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Because when you are hit by a drunk driver and go to the hospital, they triage you and decide not to attempt to save your life because it's a lot of work and everyone is tied up dealing with the large number of covid patients that have overwhelmed the hospital system.

It's just not as simply as saying "I'm young and healthy so I don't need it" because you get people who are at risk also saying similar things. From the very outset the controls - social distancing, mask wearing, vaccines have been geared at making sure the hospital system can cope and continue to operate effectively.
Everybody in this thread is listening/responding to what you are saying. I think people are responding are angry because the best part of the past year and a half has disappeared right in front of them and they dont see much to vouch for why they had to let go of living their normal lives during this period. They think its political, which I am sure you must admit, it is. So we are caught up in a political thing here and everybody is a victim, you, me, everyone.

What do you want from all of this? I know thats a fairly personal question and I ask it because it cuts away what you are told you want and gets to what you want. No doubt your intentions are good and you mean well. Having said that, what is it YOU want from what is happening? What are YOUR needs and YOUR desires, goals etc?

Again, not you speaking from the current highly polarizing environment we are all living in. You speaking from what is within you. Deep within there is more than just speaking on behalf of the current situation. You are more than that. We are more than that.

Whats at the center of your life?
How can people best facilitate that center to hold out? Remember this a personal thing for everybody and so we have to respect the boundaries of others and acknowledge they exist and what those boundaries mean. We are not robots, we are not chess pieces.
 
@finitelifeform If you want to know my, personal, feelings on the matter. I'm actually angry and disappointed. It was possible to eliminate this disease. We did it in New Zealand. China did it in Wuhan. Australia did it. It wasn't easy, we sacrificed. We sacrificed a month and a half of our lives to much stricter lockdowns than those that people in other countries chafe over. It was hard and it hurt, and it worked. The problem is that in other countries they weren't willing to make that sacrifice. Instead they put this disease on a slow burn. A lengthy, drawn out, politically dividing drain on the worlds resources. Because people weren't willing to sacrifice. I think our forebears would be extremely disappointed. Those that fought for our freedoms and were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice would be turning in their graves to see how little sacrifice people are willing to make now for the good of all.

So I'm angry. If people had made the sacrifice back then, all this whining about the vaccine wouldn't be necessary. They wouldn't make the sacrifice then and won't make it now, so people, like me, who covid would probably kill if I pick up the infection, have to pay the ultimate price for their entitled selfishness. Honestly, I sometimes wonder why I shouldn't just shoot those people in the head, after all, that's basically what they are doing to me right now. But I wouldn't, because I am better than them. I was willing to sacrifice, they weren't.

So when you talk of bringing people together and greater cohesiveness, just remember how I feel. People don't give a shit enough to care that their actions will probably kill me. I'm never going to be "together" with that.
 
@finitelifeform If you want to know my, personal, feelings on the matter. I'm actually angry and disappointed. It was possible to eliminate this disease. We did it in New Zealand. China did it in Wuhan. Australia did it. It wasn't easy, we sacrificed. We sacrificed a month and a half of our lives to much stricter lockdowns than those that people in other countries chafe over. It was hard and it hurt, and it worked. The problem is that in other countries they weren't willing to make that sacrifice. Instead they put this disease on a slow burn. A lengthy, drawn out, politically dividing drain on the worlds resources. Because people weren't willing to sacrifice. I think our forebears would be extremely disappointed. Those that fought for our freedoms and were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice would be turning in their graves to see how little sacrifice people are willing to make now for the good of all.

So I'm angry. If people had made the sacrifice back then, all this whining about the vaccine wouldn't be necessary. They wouldn't make the sacrifice then and won't make it now, so people, like me, who covid would probably kill if I pick up the infection, have to pay the ultimate price for their entitled selfishness. Honestly, I sometimes wonder why I shouldn't just shoot those people in the head, after all, that's basically what they are doing to me right now. But I wouldn't, because I am better than them. I was willing to sacrifice, they weren't.

So when you talk of bringing people together and greater cohesiveness, just remember how I feel. People don't give a shit enough to care that their actions will probably kill me. I'm never going to be "together" with that.
I am with you. Thats why I asked. And I think everyone is asking the same question, even if its garbled in all the confusion, anger, bitterness etc. I think everybody means well yet they are forced to pick a side and to play a role, to essentially become judge and jury whilst also the defendent, while also the victim.
I dont want you to die and I am pretty sure no-one else does either. People dont want to hurt you either. They are guilty of wrong-think, not wrong-action. Like you, most people have had ZERO control over what has gone on. The blame has been shifted to the general public for the mess their governments have got onboard with. Everybody is being gaslighted into assuming the role of murderer and/or thought criminal. These people who are angry are angry because they have been made out to be murderers, criminals, dangers to society. All without a conviction, court hearing, crime being committed. Without any evidence. Please try to put yourself in their shoes. I know its hard.

Still though, what do you want from all this? Away from the politics and away from the darkness in the world. What do you want as an individual? Take everything away and imagine we all (whoever is present) met randomly on a mountain trek. We all have our own lives and soon will be returning to our own worlds. We shared this time together having been brought together through fate, law of attraction or whatever. What can people possibly do for you that is reasonable, fair and mutually beneficial? Asking people to sacrifice themselves isnt going to work. This isnt a sacrifice when its a war being waged with political agendas. It is self destruction and self harming and the eradication of integrity of the entire fabric of a persons being. It is a dysfunctional relationship based on domination and control with only side winning, and that is the side who wants the other to dissolve their own boundaries and to give away everything in order to make them happy. What does the other person get? It is clear they dont benefit. It is clear we are erring towards a divided society with the aim of everybody eventually being vaccinated and everybody living in an Orwellian dystopian nightmare, yourself included.

And I mean personally because again, this is personal, even if we have learned to stand behind the walls in our castle grounds.

What can people do? What do you want?
What can do we together to attempt to repair the damage done? And again, I mean on a personal level. Not speaking from the voice of the narrative. You as a person. We are all here and we want to know what we can do.

And again, we dont want you to die and we dont want to harm you. Nobody is trying to hurt you. I can see your perspective and I bet it must be frightening to wake up and fear this disease doing damage to you. I wouldnt know how to cope in that situation. But you are not alone, others are dying along side you only they are killing themselves, overdosing, running themselves into the ground and suffering severely. Many have died in this fight to protect people like you. Many millions. People made homeless, lost their jobs, lost their marriages, lost their homes, in debt, addicted to drugs, in domestically violent relationships, childrens educations ruined, children traumatized, a mental health crisis, economic crisis.

People ARE trying. That is evident. But trying isnt doing anything. This is going on and on for most people. They have done what they were asked. They had no choice. Their lives were stopped and forced into national lockdowns. Nobody avoided those.

Please think about the other side too. I say this with all respects due.
 
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Still though, what do you want from all this? Away from the politics and away from the darkness in the world. What do you want as an individual? Take everything away and imagine we all (whoever is present) met randomly on a mountain trek. We all have our own lives and soon will be returning to our own worlds. We shared this time together having been brought together through fate, law of attraction or whatever. What can people possibly do for you that is reasonable, fair and mutually beneficial? Asking people to sacrifice themselves isnt going to work. This isnt a sacrifice when its a war being waged with political agendas. It is self destruction and self harming and the eradication of integrity of the entire fabric of a persons being. It is a dysfunctional relationship based on domination and control with only side winning, and that is the side who wants the other to dissolve their own boundaries and to give away everything in order to make them happy. What does the other person get? It is clear they dont benefit. It is clear we are erring towards a divided society with the aim of everybody eventually being vaccinated and everybody living in an Orwellian dystopian nightmare, yourself included.
I told you what I want. I want what people have done all throughout history. Sacrificed for the greater good. If you're saying that it's now unreasonable to ask that, then civilization is done. You want a mutually beneficial arrangement? To me, that sounds like you're dismissing my contribution to society through my continued existence. You're basically saying I have to pay people like you for the right to continue contributing to society because you're too entitled to sacrifice far less than so many people already have. Fuck that. Your ideology is toxic. Just stop talking to me please, you're only making me feel worse.
 
I told you what I want. I want what people have done all throughout history. Sacrificed for the greater good. If you're saying that it's now unreasonable to ask that, then civilization is done. You want a mutually beneficial arrangement? To me, that sounds like you're dismissing my contribution to society through my continued existence. You're basically saying I have to pay people like you for the right to continue contributing to society because you're too entitled to sacrifice far less than so many people already have. Fuck that. Your ideology is toxic. Just stop talking to me please, you're only making me feel worse.
No, I am not saying that. Sorry you felt like I was dismissing you, that was not my intention. And a mutual agreement is the only solution. That is how we get along in society.

People like me do not exist. That is a generalization. People like me is everyone, including yourself. We are all the same. That is why I was trying to comprehend your needs. Because all our needs are pretty similiar when we take everything away, the background noise etc.

You havent touched on what people can give you except for life. You are living now and we all appreciate that because we are all alive now to know how that feels and what that means. I appreciate my life and I appreciate others living too.

I was simply trying to get to the bottom of what we all want. Its a hard question to answer because when we take much of the shell away we tend to find our problems are much different to what we originally believed and what we actually want are the simple things as opposed to the drawn out narratives we attach to them that take on lives of their own.

I wish you all the best. Please take my attempts at connecting with you with the best of intentions. If they were not packaged well please remember the sh*t storm I have gone through to this point. I have been present for it unfolding too.
 
Had a two day power outage the other week during a full blown lockdown, so we weren't allowed to go and stay somewhere else. I have a two year old daughter. We had no refrigeration, no lights, no heating... but - hey - there was like two dozen infected people at the time, isolating in their homes. So, I guess the government is doing the right thing. It's far too dangerous out there!
 
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I told you what I want. I want what people have done all throughout history. Sacrificed for the greater good. If you're saying that it's now unreasonable to ask that, then civilization is done

How much money have you lost because of lockdowns?

Did your business go under?

Did your wife leave you.

Put your cards on the table if you're going to go on about sacrifice.

What have you sacrificed?

As for "all throughout history", what the fuck are you talking about? Even in the world today, the government isn't selflessly interested in the greater good. Go back two hundred years and people were senselessly murdering each other in the name of the "greater good".

This is one of those annoying topics - like climate change - that one side of the debate thinks there is an objectively "correct" answer and any other perspective is immoral.

Get off your high horse.
 
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The plan from inception was surely to materialise and solidify the narrative and belief in frequent booster shots for all, full compliance.

This is it people. None of us are safe now. We are all in danger.

Especially the vulnerable.

The only way we can all be safe, the only way we can go back to (normal???) life, is to have super rich pharmaceutical companies and government bodies, injecting us all very frequently, ideally by law or force (want your Dentist Appointment Mr…. That tooth hurt does it?

Just one form to fill out and can I see your vaccination card first?”)

be injected maybe weekly, surely at least monthly, forever, with god knows exactly what, frankly.

Just….totally, totally trust the government. Don’t question anything. Believe the media.

Do the right thing and roll up your sleeve, in the name of one world, again and again and again.

That’s what I mean when I say how useful variants are.
 
I had the J&J vaccine, and I’m hearing that I might need a booster shot because of the Delta+ variant. Fuck that, I’m out!

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What if you win the Million dollars? I bet it’s in the small print somewhere that you have to comply by accepting all recommended booster shots.

Is there small print!? I’d have a check if so just out of curiosity.
 
As for "all throughout history", what the fuck are you talking about? Even in the world today, the government isn't selflessly interested in the greater good. Go back two hundred years and people were senselessly murdering each other in the name of the "greater good".
Read Emile Durkheim Suicide. Altruistic self-sacrifice has been a powerful value in many cultures throughout recorded history. It’s also the second most important value within Christianity which is why it has so strongly permeated our collective consciousness in the West over 2000 years and most people consider it a noble virtue, if not a duty.
 
I'm obviously not going to read that. Sacrifice is central to Christianity, sure. They used to sacrifice animals in religion and even people... and people sacrificed themselves for violent barbaric regimes throughout history. Read a history book if you don't believe me.

It's bullshit that people are no longer willing to make sacrifices. The entire world has been making sacrifices for nearly two years now because of a virus that isn't even that fucking dangerous... and now - when vulnerable people can go out and get vaccinated - we're supposed to keep making sacrifices forever?

Some people don't want to get vaccinated. So what? There's no point calling people names. At the end of the day, they still don't want to get vaccinated. You're not going to convince them by telling them they are selfish. Not everyone wants the jab. Make peace with it. It's not the end of the world.

This is what I objected to:

I told you what I want. I want what people have done all throughout history. Sacrificed for the greater good. If you're saying that it's now unreasonable to ask that, then civilization is done

Civilization isn't done. The sky isn't falling. The world is a good place. Lots of people have already made sacrifices. Some of the attitudes expressed on this thread are ungrateful. If you're vulnerable, we've all already gone through shit to ensure that you're protected. We can't do it forever, so go out and get your fucking jab if you want to.
 
217 pages of the typical bashing & each side taking shots at the other.
It's really simple here folks & I can shut this bullshit down in a few lines so here we go folks.

Covid-19 when first recorded in humans was fully able for human to human contagion which means it's been made somewhere, it's NOT from a bat fucking a pangolin for God sake. Covid-19 is now starting to show signs in people with Long Covid-19 of early Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease too.

Long & short of it is this, NO Vaccine will help, this is some bizarre Bio-weapon the Chinese let slip out, were all doomed.

Have a nice day.
 
@mal3volent

I seriously fucking doubt it. The vaccine wasn't available in time.

If nobody drank alcohol, there'd be no drunk drivers. If nobody owned guns, nobody would shoot each other. If Hitler had two testicles, maybe he wouldn't have killed all the Jews. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas
 
It's not the end of the world.
Try telling (them) that?

Excuse the “them” come on guys ( @ageingpartyfiend 😉 )I’m just mucking on that one, not building a Berlin wall.

The point stands though. That is it RIGHT there. Media, bravo, bravo, bravo!

You have successfully convinced the world’s majority that humanity and life on earth is simply doomed unless, unless, unless.

Again, it’s the sheer level of fear and terror they have driven into people.

It started a very long time ago. Television was never about amusement. Innocent black and white films, Tom and Jerry, bit bit by bit culture shaping, imagination limiting, belief imprinting, sense of duty, responsibility, properness, obligation, moral values, and the absolute works.

They are the psychological warfare mind programming dictating masters. We are the sheep, so far.

@birdup.snaildown I am real sorry to hear how difficult and frustrating that must have been to be in that ridiculously unfair situation with your daughter and the power outage.

That’s total ridiculousness.

Like I was saying, we can each have very different experiences of the situation and lockdown especially, depending where we live.

Some of us (not myself fortunately for us right here) have got it far worse still.

The UK is always directly involved in world politics and global agendas, and our media has to be in the final running for the best liar ever award, but I’m aware of so many places, countries, in much harsher lockdown with more aggressive enforcement or at least sterner, harsher warnings and rules.

Even France. I’m sure if I was French I’d be gunning for Macron’s head I think lockdown has been more extreme their than in the UK.
 
Everybody is hurting. I might be wrong but if people keep talking like news reporters about their own lives, they will never articulate the truth of what they have experienced. There a sense of disconnection from what is going on because people are addressing each other as actors in the script and not innately valuable self determined individuals. Maybe its the trauma of what has happened that gives the narrative so much desperation to hold onto in those who away from the turbulent affairs around the world, struggle to want to come home to the reality.

I dont know here but maybe the news anchor role isnt working. Maybe trying to rehash things by trying to slide into the researcher position or expert, isnt working. For all the human processing power we have together, we cannot solve our differences. And it doesnt matter how intelligent we are, nothing is working. For all the theories and intellectual capacity, we are only worse off than before. Progressively things are getting worse. I find that odd considering even if we were all arguing in a street over some civil dispute, the civil dispute itself IS the narrative and peoples feelings, wants, needs etc are center stage. There is a personal connection to what is going on and everyone involved recognizes that.

If you look closely at this, the narrative is the narrative. And when I say narrative I mean the book everybody has been told to read off. The book is impersonal. It doesnt think or feel or relate. It is mechanical and does not care for you or anyone else. Personal connection to what is happening/has happened has disappeared and people are fighting because they have been encouraged to do so. People are playing a role based on the predefined arrangements of the narrative but they are missing out what that means to their relationship with themselves and with others, with society, with human nature and all things.

@birdup.snaildown your situation must have been testing to say the least and with a young daughter that puts you in a tough spot
 
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