Esoteric List of drugs that make you connect with entities

[Asante]

That's how I'm taught, when we die we permanently astral project out of the body and there, in the realm, our balances are restored, so a karmic rebalancing with the totality of everything, and from there on we are catapulted into our next life.

To bring it back on the topic of drugs that make you connect with entities, I have experienced this especially with 4 kinds:

Anticholinergic deliriants (Datura)
Kappa Opioid Agonists (Salvia)
Psychedelics (Shrooms etc)
NMDA Antagonists (MXE etc)

In other words: "the visionary drugs".

Dont use Datura, but it saved my life!

I had eaten a single seed of Datura metel and was much more affected than anticipated. At that time, early december 2002, I smoked 50 cigs a day. The Spirit of Datura had a very simple message for me: Either you put the cigarette out, or the cigarette will put YOU out - This Month. The other morning I had my first cig of the day and I didnt feel anything good for it at all. I was like "you know what? I PUT YOU OUT!" and put out the cigarette. To my amazement, not one craving, zero.

Three weeks later, on 4 AM on the morning of Dec 27, I had a massive heart attack. ICU, heart ward, tests, MRI, pills pills pills. I juuust made it. I told the cardiologist that 3 weeks before I used to smoke 50 cigs a day, and he told me that while medicine has strange turns and twists, there was not a doubt in his mind that I would have died if I hadnt quit a 50 cigs a day habit 3 weeks earlier.

So, entity contact on datura saved my life, literally, by warning me tobacco was gonna kill me that month if I didnt quit right away.

Please never use datura, but if you do, never more than one seed.

If you want to connect with the spirit of a plant you dont even have to ingest it, so no need to poison yourself.

 

[Ganjcat]

I am an entity

 

[Asante]

You sure are, and I think you can be summoned by an offering of heady ganj for smudging

You're not just an entity but also an alien life form, ask anyone from another planet.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Trying to convince others that it's not Chinese chemists but God that is synthing MXE is even worse, and I could not imagine anything more laughable.

if everybody is god then god did indeed synth that MXE

 

[Asante]

Because of compulsive dosing I had outsourced my MXE stash, a measure i can recommend. The one who identifies as God explained to me clearly that he translocated 45mg MXE from my outsourced stash 1 mile away, into an empty lab vial I owned, and placed both, again by translocation, on the middle of my table. It was a cigar from my own box, in that it was comprised of my own materials, but it was quite a gift.

I wonder how many would have trust issues if a spirit manifested a vial, claiming it to be your drug of choice and inviting you to use it.
You have to grow into trust like this.

I hope he will one day translocate me, either to another place on earth or an offworld trip to lets say a parallell or other habitable planet.

Another thing he did repeatedly for me, I'm obese, is to have me weigh myself several times, then lay me down on my bed and work on me, I could feel him working on me primarily my abdominal area, i'd feel my body loosen and after 15 min or so he had me weigh myself again and every time I'd weigh 5kg/10lbs less. He did this several times and, announced. Translocation too. The weight would stay off, it wasnt a 1 day fluid balance or scales anomaly.
Thats yet another thing.

I've seen too much to just write it off as "imagining things". its the knee jerk response to being confronted with something that challenges ones sense of reality.

Some good rules when working with entities:

Take them seriously - even if they are DMT elves clowning around with you.

Dont demand that they prove themselves - they generally will do the opposite and disprove themselves in a way that makes you feel like a dick, which you are if you demand justification from someone doing a you a favor.

Don't ask to be given - humans have a super bad reputation in the local spirit world for being greedy destroyers.

ALWAYS START WITH GIVING - thats the golden rule. Investing yourself in them is the best way to initiate contact. Its like feeding the ducks in the pond. At first you feed fish but before long the whole pond comes over when you arrive. Things you can give are attention, in observing them do their thing, hearing them out or answering their questions. They may also ask for little harmlessly irrational things. Often first contact is testing whether you are a square or someone worth interacting with.

Never let an Entity you are not fully sure about enter your body - some are malevolent and by letting them enter you you are giving them a degree of control over you. Possession is really a thing, it happens all the time. Decent spirits will respect it if you won't let them in. Its a very intimate thing to be doing.

If you can touch them, don't mess with their perceived bodies - Sometimes you can interact with visualized entities by touch. That holds the risk of inadvertently hurting them.

Bad Vibes have Good Reasons - this is often with humans but very much more so with entities. Even if their look gives you bad vibes, that's a sign, because unlike humans, the look of spirits are manifestations of their spirit. Trust your gut.

Its not the drug - while a drug may catalyze the experience, there's nothing about DPT's structure that includes a discussion with a disembodied entity. Its your altered brain manifesting something that has some degree of reality to it.

Treat every Entity with the same regards you would have for one of your internal organs - don't play whack-a-mole with sprites popping up out of the tabletop no matter how silly your mood.

Try make your first attempt at contacting an entity, a dialogue with your heart - it is the least externally falsifyable contact because its you within you. That one there beats 100,000x a day for your wellbeing. You can trust it! If you have interaction on an appreciable level, ask your heart to bring you in contact with suitable spirits worth knowing. Let your heart be your doorman.

 

[Ismene2]

God has full compassion for everything.

He doesnt have much compassion for that caterpiller that a wasp paralyses and lays an egg in before the pupae eats his way out through the caterpillers arsehole.

 

[December Flower]

I think it's a rather simplistic view to account contact to entities to the drugs instead of the user. The state we reach on hallucinogenics is the state we are supposed to reach through meditation, and all this while being sober. During this state some will be prone to come in contact with higher-dimensioned beings, and some will not. In my eyes this has 0 to do with the drugs.
The drugs just help make it an easier, but less complete experience.

 

[Asante]

I think it's a rather simplistic view to account contact to entities to the drugs instead of the user. The state we reach on hallucinogenics is the state we are supposed to reach through meditation, and all this while being sober. During this state some will be prone to come in contact with higher-dimensioned beings, and some will not. In my eyes this has 0 to do with the drugs.
The drugs just help make it an easier, but less complete experience.

People born blind will not see visuals high on LSD. Likewise, muggles will not experience entity contacts. There is nothing in 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine that includes conversations with dead aunts. I fully agree with you on that. You need a degree of susceptability, or giftedness, to have entity contact and similar supernatural events. If you look at how spectacularly closed many minds are to even the basic tenants of spirituality, they have shut the door, welded it closed and walled it in and discourage any notion of even entertaining the notion. most people have checked out completely of the concept of there even being entities, or even a Deity,

A Deity is a given. The universe is one thing containing all of consciousness inside of it. That is a Deity. But no, the notion that there can even be such a thing has to be fought with all force because they apparently got fondled by a nun as kids or whatever the hell their problem is Its one thing to not believe in God, its quite another to be anti-God. I see way more Anti-God people than people who just don't believe in it.

 

[Ismene2]

I think it's a rather simplistic view to account contact to entities to the drugs instead of the user. The state we reach on hallucinogenics is the state we are supposed to reach through meditation, and all this while being sober. During this state some will be prone to come in contact with higher-dimensioned beings, and some will not. In my eyes this has 0 to do with the drugs.
The drugs just help make it an easier, but less complete experience.

Hang on flower...Do you think you can reach the same place on meditation as you do on acid or ayahuasca? The drugs are a pretty big hit to your brain chemistry

 

[December Flower]

Hang on flower...Do you think you can reach the same place on meditation as you do on acid or ayahuasca?

I haven't mastered it myself, those are teachings from Osho, and he says it is possible. Looking at him it seems like he is tripping 24/7, and having dived into meditation a bit myself, I believe him.
I can definitely meditate myself into a state that is similar, but not as strong, states that trigger visual 'morphs', let me see patterns, or changes in colour, or trigger sounds. It's not as confused as it is with psychotropes, but I think if one would put more focus into meditation, they could reach states that go much further. Others probably have more knowledge on this. @TripSitterNZ Gotham City needs you

I have stopped taking psychedelic substances 9 years ago, and since then learned a little bit about brain-wave manipulation. You can trigger certain states just by focussing on specific frequencies. I haven't experienced anything remotely as strong as peyote, which was my DOC, but I have had very trippy experiences during and shortly after meditation(about 10 to 15 minutes after).

 

[Deleted member 521610]

osho is a fucking rapist bullshit motherfucking asshole. kundalini yoga can lead to non dual states though and cessation of ego

 

[Asante]

I consider Osho a transit station at best, not a destination, but that is my opinion. Osho was kind of the Alex Jones of spirituality, good to wake you up but once awoken and thinking independently you gravitate away from him exactly because you are thinking independently and scrutinze him also.

Its known from hypnosis that trippers can be made to trip by the power of suggestion. They however have a frame of reference. Non-trippers do not know about paisley, loops and time dilation.

I have no doubt that those who have tripped can be made to revert to the tripping mindstate, but that one who never tripped, who like those born blind have no frame of reference, cannot.

 

[December Flower]

kundalini yoga can lead to non dual states though and cessation of ego

Pretty much what I wanted to say.
Not a fan of Osho, but I absolutely believe him about meditation.

I consider Osho a transit station at best, not a destination, but that is my opinion. Osho was kind of the Alex Jones of spirituality, good to wake you up but once awoken and thinking independently you gravitate away from him exactly because you are thinking independently and scrutinze him also.

Its known from hypnosis that trippers can be made to trip by the power of suggestion. They however have a frame of reference. Non-trippers do not know about paisley, loops and time dilation.

I have no doubt that those who have tripped can be made to revert to the tripping mindstate, but that one who never tripped, who like those born blind have no frame of reference, cannot.

I believe you about that.
I think you sort of have to have been to this world, before you can enter it again.
Can't get in without a passphrase, only way to get the passphrase is inside.

 

[deficiT]

I'm not sure if I've experienced what you could call entity contact, but definitely the thing that's brought me closest was intravenous 4acodmt. It was a truly alien and beautiful experience, in which I felt the universe itself breathe and pulsate all around me. It wasn't really a visual thing, I just felt a presence.

 

[Asante]

I'm not sure if I've experienced what you could call entity contact, but definitely the thing that's brought me closest was intravenous 4acodmt. It was a truly alien and beautiful experience, in which I felt the universe itself breathe and pulsate all around me. It wasn't really a visual thing, I just felt a presence.

I don't want to color your experience with mine, but; To me the universe is a living Being, a Consciousness that unites all consciousnesses of all its part. Might it be that, which you experienced? The Universe as One Being?

I never IV'd anything, but i did have a knack of taking 10-40 full rectal doses of MXE back to back across 20-36 hour stretches. When I was furthest out, that was one of the experiences and it was literally Godawesome.

At that point I'd be vividly hallucinating synesthetically out of all senses and every center of my brain was in constant simultaneous synesthesia. At that point, that cant be reached just by a high dose but only by sustaining a high dose over at least a dozen hours, I was wide open to the Universe in ways that cant be expressed, both waking and dreaming, both faculties wide open, and attuned like that, I'd experience the Living Universe particularly vividly.

 

[deficiT]

I don't want to color your experience with mine, but; To me the universe is a living Being, a Consciousness that unites all consciousnesses of all its part. Might it be that, which you experienced? The Universe as One Being?

I never IV'd anything, but i did have a knack of taking 10-40 full rectal doses of MXE back to back across 20-36 hour stretches. When I was furthest out, that was one of the experiences and it was literally Godawesome.

At that point I'd be vividly hallucinating synesthetically out of all senses and every center of my brain was in constant simultaneous synesthesia. At that point, that cant be reached just by a high dose but only by sustaining a high dose over at least a dozen hours, I was wide open to the Universe in ways that cant be expressed, both waking and dreaming, both faculties wide open, and attuned like that, I'd experience the Living Universe particularly vividly.

Absolutely. It's indescribable by mere human words. I was not very spiritual at the time so probably didn't process fully. I just felt an endless wave of energy sending waves through everything in the world.

I had some incredible times with mxe too

 

[exxplorer]

Hi, really interesting threat and posts of you all.
I will make it easy, won't go much into details, but for me the substances giving you the sense of "someone"/a consciousness are as such:
First Salvia d., it is very common, and it can be really deep. Be prepared.
At the same stage I would place DMT.
5-meo-DMT also gave me some "contacts", but I have a weird body high. Every-one is different, and react differently.

Going down in the list, psilocybin or LSD can also induce a contact, but it is less likely to happen, and mostly if it happens it is on a high dose.

Also to note, once while on a high dose AL-LAD (it's still is one of my favourites ), don't really know the dosage, it was with a friend, who also had a dropper (we did it together), it was measured to have 100-120 ug per drop, we both had two 50ml vials.
One night, we just abused, thinking "everything is nice, go one!", putting AL-LAD in every drinks we took, the table was full of the liquid, just to say...we where above 1.5 mg for sure, maybe near 2 mg (20 drops seems not unreal we where just a bit too stupid that night), it was a hard experience for some moments (we were used to psychedelics, and enjoyed them a lot, so it was intense but also really pleasurable sometimes), and we both saw the same kind of "entities", so don't really know what to thing about what happened that night, but we were talking to kind of "spiritual entities", telling us not to reach the no-return place, that we had understood what was meaningful and just to let it go.
The strange thing is that we both saw the same kind of entities, telling us right the same thing, without speaking, you just know it.
Maybe a small visit in the madness, possible

2C-I-Nbome can produce it, I also had one time this feeling while on a pretty high dose 25C-NBOH (I wouldn't recommend).

This is for psychedelics (I could have missed one or the other, these are the substances I'm thinking about right now).
On another stage there are deliriants.
Note: Salvia d. is somewhere between a deliriant and a psychedelic in my point of view.

One time on a K-hole, didn't last long and can't really remember our conversation..

But you have DPH (and related), Scopolamine, I had a similar effect than (see)-> *.
Nothing really interesting, you are pretty sure to see people, this is right, it's almost Always the case, but there is no deepness, nothing, you are just in schizophrenia for some hours.. Also can be really weird the first times, once you know how it goes, it is ok, but I can't see why taking this anymore, but surely you will talk to friends or others who aren't there, giving them a drink, passing a joint you never rolled, but you are convinced you have...seeing animals, dark bugs sometimes, it's just a real mindfuck for nothing.

*-> While I was on a pretty high dosage Quetiapine, I decided to cold turkey, and had hallucinations, a feeling of oppression after some time, seeing and feeling "dark entities", it was pretty awful, never again (even if the visuals where nice at the beginning hahaha).
Don't really know what happened, maybe another visit in the madness ?

All good.

To conclude, Salvia d. or DMT, you are on a good choice, these are to two I would suggest to anyone wanting these kind of experience and learn something from it.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

Datura.

 

[Cheechchoong]

Hi, really interesting threat and posts of you all.
I will make it easy, won't go much into details, but for me the substances giving you the sense of "someone"/a consciousness are as such:
First Salvia d., it is very common, and it can be really deep. Be prepared.
At the same stage I would place DMT.
5-meo-DMT also gave me some "contacts", but I have a weird body high. Every-one is different, and react differently.

Going down in the list, psilocybin or LSD can also induce a contact, but it is less likely to happen, and mostly if it happens it is on a high dose.

Also to note, once while on a high dose AL-LAD (it's still is one of my favourites ), don't really know the dosage, it was with a friend, who also had a dropper (we did it together), it was measured to have 100-120 ug per drop, we both had two 50ml vials.
One night, we just abused, thinking "everything is nice, go one!", putting AL-LAD in every drinks we took, the table was full of the liquid, just to say...we where above 1.5 mg for sure, maybe near 2 mg (20 drops seems not unreal we where just a bit too stupid that night), it was a hard experience for some moments (we were used to psychedelics, and enjoyed them a lot, so it was intense but also really pleasurable sometimes), and we both saw the same kind of "entities", so don't really know what to thing about what happened that night, but we were talking to kind of "spiritual entities", telling us not to reach the no-return place, that we had understood what was meaningful and just to let it go.
The strange thing is that we both saw the same kind of entities, telling us right the same thing, without speaking, you just know it.
Maybe a small visit in the madness, possible

2C-I-Nbome can produce it, I also had one time this feeling while on a pretty high dose 25C-NBOH (I wouldn't recommend).

This is for psychedelics (I could have missed one or the other, these are the substances I'm thinking about right now).
On another stage there are deliriants.
Note: Salvia d. is somewhere between a deliriant and a psychedelic in my point of view.

One time on a K-hole, didn't last long and can't really remember our conversation..

But you have DPH (and related), Scopolamine, I had a similar effect than (see)-> *.
Nothing really interesting, you are pretty sure to see people, this is right, it's almost Always the case, but there is no deepness, nothing, you are just in schizophrenia for some hours.. Also can be really weird the first times, once you know how it goes, it is ok, but I can't see why taking this anymore, but surely you will talk to friends or others who aren't there, giving them a drink, passing a joint you never rolled, but you are convinced you have...seeing animals, dark bugs sometimes, it's just a real mindfuck for nothing.

*-> While I was on a pretty high dosage Quetiapine, I decided to cold turkey, and had hallucinations, a feeling of oppression after some time, seeing and feeling "dark entities", it was pretty awful, never again (even if the visuals where nice at the beginning hahaha).
Don't really know what happened, maybe another visit in the madness ?

All good.

To conclude, Salvia d. or DMT, you are on a good choice, these are to two I would suggest to anyone wanting these kind of experience and learn something from it.

Sally-D sure is the entity, showed me the creation of the cosmos in beautiful explosions, as I have been stretched for centuries, having my skin ripped off and with a sense of humor Sally-D's only . DMT i don't know, always need to take a little bit of Lucy , or something is missing . I think Sally-D made me strong psychologically as DMT touches feelings and sensations that I didn't even think existed

 

[Ismene2]

I'm not sure if I've experienced what you could call entity contact, but definitely the thing that's brought me closest was intravenous 4acodmt. It was a truly alien and beautiful experience, in which I felt the universe itself breathe and pulsate all around me. It wasn't really a visual thing, I just felt a presence.

How would you safely prepare some dodgy off white powder into an injection? Is it any different to orally taking it?