Quitting phenibut journal

negrogesic said:
like going down 10mg/day we'll see.
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In a perfect world mnn. 10% a week or two is normal as you know. What us scarying ya so that ya wanna do this fast taper?
IMO? This is goanna cause an issue. Dont believe me as it is hopefully bullshit and all in the head but at least have something on hand to brace yerself and become stable with just in case. Havent went through it but may try it soemday and vs alp wd comparsons- gods forbid).
eaasy folk
 
3,949mg, down 3mg. Going pretty well. Its sort of like a cold pool, its hard to get in at first but once you get used to it, its fine.

6am-64-14m said:
What us scarying ya so that ya wanna do this fast taper?
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Not trying to fast taper, just not trying to go slow considering the high dose (according to psychonaut wiki, this dose is considered a "heavy" dose and ive been taking at least this amount nightly for over 6 years).

This rate is definitely too slow though, its like a fraction of a percent a week. Just trying to get used to it i guess.
 
3,949mg, down 3mg. Going pretty well. Its sort of like a cold pool, its hard to get in at first but once you get used to it, its fine.

6am-64-14m said:
What us scarying ya so that ya wanna do this fast taper?
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Not trying to fast taper, just not trying to go slow considering the high dose (according to psychonaut wiki, this dose is considered a "heavy" dose and ive been taking at least this amount nightly for over 6 years).

This rate is definitely too slow though, its like a fraction of a percent a week. Just trying to get used to it i guess.
 
Do any research on pre/post diet effect(s) Like the mag/alum shit?
Not gonna prtend to know every thing about everything (wll lol ) but yars ago when i was put on gabap dr told me about this shit. And to be careful with naproxin sodiumm as it "makes it stronger".
Any of this "talked" to you about an all?

I get the wiki thing it appears that dropping more more or less has a "positive" vs "neg" outcome but only to a certain degree. Will go back and see... been a few years.

I see shit where mf doing tubs a day you got this bro if this is your goal. lol
 
@negrogesic how long have you been on 4g bro? sounds rough

I had a 1g/day habit for about a year (combined with alcohol), and when I started librium I stopped the phenibut and had phenibut withdrawal even through my 150-200mg librium doses (not too bad, but kinda surprised me the librium didn't take care of it).

Phenibut dependence seems deceptively horrible

you got this bro
 
he knows hes got this its just a fuckin bitch. :rolleyes:
bro with this brom sol i havent even taken my pregab Rx. Man I wish I had answers. Guess it's time to go down another fuckin rabbit hole cause i want answers and will look for em.
If memory serves me correctly I think I am dosing phenibut more often... gotta recalculate that shit, too.
Akways something but congrats of the drop.
 
Wow you can control your dosing like that I am impressed. Bro every time I get near phenibut I megadose so much I feel like I might die
 
3,942mg, making progress.

I think i feel a difference in terms of cognitive improvement hard to say.

The one time my scale broke and was, not to my knowledge for sometime, off by around 40%, i felt anxious as hell, but better and more myself in some regards.

Fuck these scales though. My good scale broke so im relying on these low grade milligram scale. I have a few so i cross reference them sometimes but still. Thinking of dissolving the phenibut in water and dosing volumetrically but this is tricky due to high doses. How does one go from say 3,950mg to 3,945mg volumetrically? Of course if its 1mg/ml or something its easy, but that would be like 4 liters of water per dose.

Even at 10mg/ml that is like a beer can full of liquid per dose.
 
dragonix said:
Wow you can control your dosing like that I am impressed. Bro every time I get near phenibut I megadose so much I feel like I might die
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Not much to control, i feel no high from phenibut. Occasionally it will enhance music but thats it. And giant doses feel gross.

Pregabalin on the other hand does have a clear high, at least before you get used to it. Pregabalin is why i am on phenibut now. I was taking 900mg/day for a few years, and couldn't sleep after quiting.
 
negrogesic said:
Pregabalin is why i am on phenibut now. I was taking 900mg/day for a few years, and couldn't sleep after quiting.
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Rx-ed it and i do my damndest to keep my distance, mucht rather be on benzo that actually works. workinin it out in my head.
that is over a half a g drop is it not iirc? ???
well done. this is not invincible like our minds are. :)
 
3,940mg, down 36mg since I started this. Frankly 36mg isn't much but its start.

I've gone down everyday since I started this. Glad I did. Thanks again!

It frankly hasn't been too noticeable, the dose decreases that is. I've been sleeping ok.

The time my scale broke and i unknowingly went down around 40% for over a week produced some horrible sleep and awful dreams.

I remember one such phenibut withdrawal dream. In the dream I had gone over to mom's house and she was in the kitchen cooking dinner. She was cooking something in alot of oil and she spilled the oil on the floor. She then tried to pick up the hot oil with her hands and was getting massively burned in a horrifying way. More oil on the stove was splattering from the stove and i could intensely feeling splattering on to me and burning me too. A very horrifying and physically painful dream. That is the type of sleep you get when you finally fall asleep after being up all night in phenibut withdrawal.

However that 40% dose reduction induced withdrawal didn't extend to just poor sleep. I was anxious all day long, intensely so, and didn't realize what it was from. Intense and abrupt anxiety has a sort of psychosis like and disorienting aspect to it, where you become a bit confused. I had no idea why I was suddenly so anxious and didn't suspect it was phenibut. I just found myself in it, and started buying anxiety relieving supplements (l-theanine, ashwagandha, mulungu, beta-alanine) to try to treat it. It was almost as if in my mind I had simply always been that way, intensely anxious. It took me over a week to realize my scale was broken. Indeed, acute phenibut withdrawal can produce full blown psychosis in a way similar but different than benzo withdrawal. From what I've read, severe phenibut withdrawal produces more frank and immersive hallucinations than benzo withdrawal, also more agitation and combative behavior. I was reading about some guy who quit cold turkey and started hallucinating, tried to strange his girlfriend then started stabbing himself in the neck, eventually dying.

Not that i think I'd do that but i do wonder what cold turkey from this dose would be like. I told my girlfriend that if im ever hospitalized for any reason to tell them that I have a baclofen addiction (because baclofen is so similar to phenibut and likely the hospital would do nothing if she told them it was phenibut). Of course I'm sure my girlfriend wouldn't remember, i doubt she even remembers the word baclofen 🤸🏻‍♀️
 
negrogesic said:
Not that i think I'd do that but i do wonder what cold turkey from this dose would be like. I told my girlfriend that if im ever hospitalized for any reason to tell them that I have a baclofen addiction (because baclofen is so similar to phenibut and likely the hospital would do nothing if she told them it was phenibut). Of course I'm sure my girlfriend wouldn't remember, i doubt she even remembers the word baclofen 🤸🏻‍♀️
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At least have them say you read "My Way Out" by that French doctor (Amiesien?), where he suggests pretty huge doses of baclofen to cure alcoholism, and that you've been following his regimen. Doctors, especially in the ER, tend to treat alcoholics much less contemptuously than they do drug "abusers" (especially of prescription drugs).

Unfortunately that's all the advice I really have on the topic; hope your taper is a success one way or another.
 
3,938mg (down 2mg)

I've gone down every day since making this journal.

I'm going to have to start making larger decreases though if I want to get anywhere.

It might be in my head but I think I'm starting to see a decline in my musical abilities/enjoyment. Its one of my biggest concerns because I'm a musician of sorts. Once of the main things i notice about phenibut is increased music appreciation and creativity about 5 hours after taking it. Sometimes to a very significant degree. My theory is that phenibut withdrawal will cause the reverse, so im a bit concerned.
 
IMO... it's all in the head.
Just stay stable.
This will come in super handy for those generations who come after. :) (if there will be other gens)
<3
 
Down to 3.935mg. Feel like I've been having a more difficult time lately but I think its because ive been taking more dexedrine during the day.

Amphetamine seems to counteract phenibut and decreases GABA-B system function, its probably not the best for me right now. Interestingly, phenibut also has anti-amphetamine properties, and blocks the actions of beta-phenethylamine. Not a great combo.
 
The Wizard of the Creek said:
Try to see if you can get on some baclofen to taper off of phenibut. You don’t have to tell the doctor it’s for that reason, but at least you will be prescribed a GABA B agonist similar to phenibut and be under a doctor’s care? Baclofen isn’t a difficult drug for doctors to prescribe ime. Gabapentin also works well for tapering off phenibut.

Just some suggestions.

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I have plenty of baclofen and also f-phenibut (ie "4-fluorodeschlorobaclofen") but am thinking my dose is still a bit to high to switch, i dunno.

Gabapentin might work too but that the whole reason im on phenibut in the first place 🤯
 
negrogesic said:
It did not turn out too well. I tapered down with the help of a doctor but i when i finally jumped off, probably at too high of a dose, i experienced severe withdrawal and intense psychosis for around 18 months. Experiencing psychosis like that leaves a permanent impression on a person (psychologically and physiologically), those intense fear states are unforgettable. I was convinced that i was afflicted by some sort of parasite of indeterminate origin. It was horrifying. I remember wearing multiple layer of gloves on my hands and even feet; i took a shit and it appeared as if some sort of biting flies flew out and attacked me. Due to the non linear progression of benzo withdrawal (one week you feel like you're getting better then the next week its worse) it feels like it never really ends. Eventually i got better and was off them for years. But in 2010 I developed another benzo habit, not quite as bad, but still quite bad technically. The doses were high, but not as obscene. Quit that in 2012 and have been off benzos since, using them rarely. However it was then that i switched to pregabalin and later gabapentin.

Of course phenibut/gabapentinoids withdrawal isn't quite as bad benzos, being more of a physical anxiety than the mental hell that benzo withdrawal produces but the insomnia from gabapentinoid withdrawal is a bit worse than benzo withdrawal. During benzo withdrawal you can force some horrible low quality sleep, but with gabapentinoid withdrawal you are wide awake. As a natural insomniac this can be very challenging.

Need to get off this stuff though, life is too short to spend it in some phenibut daze. Its been 6 years already. I have sort of minimized it as not a big deal given the scale of my past but it is a big deal.
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I used seroquel and trazadone when I stepped off the Valium taper,also gabapentin,and tramadol,I kinda tapered all three of them down to a low dose then jumped off, I’d get 4-5 hrs a night if I took the seroquel,trazadone and as time passed my sleep time increased to what it is today , I could get 7 hrs of sleep without taking anything but it was a long process to get here ( a few months).

I also occassionally used Xylazine .30 ml would let me dose off in 5 minutes flat for 4-5 hrs , I started this at a very low dose for my body weight and went up from there and found what works for me .
 
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