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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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AutoTripper said:
I appreciate you not just dismissing my account and giving it some speculation. I mean, I, no kid making a deal over light effects. It’s come about so unexpectedly.

I reported this to some kava patriots on Kavaforums and the research guy, he did suggest I may be onto something to feel the kava’s modulating effect on my brain chemistry and the fact that there may be some interaction at the LSD receptor sites, may have a connection.

Obviously there’s no peer reviewed evidence on this. But also, I’m not aware of anybody else who takes in a stay rating amount of Kavalactones constantly, and has followed the LSD dosing schedule and pattern I have concurrently.

So I don’t think it’s wild conjecture that was called misinformation by some because they couldn’t find anything solid or even suggestive scientifically or even anecdotally with a quick search.

I am the anecdote so far. So I feel it’s a reasonable consideration.

Most daily kava drinkers are far more sensible and ordered. They do take acid, shrooms, weed, of course.

But not more than a blue moon here and there that I have come across so far. Certainly not daily, or any significant quantity so they couldn’t comment on tolerance.

But I’m not saying that’s the culprit for me being such a lightweight with acid. There’s a lot of individual brain chemistry variation.

And I still like the concept of it being a consciousness factor. From long time usage spread out, and so many breakthrough trips that a lot of trippers might never quite even reach.
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I’m not sure about Kava and LSD, because kava does not seem to be seretonergic. However even without stimulating the 5HT2A receptors kava influences glutamate processes as does LSD - but by some different mechanism. I don’t know much about neurochemistry at all but I know so much about these processes remains unknown..
 
Perforated said:
That would be ideal. But the 105’s are out if stock. Which is not surprising given their quality. Unfortunately I burned through my supply of them trying to beat tolerance and wasted about 30 of them. So I have no option but to try this new type.
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Now I’d say…I have the option to try some new ones out. I just don’t know the dosage. With luck, you’ll be able to measure what amount works for you, hopefully hopefully without any gruelling hours or day, and be just as content with the source.

The unknowns are a nuisance I appreciate but also, an excitement. It can unlock the imagination a bit, allow more room to flow with the experience, less expectation and predictive limiting.

Just trying to be a half glass full for you. I mean, you’ve scored some tabs. If I didn’t have more than I will likely ever need now, and was fit to trip (I realise it’s the nerve damage atm making it difficult for me, which makes sense), I would be envious of you!

I don’t need to be in this particular material respect, and I try not to do envy anyway, but be pleased for others. We all have the good and bad in our lives. We don’t envy the bad do we? Lol, but true.
 
Perforated said:
I’m not sure about Kava and LSD, because kava does not seem to be seretonergic. However even without stimulating the 5HT2A receptors kava influences glutamate processes as does LSD - but by some different mechanism. I don’t know much about neurochemistry at all but I know so much about these processes remains unknown..
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I believe kava acts on all main neurotransmitters. The different kavalactones each act to a varying degree on different neurotransmitters. Including serotonin, dopamine, neuropinephrine.
 
perpetualdawn said:
I still think that a bit of ego death/dissolution can be really good if only to experience the view from a higher altitude, and to give you a chance to rebuild. But it has be in balance. We only get one chance to live, and from a certain perspective it seems like pouring it down the toilet to be chasing no-self or hiding in a monastery.
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Absolutely. My first trip was an ego dissolution (not death, but i reduced to insignificance), and it was hugely influential and beneficial to my life. I had a period of time of trying to crush my ego, as if it was something to escape, but then I realized that it is something to be embraced and worked with, and understood, while we are in this form. But being able to step outside of it can really help you to understand how to live a better life, and how to value others as much as yourself, and how to avoid becoming too egotistical.
 
Xorkoth said:
Absolutely. My first trip was an ego dissolution (not death, but i reduced to insignificance), and it was hugely influential and beneficial to my life. I had a period of time of trying to crush my ego, as if it was something to escape, but then I realized that it is something to be embraced and worked with, and understood, while we are in this form. But being able to step outside of it can really help you to understand how to live a better life, and how to value others as much as yourself, and how to avoid becoming too egotistical.
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I agree with that of course. I feel very much the same. I just try not to aspire to a saintly, fantastical ideal. I’ll still be mortal, flawed and prone to slipping until I die.

So I’m kind of trying to keep pace, running the marathon, staying just behind the front runners, ready to make a push at the end if needed.
 
Perforated said:
What are you going to do?
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I was thinking 400 to 500ug of LSD. I would love love love to get my hands on some 2CE because it's been more than a decade since I had any. As a substance, it really shaped a lot of things in a positive way. However, I can't get my hands on some so... That's that. I would LOVE to have the time for DOC, but I think if I'm being real... DOC isn't an option. I don't like taking mushrooms because, eh. I want an experience longer than 4-HO-MiPT or a similar Tryptamine analogue. I have access to good LSD, so that's what I've landed on. If you have any thoughts I'm happy to hear about them. Also, I know how functional I will be. With other substances (for me) it is less predictable.
 
Perforated said:
Yep. In the early 2000’s I lived there for about 7 years, but I often worked in other countries in the region and lived 15 years all up in SE Asia.
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Very cool. I lived there too, as a child, for a bunch of years in the 80s. Let's meet at the Merlion some day and get some laksa ;) I went back for the first time in about 2015 and it had changed so much. It's a very interesting place.
Did you spend any time in Indonesia?
 
Xorkoth said:
Absolutely. My first trip was an ego dissolution (not death, but i reduced to insignificance), and it was hugely influential and beneficial to my life. I had a period of time of trying to crush my ego, as if it was something to escape, but then I realized that it is something to be embraced and worked with, and understood, while we are in this form. But being able to step outside of it can really help you to understand how to live a better life, and how to value others as much as yourself, and how to avoid becoming too egotistical.
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I have a similar attitude - that your ego is something to be embraced and work with. If our ego-view of this world is really is illusory, it's nonetheless the game we're here to play, it's the only way we have to interface with this world on a practical level. So let's have it in all its richness and facets.

It's a little tricky to talk about because ego can mean a lot of different things, and those things are not distinct from each other and have a lot of overlap and trying to get specific about it can get into a philosophical nightmare.

I had a proper psychedelic ego-death/cessation once, where momentarily, the world became fully unconditioned, full stop. The void you could say. Right after coming up from that I experienced/witnessed the yin-yang duality and had the deepest laugh of my life as the world came back into form, and was like "Yeah this is it, samsara, bring it on". You could say that's my ego coming back to grasp onto the world, and I'm very OK with that. That's what we're here for.
 
Ketamine is good though, in most combinations except alcohol, don’t know about downers, but acid marriage made in heaven.

MDMA too. Plus with coke, it’s a fantastic effect, not how you expect it to feel.

But on its own I could enjoy it.
 
AutoTripper said:
Ketamine is good though, in most combinations except alcohol, don’t know about downers, but acid marriage made in heaven.

MDMA too. Plus with coke, it’s a fantastic effect, not how you expect it to feel.

But on its own I could enjoy it.
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I know this is the Psychedelic Forum, but while we are on the topic a hit of ketamine is also a great solution to being sketched out on amps at 4 AM and being unable to sleep. It doesn’t put you to sleep but it makes lying awake in the dark a helluva lot more fun and relaxing.
 
i think the ideal use for ego dissolution would be once maybe every 6 months of a heavy trip to see how your doing on your path. Ima just take small low doses for the rest of the year while i try take action of my life from that 6 tab + ket bender
 
I'll say this: ketamine is very seductive, and it can really seem like you're discovering truths, but ultimately it is a very delusional substance, much moreso than psychedelics. The same is true of all dissociatives. Be careful man. I've seen a lot of people get all fucked up and lose their shit from dissociatives, while believing they're figuring it all out.
 
Naive to think West will change stance on Navalny’s ‘poisoning,’ Russia's OPCW envoy tells RT after report reveals inconsistencies
The latest OPCW report might eventually prove that the prevailing narrative around last year's alleged poisoning of the Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny holds no water, but don't expect Western nations to admit this. That's according to Russia’s envoy to Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Alexander Shulgin.
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In fairness there is at least one other notable one, but that kind of jumped out at me. This Shulgin is not a chemist n.b. he is a diplomat.

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Our Shulgin's father was born in Chelyabinsk so connections to the old country aren't particularly far back. Would be interesting to know if two or all three of these luminaries are related. Not sure how common a last name there is and it's not like there aren't a lot of Russians. I feel like I remember reading about at least one in Russian history.

I didn't know about the rock band until today, either. Cool.

 
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