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does anyone have any advice regarding some of these new pcp analogues and psychosis? i've been in 5 psychosis, 4 of them involving amphetamines, but never without drugs being involved. in 15 years and hundreds of trips, only once ever were psychedelics involved. dissociatives had never brought me to psychosis. i am not sure, however, that im not bipolar. ketamine really helps my depression but its too expensive. i'm thinking about trying one of the pcp analogues, but dont want to destroy my life after just rebuilding my life and its sort of fragile, a psychosis, especially drug induced could be disasterous
 
I personally wouldn't risk it.

I dabbled with 3-Meo-PCP for a few years until the end where I was using daily and it took several months off dissos, before the paranoia and delusions truly left me. Since then even a single use of it would mess me up mentally.
 
One of my friends is Bi and for a little while there, every time we'd get high together things would start getting very sexual on his part. It made for some pretty uncomfortable experiences, I.E. being on acid at a show and him just grinding hard on me...and whispering in my ear to 'let it all go man' - goddamn. While a crowd of people see me just standing there totally frozen like a statue not knowing what to say or do and hoping the fucking song would end already so he'd stop rubbing his dick on my leg.
Lol, I have a friend who is almost definitely bi but actually married now and still pretty solidly closeted. A while ago when I was a lot younger and a bunch of us were out, all fucked up on copious amounts of MDMA, back when I could handle clubs and the DnB rave scene, one of my friends not unkindly tried to bring it up to him, that we would all still accept him and there was no reason to hide it from us. I'm not sure from a psychological health standpoint whether this is a good thing to do or not for someone who is obviously not ready to come out but it was really awkward, he basically became very defensive and emotional to the point of tears, at which point my friend tried to backtrack somehow and rescue the situation (again - not unkindly - we were all on MDMA and loved up and at the time were a very close group - but, equally, empathogen-induced honesty from a psychologically untrained but just well meaning friend might not always be what's needed in certain delicate situations).

After that none of us ever spoke of it again, but there were some other incidents including one time we were all doing MDMA in at the time a very small room, most of us shirtless coz it was hot and we were young and, fuck, does there need to be a reason, and at some point while we were sitting together on the bed (there were actually like 8 of us on the bed, again I was young and lived in a very small room, maybe not ideally suited to having a lot of people over for massive drug parties - and in fact we did get a lot of complaints from neighbours although at the time I didn't give a fuck). Anyway so we were just chatting and suddenly he starts kind of caressing my chest in a fairly sexual way. I have nothing against some man to man physical affection, don't get me wrong, but it made me pretty uncomfortable and I fairly promptly made an excuse to get up, mess with the music, then just stay standing and kind of away from the guy. I'm just gossiping now - but it's funny to reminisce - it was all a long time ago now but I miss those days in a way - anyway there was also another incident where he came on to and had a far more explicit sexual experience with my openly gay friend - again, while we were all on MDMA, but this time in a house - so they were in a room alone together except for another friend who passed out early, so they thought, but apparently woke up and heard a bunch of shit. This I think was during the time my closeted buddy was actually engaged. He's a cool guy on the whole and we get on well, but, damn, is he committed to just staying in the closet forever. I guess he can stay there if he wants, it's none of my business, I think it's surely kinda sad though that he can't fully accept himself somehow even now. But, I know what that's like, if not in terms of not wanting to accept your sexuality, definitely other more abstract parts of oneself... Eh, again, this is all just petty gossip by now but again, it's enjoyable to reminisce on those times.


I know the feeling. I, too, have always been able to hold my personal life together even in the depths of drug addiction, which is mostly a blessing, but it also allows me to justify pushing further into drugs more easily. I have a tendency to prolong addiction phases even when I know I'm addicted, because I hate anxiety (who doesn't?). I feel I need to be able to perform at work and band, which is actually true, but in most cases it would have been much less suffering to just jump off early on, rather than develop something more full-blown and spend months tapering and suffering the whole time and then dealing with more protracted PAWS.
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Yeah that's not very long. Though the clonazepam is worse to take daily than etizolam, since the half-life is much longer. Either way I think you['re probably just in for anxiety for a while, it will peak a couple of days in without any benzo usage, and will last a week give or take before starting to reduce... at least in my experience. If you can not take clonazepam and only etizolam, and wait as long as you can between doses, until you decide to jump off, that will help. And like I said if you can get some gabapentin or pregabalin, those will help a lot. Gabapentinoids are miraculous for drug withdrawals of all kinds, most especially opiates, but also benzos.
Yeah it's both a blessing and a curse being able to stay vaguely functional by most appearances, although, definitely more of a blessing, I think, on the whole, I do not relish the thought of a serious rock bottom type scenario and somehow wonder if I would even survive it... The work thing is my own constant, oppressive shadow over my life, and honestly I did come very close last year to shit truly hitting the fan in the depths of kratom AND benzo addiction, on top of my usual modafinil, phenibut, polydrug cocktails in an effort to force my mind into motion, but at that point nothing was enough and I could conceivably have cratered my business through sheer inaction for months, maybe have incurred debts, had to endure director misconduct and bankruptcy proceedings, I could have really fucked myself and have been in a terrible place both materially and psychologically... that was when I decided for the first time ever to try being completely sober, from everything, and even tried some online 12 step stuff, something I thought I'd never do... at that point finally I just surrendered to the need to give myself some time to stop trying - and I maintain even now that the most valuable thing I got out of AA/NA type stuff was the idea that if you're suffering from serious addiction, in the early stages of your recovery - you don't need to do anything else except not use. And from that finally I could put myself first, and recognise that my own health and wellness should be my first priority - and giving myself that permission, that if all I did in a day was not to use a drug, no matter what else - that day was a success - was really helpful.

But of course, eventually, that's not all you need to do. Real life and it's incessant demands eventually forces it's way back into your list of priorities... and as happens so often, these insights faded a little and again I started to get into the trap of just feeling like I just HAD to somehow MAKE MYSELF CAPABLE OF WORKING, drugs or not, health be damned... all that said, I'm still in a far better place now than I was, and I guess I'll just keep riding this inner battle until I finally finish sorting things out so I don't have so much pressure to work all the time which was my primary objective in getting sober in the first place, and remains my objective, despite this recent blip.

Noted about clonazepam versus etizolam, maybe I'll try tapering with just etizolam instead, I thought for some reason clonazepam would be better because of the longer duration... and yeah, I do really like pregabalin but unfortunately I think it just makes me too stupid and unfunctional... gabapentin also sadly while it surely prevents seizure risk does very little for me psychologically when I'm using it following a heavy benzo phase. I did feel something nice from it about 2 months into my planned total sobriety when my GABA system must have had some time to recover but otherwise, even when I was just using phenibut a lot, I didn't really ever feel much of anything on it. But, that's fine, I don't need to be feeling drug feelings all the time... that desire is what got me into this situation yet again.
 
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I personally wouldn't risk it.

I dabbled with 3-Meo-PCP for a few years until the end where I was using daily and it took several months off dissos, before the paranoia and delusions truly left me. Since then even a single use of it would mess me up mentally.
that really sucks as i could see them being really beneficial to me. i wouldn't use it daily, but i do tend to binge. was it paranoia and delusion that you were aware of and could take a benzo to calm down or the sort where you are completely out of your mind with no reasoning and are going to be blocking traffic and flagging cars down in the street?

are there any new dissos anybody finds less prone to manic psychosis? or any of these pcp ones that are maybe not so stimulating?
 
does anyone have any advice regarding some of these new pcp analogues and psychosis? i've been in 5 psychosis, 4 of them involving amphetamines, but never without drugs being involved. in 15 years and hundreds of trips, only once ever were psychedelics involved. dissociatives had never brought me to psychosis. i am not sure, however, that im not bipolar. ketamine really helps my depression but its too expensive. i'm thinking about trying one of the pcp analogues, but dont want to destroy my life after just rebuilding my life and its sort of fragile, a psychosis, especially drug induced could be disasterous
I heard an account a a soundigly stable man, using PCP-3-MEO PCP and after a while winding up with a very severe case of psychosis.

Still, if I knew I wouldn’t be seriously physically allergic to it, I would have bought loads of it when I had the chance, before Brexit.
 
I have lost my shit on a few of them 3-MeO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE and 3-HO-PCE but that being said they are some of my absolute favorite drugs ever and if I could get a friend to hold the stash and just give me like 50-70mgs once a month I think id be fine. When I have a fat gram tho I get compulsive and use big doses daily the kinda doses I really shouldnt even post about cuz id hate for someone to think its okay and have something bad happen to them. I have a wicked dissos tolerance that has protected me...when I first start getting high on them again tho my god does it feel wonderful they mix so good with psychedelics.
 
i think im going to bite the bullet and do it, but wanted some input. i hope this doesnt ruin my life. ill take precautions, like going out of town on a camping trip alone with a limited amount to test how i react to the substance. sucks though, because i dont want to end up in the psych hospital (or jail) either way, but really only stimulants have ever done that to me.. i guess i could go really, really, deep in the woods lol. any suggestions for which might be less likely to fuck me up? i just need to not wind up either A) driving or B) flagging down drivers, and i should be okay...

@ShadowCat yeah im interested in using them as a launching pad for psychedelics after some difficult experiences to kind of ease me back into it, but will probably stick to ketamine for that. im really looking for something i can use to supplement like monthly for my depression. i have pretty good control with not using drugs daily, but reaaallly bad history as far as pushing dosage on binges go (and not stopping until its gone), so im not sure what kind of moreishness this might have
 
that really sucks as i could see them being really beneficial to me. i wouldn't use it daily, but i do tend to binge. was it paranoia and delusion that you were aware of and could take a benzo to calm down or the sort where you are completely out of your mind with no reasoning and are going to be blocking traffic and flagging cars down in the street?
I didn't plan on using it daily, but they make you feel pretty damn good. I was buying 5g at a time at the end and doing it constantly, and eventually thought the government could hear my thoughts, the police were gonna shoot me if I stepped out the house, my housemate had hacked my wifi, people were plotting against me, there were cameras all over my house etc

Not fun. Benzos calm you down but they don't help with the delusions. Sobriety did.
 
I didn't plan on using it daily, but they make you feel pretty damn good. I was buying 5g at a time at the end and doing it constantly, and eventually thought the government could hear my thoughts, the police were gonna shoot me if I stepped out the house, my housemate had hacked my wifi, people were plotting against me, there were cameras all over my house etc

Not fun. Benzos calm you down but they don't help with the delusions. Sobriety did.
weird, im not used to dissociatives doing that, but ive only tried MXE and ketamine. like im less delusional on ketamine if anything. and its been a long time since the mxe, and im much more fragile these days.

do you think being prone to stimulant psychosis (like way way easier than other people, which has protected me from getting too into them) makes me more prone to psychosis from another class of drugs?
 
I didn't plan on using it daily, but they make you feel pretty damn good. I was buying 5g at a time at the end and doing it constantly, and eventually thought the government could hear my thoughts, the police were gonna shoot me if I stepped out the house, my housemate had hacked my wifi, people were plotting against me, there were cameras all over my house etc

Not fun. Benzos calm you down but they don't help with the delusions. Sobriety did.
Another trait we share, becausei it’s in my nature to do exactly the same thing, then try to pick up the pieces later,

As with the acid I guess.
 
I didn't plan on using it daily, but they make you feel pretty damn good. I was buying 5g at a time at the end and doing it constantly, and eventually thought the government could hear my thoughts, the police were gonna shoot me if I stepped out the house, my housemate had hacked my wifi, people were plotting against me, there were cameras all over my house etc

Not fun. Benzos calm you down but they don't help with the delusions. Sobriety did.
i feel you but i've been able to avoid being a daily user of anything despite trying IV meth, coke, heroin, etc, and pretty much every drug out there EXCEPT pcp. but the meth and heroin was pretty hard to interrupt the binge. not worried about that. if one could keep it to an occasional thing (say, weekend long binges, every weekend at the most, or say 4 days long at the absolute longest) do you think they could avoid these issues?

i have benzos and antipsychotics on hand, but in my stimulant psychosis i was far too out of my mind to have considered taking medicine
 
weird, im not used to dissociatives doing that, but ive only tried MXE and ketamine. like im less delusional on ketamine if anything. and its been a long time since the mxe, and im much more fragile these days.

do you think being prone to stimulant psychosis (like way way easier than other people, which has protected me from getting too into them) makes me more prone to psychosis from another class of drugs?
I'd never experienced anything remotely close to that from Ketamine or MXE myself. The PCP analogues are way more prone to inducing such manic behaviour. Plus you're mobile so it really can go horribly wrong if you abuse them.

I've never had stimulant psychosis, so don't know how that compares, but I just know once I lost my shit on dissos I really value my sanity and won't be repeating the same mistake ever again with PCP analogues.

As I said, it did take me a couple of years of dabbling before I got into serious abuse of it, so you may be fine in the short term. Just don't push your luck..
 
I'd never experienced anything remotely close to that from Ketamine or MXE myself. The PCP analogues are way more prone to inducing such manic behaviour. Plus you're mobile so it really can go horribly wrong if you abuse them.

I've never had stimulant psychosis, so don't know how that compares, but I just know once I lost my shit on dissos I really value my sanity and won't be repeating the same mistake ever again with PCP analogues.

As I said, it did take me a couple of years of dabbling before I got into serious abuse of it, so you may be fine in the short term. Just don't push your luck..
sorry to be so pedantic, but with your experience would you think one bad binge with it could push someone over the edge or just long term abuse? i am one to jump headfirst into things, including drugs so
 
Considering you've experienced drug induced psychosis before I wouldn't say it's that far fetched that one binge could send you loopy.

No amount of reassurance from my friends or relatives could convince me I was being crazy at the time. You just don't realise you're going crazy, whilst you're going crazy...

From an HR stand point I'd say stick to Ketamine! Or at the very least, just don't use it on consecutive days or in ridiculous amounts.
 
I personally dont have any issues with Ketamine, MXE and family and losing my marbles I can binge those just fine and nothing bad ever comes of it. But 3-MeO-PCP and the like are just in a different ballpark and yes some people use them just fine but if your the type to binge dissos heavily I would be real careful and not have the bulk of it accessable. I pretty much always lose my shit on them eventually sometimes it takes weeks sometimes a few days but they are not as User friendly as Ketamine/MXE/DCK etc...I've tried most the dissos out there and LOVE them all. Of someone offered me some 3-MeO right now id deff take it.

Feel amazing on this DOiP guys very euphoric and stimulating combines nicely with the Methadone, I like it quite a bit think im starting to peak or at least enter it. The headache is gone I just feel really positive overall and glad Id chose today to indulge, two thumbs up.
 
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Noted about clonazepam versus etizolam, maybe I'll try tapering with just etizolam instead, I thought for some reason clonazepam would be better because of the longer duration...

It IS better for tapering, but that's in a long, slow taper, it's because there is less interdose withdrawal. if you want to use benzos short-term without developing serious dependence, short halflife ones are the way to go, as then you spend more time without benzos in your system. Unless, of course, you compensate for the short duration by taking them more often.
 
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