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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

TheLoveBandit said:
Do YOU wanna bet? Avatars maybe?
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alasdairm said:
sure.

but i offered a wager to @TripSitterNZ first.

if he won't stand by what he says and agree to a wager, i'd be happy to bet you an avatar change that trump does not win in 2024. specific details tbd.

alasdair
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Fair enough. We have plenty of time. Get things sorted with NZ, I'll be happy to hash out details later if the opportunity presents. I'd hate for the community to be denied either of our presences, so no 'loser goes home' wagers ;) But something like an avatar for 6-12mo would suffice for either of us in my book.
 
nypost.com

Trump tears into Fauci after release of early COVID emails

Former President Donald Trump pointed to the trove of emails belonging to Dr. Anthony Fauci to demand the scientist answer “questions.”
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Trump the only one with balls speaking straight facts. China should cough up that 10 trillion dollars ASAP. Fucking fauci should be thrown in a cell and jailed for been a Chinese shill covering the wuhan lab.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Have keyboard, will respond (more).

You assumed I'm a substance user. That would be incorrect. I haven't used anything in a long time, but I used to. ☹️
You assumed I should be held to 'a higher standard intellectually'. That would be up for debate ;)

You assumed I support Trump. I'm sorry you find it 'abhorrent' but I respect your right to your opinion, and yes, this one was true. However, to clarify, I have no love at all for the arrogant tone deaf person more interested in his own ego than doing what is right. But I am of a conservative view on most issues, and his platform, agenda, and attempted Presidency was aligned with what I value for my country. You say you voted for Biden but don't *support* him. I voted for Trump, and I don't support the man, but what he represents I do support. I'd likely vote for him again, depending on what other options are available. He may be an ugly tool (in several senses of the words), but he was an effective tool for what I wanted addressed. Additionally, the way the left attacked him relentlessly, rather than doing their job, drove me to support him all the more. At the same time, it drove me to despise Democrat politicians more than I ever imagined.

In several posts you seem disappointed with ALL politicians, not just Trump. Here, I will agree with you, though I've never really cared enough to be that disappointed until Obama and Trump. Prior to that I was happy in my ignorance. But I'll agree nearly ALL politicians are a disappointment. And, I'll agree, Biden appears to not disappoint insomuch as he just occupies space, which in some things is good in that it prevents someone worse doing something worse, regardless of where one's political inclination may lie.
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So I was more looking for what sorts of things he stood for or what policies in particular you supported? What of his platform or agenda drew you in?
 
Dropperneck said:
I definitely get how people that don’t know a ton about the banking system could think this. They make the policy, write the history, create the narratives. Why are only the few hold out countries from the central bank/imf on the shit list? I think it’s a tough place to be as any leader, when you are being used for proxy wars and resource theft on a mass scale.
Also Assad is sort of Uwu, and he has some majorly based takes on central banking, the evils of neo liberalism, and tons of other topics. In short I don’t judge these leaders bc they are under insane pressure from the banks and all of the propaganda against them has a major effect on perception. Especially with neo cons, rad libs, neo liberals that are very trusting of the media and whatever narrative they are being fed. I still crack up that people believed that he gassed his own people while the global community was in the country watching, and they were taking back that very entire region from isis. It wasn’t even his enemies, but asking the obvious questions about the presented narrative is always ‘racist’ or ‘homophobic’ or ‘stupid’, it’s all so very tiring tbh
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Dude I was alive and at least semi-conscious 10 years ago. I know what went on back then*...protests broke out in Syria for many of the same reasons they broke out everywhere from Morocco to Iraq during that period. A lot of it had economistic origins as the effects of the 2008 recession & European sovereign debt crisis trickled into the middle east...but a lot of it also had to do with the repressive political cultures in many of these Arab states. At some of those demos they had incredible rates of participation, as I remember in Homs they had something like 1 out of every 3 residents participating. Assad responded as many others did, with brute force, mass arrests, torture, executions, the whole deal. Unlike some of the others, and like his old man Hafez al-Assad during the 80s, he managed to cling to power. It's as simple (and depressing) as that. Although since that time it's become a massive proxy war between the USA and its allies (various shades of Islamists/Sunni extremists and the Rojava Kurds), the Assad regime and its allies (Russia, Iran, etc.), and ISIS. Who knows who's slaughtering who at this point, and who cares. It’s nothing more than a pawn in a geopolitical game between various world & regional powers now, as much as both the USA and various “anti-imperialists” might try and portray it otherwise.

And I know that you prefer this transhistorical narrative involving the IMF or the Fed or "sound money" or whatever being the lynch pin to understanding our f-ed up world, and everything for you gets rendered down into some variation of that central theme...and I get that, I really do, I'm a left-winger and anyone who knows us will tell you, we love giant overarching historical narratives, can't get enough of 'em. But that one...I dunno. Just not into it. I don't think its explanatory power is as great as you portray it as being. And no, it's not necessarily because I'm brainwashed sheeple...it could be that I just looked at some different things than you did (or even the same things!) and derived a different conclusion from them.

*al-Jazeera had decent coverage of the Arab Spring events...was it perfect, NO, absolutely not, and some of their reporting "more close to home" was dismal, a classic example being their coverage of the Arab Spring events in Bahrain. Like all major news organizations, it's subject to both public (state) and private (corporate) pressures. But, generally-speaking, pretty good. I also viewed a variety of left-wing websites related to struggles in Greece, the United States (Occupy Wall Street) etc. which were happening around the same time but those were more commentary rather than original reporting...although there was some of that too.

MydriHaze said:
Well he kinda blew up all his country after a major economic crisis due to food approvisation and inflation if i don't say bullshits, so i bet things are worst for him and for all now and that he kinda must feel dummy for all the costs (un)predictables... War doesn't always pay
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At least he rode it out and is still in power. Can't say the same for Ben Ali in Tunisia, Saleh in Yemen, or Qaddafi in Libya...
 
He’s head of state in a civil war-ravaged country like Syria while simultaneously belonging to (what many in his country believe to be) a heretical strain of Shia Islam which comprises about 15% of the population, so clearly he does have power, just like his father.
 
Yeah all heads of state, kings, dictators, autocrats, etc are ultimately confined by the vagaries and fluctuations of the market. So? That is different from the claim of, “he has no power”, or that his power is somehow irrelevant in the analysis. If that were true we’d already be treated to an online video of him being sodomized by a knife while a bunch of dudes yell allahu akhbar
 
Burnt Offerings said:
Dude I was alive and at least semi-conscious 10 years ago. I know what went on back then*...protests broke out in Syria for many of the same reasons they broke out everywhere from Morocco to Iraq during that period. A lot of it had economistic origins as the effects of the 2008 recession & European sovereign debt crisis trickled into the middle east...but a lot of it also had to do with the repressive political cultures in many of these Arab states. At some of those demos they had incredible rates of participation, as I remember in Homs they had something like 1 out of every 3 residents participating. Assad responded as many others did, with brute force, mass arrests, torture, executions, the whole deal. Unlike some of the others, and like his old man Hafez al-Assad during the 80s, he managed to cling to power. It's as simple (and depressing) as that. Although since that time it's become a massive proxy war between the USA and its allies (various shades of Islamists/Sunni extremists and the Rojava Kurds), the Assad regime and its allies (Russia, Iran, etc.), and ISIS. Who knows who's slaughtering who at this point, and who cares. It’s nothing more than a pawn in a geopolitical game between various world & regional powers now, as much as both the USA and various “anti-imperialists” might try and portray it otherwise.

And I know that you prefer this transhistorical narrative involving the IMF or the Fed or "sound money" or whatever being the lynch pin to understanding our f-ed up world, and everything for you gets rendered down into some variation of that central theme...and I get that, I really do, I'm a left-winger and anyone who knows us will tell you, we love giant overarching historical narratives, can't get enough of 'em. But that one...I dunno. Just not into it. I don't think its explanatory power is as great as you portray it as being. And no, it's not necessarily because I'm brainwashed sheeple...it could be that I just looked at some different things than you did (or even the same things!) and derived a different conclusion from them.

*al-Jazeera had decent coverage of the Arab Spring events...was it perfect, NO, absolutely not, and some of their reporting "more close to home" was dismal, a classic example being their coverage of the Arab Spring events in Bahrain. Like all major news organizations, it's subject to both public (state) and private (corporate) pressures. But, generally-speaking, pretty good. I also viewed a variety of left-wing websites related to struggles in Greece, the United States (Occupy Wall Street) etc. which were happening around the same time but those were more commentary rather than original reporting...although there was some of that too.



At least he rode it out and is still in power. Can't say the same for Ben Ali in Tunisia, Saleh in Yemen, or Qaddafi in Libya...
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Definitely agree with your take on Assad. Just not gonna pretend he’s worse than many in the west, also am not gonna buy western leaders opinions of him. Trying to force ‘democracy’ on the ME is arrogant, and a fools errand imo.
Al jazeera is actually pretty impressive, they did a multi part under cover investigation into the Israel lobby in the US and showed their subversive behavior, on a grand scale. It’s hard to find, as it gets scrubbed on most sites for obvious reason.
It’s hard to believe, but all of the major issues we face are a direct cause of the IMF setting Policy and manipulating economies. The private western central bank, basically London-DC-Rome, are the main culprits. It’s worth reading about, I know lefties used to be anti bank before being manipulated with idpol.
 
People on the left (or at least the left as I understand it) are aware of, and opposed to, the “financialization” of the economy...but the responsible ones are wary of mistaking symptoms for diseases, and would stop short of ascribing all of the modern world’s problems to something which has only developed (in its fullest expression anyway) over the past 30 years or so. The fact that many of the problems we have today have iterations in the past, prior to & outside of that 30 year, post-Cold War window, leads me to believe that the problems cannot simply be rendered down into mere variations of that construct.
 
JessFR said:
I don't want a president who attacks American protesters so he can have a pathetic photo OP.
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Seems that wasn't exactly what happened....

Watchdog report finds Park Police did not clear racial injustice protesters from Lafayette Park for Trump's visit to St. John's Church last June​

(CNN)The US Park Police did not clear racial injustice protesters from Lafayette Park to allow for then-President Donald Trump's march to St. John's Church last June, but instead did so to allow a contractor to install a fence safely around the White House, according to a new inspector general report.

The Park Police had the authority to clear protesters during last summer's clash outside the White House, according to the report released by the Interior Department's inspector general on Wednesday.

Last summer, federal law enforcement agents, including Park Police, clashed with protesters near Lafayette Square, a park across the street from the White House traditionally used for peaceful protests and demonstrations.

The protesters were forcefully cleared just prior to Trump's controversial photo at a nearby church, where he held up a Bible after he had declared himself the "law and order" President.

But, according to the watchdog's report, "The evidence we obtained did not support a finding that the USPP cleared the park to allow the President to survey the damage and walk to St. John's Church."
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Watchdog Report Says Police Did Not Clear Protesters To Make Way For Trump Photo-Op​


The U.S. Park Police did not clear protesters from a park outside the White House so then-President Donald Trump could take a photo-op at a nearby church, an Interior Department inspector general's report found.

"[T]he evidence established that relevant USPP officials had made those decisions and had begun implementing the operational plan several hours before they knew of a potential Presidential visit to the park, which occurred later that day," Interior Department Inspector General Mark Greenblatt wrote in a statement with the report's release Wednesday. "As such, we determined that the evidence did not support a finding that the USPP cleared the park on June 1, 2020, so that then President Trump could enter the park."
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Note, the left lean sources :\

One more gripe about Trump that it seems is unsubstantiated. Like many others.
 
I personally don't recall the details well, but at the time it very much seemed like Trump had done that in defiance to BLM protests. Clearly fingers are being pointed either way. Glad I stepped out of that one quick.
 
Yeah I remember that ridiculous photo op, with him holding the good book upside down with his trademark butch stankface lol. I swear, some moments in his administration (like that one, the “fast food banquet”, etc) were so absurd, you just looked at them and thought, this shit can’t be real, this dude must be trolling us right now
 
iridescentblack said:
I personally don't recall the details well, but at the time it very much seemed like Trump had done that in defiance to BLM protests.
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The church had just been vandalized, local park crew were to clear the area to begin restoration. Trump's photo up was in support of the church and other establishments against such vandalism. Oh, and to pump his ego.
 
actually we are a banana republic, where the hell did my vote go? Doesn't matter, and hasn't mattered for the last 30 years...former united states of america...USSA
 
Like any election, you voted but your candidate doesn't always win, that's how democracy works. That's why we have voting, so the majority dictates who wins. Though the electoral college kinda fucks with that. He lost the popular vote both times but won the first time because the system is outdated. We should just have a pure majority system, instead of this weird fucking system we have.

Republican election officials who voted for Trump and wanted him to win are getting death threats to this day for their testimony that the election wasn't rigged. That should tell you a lot right there.

One thing I'll say is that I do think it's entirely reasonable and sensible to require an ID to cast a vote, to prevent fraud. That's the only point on the side of the Republicans I support in the election reform discussion.
 
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