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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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I've missed a few pages of this thread and probably won't go back to read it since it's just the same rhetoric being trotted out here.

Some of you herald these vaccines as heroic safety measures and seem to think others need to take them.... I'd give your head a shake and just consider your own life and needs and stop listening to howler monkeys that say we all need their candy and somehow we not only must eat it but pay for them making it too.

I'm really surprised how few of you are actually capable of thinking for yourselves but are very capable of telling others how they should act.

At some point I'm still hoping a decent vaccine is made I'd like to travel feely again and not have the panicking monkeys make rules driving me in a direction I have zero intent of going.

I have a job waiting for travel restrictions to come off or I can get vaccinated so I've told the company to solicit the government to remove travel restrictions. I can wait, because I can afford the time it takes to make my choice work. A lot of people don't have that choice. Some people need work now or they starve, lose their homes etc. Our laws, specifically the laws regarding freedom of movement, will hamper our economy and people will become more and more disadvantaged. People on the bottom rung of society, like those living in shelters, are the first casualties of these aggressive laws that are removing freedoms.

I don't care if you fear covid, the delta variant or just like watching the media circus since it's not an American election year, these laws are removing freedom of choice from a lot of people. I hear a lot of voices yelling some lie about how if I get vaccinated I'm protecting someone else?... If you feel fear get a vaccine. Other people's fears or lack of them should not be your issue. Instead realize those individuals who have somehow twisted the truth in your mind that healthy immune people need this vaccine regardless of their choice because some other compromised individual might somehow become infected from our choice to not get vaccinated with a trial vaccine.

Instead realize people on the bottom rung are dying. My friend, his name was Tomas without the "h", couldn't get into a shelter because covid restrictions reduced the number of homeless people allowed. It was -30 C. Rules pushed him to find a place with heat so he broke into somewhere. They found his body beaten to death the next morning.

We used the rule of no close contact to kill my friend. Not directly, but certainly he would be alive if he had been allowed in. I'm sure someone feels good because they kept 1/2 The homeless people safe by refusing the other half entry.

I've lost internet 5 times writing this and it may be triple posted sorry. My real situation is I'm 10 hours left here before we scuttle this camp and I get moved to a safer firecamp. Winds have pushed the fire into an out of control state and over 100 of the firefighters timed out so there's not enough to hold the line.
 
I'm really surprised how few of you are actually capable of thinking for yourselves

because only people who agree with you can think for themselves, right?

it's not possible for somebody to look at the information you're looking at and simply draw a different conclusion?

alasdair
 
I've missed a few pages of this thread and probably won't go back to read it since it's just the same rhetoric being trotted out here.

Some of you herald these vaccines as heroic safety measures and seem to think others need to take them.... I'd give your head a shake and just consider your own life and needs and stop listening to howler monkeys that say we all need their candy and somehow we not only must eat it but pay for them making it too.

I'm really surprised how few of you are actually capable of thinking for yourselves but are very capable of telling others how they should act.

At some point I'm still hoping a decent vaccine is made I'd like to travel feely again and not have the panicking monkeys make rules driving me in a direction I have zero intent of going.

I have a job waiting for travel restrictions to come off or I can get vaccinated so I've told the company to solicit the government to remove travel restrictions. I can wait, because I can afford the time it takes to make my choice work. A lot of people don't have that choice. Some people need work now or they starve, lose their homes etc. Our laws, specifically the laws regarding freedom of movement, will hamper our economy and people will become more and more disadvantaged. People on the bottom rung of society, like those living in shelters, are the first casualties of these aggressive laws that are removing freedoms.

I don't care if you fear covid, the delta variant or just like watching the media circus since it's not an American election year, these laws are removing freedom of choice from a lot of people. I hear a lot of voices yelling some lie about how if I get vaccinated I'm protecting someone else?... If you feel fear get a vaccine. Other people's fears or lack of them should not be your issue. Instead realize those individuals who have somehow twisted the truth in your mind that healthy immune people need this vaccine regardless of their choice because some other compromised individual might somehow become infected from our choice to not get vaccinated with a trial vaccine.

Instead realize people on the bottom rung are dying. My friend, his name was Tomas without the "h", couldn't get into a shelter because covid restrictions reduced the number of homeless people allowed. It was -30 C. Rules pushed him to find a place with heat so he broke into somewhere. They found his body beaten to death the next morning.

We used the rule of no close contact to kill my friend. Not directly, but certainly he would be alive if he had been allowed in. I'm sure someone feels good because they kept 1/2 The homeless people safe by refusing the other half entry.

I've lost internet 5 times writing this and it may be triple posted sorry. My real situation is I'm 10 hours left here before we scuttle this camp and I get moved to a safer firecamp. Winds have pushed the fire into an out of control state and over 100 of the firefighters timed out so there's not enough to hold the line.
That’s the part that kinda bothers me, theyr not saying get the vax to protect yourself so much as get the vax to protect other people, making you feel like an asshole if you don’t trust the 6mth. Cliff notes of science, crazy to me..but I am hopeful that a new and improved vax will come out in a little bit and I will get that one, or if there no real complications with the current vax over at least a couple years I’ll get that
 
I am going to offer another spin on this vast vaccine variety of views. ;)
It's a great thing that a large part of the population (cant say half they done threw incentives to fuck up the real numbers) is for and against.
If the vax is "right", we move ahead and live to fight another day.
If the unvax is "good", they move ahead and live to fight another day.
We win either way or maybe even in both cases, who is to say yet? F**k a politician and a scientist perspective and agenda. As posted by another: They can suck my dizzie.
It is sad that we can never look at someone elses views as valid or not wise. How do any of us know?
Maybe... it is our (duality) that keeps us around as a species.
Maybe I am just talkin out the side of my neck again. Who knows?
As much as I hate being around humans I am still outside the fence cheering us on. :)
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I am going to offer another spin on this vast vaccine variety of views. ;)
It's a great thing that a large part of the population (cant say half they done threw incentives to fuck up the real numbers) is for and against.
If the vax is "right", we move ahead and live to fight another day.
If the unvax is "good", they move ahead and live to fight another day.
We win either way or maybe even in both cases, who is to say yet? F**k a politician and a scientist perspective and agenda. As posted by another: They can suck my dizzie.
It is sad that we can never look at someone elses views as valid or not wise. How do any of us know?
Maybe... it is our (duality) that keeps us around as a species.
Maybe I am just talkin out the side of my neck again. Who knows?
As much as I hate being around humans I am still outside the fence cheering us on. :)
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Well here’s my whole thing, if the vax really protects you then why does it matter if some people don’t want it? If you get it your safe, I shouldn’t have to get it to make you safe I should be the one in danger not you
 
Yeah, kinda past that now.
Looking to the future of humanity and it's possible survival mechanism(s).
Well here’s my whole thing, if the vax really protects you then why does it matter if some people don’t want it? If you get it your safe, I shouldn’t have to get it to make you safe I should be the one in danger not you
There is a thread somewhere where someone was touting this same perspective... something about demonizing the unvaxxed and why; is it sinister? The unvax is not a threat to the vax. Science may change again, though....
 
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Yeah, kinda past that now.
Looking to the future of humanity and it's possible survival mechanism(s).

There is a thread somewhere where someone was touting this same perspective... something about demonizing the unvaxxed and why is it sinister? The unvax is not a threat to the vax. Science may change again, though....
Just for record’s sake, I’m sure it was my own passionately objectionary post on this, specifically in relation to Biden’s rhetoric and indeed, genuine stigmatising by saying emphatically “what we have is a pandemic of the unvaccinaded” (I used “d” instead of “t” because he also displays Harris like commonness, not even underneath it all lol.)

You later stumbled over by yourself his little quirk remark….Then you not as smart as I (think you are/were/ought to be)… one of those anyway.

It was myself though I’m sure, and I applaud your openness for listening and being so openly considerative in very balanced and unbiased style.
 
It was myself though I’m sure
It may well have been. Not sure how it couldn't have been. :p
Trying to find common denominators is a thing for me. Finding common (facets) feelings/wants/needs/expectations/fears/joys/perspectives/strong poins and weak etc. from birth I think. Taking in as much info as possible helps make more - not sure of the word, here, "informed decisions" isn't appropriate. Trying to leave a lot of emotional assumptions behind as it only compounds matters.
So, your posts are intriguing and dare I say entertaining at times? lol Somebody gotta throw different ingredients in the water soup and give it some flavor?
Trying to take all perspectives and insights in all things in an effort to one day find something. :rolleyes: I believe it is there somewhere whatever it is.
Frustrating to say the least
 
It may well have been. Not sure how it couldn't have been. :p
Trying to find common denominators is a thing for me. Finding common (facets) feelings/wants/needs/expectations/fears/joys/perspectives/strong poins and weak etc. from birth I think. Taking in as much info as possible helps make more - not sure of the word, here, "informed decisions" isn't appropriate. Trying to leave a lot of emotional assumptions behind as it only compounds matters.
So, your posts are intriguing and dare I say entertaining at times? lol Somebody gotta throw different ingredients in the water soup and give it some flavor?
Trying to take all perspectives and insights in all things in an effort to one day find something. :rolleyes: I believe it is there somewhere whatever it is.
Frustrating to say the least
Haha, please feel free to say, I am a natural born entertainer, by way of being a comedian with actually in real life an excellent sense of humour and real time quick witt and one wild imagination.

But I’m always totally natural. I don’t ever try to be anything.

I can’t see really how we aren’t all basically fucked, jab or no jab regardless. We can’t see the ship until it hits, and it hasn’t hit yet still.

I’m about finished debating it too.

But I just came to share this link with you, seeing how totally non-biased you are IMO, and strangely not at all unpopular with either side- the Vaxxers love you, and us cretins, we almost see you as one of us lol!

And you never refrain from speaking your total open mind, so credit is due I say in one way or form.

I’m pretty broken down still mentally atm, I need to find some major lifestyle and reality hacks to reshape things for me to find a path in life. Every single thing about my life is entirely abnormal, through no fault of my own, and nobody could live in any degree of normality in the same exact boat I would firmly attest.

Not that I couldn’t do better, in theory, but it’s scaling Everest at least 100 days a year, if not double that at 4 each week. I’ve lost my head quite a bit recently, stress, nervous exhaustion, very turbulent home living and my nerves are literally physically heavily sensitised to react with fear even moreso each massive argument or stressful day we have here recently.

And debating in futility on such miserable, divisive matters, which I never signed up for like yourself did not, nor most here, but some newer members probably did lol, which is kind of sad but I can understand it.

So I got me a life to sort out/save/find/create.

But here is a propaganda alliance of doctors and professionals aligned against the program.


Now, there’s no way this is propaganda. Propaganda is not innocent misguidedness.

It’s surely a definitionary feature to be deliberate, knowing misinformation to properly qualify for propaganda. Misguided doctors aligning maybe??


And check out the announcement in Germany last week by a mainstream News channel, formerly apologising to the public for the atrocity the government has inflicted on the public with the whole pandemic and lockdowns (etc).

My mum sent this to an old friend, real fact checker good digger and researcher.

He looked into it independently from as many angles as he could, said he found only confirming evidence it’s legit:


I expect it would be easy to verify this independently.
 
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Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a causal relationship can be confirmed.


Data released today show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and July 30, 2021, a total of 545,338 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 12,366 deaths — an increase of 426 over the previous week. There were 70,105 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 7,003 compared with the previous week.

This week’s total U.S. VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to July 30, 2021, for all age groups combined, show:


This week’s U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:



The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1498080) who previously had COVID, was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in May 2021 and died four days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on June 18, when he collapsed on the soccer field and went into ventricular tachycardia; and a 13-year-old girl (VAERS I.D. 1505250) who died after suffering a heart condition after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.


 
so we let 12,000+ ppl die from vaccines for the greater good of humanity

that's just part of it we should accept

(y)
 
Can you even imagine if you never had COVID and got the vax , then died from the vax..like you may have never got COVID and lived longer but got the vax and taken out
Thats one of the main points. If COVID was and is so dangerous why is the cure dangerous as well? And if it is, why should people take the risk of injuring or killing themselves when the cure might actually be worse than the disease. If what is more dangerous is the cure and the disease was partially if not 99% fabricated, surely the real threat is the rherotic/narrative that we really must do something extreme to fix a problem that otherwise would simply go away if we stopped trying to devise crazy ways to try to fix a crazy problem that 99% of it was created in the minds of men, not in the mind of a virus. It's obvious when you put it like that because viruses don't have minds and they didn't create all this. So who did? And why? And why should the solution to understanding that be putting a needle in your arm and being pumped with chemicals that you probably didn't need?

Now we are getting somewhere...
 
right. she has a choice. a shitty choice, certainly, but a choice.

people are talking about being forcefully vaccinated against their will. that hasn't happened.

alasdair

That was irony. Have you done the math? She doesn't actually have a choice.

What worker can sacrifice a third of their salary JUST to get into their job? The rich? Not the vast majority of workers.

Not to mention that doing a PCR test every 2 days involves significant risks: lesions and breaches of the anterior skull base associated with a risk of meningitis.

It is therefore a disguised vaccination obligation. I recall that the Nuremberg Code, which defines acceptable experimental practices, is violated by this underhand obligation. As a reminder, Article 1 stipulates that the subject of the experiment must give his or her informed consent and must not be subject to any form of constraint or coercion to participate!

In the meantime, every weekend, there are more and more people in the street and sometimes important tensions:





 
Thats one of the main points. If COVID was and is so dangerous why is the cure dangerous as well? And if it is, why should people take the risk of injuring or killing themselves when the cure might actually be worse than the disease. If what is more dangerous is the cure and the disease was partially if not 99% fabricated, surely the real threat is the rherotic/narrative that we really must do something extreme to fix a problem that otherwise would simply go away if we stopped trying to devise crazy ways to try to fix a crazy problem that 99% of it was created in the minds of men, not in the mind of a virus. It's obvious when you put it like that because viruses don't have minds and they didn't create all this. So who did? And why? And why should the solution to understanding that be putting a needle in your arm and being pumped with chemicals that you probably didn't need?

Now we are getting somewhere...
If only lol. I feel we are just doing roundabouts. It’s a worthwhile discussion and important honest thought, feeling, view, predicament sharing.

But most people here, with a few exceptions, who have already with good or sufficient faith, voluntarily, wilfully “yielded”, they are simply not going to entertain the exact notions we put forward, while there is enough “evidence” from other sources, to keep confirming and reinforcing their own understandable bias.

If I had committed to something, but not to hold face or consciously hide from accepting truths known to me, I’d stick to my guns if I really believed in them, and other times it’s almost analogous to an investment, particularly in this case, as an agreement is formerly, but kind of unofficially made.

A pact of trust of sorts. No way back either, I mean in this analogy.

And have I come closer to accepting the jab is the right and best, wisest thing for me to do for myself and society, or society regardless of myself, or any arrangement of that?

I can honestly only say no. I expect surely you would answer the same way yourself.

One point, on paper, this virus IS highly infectious, or transmittable. It’s everywhere by a long time ago.

If it’s “there”, because the vigorous testing reported on the London Underground, failing to detect a single particle of it, then the recent court case in Alberta where a man got off charges against him for…something they didn’t like he was saying, doing against it….where he insisted to make their charge stick, they must PROVE the virus exists!

As they failed to do that, he was acquitted and I think may be attempting to sue back but I never read any details yet.

But for argument’s sake, let’s go with it. So every public place we go, there are almost assuredly going to be viral particles in the air which you’d need a miracle to completely evade.

Infections in general, are harboured, carried, dormant and inactive, in multiples, in every nasal cavity, but the individual host’s immune system is working well enough to prevent them becoming pathogenic and reproducing- in THAT particular individual.

So by that logic and principle we in any normal social or public setting, masks or no masks, will be surrounded and in close proximity to uninflected, not even asymptotic people who are carrying the Virus inactive in their own nasal cavity.

Unless you live out in nowhere’s middle lol, the probability of not having crossed its path by now, given just how wildfire and every square inch reaching it is, is virtually nil.

But for now still, not related to that point above but my original one, as things are here- Round and round and round it goes where it stops noone…
 
That was irony. Have you done the math? She doesn't actually have a choice.
I’m on your side pal, it’s an atrocity, a dictatorship. You know my views and feelings on it.

I did make my own observations of this little discussion.

The rhetoric and logic, justification for the argument felt unfair and dismissive to me, callous even.

Even if you can get a new job, that isn’t the point.

What when that job demands too? The next one?

You can’t buy groceries?

Well, it’s your choice still right? If you’re unwilling to roll up at the expense of your rights being stolen from you in coercion, that’s your own silly choice to deprive yourself.

Seemed to be the unanimous line. It did feel callous to me, because the argument was a bit unreal, and the consequences, or rather penalties, ultimately, are likely to be severe for all of “us” (just emphasised the us there on re-reading as the point wasn’t clear otherwise.)

I’m honestly not ruling out gas chambers eventually. I realise that’s an extreme thing to say, but this is becoming very extremist at a rapid pace.

Tomorrow, it will be SUPPORTED by a majority of the society welcomed, to deny all existing basic living rights, access to society, to the living dead, at the expense of life through no income nor food supply.

So gas chambers further down the line, when it’s really been reinforced, the level of threat we pose on the fringes of society, not beyond my admittedly creative imagination.
 
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