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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

Xorkoth said:
One thing I'll say is that I do think it's entirely reasonable and sensible to require an ID to cast a vote, to prevent fraud. That's the only point on the side of the Republicans I support in the election reform discussion.
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Just curious, obviously you don't believe the election was rigged. Do you think the democratic primary was rigged? I mean, there doesn't seem to me to be anything suspicious about Biden's beating Trump in the general election. It basically all went as predicted there. All of the moderate democratic candidates, polling above and having won more of the initial primary races suddenly deciding to drop out in favour of the moderate candidate who was polling below and trailing in votes stinks to me of DNC interference. Do you think there's a valid argument for saying the current president should be, for arguments sake, Pete Buttegieg?
 
Dropperneck said:
Read about the Rothschilds and the history of the private western central bank. Look at how banking manipulated post WW2 Japan, and this should get you down the rabbit hole. Those who control currency, control everything. Very very few of the worlds conflicts are by accident IMO.
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Read about the pseudosemetic text "the protocols of the elders of zion" and realize there are just as many Arabic, Italian, English, etc bankers as there are Jewish
 
aemetha said:
Just curious, obviously you don't believe the election was rigged. Do you think the democratic primary was rigged? I mean, there doesn't seem to me to be anything suspicious about Biden's beating Trump in the general election. It basically all went as predicted there. All of the moderate democratic candidates, polling above and having won more of the initial primary races suddenly deciding to drop out in favour of the moderate candidate who was polling below and trailing in votes stinks to me of DNC interference. Do you think there's a valid argument for saying the current president should be, for arguments sake, Pete Buttegieg?
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After Sanders won Nevada, Obama got on the phone with the candidates, deals were cut etc and the moderate bloc (which, while not as dynamic and energized as the progressive element, is a larger group within the party than the progressive bloc) consolidated.

It’s one of those very unfortunate, sick jokes in history (especially when you consider how relevant one of Sanders signature issues, single payer healthcare, would have been during a once in a century pandemic! But by that time he had already been taken out by Biden) but I don’t necessarily think that it’s the result of any kind of conspiracy or foul play, other than the typical I’ll-scratch-your-back-you-scratch-mine kind of BS that leads to booty-edge getting appointed secretary of transportation.

I do remember thinking that the Iowa primary was extremely bizarre, however...god what an abortion that was...
 
(I actually have no idea whether Obama called anyone, much less what was said, but I like that narrative arc so I’m sticking with it dammit lol)
 
Burnt Offerings said:
After Sanders won Nevada, Obama got on the phone with the candidates, deals were cut etc and the moderate bloc (which, while not as dynamic and energized as the progressive element, is a larger group within the party than the progressive bloc) consolidated.
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And yet, up until the primaries that took place after March 3 progressives were soundly beating moderates in total votes cast when you group candidates as progressive or moderate. It was only after it became apparent that there were shenanigans going on behind the scenes that the progressive candidates started losing ground... and can you blame them for not turning out after what had happened previously with Sanders.

I think you're right about the US electorate when you say that moderates are a larger bloc than progressives. I'm less convinced that is the case when we're talking about solid democrat eligible voters. I think a lot of progressives just don't vote because they don't see any point, which really is the tale of democratic electoral woes at large. Democrats have too large a gap between eligible voters and actual democrat voters, and much of that is because they don't see candidates like Biden as being measurably different from candidates like Trump (or perhaps dubya is a better example there given Trump's nature as a political oddity).

Burnt Offerings said:
I don’t necessarily think that it’s the result of any kind of conspiracy or foul play, other than the typical I’ll-scratch-your-back-you-scratch-mine kind of BS that leads to booty-edge getting appointed secretary of transportation.
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I kind of disagree that this isn't a conspiracy or foul play. What Obama allegedly did, he did behind closed doors, which fits the conspiracy bill. Foul play - well, wasn't it a coordinated effort to subvert what had, up until then, been the will of the democratic voting populace?

None of that is to say that a progressive candidate could have, or would have, won the general election, or even the primary. Democrats though keep screwing the bloc of their voters who they need to vote in order to win house, senate and presidential elections, and then whining about Republican efforts to limit voting access. Voting access is a problem, but the bigger problem which democrats don't want to face is that too many of their voters don't want to vote for the candidates they want to put up for election.
 
schizoinfective said:
Read about the pseudosemetic text "the protocols of the elders of zion" and realize there are just as many Arabic, Italian, English, etc bankers as there are Jewish
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Why are you conflating central banking with Zionism? Oh Rothschild lol, Sure jews make up a lot of the richest bankers etc.. but I don’t think this ruling class is all of one creed or race. It’s simply the haves vs the have nots. I think this is a place where rightoids and leftoids can come together.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
Sanders
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I know a lot of people who voted for Biden that wouldn't have voted for Sanders. Biden won some of the disillusioned Trump voters. Sanders was too far left. He would have failed to attract those voters and lost the election.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I know a lot of people who voted for Biden that wouldn't have voted for Sanders. Biden won some of the disillusioned Trump voters. Sanders was too far left. He would have failed to attract those voters and lost the election.
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You may be right. Ultimately I think it’s kind of pointless to discuss, as a Sanders nom is purely hypothetical and the best-case scenario (for the anti Trump people) happened...a Democratic candidate unseated Trump.

But, IMO, I think that the vast majority of Democratic voters were in full-on “blue no matter who” mode by the time November 2020 rolled around, something which helped Biden and likely would’ve helped Sanders too. There probably would’ve been some reluctance in the upper middle class burbs (an increasingly important part of the Democratic bloc) but I feel like that could’ve been overcome. But, like I said, that’s just like my opinion, maaan
 
Dropperneck said:
I voted for sanders in the primary, I just really dislike the establishment, and I bet that’s the case for sanders supporters that voted drunpf.
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Yeah it's true. Sanders supporters/voters wanted an antiestablishment candidate, same as Trump voters, which he was, and a better one than Trump by far. I just couldn't get behind Trump because Sanders, to me, is a candidate with integrity who cares about the people and even if I don't agree with every single thing he says, I believe in the guy as having our interests at heart and generally having the right idea. Whereas Trump is certainly anti-establishment in a sense, at least in his talking points, but I just cannot believe he has anyone's interests at heart except his own. Therefore I would prefer an establishment candidate to him as I believe he is an actively destructive influence on our society. I was fucking pissed at Sanders being robbed not once, but twice. It would have been great if we had been able to vote on Sanders or Trump, rather than Clinton vs Trump and then Biden vs Trump.

The more I watch videos of Sanders addressing crowds and showing care for people in his rallies and speeches, genuine care, the more I am behind him. But the establishment Dems will never let him through as he stands against most of their platform (ie, the etsbalishment). They play on the social issues I agree with, but it's lip service really, what they (and establishment Repubs) really stand for is support of super wealthy and corporations. And in truth so does Trump despite hiding behind the MAGA rally call. But I don't see it in Sanders. That guy has integrity.
 
Sanders didn't know how to get elected. There is no point being a presidential candidate if you constantly shoot yourself in the foot. The democratic party did the right thing nominating Sleepy Joe Biden.
 
I kinda of agree in that it was the way to win. It's just a shame. Sanders should have toned it down because not enough people are ready for what he's pushing for. But I still wish I could have voted for him instead of Biden. Just saying of all the politicians right now, that's a guy I could have wholeheartedly gotten behind.
 
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The current Trump supporter is most likely aware that Trump is a back seat driver. Maybe someday they'll tell him to shut up.
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah it's true. Sanders supporters/voters wanted an antiestablishment candidate, same as Trump voters, which he was, and a better one than Trump by far. I just couldn't get behind Trump because Sanders, to me, is a candidate with integrity who cares about the people and even if I don't agree with every single thing he says, I believe in the guy as having our interests at heart and generally having the right idea. Whereas Trump is certainly anti-establishment in a sense, at least in his talking points, but I just cannot believe he has anyone's interests at heart except his own. Therefore I would prefer an establishment candidate to him as I believe he is an actively destructive influence on our society. I was fucking pissed at Sanders being robbed not once, but twice. It would have been great if we had been able to vote on Sanders or Trump, rather than Clinton vs Trump and then Biden vs Trump.

The more I watch videos of Sanders addressing crowds and showing care for people in his rallies and speeches, genuine care, the more I am behind him. But the establishment Dems will never let him through as he stands against most of their platform (ie, the etsbalishment). They play on the social issues I agree with, but it's lip service really, what they (and establishment Repubs) really stand for is support of super wealthy and corporations. And in truth so does Trump despite hiding behind the MAGA rally call. But I don't see it in Sanders. That guy has integrity.
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Sanders likely won at least one if not both of the primaries, but it’s obviously about as fair as our general elections. When he capitulated in every way possible and showed how weak he is when under pressure I knew he could never win. Sanders is a weak man, though I think he does care. Drunpf does care and took on the entirety of the establishment, wasn’t perfect, but the first actual leader we have had since JFK, maybe Reagan. I only somewhat trust Reagan bc they tried to kill him a few times. I will never vote again, but I’ll never trust a politician who has the support of the government, media, corporate America. If voting mattered I’d vote for literally anyone other than the ‘good’ guy.
 
The Sanders talk likely doesn't belong in the Trump thread /CDuggles ;)

I'm kinda surprised the Sanders supporters weren't more vocal about getting shafted in the primaries. It's in line with conservatives concerned over voting shenanigans, when Sanders got shafted in TWO different primaries by the Dem machine.
 
I’m discussing Sanders/Trump voters, and I’ll never understand them. The two represent two almost diametrically opposed political philosophies (if Trump can be said to have a philosophy). Sanders loathes Trump.

But to your point, I think in the last election (I think the last two Dem presidential primaries were tinkered with for different reasons), Dems wanted to win and many felt Sanders couldn’t win a general election, which I think is true. So Clyburn and a few others got together and made sure Biden got nominated.

More OT: I wonder if Trump will run again to dodge his many legal problems. Like everyone else, I knew he’d stick with the grift, but I think he might actually see the writing on the wall. I think he realizes this is worse than Trump U, part II.
 
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