25 year old women arrested for having sex with three students

[mal3volent]

No, I wouldn't have sex with a 13 year old, because as I've said numerous times I'm into older men... so obviously you have a reading comprehension problem too, on top of it all.

Watching you morally righteous folk try to grasp at straws is so entertaining. I'm glad I stopped being annoyed and just started enjoying the show. What a train wreck.

if you were attracted to younger guys instead, would you have sex with a 13 year old?

 

[Foreigner]

All I am reading here is a gay man that was sexually abused and traumatised as a kid/teen defending and making excuses a paedophiles or adults that are sexual predators towards children/teens that the sexual abuse is somehow 'consensual, not harmful, not bad, etc.' When in fact it is harmful sexual and psychological abuse no matter what the sex/gender of the adult/adults is or the sex/gender of the victims. Nobody is 'reshaping a narrative or your life experience' you were sexually abused by a predatory paedophile teacher that took advantage of you, manipulated you, and psychologically and sexually abused you when he should have never done any of this.

It does not matter how 'ready or mature' you thought you were, or that you were sexually active already with a male friend/peer-as long as it was consensual I have no issues with this- you were sexually and psychologically abused by your paedophile teacher and are now advocating for adult gay identified men to sleep with teens who are not yet adults. Please get help for being sexually and psychologically abused.

Also consider telling the police or child welfare services about your paedophile teacher as you are not his only victim.

It is not homophobic/biphobic, evil, talking down, or whatever when people dislike a paedophile or sexual abuser of teens and children who are of the same sex/gender of the paedophile like your paedophile teacher and you, or when we speak out against people advocating for paedophilia or sexual abuse of teens/kids like you are doing when you claim the sexual abuse by your paedophile teacher was 'sexy, hot, not harmful, etc.'

FYI the vast majority of gay and bisexual men are not paedophiles like your teacher is and are not paederasts going on sex apps or websites and having sex with underage teens who post fake profiles, catphish with stolen pics/fake profiles that say they are over ages 18-21. Paedophiles like your teacher and like the disgusting guys on apps looking for underage teens are not liked and we really loathe these scummy creeps, and we do not advocate for children or underage teens to have sex with any adult.

I am not sure your age, but in North America in the 1970s-very early 1990s paedophiles would show up to gay/LGB pride events and advocated for NAMBLA, and all of the BS you are arguing for. You even had "gay"-in quotes as these men are paedophiles- leaders like Harvey Milk, Allen Ginsberg, Pat Califia, and Harry Hay the radical faeire who advocated for the sexual abuse of underage teens and children and they used the same BS arguments you are using. Harvey Milk sexually abused young teens, the Randy Schilts biography documents this as well as the super old documentary.

Jeeze all I did was take psych 101 and 202 in university, and I can see how transparently wrong you are. You have zero credibility here, so why would I give two fucks what you think about gay history, gay pride parades, pedophiles, or anything else you have to say about my life? You can't even recognize the nuances in my posts... i.e. now saying I support pedophilia and child sexual abuse just because I think my situation wasn't abuse. If you really believe that, then you can't discern A from B. Honestly you are beyond FUBAR and you should not be giving people mental health advice in this topic. Besides being unqualified, you are going about it in a totally twisted way that is clearly agenda based and not actually about helping people.

You'll never convince me of anything. I think you are one of the most fucked up people I've ever interacted with on Bluelight, and I've had more than my fair share. Your crusade is a mask for your obvious psychoses. Get help.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

You've already proven yourself to be a grade A idiot with serious reading comprehension problems, a pseudo expertise in psychology, and a penchant for gaslighting people who you believe need therapy but won't heed your almighty advice. Jeeze all I did was take psych 101 and 202 in university, and I can see how transparently wrong you are. You have zero credibility here, so why would I give two fucks what you think about gay history, gay pride parades, pedophiles, or anything else you have to say about my life? You can't even recognize the nuances in my posts... i.e. now saying I support pedophilia and child sexual abuse just because I think my situation wasn't abuse. If you really believe that, then you can't discern A from B. Honestly you are beyond FUBAR and you should not be giving people mental health advice in this topic. Besides being unqualified, you are going about it in a totally twisted way that is clearly agenda based and not actually about helping people.

You'll never convince me of anything. I think you are one of the most fucked up people I've ever interacted with on Bluelight, and I've had more than my fair share. Your crusade is a mask for your obvious psychoses. Get help.

You are defending a paedophile that sexually abused you and other children/teens, and downplaying sexual abuse which was clearly traumatic for you as this is your reaction.

I have never been in psychosis but you certainly have been, and you are the one that needs help as you defend pederasts and believe that sexual abuse of children/teens by adults is 'harmless', 'sexy', 'not abuse at all', etc.

You even have the gall to claim that anyone who is against child/teen sexual abuse by paedophiles or by their peers is homophobic/biphobic and that gay men somehow want to sexually abuse children/teens when the only people who do this or want to do it are paedophiles like your teacher.

You are the one advocating for paedophilia, claiming that sexual abuse of teens/children by adults is 'harmless', and you are being homophobic/biphobic by claiming that adult gay and bisexual men have sex with children and teens when anyone with a brain knows we do not and that only paedophiles like your teacher as well as people like you who are sexually abused as teens/kids but do not get help for being sexually abused go on to do.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Well if you think about it from the adult you were happy to fuck st 13's perspective, he would be getting off on penetrating and molesting a child.




13 IS a child, they are kids, even if they think they aren't.


You at 13 might think you're grown up and are seen as adult if you are doing adult things with an adult. But no, you're just a child who is sucking his cock, being penetrated, there is nothing sensual about it.


Foreigner fucking his 13 year old friend, jeez, is that supposed to be a shining example of being far more mature and superior to his 13 year old friends?


If that is something to be proud of, what did his family and other friends think of this, surely it wouldn't be kept a secret since, he's really so mature anyway?


I doubt being sexually active and promiscuous at that age really means that the guy is really a stand out, quite the opposite in fact.

Hormones flood in and kids go nuts, that's why adults should be adult , not prey on the bloody things

I have been on apps for bisexual and gay men as a gay friend recommended it and said he likes them but I never met up with anyone as it was full of profiles without pictures/basic information, the tracking or almost exact location tracking was not something I liked. I had crazy random men message me asking for unsafe sex so I deleted my profile and the apps after 15 mins. I never saw any teens or anyone who is not over 18 on there. In my former profiles I said not to contact me if you are not over age 30.

So I would not be surprised if he has used apps to find teens to sexually abuse, or is into disgusting age play, or teacher/student role play to recreate his sexual abuse or sick paedophile fantasies he wrote about.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

It's amusing to watch people scramble for cookie-cutter explanations when faced with complex nuances because their tiny pea brains can't handle a world that is actually more diverse and complicated than they realize.

It's also really amusing to watch you make up stories about my interaction with the older guy, about how it went down, how things were perceived, as though you were actually there? Wow... so, on top of having a psychology degree, you also have a time machine and I guess an invisibility cloak to watch what kind of sex was going on, and I didn't know you were there? Just what kind of freaky voyeur are you?

No, I wouldn't have sex with a 13 year old, because as I've said numerous times I'm into older men... so obviously you have a reading comprehension problem too, on top of it all.

Watching you morally righteous folk try to grasp at straws is so entertaining. I'm glad I stopped being annoyed and just started enjoying the show. What a train wreck.

Dunno if you've read any of my posts....but basically I know exactly how you feel about it.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Yeah... like I don't object to people thinking the adult is breaking the law. Clearly the guy I was involved with broke the law. But I was also having sex with my best friend who was also 13 years old. So what do people think about that? Two 13 year olds can't technically consent under statutory laws, but we were doing it and enjoying it a lot. Is it somehow better because we were both 13, even though the sex was (to be honest) pretty bad? Like why is it automatically bad just because an adult is involved? Yes, there is a power and experience disparity for sure, but not all adults abuse that disparity. Some are VERY aware of it and wield it with consideration. Some say that sex with a minor, period, is inconsiderate -- I don't agree. It's not automatic like that, there are nuances. That's what happened in my case. I know these questions are controversial and make people uncomfortable, but seriously, it's another side of the reality we're talking about. And people don't want to talk about it because it creates a gateway to justify real abuse, which I understand. But I won't be talked down to or have my life narrative rewritten because of that.

My sexual awakening happened very early, I would call myself sexually precocious. I wanted to have sex asap and I was already trying to do things beyond my age pay grade, while some of my peers were still basically infantile in how they viewed the world. I grew up in a very normal family with zero sexual abuse or any history that can be found to explain this. I was just horny AF and early. This idea that I was raped, traumatized, etc. is just laughable. I couldn't get laid fast enough and my only limitation was having the know-how and the courage to go do it. I had zero qualms about wanting to have sex that early. This narrative that it's always harmful is just silly. There's bad sex and there's good sex, but I never had traumatic sex at that age. It was all innocent, pleasurable, and fun. Awkward at times, but not harmful. There are a lot of underaged people who have sex with older people. It's illegal, yes, but it's not always harmful. Sometimes it is very harmful. This idea that it is always harmful, always rape, and can only be bad, is just moralistic claptrap to me. Despite what some psychos in this thread think, I've discussed this at length with actual therapists and none of them think that I was harmed by it, even though it was certainly not legal or socially moral. I have real PTSD from completely different life events. I've been genuinely sexually assaulted twice, both times in my 20's, while on dates. I don't look upon my early sexual experiences as rapey whatsoever. People like PriestTheyCalledHim need to fucking check their unqualified selves.

I do understand that other young people in my position get fucked up routinely by adults. That's why I think the laws are a good thing. They should exist. But in my case there was no harm, no foul. I didn't tell my parents or anybody else because I wasn't suffering, I was enjoying it. It was a fantasy and dream come true, and I actually learned a lot by being with an older man who was kind, considerate and moved at my pace. He wasn't the last much older guy I was involved with, but at those points I was 16+. Older men are just better. I have no interest in my peers, they're boring and inexperienced. Every partner I've had is 7+ years my senior, even now.

Your question about sexual orientation... I don't really get it. Being with an older man when I was 13 didn't make me gay. I was already having sex with my best friend, a male, who was also 13, well before I got with the older man. I don't think child molestation determines orientation. In the case of actual abuse, I think it can add an extra layer of trauma if the perp is not of the young person's sexual orientation, but I don't think it can change their orientation. The research does not bear that out.

I think gay men in general are more sexually liberated than straight people, so we don't view sex with the same level of restriction, or with the same values. In the adult gay world, gay men have sexual lifestyles that seem immoral or beyond the comprehension of a lot of straight people. So I'm considering that maybe that's one extra reason why my story doesn't fully land well with some. They're thinking about creepy older guys buggering helpless little girls - which is honestly the norm in the sexual abuse world. And while older men bugger male minors too, I think there is an element of gay culture that promotes the dad/son dynamic between consenting adults, that also translates to controversial sex with minors, that nobody wants to talk about. Practically all gay men I've ever met would never be with someone under aged, but like straight people, there's a minority who would. We're not talking being with children, but maybe a 17 year old. There's lots of jail bait out there on the dating apps, it's why the police monitor them with fake accounts. Pederasty is a real thing in human history -- adult men mentoring male minors in sexual ways. Our modern society forbids it, but it still happens regularly. Mind you, I'm not into the dad/son thing whatsoever. Older guys aren't my "dads" they're my boyfriends and equals. I'm just into hot sex with hot guys, when there is a good connection. I don't even hookup. I like to know the guy first.

Can those very early experiences shape sexual perception for life? Of course they can, and they do. Does that mean very young people should be avoiding sex completely? No, I don't think so. I was ready to have sex at 13. I was begging for it. I was happy when it started happening. If I never got to be with my math teacher I would've been with someone else, probably closer to my age group. The fact that my teacher fantasy became a reality was just the cherry on top of my explorations at that age. It was hot as fuck.

What I do notice is the gender bias. When a man sleeps with a minor, the man is always a pedo. When a woman does it, it's more celebrated. And when it's a man sleeping with a male minor, it gets THE WORST backlash. They're basically evil. It's the typical homophobic shit.

I think the only thing controversial here is that it's teachers doing it. It's outside their professional, custodial role. For me, that's the main problem. If we dig deeper and find out these minors enjoyed themselves, and that maybe in 10+ years they look back on it as non-problematic, then I think this is a non-issue. But of course, we will never hear their stories because minors are protected in the media (justifiably). And arguably, all the hoopla itself is going to convince them that they were abused and this was bad (and maybe it was). So the public, their communities and their families are already shaping their narrative for them, just like some idiots in this thread are trying to do to me. And maybe, if something traumatic really happened in sex with that female teacher, the reshaping of the narrative is going to help insulate them from some psychological harm. For me, I didn't walk away from it damaged, quite the contrary. I slept with my math teacher because he was my fantasy guy, not because he was my teacher. If I had met him anywhere else, it would've been the same thing.



Nope. Gay male.

You are the only unqualified person here as you are advocating that sexual abuse of children and teens by adults is 'good', 'mentoring', 'not harmful', or whatever other NAMBLA paedophile BS you want to claim.

You do have a history of sexual abuse. Both with the teacher who sexually abused you when you were 13, and you wrote about former tricks/hookups/dates, ex's sexually abusing you.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

It wasn't sexual abuse. It was hot.

I don't think he was a regular pedo. I just looked more mature for my age, already had a beard growing and everything. He was very nervous and said he had never done it before. So... yeah... no pedo vibes. Just hot older guy vibes

I've always been with guys older than me so it was okay.

Yeah that is sexual abuse, he is a paedophile, and you were affected and harmed by it, even going as far as claiming that adult men who are gay, bisexual, not heterosexual want to sexually abuse teens/children, seek them out on apps/websites, etc. When in reality if a man or woman is bisexual or gay we are not pedophiles and do not sexually abuse children or teens.

Yeah... like I don't object to people thinking the adult is breaking the law. Clearly the guy I was involved with broke the law. But I was also having sex with my best friend who was also 13 years old. So what do people think about that? Two 13 year olds can't technically consent under statutory laws, but we were doing it and enjoying it a lot. Is it somehow better because we were both 13, even though the sex was (to be honest) pretty bad? Like why is it automatically bad just because an adult is involved? Yes, there is a power and experience disparity for sure, but not all adults abuse that disparity. Some are VERY aware of it and wield it with consideration. Some say that sex with a minor, period, is inconsiderate -- I don't agree. It's not automatic like that, there are nuances. That's what happened in my case. I know these questions are controversial and make people uncomfortable, but seriously, it's another side of the reality we're talking about. And people don't want to talk about it because it creates a gateway to justify real abuse, which I understand. But I won't be talked down to or have my life narrative rewritten because of that.

My sexual awakening happened very early, I would call myself sexually precocious. I wanted to have sex asap and I was already trying to do things beyond my age pay grade, while some of my peers were still basically infantile in how they viewed the world. I grew up in a very normal family with zero sexual abuse or any history that can be found to explain this. I was just horny AF and early. This idea that I was raped, traumatized, etc. is just laughable. I couldn't get laid fast enough and my only limitation was having the know-how and the courage to go do it. I had zero qualms about wanting to have sex that early. This narrative that it's always harmful is just silly. There's bad sex and there's good sex, but I never had traumatic sex at that age. It was all innocent, pleasurable, and fun. Awkward at times, but not harmful. There are a lot of underaged people who have sex with older people. It's illegal, yes, but it's not always harmful. Sometimes it is very harmful. This idea that it is always harmful, always rape, and can only be bad, is just moralistic claptrap to me. Despite what some psychos in this thread think, I've discussed this at length with actual therapists and none of them think that I was harmed by it, even though it was certainly not legal or socially moral. I have real PTSD from completely different life events. I've been genuinely sexually assaulted twice, both times in my 20's, while on dates. I don't look upon my early sexual experiences as rapey whatsoever. People like PriestTheyCalledHim need to fucking check their unqualified selves.

I do understand that other young people in my position get fucked up routinely by adults. That's why I think the laws are a good thing. They should exist. But in my case there was no harm, no foul. I didn't tell my parents or anybody else because I wasn't suffering, I was enjoying it. It was a fantasy and dream come true, and I actually learned a lot by being with an older man who was kind, considerate and moved at my pace. He wasn't the last much older guy I was involved with, but at those points I was 16+. Older men are just better. I have no interest in my peers, they're boring and inexperienced. Every partner I've had is 7+ years my senior, even now.

Your question about sexual orientation... I don't really get it. Being with an older man when I was 13 didn't make me gay. I was already having sex with my best friend, a male, who was also 13, well before I got with the older man. I don't think child molestation determines orientation. In the case of actual abuse, I think it can add an extra layer of trauma if the perp is not of the young person's sexual orientation, but I don't think it can change their orientation. The research does not bear that out.

I think gay men in general are more sexually liberated than straight people, so we don't view sex with the same level of restriction, or with the same values. In the adult gay world, gay men have sexual lifestyles that seem immoral or beyond the comprehension of a lot of straight people. So I'm considering that maybe that's one extra reason why my story doesn't fully land well with some. They're thinking about creepy older guys buggering helpless little girls - which is honestly the norm in the sexual abuse world. And while older men bugger male minors too, I think there is an element of gay culture that promotes the dad/son dynamic between consenting adults, that also translates to controversial sex with minors, that nobody wants to talk about. Practically all gay men I've ever met would never be with someone under aged, but like straight people, there's a minority who would. We're not talking being with children, but maybe a 17 year old. There's lots of jail bait out there on the dating apps, it's why the police monitor them with fake accounts. Pederasty is a real thing in human history -- adult men mentoring male minors in sexual ways. Our modern society forbids it, but it still happens regularly. Mind you, I'm not into the dad/son thing whatsoever. Older guys aren't my "dads" they're my boyfriends and equals. I'm just into hot sex with hot guys, when there is a good connection. I don't even hookup. I like to know the guy first.

Can those very early experiences shape sexual perception for life? Of course they can, and they do. Does that mean very young people should be avoiding sex completely? No, I don't think so. I was ready to have sex at 13. I was begging for it. I was happy when it started happening. If I never got to be with my math teacher I would've been with someone else, probably closer to my age group. The fact that my teacher fantasy became a reality was just the cherry on top of my explorations at that age. It was hot as fuck.

What I do notice is the gender bias. When a man sleeps with a minor, the man is always a pedo. When a woman does it, it's more celebrated. And when it's a man sleeping with a male minor, it gets THE WORST backlash. They're basically evil. It's the typical homophobic shit.

I think the only thing controversial here is that it's teachers doing it. It's outside their professional, custodial role. For me, that's the main problem. If we dig deeper and find out these minors enjoyed themselves, and that maybe in 10+ years they look back on it as non-problematic, then I think this is a non-issue. But of course, we will never hear their stories because minors are protected in the media (justifiably). And arguably, all the hoopla itself is going to convince them that they were abused and this was bad (and maybe it was). So the public, their communities and their families are already shaping their narrative for them, just like some idiots in this thread are trying to do to me. And maybe, if something traumatic really happened in sex with that female teacher, the reshaping of the narrative is going to help insulate them from some psychological harm. For me, I didn't walk away from it damaged, quite the contrary. I slept with my math teacher because he was my fantasy guy, not because he was my teacher. If I had met him anywhere else, it would've been the same thing.



Nope. Gay male.

Find better qualified therapists, the ones you saw are a joke. No qualified or excellent therapist, counselor, psychiatrist, etc. that wants to help people is going to tell you that sexual abuse as a child/teen by an adult or anyone is harmless, or whatever lies you are claiming.

But you live in a fantasy world, not reality and go into psychotic states.

 

[Foreigner]

You don't have much of an opinion about my story? Your past posts in this thread say otherwise. I don't need people to fawn over me. What I don't respond well to is disrespect, which you have shown ample amounts of in this thread. Now I'm responding to disrespect with disrespect. It's funny to watch you pretend like you didn't instigate this by coming for me with your twisted opinions about my life story, and then blame me like I'm some narcissist who just pulled opinions about you out of my ass because I felt like toying with someone.

How about this? Don't dish it out if you can't handle it. You don't fuck with me, and I don't fuck with you.

The fact that I have good command of the English language in writing doesn't mean I have a superiority complex. It means I enjoy writing. Sorry if my intelligence intimidates you, but I don't think I'm better than anyone. I give my opinions on topics like anybody else, sometimes I write at length because I enjoy it. I'm also capable of being wrong... it happens regularly.

Gnostic Bishop has been temp banned how many times now? Not by me because I'm not a mod anymore. So I guess forum staff are all just abusers out to get him too?

I don't give a shit about the rest of what you say because of most of it is a whiny rant about how the world isn't what you want it to be. Boo hoo.

Now get back to the topic at hand and stop wasting everyone's time with your failed attempt to tear down my character.

 

[Foreigner]

Dunno if you've read any of my posts....but basically I know exactly how you feel about it.

I did read them, and I really appreciated them. Been a little preoccupied defending myself from nannying busybodies.

 

[Jabberwocky]

A BRIEF WORD FROM THE MODS

I know that this is a very emotive topic that directly affects Bluelighters in different ways. Many Bluelighters, including your mods in this sub-forum, have been the victims of child abuse and have trouble reconciling their traumatic experience with the idea such things could be harmless let alone enjoyable for the children in question.

As far as I can see from what has been written @Foreigner has admitted participating in a sexual relationship as a child with a paedophile and believes that the experience was positive. I don't think it is constructive for anyone to comment on the specifics of that relationship with respect to whether it damaged @Foreigner or not. Only @Foreigner can be the judge of that. Furthermore, @Foreigner has not, as far as I can see advocated or endorsed paedophilia more generally. I don't think there is any need for anyone to further focus on @Foreigner's case. If you have questions about the experience or concerns for @Foreigner 's wellbeing it would be best to take it to DM at this point. However, I don't get the impression that @Foreigner would be very open to further discussion.

In order to keep the thread open I'll be deleting any further discussion on @Foreigner specifically. However, you are all welcome to continue discussing the questions of whether children can consent, whether they are always damaged by sexual experiences with adults and other related matters in the abstract.

Please note again that the posting guidelines for this sub-forum are designed to make it a kinder gentler place for discussing very sensitive and personal matters and there is zero tolerance for ad hominem personal attacks or overly judgemental comments about other members. Do your best to understand one another even when you disagree with one another.

 

[Foreigner]

A BRIEF WORD FROM THE MODS

I know that this is a very emotive topic that directly affects Bluelighters in different ways. Many Bluelighters, including your mods in this sub-forum, have been the victims of child abuse and have trouble reconciling their traumatic experience with the idea such things could be harmless let alone enjoyable for the children in question.

As far as I can see from what has been written @Foreigner has admitted participating in a sexual relationship as a child with a paedophile and believes that the experience was positive. I don't think it is constructive for anyone to comment on the specifics of that relationship with respect to whether it damaged @Foreigner or not. Only @Foreigner can be the judge of that. Furthermore, @Foreigner has not, as far as I can see advocated or endorsed paedophilia more generally. I don't think there is any need for anyone to further focus on @Foreigner's case. If you have questions about the experience or concerns for @Foreigner 's wellbeing it would be best to take it to DM at this point. However, I don't get the impression that @Foreigner would be very open to further discussion.

In order to keep the thread open I'll be deleting any further discussion on @Foreigner specifically. However, you are all welcome to continue discussing the questions of whether children can consent, whether they are always damaged by sexual experiences with adults and other related matters in the abstract.

Please note again that the posting guidelines for this sub-forum are designed to make it a kinder gentler place for discussing very sensitive and personal matters and there is zero tolerance for ad hominem personal attacks or overly judgemental comments about other members. Do your best to understand one another even when you disagree with one another.

He wasn't a pedophile though. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. They're ONLY into children. I knew him for years and I was a one-off. He later married a man his own age. I wish you people would stop projecting unqualified BS. This is the last I have to say about it as I am tired of combating narrow minded busybodies.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

That was me i'd still be having sex with her and she'd still have a job, where I come from you don't snitch,it could be a death sentence if you do.

I hate rats.

 

[SteeleyJ]

I am 100% biased with this..... when a female teacher sleeps with the male student....I'm like way t I go kid!!!!! If I had issue I would say something kind-of politely to teacher like hey maybe don't do this huh.

Now male teacher sleeps with young girl..... I am outraged. I want to fight the teacher... put their actions all over social media....

Anyone seen the south park episode with Ike and the teacher and all the adult townspeople are like " was she hot? Niiiiice " that me.

 

[Foreigner]

High schools shouldn’t hire these kids fresh out of college to teach seniors in high school. They are only a few years removed from high school themselves and the maturity level of the students and these teachers a practically the same. It is completely understandable that people of similar maturity that are in to the same culture that like the same music and fashions and probably run in similar circles and know all the same people might be attracted to each other.

Whenever I read about these teachers hooking up with their students, I can only blame the school board for being stupid enough hiring these teachers and allowing them to teach basically their peers. It’s setting up an environment for this to happen. Everyone is horny around these ages, and if you put them together, it should be no surprise that they fuck each other. I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often.

I don’t think people fresh out of college should be allowed teach high school. They are too close in age and maturity. I see this as an inevitable consequence.

I had the hots for my chemistry teacher senior year. Everybody did, and she knew it. She was right out of college and I don’t know if anything inappropriate ever happened, but she could get us boys to basically do anything. She knew she had that power over us. She completely flirted with the boys and the girls in the class were jealous of her. If she wanted any of us, she could. If anything ever happened, no one ever said anything about it. I think the problem at this charter school is that these guys that she fucked probably bragged about it like idiots and got this teacher in trouble, and cock blocked themselves from future sex.

I do not think that this was anything more than dumb immature children hooking up like dumb immature children always do. They should have kept there mouths shut and she should have never been allowed to teach her horny peers.

The most well reasoned post in this entire thread. Props.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I am 100% biased with this..... when a female teacher sleeps with the male student....I'm like way t I go kid!!!!! If I had issue I would say something kind-of politely to teacher like hey maybe don't do this huh.

Now male teacher sleeps with young girl..... I am outraged. I want to fight the teacher... put their actions all over social media....

Anyone seen the south park episode with Ike and the teacher and all the adult townspeople are like " was she hot? Niiiiice " that me.

What do you think is behind your different feelings when it is a girl student vs a boy student? I think that is actually a common response and has something to do with the way of it people see female sexuality vs male sexuality.

Something about how women are passive and need to be seduced or manipulated into sex vs guys always up for it?

I suspect many women are conditioned into thinking their sexualitu should be like that whereas in actual fact they are as sexual ad men.

It would be worth getting a female perspective on this supposed difference between men and women.

The most well reasoned post in this entire thread. Props.

Some good old common sense in that ole Wizard.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

He wasn't a pedophile though. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. They're ONLY into children. I knew him for years and I was a one-off. He later married a man his own age. I wish you people would stop projecting unqualified BS. This is the last I have to say about it as I am tired of combating narrow minded busybodies.

So what? Your pedophile teacher is not a good guy and he should be in prison, not teaching as he is predatory towards children and teens, and you were sexually and psychologically abused and manipulated by him.

This is a myth. Many pedophiles such as your teacher that sexually abused you when you were a child/teen at 12/13 do marry adults.

I went to school as a teen with three people who when they became adults and decades later after we were no longer in school or in contact they were arrested for sexually abusing children/teens. The two adult men and woman were married to people of the opposite sex. I learned all about this as a friends that keep up with alumni organisations told me as it was all everyone was talking about.

Even the disgusting pedophile dogshit politician Harvey Milk was 'married' or co-habitated with adult men while he sexually abused male teens/boys.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Ugh not again!

Florida woman accused of sexual activity with 17-year-old, as 12-year-old slept nearby

 

[Foreigner]

What do you think is behind your different feelings when it is a girl student vs a boy student? I think that is actually a common response and has something to do with the way of it people see female sexuality vs male sexuality.

There isn't a difference, really. It's all based on context. I've had female friends in my teens who were seeing older guys in college. It was very common. One was 14 her boyfriend was 21. Our friend group knew and nobody else but her relationship was fine otherwise -- unconventional, sure, but nothing amiss. Another girl in my friend group who was 15 at the time got raped at a party by a guy who was 20 and she went to the party with him on a date.

I don't agree with this idea that it's all just pedophilia. I'll say it again, pedophilia is an actual sexual orientation toward children. They always choose children, usually under 12 years old. They are not attracted to secondary sex characteristics. People in their teens often show these characteristics and some may even appear adult like which blurs the lines. When I was 14 I was already 6 foot, had a beard, my voice was getting deeper, I was sexually active. One of my friends who was 6 months younger than me still looked like a little boy and hated how mature I looked. When I was 14 I could get into night clubs without being ID'd, if I wore the right clothes. (That was back when they didn't card everyone.) I could buy cigarettes. Yeah... questionable... but it was just how it was.

Sometimes an older person has a special connection with a younger person and it's not pedophilia because in a future relationship that older person may end up with someone their own age, or older. I've seen that. Can there be love between an adult and a minor that also involves sex? Yes, I think so. Can it just be hot sex and not about love, but getting off because of carnal attraction? Hell yeah... that's how it was for me.

So yeah... sometimes it's abuse, and sometimes it's not. It's abuse if abuse is actually happening, not because some law magically says that all underaged sex is abuse. The law should exist to protect victims, just like suicide laws exist to rescue people who end up being glad they were rescued even though a lot of people genuinely want to die. The laws exist to aid the dark side, but not all sex with minors is dark.

Something about how women are passive and need to be seduced or manipulated into sex vs guys always up for it?

I suspect many women are conditioned into thinking their sexualitu should be like that whereas in actual fact they are as sexual ad men.

It would be worth getting a female perspective on this supposed difference between men and women.

Most of the high profile cases we hear about involve men actually harming younger women, so I think that has something to do with it. Men in general have more aggressive, active, predatory-like sexuality. Testosterone drives this. Women who have higher testosterone behave similarly, and in the trans community we hear all about FTM folk talking about how sex became a much bigger priority when they started taking T. So males, by default, treat sex as a higher priority, which is why when they go after young women it's viewed as "they're only into one thing"... because the stereotype is that male sexuality is inherently predatory and female sexuality isn't. It's also why people think that men want sex whenever they can get it, so of course they would be happy to get banged by their female teacher.

So yes, the stereotypes are problematic, but there is also truth in stereotypes. I've known lots of underage guys in my life who "got lucky" with an older woman and nobody is running around whining about pedophilia or child abuse. They celebrated their victories. In my youth volunteer group, one of the guys who was 16 was routinely fucking the MOTHER of another guy in our group... at least twice a week, for like, 5 months. The only thing shameful about the whole ordeal was that the other guy in the group never knew, and if he found out he would've been homicidal. But nobody talked about pedophilia.

Likewise, I've known plenty of under aged girls dating college guys. They practical idolize guys in the college scene. They look at them like they're mature, have their shit together, are hotter, they have money, they have cars, they aren't anything like their immature peers. (Which is a joke really because a 21 year old in college is still mostly clueless, in my books.) I mean, do I even have to bring up how much college vs. pre-teen porn is out there? It's gross to me, but the fantasy is fueled by a reality that's happening in our world. I think we infantilize all minors and expect them to be these innocent little angels who aren't ready for anything -- and that's true of most, but not all. Not me, anyway.

Context matters.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

There isn't a difference, really. It's all based on context. I've had female friends in my teens who were seeing older guys in college. It was very common. One was 14 her boyfriend was 21. Our friend group knew and nobody else but her relationship was fine otherwise -- unconventional, sure, but nothing amiss. Another girl in my friend group who was 15 at the time got raped at a party by a guy who was 20 and she went to the party with him on a date.

I don't agree with this idea that it's all just pedophilia. I'll say it again, pedophilia is an actual sexual orientation toward children. They always choose children, usually under 12 years old. They are not attracted to secondary sex characteristics. People in their teens often show these characteristics and some may even appear adult like which blurs the lines. When I was 14 I was already 6 foot, had a beard, my voice was getting deeper, I was sexually active. One of my friends who was 6 months younger than me still looked like a little boy and hated how mature I looked. When I was 14 I could get into night clubs without being ID'd, if I wore the right clothes. (That was back when they didn't card everyone.) I could buy cigarettes. Yeah... questionable... but it was just how it was.

Sometimes an older person has a special connection with a younger person and it's not pedophilia because in a future relationship that older person may end up with someone their own age, or older. I've seen that. Can there be love between an adult and a minor that also involves sex? Yes, I think so. Can it just be hot sex and not about love, but getting off because of carnal attraction? Hell yeah... that's how it was for me.

So yeah... sometimes it's abuse, and sometimes it's not. It's abuse if abuse is actually happening, not because some law magically says that all underaged sex is abuse. The law should exist to protect victims, just like suicide laws exist to rescue people who end up being glad they were rescued even though a lot of people genuinely want to die. The laws exist to aid the dark side, but not all sex with minors is dark.



Most of the high profile cases we hear about involve men actually harming younger women, so I think that has something to do with it. Men in general have more aggressive, active, predatory-like sexuality. Testosterone drives this. Women who have higher testosterone behave similarly, and in the trans community we hear all about FTM folk talking about how sex became a much bigger priority when they started taking T. So males, by default, treat sex as a higher priority, which is why when they go after young women it's viewed as "they're only into one thing"... because the stereotype is that male sexuality is inherently predatory and female sexuality isn't. It's also why people think that men want sex whenever they can get it, so of course they would be happy to get banged by their female teacher.

So yes, the stereotypes are problematic, but there is also truth in stereotypes. I've known lots of underage guys in my life who "got lucky" with an older woman and nobody is running around whining about pedophilia or child abuse. They celebrated their victories. In my youth volunteer group, one of the guys who was 16 was routinely fucking the MOTHER of another guy in our group... at least twice a week, for like, 5 months. The only thing shameful about the whole ordeal was that the other guy in the group never knew, and if he found out he would've been homicidal. But nobody talked about pedophilia.

Likewise, I've known plenty of under aged girls dating college guys. They practical idolize guys in the college scene. They look at them like they're mature, have their shit together, are hotter, they have money, they have cars, they aren't anything like their immature peers. (Which is a joke really because a 21 year old in college is still mostly clueless, in my books.) I mean, do I even have to bring up how much college vs. pre-teen porn is out there? It's gross to me, but the fantasy is fueled by a reality that's happening in our world. I think we infantilize all minors and expect them to be these innocent little angels who aren't ready for anything -- and that's true of most, but not all. Not me, anyway.

Context matters.

All you are doing here, as usual, is making up excuses for pedophiles/sexual predators like your pedophile teacher who sexually abuse children and teens, and pretending that sexual abuse of children/teens by adults is not harmful when in fact it actually is very harmful to the child/teen and the adults have no excuse for it and it is sexual abuse. It is not 'love', or 'hot sex', or whatever else you claim to help you sleep at night and deny that it is sexual abuse and that these adults are sexual predators that prey upon teens/children and psychologically and sexually abuse their victims.

Guys over 18 or in early 20s dating or sleeping with children and teen girls or boys who are 14-17? WTF is wrong with them? Why can't they find other adult women or men to date or sleep with and why do they instead prey upon and sexually abuse teens/children?

 

[Jabberwocky]

@PriestTheyCalledHim are you arguing that people over say 18 or 21 cannot ever have sex with people under say 18 or 21 without it being predatory and damaging to the younger person. I would think that once you removed the legal definitions, emotional-sexual maturity exists on something of a spectrum and some younger people can be quite sexually precocious. There have been quite a few posts in this thread attesting to that.

I’m not in any way saying there should be exceptions to the law. The law is the law and child abuse is child abuse from that perspective. But can one abuse a child in a legal sense without actually damaging the child in a sexual or emotional sense. Here I really am thinking of 14 + year olds. It’s not that many years that the age of consent in many countries was 14. It still is in a few.