☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

[Cream Gravy?]

In America all new cars are going to require sensors that constantly monitor the cabin for the presence of alcohol.

Ugh... Looks like I need to maintain my 21 year old car for another 60 years or so. I was already peeved about driver 'assists' because I'm a damn safe driver, I don't need my car yanking my wheel or accelerator out of my control. No thank you. I'll take my 90s piece of junk over a new car I can't actually drive any day.

No one in America should be on the road unless they can drive manual and demonstrate the ability to do threshold braking/braking without ABS. In addition to knowing and demonstrating other laws like STAYING TO THE RIGHT UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO PASS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. Sorry. I hate driving on the interstate.

Dude, preach it. I cannot tell you in words just how often I rant about the sad state of driver affairs. People shouldn't get licensed till 18 and even then they should have to retest every few years. Every time I leave my house I see like 100 driving infractions, often in front of police in broad daylight, and NO ONE gets pulled over?! Do your fuckin' jobs pigs, ticket bad drivers and get them off the roads already so the rest of us don't get killed!

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Also, I'm just freakin' sick of people inching up behind me on hills at a light. I drive a clutch. When I let off the breaks I roll backwards, GIVE ME TWO FUCKIN' FEET! I sometimes let my car roll back real close to people's bumpers (cause I'm not a 'tard, I can drive my clutch even when they cramp me) to scare them and let them know, "CAR MAY ROLL BACKWARDS ON HILLS!"

And they're not putting cell phone detectors in cars eh? Cell phones cause SIGNIFICANTLY more accidents and fatalities than alcohol, but no, it's a GOD DAMNED HUMAN RIGHT TO TEXT AND DRIVE?!

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Yeah hahah, I'm so mad when they are too close behind me on a hill. Then I have to fuck with the handbrake and start that way.
As I enjoy seeing Tesla fail I've watched a bunch of Tesla FSD videos. One thing that I noticed is that on US roads there is a stop sign on each intersection, how annoying. Here in EU, cars that come from your right have priority so that works well. Also pretty much everyone learns to drive manually. Afaik most Americans drive automatics which is better and safer.

I hate driving though, I have major issues focusing on the road and always start dreaming, now I take Ritalin when I have a semi long drive coming.

Self driving cars are coming though, not from Tesla of course as their system sucks ass, but there are several (Chinese) companies whose self driving is incredibly impressive and require almost no disengagements, like AutoX and Baidu who have working "robotaxis" already.

 

[ecstacylover]

I took 120mg of DPT

Isn't that like a huge dose? Glad you were able to find the Seroquel at least. Anyways it sounds like you're making the right decision, life is precious, and there's plenty of things to experience besides drugs.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Isn't that like a huge dose?

Sure but I've taken 100mg before without issues and I'm on maintenance Seroquel so there's always some in my blood, which I wanted to counter. Seroquel definitely blunts things still. It's a strong dose but that's kind of the point of DPT so...
I think the psychedelic doesn't matter, once some strength level is achieved the chance of going psychotic seems very high to me. Like I said, the transition from just going through things in my head to psychosis is so seamless that it almost feels natural.

 

[tired of crap]

I won’t deny that they have rare side effects, but surely the side effects of opiate/fentanyl or research chemicals is far more risky.

Sure but RCs actually get me high. So its worth the risk, right? lol

I drive a clutch. When I let off the breaks I roll backwards, GIVE ME TWO FUCKIN' FEET! I sometimes let my car roll back real close to people's bumpers (cause I'm not a 'tard, I can drive my clutch even when they cramp me) to scare them and let them know, "CAR MAY ROLL BACKWARDS ON HILLS!"

samsies.

 

[Jabberwocky]

@Buzz Lightbeer

Really sorry to hear about your experience mate. Besides being truly horrible and terrifying I know you were really looking forward it and it must be disappointing to feel you are now shut out of tripping forever. I don’t know anything about the drug you took but I did have a few random thoughts when I read your post as I’ve had a few bad trips in my life that were quite like what you described.

When I was in my late teens and early twenties most of my trips ended up like that some degree (but probably not as extreme). I presented to a doctor more than once from being unable to handle. In retrospect and thinking about why for many years it was likely a combination of too low a dose and a psychological unwillingness to release any part of ego whatsoever. It doesn’t apply in your case but there is sciencey evidence bad trips are more likely on lower than ideal doses than on higher than ideal doses (with ideal being 150-200ug depending on what paper you are reading).

Your trip also sounds like ones I have had as a much older adult when I combined acid with strong stimulants or was coming down from them when I decided to trip. The combination of starting to sober up, being exhausted, but still having that obsessive thought-loop or steroetypy focus on one task thing going on from the meth going on when the acid hits has been a recipe for nasty experiences for me when the LSD makes the obsession jump from something harmless like rearranging my bookcase to listing every sin I have ever committed and trying to calculate whether I was definitely doomecd to hell or had enough time to repent and make amends.

I know terror on psychadelics and you have all my sympathy. Glad you were well prepared for an emergency bailout and are back in action now.

 

[Jabberwocky]

On that note about the risks of combining stims and LSD, I have decided to bring my mental reset forward by a day. I think 5.5 days with nothing to add to tolerance is as good as 6. It’s early afternoon here, it’s nice and warm though, and there is likely to be a cool change and rain in about 5 hours around about sundown which is the perfect time for me to kick off. I’ve got a easy-to-carry-and-not-forget courier bag with anything I might need and the dog and we’re going to start with a walk and the park for as long as that stays good for both of us.

So setting looking fine. Set might be less than perfect though. I didn’t post a great deal about it from embarrassment and possibly shame but I did bust 4 or 5 days ago when a few sips of GBH for the first time led me to a 12 hour old-school @Atelier3 (for those who remember) city-wide sex and drugs blitzkrieg. I think it involved, coke, MDMA, viagra, GHB, and definitely meth. I survived fine but now it feels that I reset myself to stim-fiend and the dial is stuck again. So rather than control that with valium and seroquel or Abilify I’m going to risk smashing the dial with LSD.

Apart from abstract worry about reverting to stim-fiend chem-sex addict for the next years until I’m bankrupt again, I’m actually in a pretty ok mood. I had a good sleepin to get over the massive deprecation from earlier in the week, I’ve been outside in the sun playing catch with the dog a few times, and I’m wearing my favourite boots - which I’ve had for 30 years and are splattered in all kinds of paint from some of my old artist friends. Wearing them always makers me feel kind of low-key together and cool.

When I post this message I’m dropping 600 ug of WoW. It’s from a very reliable supplier and tests fine but I’ve never tried it before. So I plan on immediately walking the 15-20 minutes to the pharmacy and re-filling a script for seroquel and valium since I’m all out after the blitzkrieg. It’s on the way to the park anyway.

Also, on the off-chance that this new WoW stuff is garbage I have 3ml of vodka containing 900 ug of something that when in original blotter form was truly spectacular. I also bought a couple of sugar cubes, cause that vodka is rough straight.

See you later on, or maybe not. The future is very very uncertain at this very minute but I have high hopes.

 

[birdup]

And they're not putting cell phone detectors in cars eh?

They are implementing new technology into speed / red light cameras that detect drivers using mobile phones. It is currently undergoing trials in Australia and other countries.

 

[Xorkoth]

I've been spending the past 2 weeks putting some intensive learning I have taken upon myself into action for work, and using Python Django to develop a web app for work. Without going into too much detail, it is a platform for managing extremely large data files that we use to load respondent information into surveys and create unique entry links into surveys and load information for use within the survey. Currently the process we use is incredibly archaic and involves excessive use of Excel and sending manually to various services to remove records with emails and phone numbers on do not call lists, etc... dedup against exclusion lists and other projects, aggregate data and create flags, segments, etc. Right now the guy who does most of it is spending up to a day on a single project, and ends up with 20-25 intermediate files, manually uses vlookup to dedup files against other files, manually creates stuff that can be done programmatically. It boggles the mind. The platform I'm designing is really coming together and I'm nearly done. It's the first time I've attempted a front and back end combination of this magnitude and I'm kind of addicted to it, it's so fun to do. I'm working on it now in fact, at almost 1am Friday night. Now all of the various steps are integrated into an interface and you can perform all the processing steps automatically with a few button clicks, and linking up various APIs instead of manually doing it all. Should make a day long process end up taking 15 minutes or so.

It gives me a lot more confidence that I am going to be able to execute the other, more complex development efforts I have in mind.

 

[simstim]

On that note about the risks of combining stims and LSD, I have decided to bring my mental reset forward by a day. I think 5.5 days with nothing to add to tolerance is as good as 6. It’s early afternoon here, it’s nice and warm though, and there is likely to be a cool change and rain in about 5 hours around about sundown which is the perfect time for me to kick off. I’ve got a easy-to-carry-and-not-forget courier bag with anything I might need and the dog and we’re going to start with a walk and the park for as long as that stays good for both of us.

So setting looking fine. Set might be less than perfect though. I didn’t post a great deal about it from embarrassment and possibly shame but I did bust 4 or 5 days ago when a few sips of GBH for the first time led me to a 12 hour old-school @Atelier3 (for those who remember) city-wide sex and drugs blitzkrieg. I think it involved, coke, MDMA, viagra, GHB, and definitely meth. I survived fine but now it feels that I reset myself to stim-fiend and the dial is stuck again. So rather than control that with valium and seroquel or Abilify I’m going to risk smashing the dial with LSD.

Apart from abstract worry about reverting to stim-fiend chem-sex addict for the next years until I’m bankrupt again, I’m actually in a pretty ok mood. I had a good sleepin to get over the massive deprecation from earlier in the week, I’ve been outside in the sun playing catch with the dog a few times, and I’m wearing my favourite boots - which I’ve had for 30 years and are splattered in all kinds of paint from some of my old artist friends. Wearing them always makers me feel kind of low-key together and cool.

When I post this message I’m dropping 600 ug of WoW. It’s from a very reliable supplier and tests fine but I’ve never tried it before. So I plan on immediately walking the 15-20 minutes to the pharmacy and re-filling a script for seroquel and valium since I’m all out after the blitzkrieg. It’s on the way to the park anyway.

Also, on the off-chance that this new WoW stuff is garbage I have 3ml of vodka containing 900 ug of something that when in original blotter form was truly spectacular. I also bought a couple of sugar cubes, cause that vodka is rough straight.

See you later on, or maybe not. The future is very very uncertain at this very minute but I have high hopes.

Sounds awesome. Hope you have an awesome trip

 

[deficiT]

So, psychosis...
I took 120mg of DPT, became very anxious in the beginning as was expected after months of not tripping and taking APs daily which are the literal opposite of psychedelics. I started getting véry hot and went out of the room I was in, music was starting to sound very uncomfortable. So I went to my living room and started pacing and thinking, I was like okay, just calm down, you're just tripping way too hard for what you can handle right now, you've been here before, just relax and push through, it will all settle soon like it did on the last DPT trip. Then the thought loops also really started, something like this:

Relax man, it's just you.
Wait, don't say it like that.
This is so typical.
Wait NO!! You did it again
I shout STOP (when I say it, it's like time rewinds to the beginning of shouting STOP and I see myself shouting it, it happens again and again...)
This is not right, this is not right
FUCK DON'T SAY IT LIKE THAT
Come on man, you're okay, didn't do anything wrong (I started overthinking some really dumb stuff I did)
Wait, hahah, alright, just chill
No wait, not chill, just uhm
NOOO don't say it like that, (time rewinds again, my whole body twitches and I see myself saying NOOO again)
S-S-STO-STOP

These things happen over and over again, constantly in my head and completely delusional.
It's different from AL-LAD where I was in full ego death and had no clue about anything, here I still had a sense of self. For some reason it took me at least an hour after dosing to take Seroquel, I don't exactly remember why I waited so long, but it goes to show the mindfuckery of a psychotic mind. Since I knew what was happening I was kind of calm throughout but I still couldn't stop the psychotic tendencies, like thinking something, then thinking NO FUCK THATS WRONG, something again to "fix it", and it's wrong again etc etc etc.... Also the shouting of words in the hopes to "fix" what couldn't be fixed. It's like my brain was completely short circuited.
It was very reminiscent of AL-LAD where I constantly did this as well. At some point the visuals changed to this eerie look that was 100% similar to my AL-LAD psychosis and the DPT feel was completely gone, it was then that I took Seroquel as I was 100% sure that I was psychotic then and things slowly went back to normal over the course of an hour, these little psychotic tendencies of flashbacks to words and trying to fix, and be wrong again were still there but I got more back in control. An hour after Seroquel I was pretty much back to normal.

There are some things I forgot about, mainly what I "understood", as I also did on my AL-LAD psychosis, I thought I'd remember but I didn't. I couldn't put it into words either at the time, but I just knew.

I don't know what stimulant/sleep deprived psychosis is like but I imagine that psychedelic induced psychosis is very different. There are no shadows or entities, it's just you fucking with your own head. I also imagine this is very different for each individual.

I was lucky that I still had a sense of self, such that deep down I could stay calm while on the surface I was a playing ball of the psychosis. The AL-LAD psychosis was different because there was zero sense of self and no control at all.

Going from non psychotic to psychotic felt very natural, like going over things that made me anxious, I do that on every trip, but something snapped very early on that wasn't normal, it took a while for me to realize that. I think I fully realized what was happening when I had these inklings to shout words.
I think it can happen for me on any psychedelic, there is no point in taking one anymore. I can't trust myself anymore, and my psychotic state of being is about the most ugly place I could ever find myself in.

So I'm fully done with tripping, it's legit dangerous for me, and it's about time I gave up. I fully concede that I have a mental illness, and concede that the people that always say, don't trip with bipolar, are right. In the future, if any bipolar individual comes around and wants to trip, please advise him to have APs around at all times and to not fuck with high/heroic doses. I've tripped many times, but as my bipolar got worse over time something was bound to snap.

It sucks cause I'm sitting on an EPIC drug stash and you guys know how much I loved tripping, I would even take hours out of my day to be able to just talk about my favorite drugs lol. They're the best and it's not even remotely close. And I was damn good at it too. I just didn't win the genetic lottery.

It's time I step away and get on with my life, I need to refocus. End of a true era!!

Damn man, sorry you've had to come to this realization. Idk if I'm bipolar, or borderline, or what, but I've definitely had uncomfortable trips and come to the realization that maybe some things just aren't for me. I'm definitely not done with tripping though and I don't think I could walk away from it. The psychotic states I've had from stimulants + dissos together far outweigh anything I've experienced on psychedelics.

All in all, tripping is still a very positive, therapeutic experience for me most of the time.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

In the US, the COVID vaccines are no longer “experimental” as they have been granted full FDA approval. The mRNA vaccines contain 4 basic ingredients: the active mRNA, fats to surround it, salts and sugar to stabilize it.
I won’t deny that they have rare side effects, but surely the side effects of opiate/fentanyl or research chemicals is far more risky.

Sorry bro it killed every animal they tested it on. FDA said oxycontin wasn't addictive to yet here we are. I'll just take my chances with my natural immunity to the cold. If you want to sign up for the experiment be my guest. Just don't complain when they come out 10-20 years from now and admit it causes problems. They can't even be sued, in America, where someone that breaks into my home and trips on a skateboard can sue me for damages. That should enough to give anyone pause.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

So, psychosis...
I took 120mg of DPT, became very anxious .....

You know yourself better than anyone but I really think if you would have attempted to ride this out things would have ended better than attempting to abort with another drug. The first 30 minutes-1 hour of DPT was like this for me. I took a very similar dose and had a very bad time at first. Changing the setting changed the entire nature of the drug.

Nasal DPT just seems to want to torture you for the first part of the trip. I've heard tons of stories about it that were similar to yours and my own breakthrough with it. DPT is going to show you every bad thing about yourself before it shows you a way to move by it. That's just how it is in my experience with it. I think that's why it's so useful for people seeking to quit addictions.

 

[simstim]

@HeadphonesandLSD @Buzz Lightbeer

DPT doesn't have to be like that at all. If you all both had a difficult experience and both used similar amounts then I definitely recommend a lower amount.

My first time I tried 50mg. That was great. So I tried 65mg, then 75mg, then 80mg, then 90mg, then 110mg.

90mg was amazing! It really felt almost exactly like a heavy LSD trip but compressed into 2 hours!!

When I tried 110mg I had been drinking liquor and I blacked out for the duration of the trip. Apparently I also urinated on the kitchen floor because there was a large puddle there when I came out of it.

I decided 110mg might be too much and 90mg was the dose for me.

The next time I got a gram I tripped continuously for almost an entire 24 hours by doing 90mg lines every every two hours. It was amazing, it was awesome, it was a heavy trip. It was perfection.

If you do DPT again I would encourage you to consider trying a slightly lower dose. DPT is really my favorite psychedelic and it doesn't have to be like you guys are describing.

Maybe try somewhere in the 65-80mg range just once to get a feel for DPT that isn't so terrifying sounding.

Just a suggestion. Please think about it. Hope you are well. Cheers!

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Is anyone even reading what I said?

I had a full on psychotic break on AL-LAD, this was exactly the same with the difference I still had a sense of self. The classical DPT effects were gone very fast, I had a body and brain overheating because of dopamine flooding, I was in the exact same type of space as on AL-LAD and I had a brain that was broken and wanted me to shout nonsense all while pacing around because I was couldn’t stay still. There was nothing there, my brain short circuited very early on, I knew it so there was no chance I was gonna ride that out sober.

I’ve tripped many times and sometimes very hard, I was once in full on existential panic mode on 25i-NBOME for an hour or two, psychosis is so different. It’s my psychedelic ego talking here, but it was not a ”bad trip”, neurochemically things go wrong, I’m there realising it and minimising any damage I’m doing all while staying calm as shit given the circumstances.

 

[porkstock]

Sorry bro it killed every animal they tested it on.

Sounds like made up bullshit to me. You have a link for that?

Covid-19 vaccine did not kill every animal it was tested on - Full Fact

A Facebook post is wrong to claim animals involved in vaccine trials died from sepsis, immune disorder or cardiac failure.

fullfact.org

100s of millions of people have taken it so far and the vast vast majority are not dropping dead.

You know what can kill you? Shooting up fentanyl. I can’t wrap my head around how someone could be ok with that but be scared of a vaccine.

My RC drug use was a big reason for me to get the vaccine. If I can munch on untested chemicals for fun, that literally have not been researched, then I can take an “experimental” vaccine that actually has went through safety testing

 

[Cream Gravy?]

They are implementing new technology into speed / red light cameras that detect drivers using mobile phones. It is currently undergoing trials in Australia and other countries.

Thank God at least some government somewhere is considering real road hazards. Drunks don’t kill nearly as many people as phones do now. If fat ass Americans didn’t drive big cushy automatic transmission cars they wouldn’t be able to text and drive in the first place (I can’t in my Miata at least, need my hands for wheel and shifter) but that’s besides the point.

I’d rather be on a road full of drunks than a road full of 18-60 year olds texting.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I’m pro vaccines and believe that people should get vaccinated.
But I’m firmly against bullying people into taking the vaccine. In my country we’re up to 90+% of adults vaccinated. Still everything is pinned on that small % of people, who are being denied access to many things. They’re talking about denying them everything including their right to work, that is insanity and makes no practical sense. Austria even announced a lockdown for the non vaccinated. How is a couple % gonna make that big of a difference, much of it is even people that almost certainly won’t die from COVID or will end up in the hospital.
It has been a theme throughout the pandemic, the “numbers” are bad, so they take measures that make zero sense because they have to do something. The non vaccinated have been a very handy scapegoat, I can somewhat understand the hysteria in the US, but many European countries are a prime example that even very high vaccination rates don’t do enough.

It is still peoples individual rights we’re talking about, I believe very strongly in that.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Sounds awesome. Hope you have an awesome trip

It’s been wonderful but did have a rough moment 4 hours in when I wondered if maybe I’d underdosed relative to what might have been optimal and chugged A LOT of my untested vodka infusions and had a mind bending second come-up that took a bit of work to digest and integrate.

Still tripping balls and happy chilling on the sofa back at home after 4 hours wandering through nature and a thunderstorm listening on and off to the favourite songs of my 20s and delighting in so many long-lost memories re-appearing with emotional resonances still attached.