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Lysergamides LSD first timer. Questions and suggestions

Perforated said:
That’s worth worrying about.
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It’s worth not wanting to get, and avoiding.

But in an unclear way maybe earlier, another side to my point- whether something is inevitable or not, unless you have a strong reason to believe it is almost surely going to happen, the fear serves no necessary or worthwhile purpose.

Like, if knowing you would become full Schizophrenic age 19, from the age of 12, you might lose all of those otherwise potentially joyous years dreading the impending.

Sometimes it’s better not to know what’s coming, and I always try and discourage fear. Be prepared I say, accept the foreseen possibilities, but don’t be scared of what very well may never happen.
 
AutoTripper said:
It’s worth not wanting to get, and avoiding.

But in an unclear way maybe earlier, another side to my point- whether something is inevitable or not, unless you have a strong reason to believe it is almost surely going to happen, the fear serves no necessary or worthwhile purpose.

Like, if knowing you would become full Schizophrenic age 19, from the age of 12, you might lose all of those otherwise potentially joyous years dreading the impending.

Sometimes it’s better not to know what’s coming, and I always try and discourage fear. Be prepared I say, accept the foreseen possibilities, but don’t be scared of what very well may never happen.
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I like the philosophy of just rolling with it as it comes. It meshes neatly with the AA Serenity Prayer which I have found to be an invaluable philosophy.
 
I once took two and a half hits of blotter sold as acid and had a trip that was over 24 hrs. The visuals were intense, the humor was intense, and so was the body high. I suspect DOx now but can't compare it directly yet, and will never know fore sure. It blew my last 500ug trip out of the water as well as lasting twice as long.

About fearing schizophrenia, alzheimers, dementia, and Parkinson's, i think you're better off just not thinking about it. If it's gonna happen it will and not a lot to do about it.
 
simstim said:
I once took two and a half hits of blotter sold as acid and had a trip that was over 24 hrs. The visuals were intense, the humor was intense, and so was the body high. I suspect DOx now but can't compare it directly yet, and will never know fore sure. It blew my last 500ug trip out of the water as well as lasting twice as long.

About fearing schizophrenia, alzheimers, dementia, and Parkinson's, i think you're better off just not thinking about it. If it's gonna happen it will and not a lot to do about it.
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Well we can stand firmly in agreement on that reasoning and way of looking at it quite simply.
 
simstim said:
I once took two and a half hits of blotter sold as acid and had a trip that was over 24 hrs. The visuals were intense, the humor was intense, and so was the body high. I suspect DOx now but can't compare it directly yet, and will never know fore sure. It blew my last 500ug trip out of the water as well as lasting twice as long.

About fearing schizophrenia, alzheimers, dementia, and Parkinson's, i think you're better off just not thinking about it. If it's gonna happen it will and not a lot to do about it.
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I would agree with you except for when there are things that we can do to prevent these outcomes, or at least lessen the chance that they will occur. Abusing certain stimulants they say can increase the risks of things like strokes and Parkinson’s. To me, it’s just one more reason to practice harm reduction techniques coupled with reasonable and responsible recreational drug use.

EDIT: also I agree that it sounds more like a DOx drug, and I wish dealers were more honest about the drugs they sell. Otherwise this dishonesty leads to these uncertainties or it leads to people having the wrong impression of a drug, unknowingly, but defending their incorrect perception to the death, absolutely certain they’re not wrong at all.
 
Personally, I find LSD is way easier to "control" than mushrooms. Also a lot more forgiving.
Make sure set and setting are as they should - this is key, as you probably know.
Avoid smoking weed, even if you're a daily smoker. It's vastly different on LSD.

As for taking 1/4 of a tab - I've always experienced more discomfort on smaller doses.
On a "proper" dose, you won't have the same chance to think yourself into a neurotic, dreadful state. You'll be to busy clinging on to your bootstraps as you rocket into the unknown.

I realize that this last advice is questionable, as we all function differently.
But I wish someone would've told me that, as 60ug gives me more paranoia than 600ug. Just food for thought.
 
simstim said:
I once took two and a half hits of blotter sold as acid and had a trip that was over 24 hrs. The visuals were intense, the humor was intense, and so was the body high. I suspect DOx now but can't compare it directly yet, and will never know fore sure. It blew my last 500ug trip out of the water as well as lasting twice as long.
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Do you remembering it having a particularly long come-up? DOx full effects often only hit after 3-4 hours.
 
tubgirl.jpg said:
Personally, I find LSD is way easier to "control" than mushrooms. Also a lot more forgiving.
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To me this depends entirely on the dose. They’re otherwise about equipotent though vastly different in my opinion.
tubgirl.jpg said:
Make sure set and setting are as they should - this is key, as you probably know.
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Agreed 100%, and would like to second this advice.
tubgirl.jpg said:
Avoid smoking weed, even if you're a daily smoker. It's vastly different on LSD.
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I have to disagree with this piece of advice and would suggest on a first time trip maybe avoid it until the end if you want to experiment. In the future, if you’re a fan of cannabis, I would suggest carefully exploring how smoking weed during the trip works for you. Not everyone is the same, and I love smoking weed while I trip. I find it enhances things in many ways, not the least of which is to help keep me level and calm during the come-up phase.

Nice contribution, @tubgirl.jpg, and that’s interesting you find large doses have the more manageable body load than smaller doses.
 
Perforated said:
Same for me. All my early 1/2 or 1 blotter trips were pretty awful by the end of them. I’ve never had a bad time on 3+ blotters.
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It sounds like crazy advice to give a first timer, but several of my friends also agree. I find the worst part with an inadequate dose is the feeling that something is about "to happen", but never does - the mental equivalent of blue balls almost.
 
unodelacosa said:
To me this depends entirely on the dose. They’re otherwise about equipotent though vastly different in my opinion.
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I gotta admit, mushrooms kind of freak me out above the 4g mark. I don't know why, but the trips are just so much darker for me on shrooms.
unodelacosa said:
Agreed 100%, and would like to second this advice.
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Yeah, above anything else, set + setting must be respected.
unodelacosa said:
I have to disagree with this piece of advice and would suggest on a first time trip maybe avoid it until the end if you want to experiment. In the future, if you’re a fan of cannabis, I would suggest carefully exploring how smoking weed during the trip works for you. Not everyone is the same, and I love smoking weed while I trip. I find it enhances things in many ways, not the least of which is to help keep me level and calm during the come-up phase.
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Me too, I couldn't imagine tripping with no weed. But I've seen one or two completely lose their shit when hitting the pipe on LSD, that's why I always advice caution, or simply abstaining from it so you get to know what LSD is like on it's own.
I think experimenting at the tail end of trip is very good advice - but I'd also warn that smoking weed when you're starting to come down will (always does for me at least) kick the trip back up a few notches instead of bringing you down into a soft landing.

The first time I took shrooms, I had no experience with weed. So at the end of the trip, I took a few tokes of a joint and holy shit - fetal position on the couch was the result.
unodelacosa said:
Nice contribution, @tubgirl.jpg, and that’s interesting you find large doses have the more manageable body load than smaller doses.
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Why, thank you @unodelacosa - I hope it might help someone looking for answers.
Yeah, low doses just makes me want to crawl out of my skin, where's a large dose just leaves me in awe. And I love the body high - but I always make sure to take some kind of vasodilator when I trip.
 
Perforated said:
Do you remembering it having a particularly long come-up? DOx full effects often only hit after 3-4 hours.
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It actually didn't seem to take that long to come up (maybe an hour) and when i did come up it seemed rather all at once. I also vomited which is something I've never done on LSD before or since but that could be because i was hungover.
 
My first LSD trip i took one sugar cube of unknown potency. I ended up redosing another cube like 6 hours later. Then i ended up taking some ghb and smoking herb. The herb really kicked up the visuals a lot. I didn't really feel the G. I was 16.
 
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We should talk about redosing. My understanding is that you get nothing out of it past the first hours or so of a trip. Certainly at 6 hours you would not get any higher or peak again.

Are there opinions to the contrary?
 
Perforated said:
We should talk about redosing. My understanding is that you get nothing out of it past the first hours or so of a trip. Certainly at 6 hours you would not get any higher or peak again.

Are there opinions to the contrary?
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The duration was definitely increased by the second dose.
 
simstim said:
I once took two and a half hits of blotter sold as acid and had a trip that was over 24 hrs. The visuals were intense, the humor was intense, and so was the body high. I suspect DOx now but can't compare it directly yet, and will never know fore sure. It blew my last 500ug trip out of the water as well as lasting twice as long.

About fearing schizophrenia, alzheimers, dementia, and Parkinson's, i think you're better off just not thinking about it. If it's gonna happen it will and not a lot to do about it.
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Half a blotter stronger than 500ug?? Damn =D must be DOB then
 
simstim said:
It was two and a half blotters but the duration and intensity were beyond the 2x 250ug blotters i got on the DN a couple years ago.
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Ah sorry, misread that, no idea how. Yeah 2.5x the standard blotter dose for any DOx will rock your world.
I've even read of people saying that like 4mg of DOB, and some larger DOM doses blow 1000ug of acid out of the water in intensity. It's probably more nuanced than that though
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Ah sorry, misread that, no idea how. Yeah 2.5x the standard blotter dose for any DOx will rock your world.
I've even read of people saying that like 4mg of DOB, and some larger DOM doses blow 1000ug of acid out of the water in intensity. It's probably more nuanced than that though
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To me, the bodyload on DOB is ridiculous. DOM's boyload I can appreciate as it's a lot lighter and the psychedelic euphoria it induces melts right into it. DOB is just too much, and the R-isomer is even more potent on its own.
 
I love the DOB bodyload, feels incredible, but you need to make an effort to use the energy. 10/10 drug imo.
 
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