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G_Chem said:
Flood with 10-20ml dh2o and the oil will separate. Carefully pipette off the water leaving the oil droplets. Wash again with fresh distilled water, removing same as before.
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For clearness dH2O is distilled water right not 'heavy water' or
deuterium oxide, 2H2O, or D2O
 
I'm confused.

Isn't the very reason why CBD oil is so available and legal because it contains minute amounts of THC? If that be the case: then what would be the point i.e. no extraction or conversion is going to produce more THC than was in the original source (CBD oil) surely?

Or in the only language I can understand i.e. my personal definition of "in layman's terms" ( :ROFLMAO: ): one cannot produce more Cocaine from a leaf than what was originally extracted (and by the time all hoops have been jumped through it would be less not more).

Or are we talking here about turning CBD (and whatever else it may contain) into some or the other substance that is then psychoactive?
 
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dalpat077 said:
Or are we talking here about turning CBD (and whatever else it may contain) into some or the other substance that is then psychoactive?
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This, isomerisation of CBD will produce certain ammounts of delta-9 and -8-THC.

Pretty good yield's too! I wonder if the mention of surprisingly dangerous substances being formed during this reaction is just a scare tactic. Or if there is some truth to that.

Its not something I am gonna do myself but just reading it was news for me. Never heard of this before.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
This, isomerisation of CBD will produce certain ammounts of delta-9 and -8-THC.

Pretty good yield's too! I wonder if the mention of surprisingly dangerous substances being formed during this reaction is just a scare tactic. Or if there is some truth to that.

Its not something I am gonna do myself but just reading it was news for me. Never heard of this before.
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I imagine there's a ton of byproducts with a ghetto synth
 
emkee_reinvented said:
thanks never knew or heard about isomerisation.

But with CBD being so available and legal. While THC is sadly still not. Just woke up, first coffee about to go in. The CDBV was in a different oil as the CBD based products. Or are these two both in it?
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Just waking up too, but ya the CBDV was it’s own separate thing but I have done this to CBD and trimmings in the past as well. The CBDV concentrate did have some CBD in it too though..

And yup you got it right distilled water :)

This process is great for anyone with access to CBD but no THC. When I was younger I even did this to Hemp Extract with favorable results. I remember pulling my old minivan into some farmers drive and yanking some plants to fill my trunk (they grow wild cuz folks used to grow it for the fiber there.)

Hemp contains roughly 6-8% CBD, and .3% or so THC.

-GC
 
Zephyn said:
I imagine there's a ton of byproducts with a ghetto synth
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The only byproduct is delta-8-THC which will grow in concentration the longer the process goes. That’s why it’s best to reflux only a couple hours, reflux for a couple days and you got a fair amount of delta-8.

This process produces clean product if clean reagents are used. Aka garbage in garbage out. If using sulfuric acid drain cleaner, purify it first by adding h2o2 and refluxing for a bit, it will go cloudy/colored to clear.

Also when doing the water flooding step, save that water and let it sit, a little more THC should come out over time if one is frugal.

-GC
 
I assume they were referring to the potential danger of using the solvent/reactant/catalyst, in this case conc. sulphuric acid and potentially hazardous solvents? With just a catalyst and CBD isolate going into the reaction there aren't going to be any by products. Other than maybe from other minor cannabinoids in the original extract/isolate. Oh and deltal-8-THC.
 
Its actually an extremely easy and safe process if followed correctly. I tried it once or twice in my late teens with extract made from a load of pure indica outdoor (cant remember the strain). We extracted in methanol for an hour or 2, Filtered (eventually through a filter disc and a small amount of active carbon) let it cool. We then dropped the pH with conc, h2so4, refluxed for 3 hours. before letting it cool. We then pulled the THC with hot naphtha or hexane maybe? It was some kind of non-polar solvent. Evaporated and vac oven for a bit until the solvent was gone. It made it an extremely up and go high, compared to the couch lock king it was before. Definitely worth looking into especially if weeds legal in your land.
I always wanted to try prepare THC-o-acetate, but I've never had everything in place to bother. It's definitely on my life long to do list haha....
 
ish675 said:
The process seems pretty simple. CBD+HCL, extract with sodium sulfate = both d9 and d8 THC in somewhat equal portions. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have more to say and some questions but I wanted to put some feelers out to see if anyone has experimented with this. Since you can now buy pure cbd, and hemp cbd extracts legally in all states you would think this would be an interesting method for obtaining THC, both medicinally and non.

Link to the U.S patent-
https://www.google.com/patents/US20040143126
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I'm stupid and probably massively oversimplifying this...but if I ass Hydrochloride and Sodium Sulfate to CBD....I could smoke it as THC?

Also: Isn't Sodium Sulfate just table salt? I know you can just ass that to hand sanitiser to turn it into safe-to-drink alcohol.
 
Sodium Chloride is table salt. Sodium Sulfate is the sodium salt of Sulfuric Acid. Dunno about the rest.
 
See you want pure cbd for this rxn.

just grow flowers that produce thc.

if u have a lot of pure cbd then it may be something. It would be like smoking crystal thc.
 
dalpat077 said:
Sodium Chloride is table salt. Sodium Sulfate is the sodium salt of Sulfuric Acid. Dunno about the rest.
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Damn, that's right.
I feel so dumb lol.
So how does one procure these acids anyway?

I need hydrochloric acid for something, also. I heard something about Drain Cleaner?
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Damn, that's right.
I feel so dumb lol.
So how does one procure these acids anyway?

I need hydrochloric acid for something, also. I heard something about Drain Cleaner?
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Not sure what that sodium sulfate is about but all you need is an alcohol (methanol, ethanol or isopropyl will do) and HCl or sulfuric acid. Plus distilled water and maybe some hydrogen peroxide to clean the sulfuric acid. (You don’t HAVE to clean the acid but if your anal about impurities you can.). Sulfuric acid is what I used back in the day, found as drain cleaner at hardware stores.

Also this can be done on crude extracts and even plant material. Your gonna use more reagents than if you had just done an extract, for the plant material, but when looking at the cost of drain cleaner and alcohol not a huge loss.

(Fill your flask with plant material, pour in alcohol until you’ve just covered the plant material, keep track of the volume of alcohol then just drip in 1 drop sulfuric acid per 15ml alcohol. Reflux until satisfied, then filter off alcohol. Flood alcohol with equal amount of water. Watch as the dark oils separate from the milky white/green solution. This can be manually separated. Otherwise add toluene and shake together contents, carefully to avoid emulsions. Separate toluene and evaporate in a glass tray to yield oil. Redissolve in minimal alcohol and re-evaporate to ensure no toluene is left trapped in the oil.)

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Not sure what that sodium sulfate is about but all you need is an alcohol (methanol, ethanol or isopropyl will do) and HCl or sulfuric acid. Plus distilled water and maybe some hydrogen peroxide to clean the sulfuric acid. (You don’t HAVE to clean the acid but if your anal about impurities you can.). Sulfuric acid is what I used back in the day, found as drain cleaner at hardware stores.

Also this can be done on crude extracts and even plant material. Your gonna use more reagents than if you had just done an extract, for the plant material, but when looking at the cost of drain cleaner and alcohol not a huge loss.

(Fill your flask with plant material, pour in alcohol until you’ve just covered the plant material, keep track of the volume of alcohol then just drip in 1 drop sulfuric acid per 15ml alcohol. Reflux until satisfied, then filter off alcohol. Flood alcohol with equal amount of water. Watch as the dark oils separate from the milky white/green solution. This can be manually separated. Otherwise add toluene and shake together contents, carefully to avoid emulsions. Separate toluene and evaporate in a glass tray to yield oil. Redissolve in minimal alcohol and re-evaporate to ensure no toluene is left trapped in the oil.)

-GC
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Thanks for the very helpful reply!

Also, if I'm trying to demethylise DHC into DHM...would I again just need to add alcohol, distilled water and either HCl or Sulfuric Acid?
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Damn, that's right.
I feel so dumb lol.
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Don't feel dumb. While I'd like to be able to say I know what I'm talking about when it comes to chemistry: I don't. I just know that Sodium Chloride or NaCL is table salt. I had to look the other one up. :ROFLMAO: There goes even the tiniest shred of street cred. that I may have had with the chemists around here. I'm trying folks. I'm trying.

Just for the sake of my own peace of mind please assure me that this thread is not something along the following lines:

A Simple and Convenient Synthesis of Pseudoephedrine
 
dalpat077 said:
turning CBD ... into some ... other substance
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Chemistry = alchemy?
Turning lead into gold?

I was under the same impression: Ya have a SD (480p) photo and cannot make out the key-shape in hand to "print" a clone of said key. One adds pixels (up res to 1080p) to sharpen the image, right? Nope... that one blurry block of a pixel ya need has now become 10 blocks of blurry pixels.

I know the topic substance is not an image and does not play by the same rules... just conceptually thinking is all.

This is truly fascinating to me. And why would not be possible? As human we morph daily into other creatures; can we not apply the same processes of manipulation to all around us? Maybe one day we will not need any "outside" equipment to perform these changes....

My bad if off topic but damn this has opened a universe of possibilities to me (either real or imagined - who is to say they are not the same?).

<3
 
dalpat077 said:
Don't feel dumb. While I'd like to be able to say I know what I'm talking about when it comes to chemistry: I don't. I just know that Sodium Chloride or NaCL is table salt. I had to look the other one up. :ROFLMAO: There goes even the tiniest shred of street cred. that I may have had with the chemists around here. I'm trying folks. I'm trying.

Just for the sake of my own peace of mind please assure me that this thread is not something along the following lines:

A Simple and Convenient Synthesis of Pseudoephedrine
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Haha noooo, I'm not running a meth lab, I swear!
I'm just trying to demethylise my DHC into DHM.
 
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