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I actually am still feeling this DOPR more than I expected to be at this point, it's still hard for me to focus on more than one activity at a time particularly when eating lunch, and I'm smoking too so that's definitely helping it.

Yes I found them quite similar as well.
If only we could enter DOI into the equation to have fully established things.

I think that's probably going to be my next amphetamine. I've got one and a half blotters so that's all I'll have to go on, but I'm looking forward to it.

Either way, if you take like 4 DOC pills orally, you will trip hard like never before and I guarantee that it'll hit fast and hard, forget about a come up of 2 hours. =D

This is a truth. That blotter I had way back when that turned out to be a DOx that I mentioned before, I took ten of them once and was getting some of the strongest geometric visuals of my entire life within fifteen minutes.
 
DOXs can be snorted and I have heard good things, but the [potency increases and they are already so potent that unless you have a microgram analytical balance scale (very expensive), you can't accurately measure the dose. That's the main reason people don't do it. You could make a nasal spray, I never have though. I also enjoy the long come-ups from DOXs, it's part of the experience. It's not the type of trip where you want to get slammed all of a sudden, the come-up and slow transition to peak and then slow transition to plateau is part of the experience.

Impressive you could sleep on it, Kaleida. I took it at 10am, and the only reason I could sleep the SECOND night was etizolam. Then again I am just bad at sleeping. LSD keeps me up for 16+ hours. Even something like 2C-B keeps me up well longer than the noticeable effects last.
 
I think that's probably going to be my next amphetamine. I've got one and a half blotters so that's all I'll have to go on, but I'm looking forward to it.
Nice!!!
I have very high hopes for DOI, a chance at a full dose would make my fucking year. I understand that it is not as much of a mental steamrolling as DOB and with a cleaner amphetamine buzz. I already know that it’s either gonna be a big hit or a complete miss, I think it’s gonna depend on whether I fall into the same nothingness as I did on DOPr, something that Australian guy mentioned in the DOB thread once. Big DOB lover but DOI was useless according to him. Then there are others for whom it’s the complete opposite :) fantastic huh, all this potential but out of reach… for now!

This is a truth. That blotter I had way back when that turned out to be a DOx that I mentioned before, I took ten of them once and was getting some of the strongest geometric visuals of my entire life within fifteen minutes.
Ten?? Jesus Christ, you ever find out what DOx it was, or any guesses?
 
Yes I found them quite similar as well.
If only we could enter DOI into the equation to have fully established things.

Fwiw I heard that vaping DOC does work well, maybe it was even preferable to snorting, you will find this info on Reddit for sure. @simstim
Either way, if you take like 4 DOC pills orally, you will trip hard like never before and I guarantee that it'll hit fast and hard, forget about a come up of 2 hours. =D I've never gone that high with DOC myself but there are plenty of crazy stories around. Apparently there's really something to high DOC dosing, but there's also a high risk of psychosis among plenty of other things, on intense DOx trips, at least that what I gather from reports.
I was thinking about jumping in at 9mg originally just because I'm crazy. I've since decided to try snorting a single 3mg dose the first time to get a feel for it first.

I want to trip HARD and I'm having a hard time achieving that lately.

Like I need a 7g mushroom trip or something. It's been over 15 years since I had a 7g mushroom trip.

Even doing a line of 4-aco-dmt so fat that I blacked out and fell over on the floor didn't make me trip the way I wanted to. The visuals just weren't up to par with past trips.
 
Impressive you could sleep on it, Kaleida. I took it at 10am, and the only reason I could sleep the SECOND night was etizolam. Then again I am just bad at sleeping. LSD keeps me up for 16+ hours. Even something like 2C-B keeps me up well longer than the noticeable effects last.

I actually just woke up again lol. I passed out on the couch watching hypnagogic hallucinations.

I think it used to be the case that things would keep me awake when I first got into tripping, although I would mostly trip at night too so it was hard to tell. I do specifically remember that many years ago, I made a horrible scheduling mistake and was forced to try to sleep through a LSD trip that had only just recently started, and after that I don't really remember having much trouble with sleeping on psychedelics again. I think the earliest I've gone to bed after taking LSD since then just because was something like around six or seven hours in.

I think the fact that I still ate regular, big meals throughout the day and smoked cannabis slowly from the beginning of the experience definitely helps me get there by the time night comes around too, though.

Nice!!!
I have very high hopes for DOI, a chance at a full dose would make my fucking year. I understand that it is not as much of a mental steamrolling as DOB and with a cleaner amphetamine buzz. I already know that it’s either gonna be a big hit or a complete miss, I think it’s gonna depend on whether I fall into the same nothingness as I did on DOPr, something that Australian guy mentioned in the DOB thread once. Big DOB lover but DOI was useless according to him. Then there are others for whom it’s the complete opposite :) fantastic huh, all this potential but out of reach… for now!

I hope you get that chance and I'd love to hear what you think about it. I've heard some pretty good things about it too, though also some pretty crappy experiences from others. I bet I'll get something out of it personally because it's that I find a psychedelic where that's not the case, but I definitely need to make sure I do it with the optimal set and setting since I only get one shot. I hope it's kind of similar to but different from DOC and DOB in a way sort of like how 2C-I is compared to 2C-C and 2C-B actually, that would be pretty cool.

Ten?? Jesus Christ, you ever find out what DOx it was, or any guesses?

Well, I only took that much because I was naïve and thought it was LSD at the time. Unfortunately I don't and never will know what it is, although my actual guess at the time was... DOI, lol. I had heard it might be around on blotters at the time from a friend of the dealer I got those blotters from but I never found out if they were the same ones. The thing is that the trip was so long ago, so removed from my known definite DOx trips, and so early in my tripping and drug-using career in general, that even though it's obvious that the trip had a DOx style to me rather than comparing to the LSD I took later on, it's really hard for me to meaningfully compare it to my other DOx trips, at least on the level where I feel I could try to confidently guess which one it actually was. Then again, maybe I only think that because it really was DOI, and that's one of the ones I haven't otherwise knowingly tried yet.

That ten blotter trip ruined me for other psychedelics for a while after. I figured all visuals were going to get like that if I just pushed far enough. Wrong. I'm still waiting for even one more thing to be like that again. The surface of the cannabis I was smoking became covered in clear mirror reflections that I could see myself in completely vividly and opaquely as I smoked it.

I don't necessarily expect that trying this DOI will help me confidently identify what that blotter was even if actually was DOI too, though if it does, I'll be psyched to finally close that chapter. If it's not that, it's either something I've already tried anyway or maybe DOM.... I'm not sure it really could have realistically been any of the others.
 
I was thinking about jumping in at 9mg originally just because I'm crazy. I've since decided to try snorting a single 3mg dose the first time to get a feel for it first.

I want to trip HARD and I'm having a hard time achieving that lately.

Like I need a 7g mushroom trip or something. It's been over 15 years since I had a 7g mushroom trip.

Even doing a line of 4-aco-dmt so fat that I blacked out and fell over on the floor didn't make me trip the way I wanted to. The visuals just weren't up to par with past trips.

For some reference in case you haven't seen them:

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=48646 - 9 mg oral.

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=73492 - 10 mg oral.

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=108833 - 10 + ? mg oral.

It's definitely doable, though I think snorting 3 mg is probably a better first time plan than taking 9 mg orally. They would both be pretty strong for most people though I've known other people to want to push further too.
 
If you haven't tried DOC before, I would recommend giving it a try below a heroic dose. The DOXs are VERY strong substances, I can always expect a full, satisfying trip any time I use them. I can have tripped 2 days in a row (like at a festival) and anything else would have a hard time touching my short term tolerance, but even 2mg of DOC will cut right through. I'm kinda sensitive to it but I don't think you should jump in at 9mg. You should maybe jump in at 4mg, which is orders of magnitude stronger than 2mg (which is my usual dose). DOC produces some vasoconstriction so until you know how it will affect you, you should start lower than approaching the highest doses anyone has taken (I realize there are a few reports of absurd overdoses, some of which have resulted in death and/or loss of toes/limbs from vasoconstriction).
 
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For some reference in case you haven't seen them:

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=48646 - 9 mg oral.

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=73492 - 10 mg oral.

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=108833 - 10 + ? mg oral.

It's definitely doable, though I think snorting 3 mg is probably a better first time plan than taking 9 mg orally. They would both be pretty strong for most people though I've known other people to want to push further too.
Yeah I'll probably get my toes wet first. It wouldn't surprise me if 9mg was my second dose though, lol. We shall see how that goes when I get some cash flowing.

I've been a bit of a hardhead this summer. I'm the first person to report ingesting 60mg of BOD on bluelight (anywhere? Which is not all that intense by the way, well it's way more intense than 30mg but still kinda mildish? mostly just long) Also, the first to report insufflation.

They're selling BOD in 30mg tablets so I would say it's likely I'm not the first to have tried taking two of them at once? maybe just the first to report it. If not then someone would've tried it sooner or later. I thought 30mg was really mild but it's probably also true that what's pretty mild for me these days would really blow away a noob.

I like to push limits, but within reason. I didn't try 60mg the first time I tried BOD. I tried 30mg. So I'm likely to get my toes wet first with DOC too.
 
Yeah I'll probably get my toes wet first. It wouldn't surprise me if 9mg was my second dose though, lol. We shall see how that goes when I get some cash flowing.

I've been a bit of a hardhead this summer. I'm the first person to report ingesting 60mg of BOD on bluelight (anywhere? Which is not all that intense by the way, well it's way more intense than 30mg but still kinda mildish? mostly just long) Also, the first to report insufflation.

They're selling BOD in 30mg tablets so I would say it's likely I'm not the first to have tried taking two of them at once? maybe just the first to report it. If not then someone would've tried it sooner or later. I thought 30mg was really mild but it's probably also true that what's pretty mild for me these days would really blow away a noob.

I like to push limits, but within reason. I didn't try 60mg the first time I tried BOD. I tried 30mg. So I'm likely to get my toes wet first with DOC too.

I'm almost 100% certain there's someone on Reddit who's reported using 100 mg of BOD before. I'll see if I can find it again.

I'm actually really sensitive to it, I get decent effects from 15 mg, and that sort of sensitivity is part of why I'm cautious to recommend jumping into heavy dosages with these sorts of things too. That's probably for the best with the DOC, but yeah, once you've tried it and know how it hits you, I mean, go for it. It's been done before. I would definitely recommend reading those reports when you've got the time though, I just finished going through them again myself for the first time in years and they're pretty nuts, gave me some ideas too....

Tell me BOD doesn't have more Body high than DOC Doc! Lol 🙂

Not even close for me, although I did find BOD to have a unique somewhat disorienting effect that was sort of like, the head rushes you get when standing up quickly after smoking a lot of cannabis (especially with low tolerance). It almost made me feel like I was on a slightly nauseating sedative or something sometimes, but it wasn't that bad. It made me wonder if maybe it's doing it by binding to adrenergic receptors or something, who knows. The much higher dosages others have taken than myself suggests to me it's at least likely not really a dangerous effect.
 
Tell me BOD doesn't have more Body high than DOC Doc! Lol 🙂
Probably not. The most I really noticed from BOD was some jaw tension and maybe neck tension. It really is more like what I think a 16 hour version of 2c-d would be like than how I would imagine DOM feels.

I can compare it directly to 2c-d though. I couldn't directly compare it to DOM.

Best for adding some nice warm phenylamine flavoring to combos at a long festival was how I put it in the small and handy I think. I tried it once with hefty amount of MDMA and that was really awesome!!

BOD plus LSD sounds amazing to me. I've never mixed a lysergamide with a psychedelic phen before.
 

I'm really not surprised that this already existed. I commented in the small and handy that I thought this would be better at more 2c-d like doses and didn't know why Shulgin didn't attempt them.

I saw someone else had been pushing doses up too.

45-100mg is a lot more 2c-d like dosage than Shulgin's maximum of 25mg. Just one of the pills I had was 30mg...
 
I was actually planning a high DOC dose before Seroquel came along.
I've taken up until 5mg and I'm quite confident in the potential bodyload. I really wonder how the peak DOC space really compares to DOB/DOPr, I have a feeling that "low-ish" doses don't fully reveal the true DOC character. Or maybe I'm totally off, it's also been over 2 years since I last took DOC. Maybe for the best that I didn't ever try.

Well, I only took that much because I was naïve and thought it was LSD at the time. Unfortunately I don't and never will know what it is, although my actual guess at the time was... DOI, lol. I had heard it might be around on blotters at the time from a friend of the dealer I got those blotters from but I never found out if they were the same ones. The thing is that the trip was so long ago, so removed from my known definite DOx trips, and so early in my tripping and drug-using career in general, that even though it's obvious that the trip had a DOx style to me rather than comparing to the LSD I took later on, it's really hard for me to meaningfully compare it to my other DOx trips, at least on the level where I feel I could try to confidently guess which one it actually was. Then again, maybe I only think that because it really was DOI, and that's one of the ones I haven't otherwise knowingly tried yet.

That ten blotter trip ruined me for other psychedelics for a while after. I figured all visuals were going to get like that if I just pushed far enough. Wrong. I'm still waiting for even one more thing to be like that again. The surface of the cannabis I was smoking became covered in clear mirror reflections that I could see myself in completely vividly and opaquely as I smoked it.

I don't necessarily expect that trying this DOI will help me confidently identify what that blotter was even if actually was DOI too, though if it does, I'll be psyched to finally close that chapter. If it's not that, it's either something I've already tried anyway or maybe DOM.... I'm not sure it really could have realistically been any of the others.
You were smoking cannabis on top?? After 10 blotters, wow. You're one of a kind Kaleida =D
It would indeed be surprising if it were 10 DOB blotters, one can only imagine...
 
You were smoking cannabis on top?? After 10 blotters, wow. You're one of a kind Kaleida =D
It would indeed be surprising if it were 10 DOB blotters, one can only imagine...

I always smoke while tripping. :P Actually, if I'm not mistaken those blotters might have been the first trips I started smoking during.... I didn't have a whole lot of free reign to do any drug whenever and wherever back then compared to now as young people often don't so I didn't really have much of a chance before around then.

That was a great day, honestly. It was my nineteenth birthday and my first time dosing that high on anything. A friend had offered me his house to trip at (even though his parents were still there, at one point he told his dad I had too much to drink and that's why I was rolling around in bed lol) and another friend of mine who had started DJing at a local EDM club came and set his gear up in the bedroom so that he could do a private set tailored for me while I just laid in the psychedelic madness. At first we were in the garage with several friends smoking some beautiful buds almost completely covered in white crystals that I had just managed to get for the occasion, but when that fifteen minute point came and I was already hallucinating insanely hard, I told them to smoke as much as they want and went to the bedroom for most of the rest of the experience that took place at that house. I remember thinking that I had died but not feeling connected to any of the stress of it, and felt that there was nothing to but just lie perfectly still, drifting away into it all. Synesthesia was amazing and hilarious, one I always remember clearly is that I started gripping the bed tightly in the standard super stimmed up way, and as I did I saw all the visuals behind my closed eyes constrict and tighten into two focal points on either side, and as I let go of my grip on the bed, both points dramatically released, oscillating back and forth decreasing towards their normal look, making a very obvious BOI-OI-OING sound as they went back and forth. I know at one point I got up to pee and everything in the house was moving massive amounts of space through the constant and universal distortions, complete objects being anywhere and everywhere except where they actually were; the guy who let me come over to trip had posters of sexy women all over his room and they were all constantly moving like real people making faces and winking at me and stuff like that.

At some point the other friends came to join us in the bedroom and my DJ friend finished his set and we decided to put on Pineapple Express for everyone to have something to do together even though I was lost in my trip. I remember watching the TV be displayed several times repeated like carts around a Ferris wheel-like geometric visual, and all of them were playing a realistic image of the movie, but every one of them was showing the same scene happening in a different way. It was confusing and I ended up closing my eyes and reaching my arms out to play with some kind of cube that I called the time cube, where I could spin it or grab the edges of it and pull and twist them in different ways and time would speed up or slow down around me in uneven ways, and after what felt like hours of experimenting with this and the senses around it I figured that the movie must be over by now and my friends were probably getting pissed at me for being so lost in myself, so I opened my eyes, and it was literally still like the very first or second scene of the entire movie playing. When the movie did finally finish, I'm not totally sure where things went from there.... I know that by the time night came around some of us ended up at the aforementioned EDM club where I took some tabs and rolled overnight while watching the walls of the club look like alien spaceship-type visuals. That's the last thing I can remember about that experience.

One time like a month or two before that, I took five of those blotters while in my college dorm room, but then decided I want to be able to smoke something (which I couldn't get away with there, and especially didn't want to try while tripping) so I got in my car and drove about five seconds to this little parking lot just outside the dorm building area where there was this nice little grass field and big tree to look at it and it was late at night so everything was kind of extra surreal looking, and I started smoking the bowl I loaded in the car, and the whole world exploded into cartoony but 3D fractals and distortions, and then I started seeing and hearing mumbling lips appearing all over my vision, adding up until they become completely overwhelming... and then, out of nowhere, I was suddenly coming to outside standing in the very middle of a nearby street with no memory of exiting the car. I went back to my dorm room after that lol.

Whatever it was, it sure was something.
 
holy fuck i went on a trip last night with this girl i didn't really know, but wow she was the only in my whole life outside of my family who ever put some effort into my birthday, i had literally hung out with her like twice. Shit what i experinced last night blew my fucking mind lol next level shit man the universe is a magical place
 
I'm just about to hit T+35:00 with the DOPR, and I can definitely still feel it going. Most DOx molecules would still be giving me a little something at this point, but this does still feel a bit stronger than I would have otherwise expected by now. I'm relatively exhausted (I've had worse) but the high is still not unpleasant, my body is still buzzing a bit and relaxed. I pace occasionally and I'm still thinking about stuff. I still feel the need to focus on one thing at a time a lot of the time, like I haven't had much music on unless I'm really listening to it, and that kind of thing. I wonder how long it's going to go for.... I predict I'll be asleep again soon so I guess I'll see in the morning.



I heard this song the first time I took those old blotters and it's affected me ever since. Memories.
 
I'm just about to hit T+35:00 with the DOPR, and I can definitely still feel it going. Most DOx molecules would still be giving me a little something at this point, but this does still feel a bit stronger than I would have otherwise expected by now. I'm relatively exhausted (I've had worse) but the high is still not unpleasant, my body is still buzzing a bit and relaxed. I pace occasionally and I'm still thinking about stuff. I still feel the need to focus on one thing at a time a lot of the time, like I haven't had much music on unless I'm really listening to it, and that kind of thing. I wonder how long it's going to go for.... I predict I'll be asleep again soon so I guess I'll see in the morning.



I heard this song the first time I took those old blotters and it's affected me ever since. Memories.

It's been over twenty years since I've heard this song so I hearted it.

I've been so ripped about not rolling tonight. It was really on my mind. Tripping too. Flipping maybe. Party on younger generation.....
 
Day... three? I didn't feel much when I first woke up but I smoked half a bowl of cannabis or so and it's definitely altered still, though it's certainly not strong. I get the impression that it's going to be difficult to differentiate between the end of the slow fading and the afterglow, so I probably won't consider it going much more unless something more clearly like a continuing altered state effect occurs, but I have to say, I do feel pretty nice right now. It's been a good couple of days.

has anybody ever fucking seen somebody pull out objects out of thin air while fucking trippy i cant believe it even happened and we both were mind blown holy fuck!

I'm not sure I can exactly relate, although you reminded me of a description of a friend's trip that I was sort of sitter for. Coincidentally, it actually took place on the same unidentified blotters from many years ago that I've been talking about for my last several posts, although it was actually just one of those blotters plus a modest recreational dosage of diphenhydramine. He and I both took the same dosage, but then he became completely delusional and I had never seen that happen to someone before that point, which made me super amped up trying to make sure he was okay and not hurting himself in any way, and I don't remember subjectively tripping myself in any way after that started.

So, here's the thing really quick.... I'm literally crazy but I was also definitely even more eccentric back then, and I've always found everything about tripping in any way to be fascinating, and it was all pretty new to me back then so I was extra excited about it. Also, this friend who actually had the trip effect I'm going to describe was someone who I was very actively hanging out with at the time because we met at the same EDM club I mentioned before and bonded over an interest in trying as many different psychoactive substances as we could possibly get our hands on pretty much as often as possible, and discussing the known science behind how they work to try to guide us into making safer but also more novel decisions, and so we also had a lot of twisted humor specifically about drugs with each other that we couldn't enjoy so easily when talking to others, and I was actually particularly fascinated by deliriants at the time (and using them). So, sometimes when we were hanging out together, when we'd be talking and laughing or whatever, I would suddenly pause for a moment, drop my face to go completely deadpan and wide-eyed, turn to him, and say, "Hey, what if you're on Dramamine right now?" He was not a fan of this, heh. So, keep that in mind.

Back to the trip, the blotter and some diphenhydramine. It was the two of us plus the dealer-friend who we got the blotters from and a mutual friend from the club scene, who I don't believe were tripping, they may have been rolling or something based on what seems most likely from those people in that time period but I'd never be able to remember that now. Our trip was starting, I distinctly remember seeing psychedelic visuals starting to kick in that were also turning into grainy palm trees with a deliriant sort of style, and then we went out to the patio for the rest of them besides me to smoke a cigarette, which I didn't do at the time but had done just randomly when high on other things before, so I decided to take one, and as soon as I lit it and took the first drag, I looked up and my tripping friend was looking at me kind of concerned and confused, and he was like "You don't smoke...." (We hadn't known each other for very long at this point.) Even though I had never seen a reaction like what was coming next at this point, as soon as he said that I was already internally just kind of like "Oh...... shit." That was the last moment of his sanity for the night.

From the outside perspective, what happened is that he would start asking a somewhat stereotypical series of basic questions about where we were and what was happening breaking down into actually asking about the actual meaning of specific concepts, and then he would suddenly claim to have "realized his epiphany" or something along those lines (very close to that), but then he would say something like "OH SHIT, IT'S COMING BACK." and start screaming literal gibberish. We were at the apartment of the dealer-friend and he did some things like kick over and break one of her lamps, and at one point he was going to try to jump off the patio (second story I think...) to prove to me that he was already dead, which I luckily talked him out of doing some way I no longer recall. After another bout of insanity, he's finally sit down again and drift off for a moment, then loop back to the beginning of his questions, sometimes with that whole process happening really quickly, and sometimes now, and lasted several hours until he finally passed out still delirious but seemingly more comfortable. He, I, and the friend from the club scene had really no grasp of how crazy people could get before that so we were blown away and I was apologizing a lot to the dealer-friend, but she was basically like "Yeah, yeah, seen it before." lol.

Anyway, as for how this all comes together to relate to what you said.... When he woke up the next day, supposedly feeling much better and claiming that the day two actually felt pretty great by comparison to the day one, he explained to me what exactly he was mainly going through at the heaviest and most consistently recurring part of his loops. He said we would all four of us be sitting in the main bedroom together (which is definitely where the loops always seemed to start over from my perspective too) and he would look to our mutual club friend, who look straight at him and start asking things like, "Are you thirsty?" He would apparently seem concerned and then reach into his shirt and pull out a bottle of water to hand it to him. Then he would say something like, "Oh, do you really need your phone?" and reach into his shift again and pull out his phone. Finally, after a few rounds of this, he would say, "Is what you really need... a trip?" and reach into his shirt and pull out an entire alternate reality that came rushing out towards the tripping friend, and it would contain an infinite field of TV-like screens, and they would suddenly all have my face in them, turning to him and saying, "What if it's all a Dramamine dream?" and that's when he would be like, "OOOOHH FUUUUCKKKK-" and get sucked into madness all over again.

I don't say that to people anymore.

It's been over twenty years since I've heard this song so I hearted it.

I've been so ripped about not rolling tonight. It was really on my mind. Tripping too. Flipping maybe. Party on younger generation.....

It's a good one. Sorry for your loss but thanks. :P
 
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