Police Brutality Thread

[MsDiz]

I’d have loved for Chauvin to testify. His personality disorder would have been clearer to see. I’d have loved to watched his reactions to questions. His comfort levels. He’d have given it all away. His total disregard for any other living being.

 

[aemetha]

His personality disorder would have been clearer to see.

His what now? He hasn't been diagnosed with a personality disorder. He likely could not be because he wouldn't meet the very high bar of demonstrating clinically significant distress or impairment. The only suggestion that he has a personality disorder has come from armchair psychological assessor's who are pushing their pre-employment screening services. Please don't mistake the criminology use of the terms psychopathy and sociopathy for a formal diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder. Sometimes people just behave badly, or lack empathy. That doesn't rise to the level of a psychiatric disorder. When you conflate those types of actions from people in the news with people diagnosed with disorders you actually stigmatize people that are typically, actively seeking or in treatment for real psychological problems.

Also worth considering: Any psychiatrist or psychologist who publicly calls someone they have not assessed in-person disordered has already violated the ethical requirements of the profession and the accepted standards of psychological assessment and diagnosis for the profession. In other words, by publicly commenting in this way they invalidate their own authority on the subject.

 

[MsDiz]

His what now? He hasn't been diagnosed with a personality disorder. He likely could not be because he wouldn't meet the very high bar of demonstrating clinically significant distress or impairment. The only suggestion that he has a personality disorder has come from armchair psychological assessor's who are pushing their pre-employment screening services. Please don't mistake the criminology use of the terms psychopathy and sociopathy for a formal diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder. Sometimes people just behave badly, or lack empathy. That doesn't rise to the level of a psychiatric disorder. When you conflate those types of actions from people in the news with people diagnosed with disorders you actually stigmatize people that are typically, actively seeking or in treatment for real psychological problems.

Also worth considering: Any psychiatrist or psychologist who publicly calls someone they have not assessed in-person disordered has already violated the ethical requirements of the profession and the accepted standards of psychological assessment and diagnosis for the profession. In other words, by publicly commenting in this way they invalidate their own authority on the subject.

Hence me saying I’d love to have watched him testifying. He didn’t, because it would have been too obvious.

Should I diagnose him? Of course not. It’s not ethical at all. But he wasn’t ethical either in his behaviour. He didn’t give Floyd a chance to go through the justice system. He doled out the punishment he felt necessary. It was death.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

@PriestTheyCalledHim
It’s obvious from your posts that you are synthesizing hearsay, conspiracy theories, and rumors to suit your racist and slanted narrative. You actually used the Daily Mail as a source and dare to question where other people get their news? It’s laughable.
And I pretty much automatically ignore people who use nicknames like “Fentanyl Floyd”, but as I am a mod and this is a harm reduction site for substance users, I am compelled to read and comment.
In your posts, you show both ignorance and insensitivity about drug use and towards drug users, which is ironic to say the least. While a lack of knowledge isn’t against any rules, such ignorance should be pointed out, as it has, and exposed for what it is, which is anathema to the core mission of BL.
And just because you use the vague “they” when referring to black people, somewhat oblique terms like “ghetto lottery”, and attribute the decline of a city to a change from a white European to a black African population all without directly stating that you think black people are inferior, it’s clear that you do. And that, my dear, is racism plain and simple.
And it’s just incomprehensible that you would compare consensual sex play to overzealous, violent restraint that resulted in a death.
It’s not that difficult to see where you are coming from, and I think it’s a pretty ugly place.

s obvious from your posts that you are synthesizing hearsay, conspiracy theories, and rumors to suit your racist and slanted narrative. You actually used the Daily Mail as a source and dare to question where other people get their news? It’s laughable.
And I pretty much automatically ignore people who use nicknames like “Fentanyl Floyd”, but as I am a mod and this is a harm reduction site for substance users, I am compelled to read and comment.
In your posts, you show both ignorance and insensitivity about drug use and towards drug users, which is ironic to say the least. While a lack of knowledge isn’t against any rules, such ignorance should be pointed out, as it has, and exposed for what it is, which is anathema to the core mission of BL.
And just because you use the vague “they” when referring to black people, somewhat oblique terms like “ghetto lottery”, and attribute the decline of a city to a change from a white European to a black African population all without directly stating that you think black people are inferior, it’s clear that you do. And that, my dear, is racism plain and simple.
And it’s just incomprehensible that you would compare consensual sex play to overzealous, violent restraint that resulted in a death.
It’s not that difficult to see where you are coming from, and I think it’s a pretty ugly place.
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Oh sweetie, bless your heart!

It is not 'racist' to discuss race or talk about events or things relating to race, crime/murder rate and demographics in a city, state, country, etc. Or if the events actually did indeed happen. Or to discuss about how people of any race/ethnicity who are in or from generational poverty that suddenly come into any large amount of money, do not know the first thing about saving, budgeting, and conservation of this money and always spend it all at an insane super fast rate.

A tragic connection: George Floyd's girlfriend once taught Daunte Wright in high school

George Floyd and Daunte Wright died after confrontations with police, just miles apart, one year apart. And it was revealed that the two fathers had a connection beyond their deaths.

www.cbsnews.com

Rise of Somali Gangs Plagues Minneapolis

7 Somali Men Killed over 10-month Period, and Cops Believe All were Killed by Fellow Somalis

www.cbsnews.com

Minneapolis' 'Little Mogadishu' Sees 56 Percent Increase in Violent Crimes Caused by Somali Gangs - Tennessee Star

Minneapolis' 'Little Mogadishu' Sees 56 Percent Increase in Violent Crimes Caused by Somali Gangs

tennesseestar.com

When I was writing about consensual bondage/BDSM/power exchange, it was to explain that it is extremely possible for someone who is not on fentanyl or other opiates and going to die from an overdose due to combining them with methamphetamine, the way Floyd died, to be in the exact same position Floyd was in the 'hogtied' position, and even if heavy breath control and pressure are applied to the shoulders, back, or even neck the person in bondage does not die. Of course slave/submissive types work their way up to this. Rome was not built in a day.

The school Floyd's 'girlfriend' supposedly taught in or was a dean at must be of extremely low education quality if they hired a ho and junkie like her. Notice how she now claims Dauante 'needed help' but did absolutely nothing to actually really help him?

That's funny, you know nothing about me. My best friend who I have known for over 40+ years is black. He, like most black people, and people of all races/ethnicities really dislikes any thug/criminal types, do nothing neoleftist racist politicians, and leftist extremists and racist black supremacist groups like the nation of Islam, black Hebrew Israelites, Afrocentrist revisionist history, etc.-Malcolm X called the racist leftist politicians out in the 1960s the whole 'the political parties switch!' is a myth, and Malcolm X also called out black racist Afrocentrist hate groups/cults out as the charlatans they are.

My friend, as well as other black and non-European friends in the USA really hate how the media and leftist politicians celebrate criminal or thug 'culture' amongst non-European-Americans with a fake racist image, or how racist hate groups like blm and other black activist groups riot, loot, and destroy cities and do not care about the black owned businesses, homes, and black lives they destroy. He also dislikes how black on black murder, crime, and racism towards other blacks-they call each other the n-word, c-word, k-word etc. or claim people who are mixed or who are black highly educated, and wealthy are 'not really black', are all a problem and how black activists and do nothing racist leftist politicians ignore this, and expect black people en masse to vote for them when they deliver nothing that they promise about helping black people. There is also a major problem with homophobia, biphobia, anti-LGBT hate amongst blacks both in North America and other countries, especially the Carribean and in most Sub-Saharan African countries-my friend is gay/homosexual and has traveled the world. The majority of blacks both in the USA and elsewhere do not want to live in or near a neighborhood, town, section of a city, etc. that is a slum and has a super high crime/murder rate.

Yes we have discussed these things. If you are actually really friends with any black people you will know what I wrote is all true. Black people are just like everyone else, and nobody of any race or ethnicity, social class, etc. is better than anyone else.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

His what now? He hasn't been diagnosed with a personality disorder. He likely could not be because he wouldn't meet the very high bar of demonstrating clinically significant distress or impairment. The only suggestion that he has a personality disorder has come from armchair psychological assessor's who are pushing their pre-employment screening services. Please don't mistake the criminology use of the terms psychopathy and sociopathy for a formal diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder. Sometimes people just behave badly, or lack empathy. That doesn't rise to the level of a psychiatric disorder. When you conflate those types of actions from people in the news with people diagnosed with disorders you actually stigmatize people that are typically, actively seeking or in treatment for real psychological problems.

Also worth considering: Any psychiatrist or psychologist who publicly calls someone they have not assessed in-person disordered has already violated the ethical requirements of the profession and the accepted standards of psychological assessment and diagnosis for the profession. In other words, by publicly commenting in this way they invalidate their own authority on the subject.

Exactly.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Well. You're right here too. I guess I'm jumping the gun and already assuming outcomes. In the case of the two deceased individuals though: their very actions precluded them from receiving due process. I'm sorry but I cannot be swayed on this. I don't know if you have wasted the amount of time that I have on this or if you will or if you need to. But please believe me when I say that there are other multiple examples, as per body cam footage, where the very same outcome was the result and all had one common denominator at least i.e. let's call it failure to comply (in one form or another). People cannot, surely, be encouraged to simply ignore law enforcement or fail to comply at their will. Otherwise there's little to no point in even having a police force in the first place.

So...not immediately obeying the demands of LEO precludes someone from a trial or their constitutional rights?

 

[aemetha]

Should I diagnose him? Of course not. It’s not ethical at all. But he wasn’t ethical either in his behaviour. He didn’t give Floyd a chance to go through the justice system. He doled out the punishment he felt necessary. It was death.

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not defending Chauvin, I am defending people diagnosed with personality disorders who are already among the most stigmatized people in our society and don't deserve Derek Chauvin's behaviour inappropriately associated with them. I agree with you that Chauvin's actions were unethical and criminal from what I have seen of the trial.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Hence me saying I’d love to have watched him testifying. He didn’t, because it would have been too obvious.

Should I diagnose him? Of course not. It’s not ethical at all. But he wasn’t ethical either in his behaviour. He didn’t give Floyd a chance to go through the justice system. He doled out the punishment he felt necessary. It was death.

No Miss Thing, Chauvin the French cop did not testify as he was on trial.

Any lawyer, or legal solicitor worth his or her salt or €£$ will tell a client never to testify when they are on trial, and to exercise your Constitutional right if you are in the USA. This is basic common knowledge.

Would you give the same amateur armchair diagnosis if George Floyd had killed Chauvin, or any or all of the police present that day? Somehow I doubt it.

Since you like to pretend to be a psychologist/therapist/shrink, why not ask the pregnant woman who George Floyd robbed, assaulted, and held a gun to her head which completely traumatic and life changing mental health issues she now has? Ask her why she does not trust strangers, is always on edge, wakes up crying and screaming nightly, and goes into a panic when a stranger knocks at her door or when a male maintenance/builder/contractor goes to her home. 8)

You, and others seem confused about law enforcement, and the legal/criminal justice system. If a person of any race or ethnicity is a known violent criminal as both George and Duante were, or they are being served a warrant, resists arrest-this includes fleeing the scene and not co-operating with police or struggling and going crazy like George did from the drugs, or they pull a Michael Brown and attack the officer or have a weapon like that rapist Jacob Blake did, due process, legal proceedings, Constitutional rights, etc. are all a moot point as the police will protect themselves and any other civilians from being killed or hurt by the violent criminal, or suspect.

You do know that George, Duante, Mike Brown, Breonna, Freddie Grey, Ahumad, Trayvon, etc. were violent criminals, known to police, had warrants for ther arrest, or were suspects in crimes, had illegal weapons, or had been arrested before, and it was not the way social media or televised media claims that they were just going about their normal daily life or routine and then those bad horrible police swarmed in and attacked them, right? The whole racial injustice lie or ruse goes away if you actually do research and investigate what really happened, these people's criminal backgrounds, what they were doing, how they looked-if you look like or are dressed like a thug or acting or dressed differently you will stand out and draw unwanted attention, and the warrants/arrests were known about as this will happen if someone does not show up to court, a parole officer, is a suspect in a major crime-Breonna Taylor sold illegal guns and was involved in a murder or covering up of the murder of a rival drug dealer, etc.

Do you honestly believe thugs, criminals, etc. care about 'morals', 'ethics', 'rights', how they hurt people, etc.? They don't. Prisons, and mental asylums are full of people like this.

 

[MsDiz]

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not defending Chauvin, I am defending people diagnosed with personality disorders who are already among the most stigmatized people in our society and don't deserve Derek Chauvin's behaviour inappropriately associated with them. I agree with you that Chauvin's actions were unethical and criminal from what I have seen of the trial.

I’ll be honest with you. I have a PhD in psychology although that’s not what I currently use in respect of my job.

I have done a lot of study into stigmatised personality disorders. My thesis was on ASPD and looked deeply into the people diagnosed with it.

I have done a lot for people who are stigmatised in regards to personality disorders and mental health issues.

I would have loved to see him testify because I would have loved to get a better insight into his personality. Should I have said he had a personality disorder? Probably not, but he does.

 

[MsDiz]

No Miss Thing, Chauvin the French cop did not testify as he was on trial.

Any lawyer, or legal solicitor worth his or her salt or €£$ will tell a client never to testify when they are on trial, and to exercise your Constitutional right if you are in the USA. This is basic common knowledge.

Would you give the same amateur armchair diagnosis if George Floyd had killed Chauvin, or any or all of the police present that day? Somehow I doubt it.

Since you like to pretend to be a psychologist/therapist/shrink, why not ask the pregnant woman who George Floyd robbed, assaulted, and held a gun to her head which completely traumatic and life changing mental health issues she now has? Ask her why she does not trust strangers, is always on edge, wakes up crying and screaming nightly, and goes into a panic when a stranger knocks at her door or when a male maintenance/builder/contractor goes to her home. 8)

You, and others seem confused about law enforcement, and the legal/criminal justice system. If a person of any race or ethnicity is a known violent criminal as both George and Duante were, or they are being served a warrant, resists arrest-this includes fleeing the scene and not co-operating with police or struggling and going crazy like George did from the drugs, or they pull a Michael Brown and attack the officer or have a weapon like that rapist Jacob Blake did, due process, legal proceedings, etc. are all a moot point as the police will protect themselves and any other civilians from being killed or hurt by the violent criminal.

Do you honestly believe thugs, criminals, etc. care about 'morals', 'ethics', 'rights', how they hurt people, etc.? They don't. Prisons, and mental asylums are full of people like this.

I read ZERO of your responses. You’re a clear racist and your words mean nothing to me. You’re wasting your time.

 

[dalpat077]

So...not immediately obeying the demands of LEO precludes someone from a trial or their constitutional rights?

We’re obviously going to keep going around in circles here. All of us.

No. That’s not what I am saying. Not in the legal sense. I am saying that as a result of their failure to comply, something has gone awry, they’re dead, and therefore by default or outcome they are precluded simply because they no longer exist and their constitutional rights are at that point irrelevant for obvious reasons.

If, on the other hand, they’d never pulled any shit and lived to tell the tale: well then obviously they are entitled to the full monty.

There’s no other way I can think to explain this.

 

[MsDiz]

We’re obviously going to keep going around in circles here. All of us.

No. That’s not what I am saying. Not in the legal sense. I am saying that as a result of their failure to comply, something has gone awry, they’re dead, and therefore by default or outcome they are precluded simply because they no longer exist and their constitutional rights are at that point irrelevant for obvious reasons.

If, on the other hand, they’d never pulled any shit and lived to tell the tale: well then obviously they are entitled to the full monty.

There’s no other way I can think to explain this.

Fucking hell. You and this they were in the wrong therefore they should expect death shite.

Why do the police exist? If there are no criminals then we wouldn’t need police would we? One exists due to the other.

You can go in circles with that if you go deep enough into it too. It still won’t matter in relation to this trial. Fucking hell.

Chauvin suffocated his detainee. He was in the wrong.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

We’re obviously going to keep going around in circles here. All of us.

No. That’s not what I am saying. Not in the legal sense. I am saying that as a result of their failure to comply, something has gone awry, they’re dead, and therefore by default or outcome they are precluded simply because they no longer exist and their constitutional rights are at that point irrelevant for obvious reasons.

If, on the other hand, they’d never pulled any shit and lived to tell the tale: well then obviously they are entitled to the full monty.

There’s no other way I can think to explain this.

We're talking about "in the legal sense", though...that's what this whole conversation is about, re: Chauvin's trial.

If someone's rights (or violation of said rights) are irrelevant simply because they're dead, that could just as easily be applied to anyone who met an unjust death at the hands of the state...same with the post hoc justifications regarding "resistance" (or, in Floyd's case, more that he was just a bad, bad dude)

 

[cduggles]

s obvious from your posts that you are synthesizing hearsay, conspiracy theories, and rumors to suit your racist and slanted narrative. You actually used the Daily Mail as a source and dare to question where other people get their news? It’s laughable.
And I pretty much automatically ignore people who use nicknames like “Fentanyl Floyd”, but as I am a mod and this is a harm reduction site for substance users, I am compelled to read and comment.
In your posts, you show both ignorance and insensitivity about drug use and towards drug users, which is ironic to say the least. While a lack of knowledge isn’t against any rules, such ignorance should be pointed out, as it has, and exposed for what it is, which is anathema to the core mission of BL.
And just because you use the vague “they” when referring to black people, somewhat oblique terms like “ghetto lottery”, and attribute the decline of a city to a change from a white European to a black African population all without directly stating that you think black people are inferior, it’s clear that you do. And that, my dear, is racism plain and simple.
And it’s just incomprehensible that you would compare consensual sex play to overzealous, violent restraint that resulted in a death.
It’s not that difficult to see where you are coming from, and I think it’s a pretty ugly place.

Oh sweetie, bless your heart!

It is not 'racist' to discuss race or talk about events or things relating to race, crime/murder rate and demographics in a city, state, country, etc. Or if the events actually did indeed happen. Or to discuss about how people of any race/ethnicity who are in or from generational poverty that suddenly come into any large amount of money, do not know the first thing about saving, budgeting, and conservation of this money and always spend it all at an insane super fast rate.

A tragic connection: George Floyd's girlfriend once taught Daunte Wright in high school

George Floyd and Daunte Wright died after confrontations with police, just miles apart, one year apart. And it was revealed that the two fathers had a connection beyond their deaths.

www.cbsnews.com

Rise of Somali Gangs Plagues Minneapolis

7 Somali Men Killed over 10-month Period, and Cops Believe All were Killed by Fellow Somalis

www.cbsnews.com

Minneapolis' 'Little Mogadishu' Sees 56 Percent Increase in Violent Crimes Caused by Somali Gangs - Tennessee Star

Minneapolis' 'Little Mogadishu' Sees 56 Percent Increase in Violent Crimes Caused by Somali Gangs

tennesseestar.com

When I was writing about consensual bondage/BDSM/power exchange, it was to explain that it is extremely possible for someone who is not on fentanyl or other opiates and going to die from an overdose due to combining them with methamphetamine, the way Floyd died, to be in the exact same position Floyd was in the 'hogtied' position, and even if heavy breath control and pressure are applied to the shoulders, back, or even neck the person in bondage does not die. Of course slave/submissive types work their way up to this. Rome was not built in a day.

The school Floyd's 'girlfriend' supposedly taught in or was a dean at must be of extremely low education quality if they hired a ho and junkie like her. Notice how she now claims Dauante 'needed help' but did absolutely nothing to actually really help him?

That's funny, you know nothing about me. My best friend who I have known for over 40+ years is black. He, like most black people, and people of all races/ethnicities really dislikes any thug/criminal types, do nothing neoleftist racist politicians, and leftist extremists and racist black supremacist groups like the nation of Islam, black Hebrew Israelites, Afrocentrist revisionist history, etc.-Malcolm X called the racist leftist politicians out in the 1960s the whole 'the political parties switch!' is a myth, and Malcolm X also called out black racist Afrocentrist hate groups/cults out as the charlatans they are.

My friend, as well as other black and non-European friends in the USA really hate how the media and leftist politicians celebrate criminal or thug 'culture' amongst non-European-Americans with a fake racist image, or how racist hate groups like blm and other black activist groups riot, loot, and destroy cities and do not care about the black owned businesses, homes, and black lives they destroy. He also dislikes how black on black murder, crime, and racism towards other blacks-they call each other the n-word, c-word, k-word etc. or claim people who are mixed or who are black highly educated, and wealthy are 'not really black', are all a problem and how black activists and do nothing racist leftist politicians ignore this, and expect black people en masse to vote for them when they deliver nothing that they promise about helping black people. There is also a major problem with homophobia, biphobia, anti-LGBT hate amongst blacks both in North America and other countries, especially the Carribean and in most Sub-Saharan African countries-my friend is gay/homosexual and has traveled the world. The majority of blacks both in the USA and elsewhere do not want to live in or near a neighborhood, town, section of a city, etc. that is a slum and has a super high crime/murder rate.

Yes we have discussed these things. If you are actually really friends with any black people you will know what I wrote is all true. Black people are just like everyone else, and nobody of any race or ethnicity, social class, etc. is better than anyone else.

It’s nice that you have a black friend.

 

[alasdairm]

Any lawyer, or legal solicitor worth his or her salt or €£$ will tell a client never to testify when they are on trial, and to exercise your Constitutional right if you are in the USA. This is basic common knowledge.

it's not basic common knowledge at all.

defense lawyers will advise their clients to appear or not appear in their own defense based on which they think gives them the greatest chance of acquittal. chauvin's defense felt - for reasons at which we can only guess - that his not appearing gave them the best chance to win.

jurors should not make any assumptions about a defendant exercising their rights under the fifth amendment but it is inevitable that some people see it more as a sign of guilt... e.g.

“You see the mob takes the Fifth...If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

alasdair

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

It’s nice that you have a black friend.

Hah! I have multiple black friends. From all types of backgrounds, different countries, etc.

 

[aemetha]

ASPD-antisocial personality disorder? George Floyd probably had it, or was a sociopath, or psychopath.

Seriously, what is wrong with you? You go from saying that it's inappropriate to diagnose someone without assessing them to doing exactly that. It really isn't appropriate to apply any diagnostic label to any of the individuals in this case because none of them have presented for psychiatric treatment. It is not relevant to the case here. It is not evidence of anything. All it does is make it harder for unrelated people who legitimately are seeking treatment. Can we please get back to the (relevant) topic at hand.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

@PriestTheyCalledHim Do you have a ph.D in psychology?

"..people with ASPD, or people with any sort of cluster B personality disorders-they can manipulate others or feign empathy but in reality these people do not have any guilt, any empathy or remorse towards others at all.."

Or maybe you have ASPD yourself, but what are your sources for this? You're taking an entire spectrum of people and shove'em all into the same box.

Oh, right - that's what you do.

 

[cduggles]

Hah! I have multiple black friends.

Wow, that’s impressive guuurl!
Most racists only have one.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Seriously, what is wrong with you? You go from saying that it's inappropriate to diagnose someone without assessing them to doing exactly that. It really isn't appropriate to apply any diagnostic label to any of the individuals in this case because none of them have presented for psychiatric treatment. It is not relevant to the case here. It is not evidence of anything. All it does is make it harder for unrelated people who legitimately are seeking treatment. Can we please get back to the (relevant) topic at hand.

You know George Floyd was a career criminal, right? He stole lots of cars, wrecked them, sold guns, and broke in a random stranger's home, robbed her, beat her up, threatened to kill her and her fetus/child, and this is not normal behavior, he was never going to change, become 'reformed', had zero empathy for anyone at all he had hurt, and prisons and jails are full of people just like him