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25 year old women arrested for having sex with three students

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I don’t know about in other countries, but in Australia as far as I know there is no statute of limitations on sex crimes involving children. So in the example of Foreigner that would still be prosecutable. There is absolutely zero defence that a child consented. On the one hand if the child victim has grown up and feels no lingering negative effects then perhaps letting sleeping dogs lie makes sense. On the other hand there may be other victims who are more damaged.

As someone who was abused from age 7-9’ish. I’ve been regularly surprised to find through therapy just how many of my other problems in life (like relationships with people more generally and incurable substance abuse) track back to that abuse. Even though at the time I was kind of willing and certainly not forced at gunpoint (metaphorically speaking)). I think for many kids that willing participation is something they later feel most guilty about. Especially if it was a homosexual encounter and they grow up to find themselves straight or wanting to be straight. Perhaps vice versa to, when gay kids get abused by straight people?
 
Atelier3 said:
I don’t know about in other countries, but in Australia as far as I know there is no statute of limitations on sex crimes involving children. So in the example of Foreigner that would still be prosecutable. There is absolutely zero defence that a child consented. On the one hand if the child victim has grown up and feels no lingering negative effects then perhaps letting sleeping dogs lie makes sense. On the other hand there may be other victims who are more damaged.

As someone who was abused from age 7-9’ish. I’ve been regularly surprised to find through therapy just how many of my other problems in life (like relationships with people more generally and incurable substance abuse) track back to that abuse. Even though at the time I was kind of willing and certainly not forced at gunpoint (metaphorically speaking)). I think for many kids that willing participation is something they later feel most guilty about. Especially if it was a homosexual encounter and they grow up to find themselves straight or wanting to be straight. Perhaps vice versa to, when gay kids get abused by straight people?
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Yeah... like I don't object to people thinking the adult is breaking the law. Clearly the guy I was involved with broke the law. But I was also having sex with my best friend who was also 13 years old. So what do people think about that? Two 13 year olds can't technically consent under statutory laws, but we were doing it and enjoying it a lot. Is it somehow better because we were both 13, even though the sex was (to be honest) pretty bad? Like why is it automatically bad just because an adult is involved? Yes, there is a power and experience disparity for sure, but not all adults abuse that disparity. Some are VERY aware of it and wield it with consideration. Some say that sex with a minor, period, is inconsiderate -- I don't agree. It's not automatic like that, there are nuances. That's what happened in my case. I know these questions are controversial and make people uncomfortable, but seriously, it's another side of the reality we're talking about. And people don't want to talk about it because it creates a gateway to justify real abuse, which I understand. But I won't be talked down to or have my life narrative rewritten because of that.

My sexual awakening happened very early, I would call myself sexually precocious. I wanted to have sex asap and I was already trying to do things beyond my age pay grade, while some of my peers were still basically infantile in how they viewed the world. I grew up in a very normal family with zero sexual abuse or any history that can be found to explain this. I was just horny AF and early. This idea that I was raped, traumatized, etc. is just laughable. I couldn't get laid fast enough and my only limitation was having the know-how and the courage to go do it. I had zero qualms about wanting to have sex that early. This narrative that it's always harmful is just silly. There's bad sex and there's good sex, but I never had traumatic sex at that age. It was all innocent, pleasurable, and fun. Awkward at times, but not harmful. There are a lot of underaged people who have sex with older people. It's illegal, yes, but it's not always harmful. Sometimes it is very harmful. This idea that it is always harmful, always rape, and can only be bad, is just moralistic claptrap to me. Despite what some psychos in this thread think, I've discussed this at length with actual therapists and none of them think that I was harmed by it, even though it was certainly not legal or socially moral. I have real PTSD from completely different life events. I've been genuinely sexually assaulted twice, both times in my 20's, while on dates. I don't look upon my early sexual experiences as rapey whatsoever. People like PriestTheyCalledHim need to fucking check their unqualified selves.

I do understand that other young people in my position get fucked up routinely by adults. That's why I think the laws are a good thing. They should exist. But in my case there was no harm, no foul. I didn't tell my parents or anybody else because I wasn't suffering, I was enjoying it. It was a fantasy and dream come true, and I actually learned a lot by being with an older man who was kind, considerate and moved at my pace. He wasn't the last much older guy I was involved with, but at those points I was 16+. Older men are just better. I have no interest in my peers, they're boring and inexperienced. Every partner I've had is 7+ years my senior, even now.

Your question about sexual orientation... I don't really get it. Being with an older man when I was 13 didn't make me gay. I was already having sex with my best friend, a male, who was also 13, well before I got with the older man. I don't think child molestation determines orientation. In the case of actual abuse, I think it can add an extra layer of trauma if the perp is not of the young person's sexual orientation, but I don't think it can change their orientation. The research does not bear that out.

I think gay men in general are more sexually liberated than straight people, so we don't view sex with the same level of restriction, or with the same values. In the adult gay world, gay men have sexual lifestyles that seem immoral or beyond the comprehension of a lot of straight people. So I'm considering that maybe that's one extra reason why my story doesn't fully land well with some. They're thinking about creepy older guys buggering helpless little girls - which is honestly the norm in the sexual abuse world. And while older men bugger male minors too, I think there is an element of gay culture that promotes the dad/son dynamic between consenting adults, that also translates to controversial sex with minors, that nobody wants to talk about. Practically all gay men I've ever met would never be with someone under aged, but like straight people, there's a minority who would. We're not talking being with children, but maybe a 17 year old. There's lots of jail bait out there on the dating apps, it's why the police monitor them with fake accounts. Pederasty is a real thing in human history -- adult men mentoring male minors in sexual ways. Our modern society forbids it, but it still happens regularly. Mind you, I'm not into the dad/son thing whatsoever. Older guys aren't my "dads" they're my boyfriends and equals. I'm just into hot sex with hot guys, when there is a good connection. I don't even hookup. I like to know the guy first.

Can those very early experiences shape sexual perception for life? Of course they can, and they do. Does that mean very young people should be avoiding sex completely? No, I don't think so. I was ready to have sex at 13. I was begging for it. I was happy when it started happening. If I never got to be with my math teacher I would've been with someone else, probably closer to my age group. The fact that my teacher fantasy became a reality was just the cherry on top of my explorations at that age. It was hot as fuck.

What I do notice is the gender bias. When a man sleeps with a minor, the man is always a pedo. When a woman does it, it's more celebrated. And when it's a man sleeping with a male minor, it gets THE WORST backlash. They're basically evil. It's the typical homophobic shit.

I think the only thing controversial here is that it's teachers doing it. It's outside their professional, custodial role. For me, that's the main problem. If we dig deeper and find out these minors enjoyed themselves, and that maybe in 10+ years they look back on it as non-problematic, then I think this is a non-issue. But of course, we will never hear their stories because minors are protected in the media (justifiably). And arguably, all the hoopla itself is going to convince them that they were abused and this was bad (and maybe it was). So the public, their communities and their families are already shaping their narrative for them, just like some idiots in this thread are trying to do to me. And maybe, if something traumatic really happened in sex with that female teacher, the reshaping of the narrative is going to help insulate them from some psychological harm. For me, I didn't walk away from it damaged, quite the contrary. I slept with my math teacher because he was my fantasy guy, not because he was my teacher. If I had met him anywhere else, it would've been the same thing.

Mr. Krinkle said:
so uh

Foreigner is a girl right?
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Nope. Gay male.
 
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SKL said:
lmao these stories always bring the drama especially when it's an attractive young woman
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Lol, ikr?


16 yo males are horrible little things, mind you so are 13 year olds. Having a creep prey on you as a 13 yo must seem like its normal and all good, what does that mean later on in life, its okay to then prey on kids as an adult?

Whatever, its creepy to try to justify shit like this but interesting regardless.


Its not surprising at all seeing a bluelighter defend a pedophile and another vilified for showing concern.

*shrug*
 
i think it's different when you're gay tho

you're already doing something wrong to begin with

im just kidding

=D
 
Foreigner said:
Yeah... like I don't object to people thinking the adult is breaking the law. Clearly the guy I was involved with broke the law. But I was also having sex with my best friend who was also 13 years old. So what do people think about that? Two 13 year olds can't technically consent under statutory laws, but we were doing it and enjoying it a lot. Is it somehow better because we were both 13, even though the sex was (to be honest) pretty bad? Like why is it automatically bad just because an adult is involved? Yes, there is a power and experience disparity for sure, but not all adults abuse that disparity. Some are VERY aware of it and wield it with consideration. Some say that sex with a minor, period, is inconsiderate -- I don't agree. It's not automatic like that, there are nuances. That's what happened in my case. I know these questions are controversial and make people uncomfortable, but seriously, it's another side of the reality we're talking about. And people don't want to talk about it because it creates a gateway to justify real abuse, which I understand. But I won't be talked down to or have my life narrative rewritten because of that.

My sexual awakening happened very early, I would call myself sexually precocious. I wanted to have sex asap and I was already trying to do things beyond my age pay grade, while some of my peers were still basically infantile in how they viewed the world. I grew up in a very normal family with zero sexual abuse or any history that can be found to explain this. I was just horny AF and early. This idea that I was raped, traumatized, etc. is just laughable. I couldn't get laid fast enough and my only limitation was having the know-how and the courage to go do it. I had zero qualms about wanting to have sex that early. This narrative that it's always harmful is just silly. There's bad sex and there's good sex, but I never had traumatic sex at that age. It was all innocent, pleasurable, and fun. Awkward at times, but not harmful. There are a lot of underaged people who have sex with older people. It's illegal, yes, but it's not always harmful. Sometimes it is very harmful. This idea that it is always harmful, always rape, and can only be bad, is just moralistic claptrap to me. Despite what some psychos in this thread think, I've discussed this at length with actual therapists and none of them think that I was harmed by it, even though it was certainly not legal or socially moral. I have real PTSD from completely different life events. I've been genuinely sexually assaulted twice, both times in my 20's, while on dates. I don't look upon my early sexual experiences as rapey whatsoever. People like PriestTheyCalledHim need to fucking check their unqualified selves.

I do understand that other young people in my position get fucked up routinely by adults. That's why I think the laws are a good thing. They should exist. But in my case there was no harm, no foul. I didn't tell my parents or anybody else because I wasn't suffering, I was enjoying it. It was a fantasy and dream come true, and I actually learned a lot by being with an older man who was kind, considerate and moved at my pace. He wasn't the last much older guy I was involved with, but at those points I was 16+. Older men are just better. I have no interest in my peers, they're boring and inexperienced. Every partner I've had is 7+ years my senior, even now.

Your question about sexual orientation... I don't really get it. Being with an older man when I was 13 didn't make me gay. I was already having sex with my best friend, a male, who was also 13, well before I got with the older man. I don't think child molestation determines orientation. In the case of actual abuse, I think it can add an extra layer of trauma if the perp is not of the young person's sexual orientation, but I don't think it can change their orientation. The research does not bear that out.

I think gay men in general are more sexually liberated than straight people, so we don't view sex with the same level of restriction, or with the same values. In the adult gay world, gay men have sexual lifestyles that seem immoral or beyond the comprehension of a lot of straight people. So I'm considering that maybe that's one extra reason why my story doesn't fully land well with some. They're thinking about creepy older guys buggering helpless little girls - which is honestly the norm in the sexual abuse world. And while older men bugger male minors too, I think there is an element of gay culture that promotes the dad/son dynamic between consenting adults, that also translates to controversial sex with minors, that nobody wants to talk about. Practically all gay men I've ever met would never be with someone under aged, but like straight people, there's a minority who would. We're not talking being with children, but maybe a 17 year old. There's lots of jail bait out there on the dating apps, it's why the police monitor them with fake accounts. Pederasty is a real thing in human history -- adult men mentoring male minors in sexual ways. Our modern society forbids it, but it still happens regularly. Mind you, I'm not into the dad/son thing whatsoever. Older guys aren't my "dads" they're my boyfriends and equals. I'm just into hot sex with hot guys, when there is a good connection. I don't even hookup. I like to know the guy first.

Can those very early experiences shape sexual perception for life? Of course they can, and they do. Does that mean very young people should be avoiding sex completely? No, I don't think so. I was ready to have sex at 13. I was begging for it. I was happy when it started happening. If I never got to be with my math teacher I would've been with someone else, probably closer to my age group. The fact that my teacher fantasy became a reality was just the cherry on top of my explorations at that age. It was hot as fuck.

What I do notice is the gender bias. When a man sleeps with a minor, the man is always a pedo. When a woman does it, it's more celebrated. And when it's a man sleeping with a male minor, it gets THE WORST backlash. They're basically evil. It's the typical homophobic shit.

I think the only thing controversial here is that it's teachers doing it. It's outside their professional, custodial role. For me, that's the main problem. If we dig deeper and find out these minors enjoyed themselves, and that maybe in 10+ years they look back on it as non-problematic, then I think this is a non-issue. But of course, we will never hear their stories because minors are protected in the media (justifiably). And arguably, all the hoopla itself is going to convince them that they were abused and this was bad (and maybe it was). So the public, their communities and their families are already shaping their narrative for them, just like some idiots in this thread are trying to do to me. And maybe, if something traumatic really happened in sex with that female teacher, the reshaping of the narrative is going to help insulate them from some psychological harm. For me, I didn't walk away from it damaged, quite the contrary. I slept with my math teacher because he was my fantasy guy, not because he was my teacher. If I had met him anywhere else, it would've been the same thing.



Nope. Gay male.
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All I am reading here is a gay man that was sexually abused and traumatised as a kid/teen defending and making excuses a paedophiles or adults that are sexual predators towards children/teens that the sexual abuse is somehow 'consensual, not harmful, not bad, etc.' When in fact it is harmful sexual and psychological abuse no matter what the sex/gender of the adult/adults is or the sex/gender of the victims. Nobody is 'reshaping a narrative or your life experience' you were sexually abused by a predatory paedophile teacher that took advantage of you, manipulated you, and psychologically and sexually abused you when he should have never done any of this.

It does not matter how 'ready or mature' you thought you were, or that you were sexually active already with a male friend/peer-as long as it was consensual I have no issues with this- you were sexually and psychologically abused by your paedophile teacher and are now advocating for adult gay identified men to sleep with teens who are not yet adults. Please get help for being sexually and psychologically abused.

Also consider telling the police or child welfare services about your paedophile teacher as you are not his only victim.

It is not homophobic/biphobic, evil, talking down, or whatever when people dislike a paedophile or sexual abuser of teens and children who are of the same sex/gender of the paedophile like your paedophile teacher and you, or when we speak out against people advocating for paedophilia or sexual abuse of teens/kids like you are doing when you claim the sexual abuse by your paedophile teacher was 'sexy, hot, not harmful, etc.'

FYI the vast majority of gay and bisexual men are not paedophiles like your teacher is and are not paederasts going on sex apps or websites and having sex with underage teens who post fake profiles, catphish with stolen pics/fake profiles that say they are over ages 18-21. Paedophiles like your teacher and like the disgusting guys on apps looking for underage teens are not liked and we really loathe these scummy creeps, and we do not advocate for children or underage teens to have sex with any adult.

I am not sure your age, but in North America in the 1970s-very early 1990s paedophiles would show up to gay/LGB pride events and advocated for NAMBLA, and all of the BS you are arguing for. You even had "gay"-in quotes as these men are paedophiles- leaders like Harvey Milk, Allen Ginsberg, Pat Califia, and Harry Hay the radical faeire who advocated for the sexual abuse of underage teens and children and they used the same BS arguments you are using. Harvey Milk sexually abused young teens, the Randy Schilts biography documents this as well as the super old documentary.
 
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ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Yeah, when I was 13 I had a sexual/romantic relationship with a guy in his mid-twenties and I actually have fond memories of both him and the relationship. Despite the age different we had a real emotional and intellectual connection. He was always very kind to me and throughout the relationship he never tried to talk me into doing anything I wasn't comfortable with and made sure I was in control of what happened sexually, that I always initiated anything sexual and then only went along with it if he believed that it was what I really wanted. I was badly bullied at school on top of being abused by my parents - being with him was the only time I ever felt safe or okay or loved.

HOWEVER, I was also raped - in a foreign country - on my 13th birth and that was incredibly traumatic and played a large part in ruining my life.

Moral of the stories: CONSENT IS EVERYTHING
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I am sorry that you were abused by your family members and ran away and were raped, and encountered a paedophile who saw how you were in distress, alone, and who also sexually abused you.

That was not love, any sort of healthy emotional connection or 'relationship', safety. Etc. You needed help not more sexual abuse on top of the other sexual and physical/psychological abuse the paedophile inflicted upon you.

Please do go to the police and other services and tell them about the rapist and paedophile. You are not the only person who they hurt and sexually abused.
 
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Foreigner said:
What I do notice is the gender bias. When a man sleeps with a minor, the man is always a pedo. When a woman does it, it's more celebrated. And when it's a man sleeping with a male minor, it gets THE WORST backlash. They're basically evil.
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Whatever.



I doubt any kid at age 13 is as mature and ready for sexual entanglements as they think.




Adults who are willing yo be cajoled into sex with minors are all sorts of perverse , what's in it for them anyway? Weedy little under developed bodies with immature features, prepubescent genitalia, no real idea what they are even doing? Gross.

Kids have nothing to compare it to, no wonder a predator with some type of authority or charisma would seem like they rocked your world.


I wonder if any of the blokes who thought they were ready and willing to fuck an adult when they were 13, would they fuck a 13 year old as an adult?

I hope not, I really hate pedophiles.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I am sorry that you were abused by your family members and ran away and were raped, and encountered a paedophile who saw how you were in distress, alone, and who also sexually abused you.

That was not love, any sort of healthy emotional connection or 'relationship', safety. Etc. You needed help not more sexual abuse on top of the other sexual and physical/psychological abuse the paedophile inflicted upon you.

Please do go to the police and other services and tell them about the rapist and paedophile. You are not the only person who they hurt and sexually abused.
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The thing about the guy who raped me was...I was on a school trip to France at the time and I live in the UK so it would be a really complicated international thing. I also don't even know his name. Also, um....let me be careful here...I DID NOT find a broken bottle nearby afterwards in that same dark alleyway and even if I had I NEVER would have - while in shock and traumatized - utilize such as thing as a weapon...and never in a way that meant this sick individual was no longer with us.
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
Whatever.



I doubt any kid at age 13 is as mature and ready for sexual entanglements as they think.




Adults who are willing yo be cajoled into sex with minors are all sorts of perverse , what's in it for them anyway? Weedy little under developed bodies with immature features, prepubescent genitalia, no real idea what they are even doing? Gross.

Kids have nothing to compare it to, no wonder a predator with some type of authority or charisma would seem like they rocked your world.


I wonder if any of the blokes who thought they were ready and willing to fuck an adult when they were 13, would they fuck a 13 year old as an adult?

I hope not, I really hate pedophiles.
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People who are sexually abused by adults as teens/children who claim it was 'not abuse/sexual abuse", was 'consensual', that it was 'not harmful', etc. usually wind up sexually abusing teens and children or in the case of Foreigner become deeply sexually and psychologically damaged from not getting help for being sexually abused, and become or argue that paedophilia or sexual abuse of teens/children by adults is 'not bad, not harmful, hot, etc.' and become paedophiles.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A study of the cycle of abuse among child molesters - PubMed

The current study was designed to determine whether there is support for the cycle of abuse theory among child molesters. A group of 147 sex offenders on probation were used in this study. The victims of 32 of these offenders were under the age of 10, and 19 of these offenders reported a history...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
The thing about the guy who raped me was...I was on a school trip to France at the time and I live in the UK so it would be a really complicated international thing. I also don't even know his name. Also, um....let me be careful here...I DID NOT find a broken bottle nearby afterwards in that same dark alleyway and even if I had I NEVER would have - while in shock and traumatized - utilize such as thing as a weapon...and never in a way that meant this sick individual was no longer with us.
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I am glad this paedophile cannot hurt anyone else as far as you know.
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
Whatever.



I doubt any kid at age 13 is as mature and ready for sexual entanglements as they think.




Adults who are willing yo be cajoled into sex with minors are all sorts of perverse , what's in it for them anyway? Weedy little under developed bodies with immature features, prepubescent genitalia, no real idea what they are even doing? Gross.

Kids have nothing to compare it to, no wonder a predator with some type of authority or charisma would seem like they rocked your world.


I wonder if any of the blokes who thought they were ready and willing to fuck an adult when they were 13, would they fuck a 13 year old as an adult?

I hope not, I really hate pedophiles.
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Good point. I had a sexual relationship with an adult (mid-twenties) when I was 13 and although it was consensual and was also a long-term, romantic relationship where I genuine felt loved and safe and I still have good memories of it, as an adult now (24) I definitely would NEVER EVER have any interest in sex with a 13 year old. Gross. They just look like kids to me. NOT sexy.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
The thing about the guy who raped me was...I was on a school trip to France at the time and I live in the UK so it would be a really complicated international thing. I also don't even know his name. Also, um....let me be careful here...I DID NOT find a broken bottle nearby afterwards in that same dark alleyway and even if I had I NEVER would have - while in shock and traumatized - utilize such as thing as a weapon...and never in a way that meant this sick individual was no longer with us.
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It was my 13th birthday and I just...got that Jennifer Hills energy.
I don't think it makes me a bad person...certainly not as bad as someone who violently raped a child at knife-point.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Good point. I had a sexual relationship with an adult (mid-twenties) when I was 13 and although it was consensual and was also a long-term, romantic relationship where I genuine felt loved and safe and I still have good memories of it, as an adult now (24) I definitely would NEVER EVER have any interest in sex with a 13 year old. Gross. They just look like kids to me. NOT sexy.
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Well if you think about it from the adult you were happy to fuck st 13's perspective, he would be getting off on penetrating and molesting a child.




13 IS a child, they are kids, even if they think they aren't.


You at 13 might think you're grown up and are seen as adult if you are doing adult things with an adult. But no, you're just a child who is sucking his cock, being penetrated, there is nothing sensual about it.


Foreigner fucking his 13 year old friend, jeez, is that supposed to be a shining example of being far more mature and superior to his 13 year old friends?


If that is something to be proud of, what did his family and other friends think of this, surely it wouldn't be kept a secret since, he's really so mature anyway?


I doubt being sexually active and promiscuous at that age really means that the guy is really a stand out, quite the opposite in fact.

Hormones flood in and kids go nuts, that's why adults should be adult , not prey on the bloody things
 
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Well if you think about it from theadult you were happy to fuck st 13's perspective, he would be getting off on penetrating and molesting a child.

You at 13 might think you're grown up and are seen as adult if you are doing adult things with an adult. But no, you're just a child who is sucking his cock,


Foreigner fucking his 13 year old b
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I guess it just shows you how fucked up things were for me at home and at school that being with a paedophile was the safest/happiest place in my life at the time.
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
Whatever.



I doubt any kid at age 13 is as mature and ready for sexual entanglements as they think.




Adults who are willing yo be cajoled into sex with minors are all sorts of perverse , what's in it for them anyway? Weedy little under developed bodies with immature features, prepubescent genitalia, no real idea what they are even doing? Gross.

Kids have nothing to compare it to, no wonder a predator with some type of authority or charisma would seem like they rocked your world.


I wonder if any of the blokes who thought they were ready and willing to fuck an adult when they were 13, would they fuck a 13 year old as an adult?

I hope not, I really hate pedophiles.
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It's amusing to watch people scramble for cookie-cutter explanations when faced with complex nuances because their tiny pea brains can't handle a world that is actually more diverse and complicated than they realize.

It's also really amusing to watch you make up stories about my interaction with the older guy, about how it went down, how things were perceived, as though you were actually there? Wow... so, on top of having a psychology degree, you also have a time machine and I guess an invisibility cloak to watch what kind of sex was going on, and I didn't know you were there? Just what kind of freaky voyeur are you?

No, I wouldn't have sex with a 13 year old, because as I've said numerous times I'm into older men... so obviously you have a reading comprehension problem too, on top of it all.

Watching you morally righteous folk try to grasp at straws is so entertaining. I'm glad I stopped being annoyed and just started enjoying the show. What a train wreck.
 
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