxed enough to just sleep on one cause I'm going through a rough time atm and sometimes I need 2 to knock me out and stop my racing thought.
Well, I don't plan to be taking this much for a really longggg timeeeee, ill cut off the diazepam and then slowly taper off the clonaz but im scared of WDs, I have plenty of experience with opi and pentinoids wds but I've read BENZO WDS are the WORST. So, sometimes I think of just staying on clonaz indefinitely plus they sell it OTC iny country.
OK, anyway what I wanted to know is:
How detrimental are benzos long term?
Are they hepatoxic or nephrotoxic?
I know they fuck up with memory and shit sometimes but I feel comfy on them and can be productive/functional on them(unlike Opiates)
IM AWARE EVERY DRUG TAKES ITS TOLL ON THE LONG RUN but what if I have an infinite supply and don't really abuse em.
That's pretty much it,
Thanks in advance
nico

I’m guessing I’m completely fu<Ked then. I was put on temazepam when I was 16, I am now 37, then I was put on Ativan for a few months and now I take 1mg alprazolam 4 times a day and 2 .025 triazolam at night for sleep for about 5 years now. I do not abuse my medications either, but realistically, I have no hope of getting off of these benzos, huh?

 

[Nas47]

I’m guessing I’m completely fu<Ked then. I was put on temazepam when I was 16, I am now 37, then I was put on Ativan for a few months and now I take 1mg alprazolam 4 times a day and 2 .025 triazolam at night for sleep for about 5 years now. I do not abuse my medications either, but realistically, I have no hope of getting off of these benzos, huh?

You can if you slowly tapper.If you feeling alright now dont pannic.Many people around are on benzos or ssri,snri for anxiety.Just find right schedule that will work for you and can try tappering.Just do it slowly

 

[JackARoe]

Just focus on now and today and tomorrow without building fears or a sense of imprisonment into the distance which you just cannot predict.

That is so important. Forget labels and speculation. Neither of you sound fucked and can articulate. In my opinion someone that does not need benzos but starts up is not a wise idea. But for those already using as a med and are going to be on a while that statement Autotripper made is important. Keep yourselves healthy if you are already addicted. Worry is worse than what may or may not happen. I really do think the withdrawal is more damaging if not done with care.

Being in the moment conquers all worry and any perceived brain damage. Be Here Now.

 

[nznity]

I’m guessing I’m completely fu<Ked then. I was put on temazepam when I was 16, I am now 37, then I was put on Ativan for a few months and now I take 1mg alprazolam 4 times a day and 2 .025 triazolam at night for sleep for about 5 years now. I do not abuse my medications either, but realistically, I have no hope of getting off of these benzos, huh?

I think you could quit the benzos but since uve been taking them for so long itd have to be by swtching to a long half life benzo like diazepam. Also itd have to be a really really long taper so u don't suffer unnecesarily by dripping the dosages too fast. Now, I got a question for you, do you feel any cognitive impairment, severe memory problems? because everyone here is talking bullshit about being on benzos for life. Do u feel they have had an impact on your mental capability or mental stability? Idk bcz I've already got used to taking clonazepam everyday I don't really feel like quitting. Mhmm could you please tell me how ya feel.

 

[Nas47]

What about hepatoxicity? Because I kinda constantly mix em up with alcohol, not to the point of blacking out but still dunno.
Same with my kidneys, so far from what ive read about benzos they have mínimal damage on your organs.....mhmmm what do u think?

Mixing benzo or other strong meds with alc.would have more load on your liver theres for sure.Alcohol on your own is enough hepatotoxic

 

[Nas47]

I've been on diazepam for about 6 months sometimes igo 3 or 4 days without it and I'm fine. 15 mg per day...maybe 3 to 5 days a week. I am for sure dependent on opioids.

But I am having a hard time telling if I'm dependent the diazepam. Thoughts?

Who knows?Must not taking it no less than 10 -15 days.Veeery long half-life those diazepams.And if you feel ok after this period you probably not physically addicted.Benzo addiction creeps upon you.Need much more time than opies to reveals

 

[Kellsee]

I have a intense energy and it can make me high strung. Ideally you'd think I would be the type that would find benzos helpful. But I do not mesh well with them at all. I've tried many times tho. Everyone says they've never seen them do anyone like they do me. From about 30 mins after I take one until I become aware again after everything that happens I completely lose all time and have no recollection at all of what I've done. The times I have took any I've always had 10 or more. But I only remember taking the first one. Then I get upset with everyone because I think someone stole the rest of them. But nah...I am sure I took them all. It's been 8 years since I've took any tho. The last time I woke up in a pink Pepto bismol colored drunk tank and some other female was trying to take my clothes off of me. Not a good time

 

[Robi]

shit shit and shit, just got xanax, ive learn so much from you all, no ones spoke to me about them, only jokes about mothers lil helpers, jokes on tv bout glass of wine and a zani,damn i thot i hit the jack pot cuz no one will prescribe,now im dead serious not to take them, doc gave me gabapentin, busbar, celexa and shit load of xanax over the phone, i cant sleep and panic, got thyroid checked, all good, but F meeeeeeee im not gonna get hooked, i was fent addict for a year clean now but oh my dog,looks like i could be in a world of shit, thank dog for all this insight, my inner demon says fuck it.........but boy oh boy BL has been a huge wake up call, staring at this xanax bottle, with lust and confusion, now im feeling hate for the mess i can get into

 

[Robi]

If I could get clonazepam OTC I would never stop.

I believe most of the issues with long-term benzo usage are going to be neurological rather than physical. I've not heard of kidney or liver damage from any of the commonly available prescription benzos.

Being on benzos changes the frequency of your brain waves and one of effects of this is the suppression of REM sleep.

From what I have read this can cause cognitive issues as well as contribute to other physical problems (things like cardiovascular issues) and may significantly contribute to a shorter life span. This seems to be caused by the buildup of stress hormones in the body caused by the lack of REM sleep.

Alcohol has a similar effect on REM sleep.

That's about all I can think of that's on topic.

Sorry about helping to sidetrack your thread earlier.

ty for info

 

[Robi]

absolutely makes heroin/opioid withdrawals look like a joke. Does sometimes irreperable damage to the GABA/Glutamate system and your seizure threshold depending on how your body deals with it. Will cause dementia with time on the meds/age. Benzos are in NO way a safe option for long term anxiety management. They damage the systems that are already damaged, causing the anxiety. use psilocybin microdosing with lions mane to actually repair the malfunctioning brain parts, instead of damaging them further If you think your anxiety is bad now --- it will be SO much worse after an extended period of bzd therapy.

im glad im getting scared