Police Brutality Thread

[Bella Figura]

Do you have any empathy at all for the dead man?

 

[aemetha]

You know George Floyd was a career criminal, right? He stole lots of cars, wrecked them, sold guns, and broke in a random stranger's home, robbed her, beat her up, threatened to kill her and her fetus/child, and this is not normal behavior, he was never going to change, become 'reformed', had zero empathy for anyone at all he had hurt, and prisons and jails are full of people just like him

Yeah, maybe you should just finish reading his biography. The bit after he was released from prison.

 

[alasdairm]

The claim that drugs killed George Floyd relies on a racist trope

In the Derek Chauvin trial, the defense’s attempt to blame George Floyd’s death on drug use relies on retrograde and racist myths.

alasdair

 

[MsDiz]

Yeah, maybe you should just finish reading his biography. The bit after he was released from prison.

He’s not worth your time. I promise you. Ignoring his posts will serve you much better.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I’d have loved for Chauvin to testify. His personality disorder would have been clearer to see. I’d have loved to watched his reactions to questions. His comfort levels. He’d have given it all away. His total disregard for any other living being.

Whatever university you studied at sure is total shite for psychology. But we have had other mods or former mods into pretending and LARPing here, one ex moderator pretended to be a Canadian cop, special forces soldier, physicist, etc. but he was just pretending, lying, and in meth psychosis and having delusions.

Duante robbed a woman he was friends with and choked her and threatened to shoot her and put a gun to her head.

Floyd did the same. These were not innocent victims, moral people, etc. If they saw you walking alone they would rob you as well, you might get raped or killed. People like Duante and Floyd will do whatever they can to get money for drugs, and do not care who they hurt or kill. The world is better off without violent people like this. George Floyd was a lost cause as was Duante.

 

[dalpat077]

He sounded like an idiot and his testimony lived up to that level tbh.



The level of fentanyl in this case means nothing. He wasn’t ODing from fent, the meth has no bearing on anything either. It was such a small amount. When he was first seen against the wall and handcuffed he was chatting, spelling both his first and last name. There was zero evidence those drugs were having any effect. His breathing rate was something like 22bpm which is normal.

When someone is short on oxygen it very much depends on the situation (in regards to breathing rate). In his situation he couldn’t increase his breathing rate because he had something heavy on his back/neck. His killer. He did have hypoxic seizures which could be seen and which were noted by both pathologists. That was one sign he was low on oxygen. His breathing rate slowed, another sign of his low oxygen, his voice became thicker and heavier, yet another sign. It was CLEAR to bypassers even, that he was in danger of dying. His death was clearly and obviously due to insufficient oxygen caused by Chauvin’s extended hold on Floyd’s neck. Had he stopped his excessive force when his partner told him that Floyd had passed out then maybe Floyd would still be alive.

People keep mentioning Floyd’s health like it matters. It doesn’t. It wouldn’t have mattered if the person under Chauvin’s excessive force had end stage cancer. The cause of death is suffocation, insufficient oxygen.


A fake $20... Do you realise how desperately sad this all is. It’s over something so ridiculous. Something that did not warrant the treatment he got.

I don’t care what kind of person Floyd was. Why does it matter? Really like? At the end of the day it wasn’t Chauvin’s place to punish Floyd for anything. It was his place to bring him in to custody. That is it. He used excessive force for a crime that wasn’t even violent. On a guy who was compliant after putting him into that hold and having 3 other officers beside him for support. Chauvin wasn’t under pressure from anyone. The crowd were standing back although they were expressing concern. Like any normal person would when they see someone being suffocated.

I honestly, truly, can not understand how anyone can watch the footage of what happened George Floyd and not realise that the officer was at fault.

You’ve already said @dalpat077 that you think he didn’t mean to kill him. That still means you believe he killed him, which he did. That’s manslaughter, at the very least. He deserves to be punished.

How can anyone watch from the moment floyd loses consciousness, the officer noting that to Chauvin, and him still putting pressure on Floyds neck for several more minutes and believe he wasn’t unfairly treated??? How??

Chauvin knew he had passed out but he kept up the pressure right until an EMT had to tell him enough. He has a personality disorder for sure. He is a killer. End of.


If you were in America you’d be a ok. They let a white guy who had killed several people walk on whilst holding up his weapons.

They suffocated a black guy for giving a fake $20 note and a female officer killed another black guy who was on the phone to his mummy.

I was going to deal with your shit in the morning. But oh well.

I don’t understand how you cannot understand that these individuals ended up in situations where force was applied as a result of them failing to comply and for resisting arrest or trying to flee the scene. They did not get manhandled or shot because of the actual reasons for them ending up in the situation in the first place. Mr. Floyd didn’t get manhandled for the $20 fake bill. The other one didn’t shot because he was on the phone to mommy.

And frankly and based on the above: you’re probably quite right in the sense that it doesn’t matter who they are or what their past or even what their state of health is. If the Pope himself pulled the same shit and in the same manner then officers would have reacted the same (The Pope obviously a bad example but I’m sure my point is clear).

And don’t twist my words for effect. I do not think that Officer Chauvin expected George Floyd to expire nor was desirous of such outcome. Is that a better explanation or choice of words i.e. as opposed to saying that I don’t think he meant to kill him and this then being construed as my agreeing that Officer Chauvin killed Mr. Floyd? Hope so.

I will tell you something else for fun and that I noticed on the video footage. Officer Chauvin, it appeared to me, after Mr. Floyd had been put on the stretcher, either didn’t process what had happened or even realise what had happened and was probably still thinking that Mr. Floyd would come around with emergency treatment. That is the impression I got from looking at his expression and demeanour after Mr. Floyd had been loaded onto the stretcher. But fine. That’s just my impression.

As for the medical evidence. You can write a whole paper on this and explain it in minute detail. But given the many variables at play: the actual and specific cause of death I would be unsure of in my own mind and personally. Too much of a shit show for me. Be easier for me if they’d somehow let him slip out of their clutches, get into a car, make a run for it, and then die in a hail of bullets. That I can get my head around without doubt. And, well, I’d be singing the same tune then anyway. So from that perspective it doesn’t matter match anyway I suppose.

 

[alasdairm]

These were not innocent victims, moral people, etc.

i've said it before and i'll say it again, it's the difficult cases that make these ideas worth anything at all.

it's like free speech. it's the easiest thing in the world to believe in free speech when somebody's saying a bunch of stuff you believe in. the monologue at the end of the american president says it far better than i can:

"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

so it is with criminals. it's easy to talk about due process and innocence-until-proven-guilty when somebody's stolen a pack of smokes. it only becomes truly meaningful when you extend the same rights to the guy who assaults and brutally murders children. or carries out a terrorist act against the very country which extends him due process.

but you have made your point. floyd deserved to die - without the right to due process - at the hands of a cop who played the part of judge, jury and executioner.

alasdair

 

[Bella Figura]

Duante

Duante

Duante.

 

[dalpat077]

We're talking about "in the legal sense", though...that's what this whole conversation is about, re: Chauvin's trial.

Fair enough. I, for better or for worse, have not been laser focused on the ins and outs of the actual trial but rather a bigger picture and including other incidents. So strictly speaking I’ve been off topic in most of my posts. I accept that.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Do you have any empathy at all for the dead man?

Yes, but it is difficult as he was super violent, out of control, not a good person, and he hurt a,lot of people, including his family who are hamming it up in histrionics for the media circus, jury, celebrities, while off camera they are happy they now have a windfall of $ they are spending like mad.

He would have died in a crackhouse/shooting gallery or what kids call a trap house today, or been dumped and left to die in some back alley by his dealers who did not want to take him to a hospital, call EMS, etc. This sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. If you use dope, pills, coke, hard drugs many of them are laced with fent so if you must use them do it around people who will help you so you do not overdose and die from fent and meth like George did.

 

[MsDiz]

As for the medical evidence. You can write a whole paper on this and explain it in minute detail. But given the many variables at play: the actual and specific cause of death I would be unsure of in my own mind and personally. Too much of a shit show for me. Be easier for me if they’d somehow let him slip out of their clutches, get into a car, make a run for it, and then die in a hail of bullets. That I can get my head around without doubt. And, well, I’d be singing the same tune then anyway. So from that perspective it doesn’t matter match anyway I suppose.

This says everything for me.

It wouldn’t matter if I explained it in perfect detail. You’d never accept it because you’re highly biased to believe the police are always right and the detainee is always wrong.

 

[dalpat077]

Fucking hell. You and this they were in the wrong therefore they should expect death shite.

Why do the police exist? If there are no criminals then we wouldn’t need police would we? One exists due to the other.

You can go in circles with that if you go deep enough into it too. It still won’t matter in relation to this trial. Fucking hell.

Chauvin suffocated his detainee. He was in the wrong.

Fucking hell. You are quite right and I have just addressed this. You all want to be focused on this particular trial and it’s every little nuance. Fair enough. Have chastised myself and I get it. Thank fuck.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I was going to deal with your shit in the morning. But oh well.

I don’t understand how you cannot understand that these individuals ended up in situations where force was applied as a result of them failing to comply and for resisting arrest or trying to flee the scene. They did not get manhandled or shot because of the actual reasons for them ending up in the situation in the first place. Mr. Floyd didn’t get manhandled for the $20 fake bill. The other one didn’t shot because he was on the phone to mommy.

And frankly and based on the above: you’re probably quite right in the sense that it doesn’t matter who they are or what their past or even what their state of health is. If the Pope himself pulled the same shit and in the same manner then officers would have reacted the same (The Pope obviously a bad example but I’m sure my point is clear).

And don’t twist my words for effect. I do not think that Officer Chauvin expected George Floyd to expire nor was desirous of such outcome. Is that a better explanation or choice of words i.e. as opposed to saying that I don’t think he meant to kill him and this then being construed as my agreeing that Officer Chauvin killed Mr. Floyd? Hope so.

I will tell you something else for fun and that I noticed on the video footage. Officer Chauvin, it appeared to me, after Mr. Floyd had been put on the stretcher, either didn’t process what had happened or even realise what had happened and was probably still thinking that Mr. Floyd would come around with emergency treatment. That is the impression I got from looking at his expression and demeanour after Mr. Floyd had been loaded onto the stretcher. But fine. That’s just my impression.

As for the medical evidence. You can write a whole paper on this and explain it in minute detail. But given the many variables at play: the actual and specific cause of death I would be unsure of in my own mind and personally. Too much of a shit show for me. Be easier for me if they’d somehow let him slip out of their clutches, get into a car, make a run for it, and then die in a hail of bullets. That I can get my head around without doubt. And, well, I’d be singing the same tune then anyway. So from that perspective it doesn’t matter match anyway I suppose.

Exactly. Floyd and Wright were violent criminals and the whole woke racist narrative and '...doing (insert activity) whilst black..." Is not what really happened at all.

 

[Bella Figura]

Yes

You're really not showing it man :D

 

[✿Dai₷y✿]

So the new argument is “I grabbed the wrong weapon”? What kind of training are these people getting?

Exactly.

The Royal Family is a disgusting institution. As an Australian, I hate the fact that I have to look at the "Queen" everytime I use my currency. Pretty much nobody in Australia likes the Queen. When Meghan Markle said that shit on Oprah, I doubted her integrity. She seems like a manipulator. But, at the same time, the alleged Queen is probably racist as fuck.

Fuck her.

What's this got to do with anything?


Im wondering if police are intimidated by large well built black men as its likely police are making mistakes that they shouldn't because they are scared and not up to the job.

Even black well built police.

I dunno, bunch of clueless idiots tbh.

 

[dalpat077]

This says everything for me.

It wouldn’t matter if I explained it in perfect detail. You’d never accept it because you’re highly biased to believe the police are always right and the detainee is always wrong.

I seriously am laughing at this almost out aloud and from sheer frustration. I am sure you know how it feels too.

I think the problem has been solved though above.

You’re looking at the trial itself and under a microscope. On topic. I’m looking out of the window at the flames. Off topic.

Now that was easy and sorted.

 

[MsDiz]

I seriously am laughing at this almost out aloud and from sheer frustration. I am sure you know how it feels too.

I think the problem has been solved though above.

You’re looking at the trial itself and under a microscope. On topic. I’m looking out of the window at the flames. Off topic.

Now that was easy and sorted.

Glad you’ve had a good laugh before bed. Bedtime for me too. Goodnight, ya tit!

 

[birdup.snaildown]

What's this got to do with anything?

Nothing. I just can't resist any and every opportunity to annoy @dalpat077.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

You're really not showing it man :D

Well Floyd and Wright hurt a lot of people, destroyed lives, and are super violent and not 'super predators' like Hillary Clinton would call them but are violent opportunists.

People here are not having empathy or looking from the perspective of the completely innocent people Floyd and Wright robbed, assaulted, wanted to kill, etc.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Hence me saying I’d love to have watched him testifying. He didn’t, because it would have been too obvious.

Should I diagnose him? Of course not. It’s not ethical at all. But he wasn’t ethical either in his behaviour. He didn’t give Floyd a chance to go through the justice system. He doled out the punishment he felt necessary. It was death.

You seriously believe Floyd and Wright cared about morals, ethics, Constitutional rights, etc.? They reacted with rage at having to take responsibility for robbing women, beating women up, and threatening to kill women, and were angry they were caught stealing.

Your entire claim of "Floyd was just trying to pay with counterfeit bills, and Wright was on the phone with his mum...' is not based on facts, evidence, or what really happened at all, and it is not the result of racism by police, a 'system', country, etc. But you have a black and white world view.