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Giuliani didn't make any spelling mistakes. What did he do wrong? Nobody is going to be sanctioned. The typos are fake news, like everything the MSM prints about Trump & co. Most of them were nitpicking grammatical errors. It is very common for grammar to be imperfect in legal documents. The only spelling mistakes I've seen (maybe I missed something) is the word district having a double c. Obviously the person who wrote it knows how to spell district. This is hardly significant. But people chose to focus on it like they focus on the fly during the VP debate and Giuliani's hair malfunction... Why? Because there is nothing substantial to focus on, so they find something - anything - to jump up and down about and say "See? This guy's an idiot!" They did this with Trump throughout his whole presidency. Focusing on his fake tan and his hair and delibrately (sic) taking things out of context to make him look stupid.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Giuliani is no fool.
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Nope. And thanks for that. If nothing else (or should I rather say at very least): an unbiased and educated statement.

Funny though isn't it. He's now perceived as being a rambling old fool who knows nothing (see post above) and is nothing more than a Trump lackey.

Same as with Trump though: people have forgotten how Giuliani turned New York around. Fucking finest Mayor ever given the task at hand at the time. And he did that by putting his foot down and taking no more shit. And he did that by enforcing the rule of law, eradicating corruption in the NYPD, and the rest. So there was collateral damage (arguably) now and then. Shit happens. Anyway. Reminds me of somebody else whose accomplishments are unappreciated and are currently perceived to be of little to no importance... Oh yes... I remember now!

Anyway. Not to harp on the matter. But if the reports today are correct and the Arizona State Legislators have certified those results: I hope they can live with what they see in the mirror when they wake up this morning (especially the Republicans) after Mayor Giuliani's opening statements (and tongue lashing at one point).

And somebody around here is banging on about spelling! Although unprofessional I'll agree: they don't exactly have all the time in the world on their hands now do they.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Giuliani didn't make any spelling mistakes. What did he do wrong? Nobody is going to be sanctioned. The typos are fake news, like everything the MSM prints about Trump & co. Most of them were nitpicking grammatical errors. It is very common for grammar to be imperfect in legal documents. The only spelling mistakes I've seen (maybe I missed something) is the word district having a double c. Obviously the person who wrote it knows how to spell district. This is hardly significant. But people chose to focus on it like they focus on the fly during the VP debate and Giuliani's hair malfunction... Why? Because there is nothing substantial to focus on, so they find something - anything - to jump up and down about and say "See? This guy's an idiot!" They did this with Trump throughout his whole presidency. Focusing on his fake tan and his hair and delibrately (sic) taking things out of context to make him look stupid.
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Thanks for this too. More eloquently put than I could have managed. And 100% on the mark.
 
Come to think of it (and last rant for the day):

Gonna be real interesting when the NYPD has their wings clipped even further, their numbers reduced, and they're defunded. Or better yet: "community policing"! 🤣
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Giuliani didn't make any spelling mistakes. What did he do wrong? Nobody is going to be sanctioned. The typos are fake news, like everything the MSM prints about Trump & co.
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Wtf are you talking about. I'm not quoting a news article or linking anything. I, as in me, JessFR, am saying the legal documents were full of spelling errors. I know that, because I read them, and saw the spelling errors.

I linked one of them earlier on the thread.

Does the author know how to spell? Yeah probably, but usually you want to give the impression that you're, you know, engaging in something serious, like law. And could be bothered to spell check.
 
JessFR said:
Wtf are you talking about. I'm not quoting a news article or linking anything. I, as in me, JessFR, am saying the legal documents were full of spelling errors. I know that, because I read them, and saw the spelling errors.

I linked one of them earlier on the thread.

Does the author know how to spell? Yeah probably, but usually you want to give the impression that you're, you know, engaging in something serious, like law. And could be bothered to spell check.
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I don't dispute your logic or principle. I think, most important, is that we know how to actually spell correctly, without being collectively over nitpicky aboit two M's or two T's "damn which is it, can't remember now" lol! Taking the piss out of myself here.

I often get confused about these minor particulars with longer words.

I admit to spelling the same words differently on different days, even the same day, consciously, and unconsciously. On paper, it should reduce my credit rating (even further), but I don't give it much care.

But I am not a Lawyer in probably, the most serious and important legal case of all time.

So I can see it both ways. But I think spelling is somewhat overrated.

Being "literate" is absolutely paramount though, and I think we can qualify for being literate, even if we consciously or unconsciously mispell certain words.

As one self mocking example- despite Lyme Disease disposing of my normal, comfortable life 15 years, you wouldn't believe the amount of times I have had to re-google the spelling of (one sec, just gonna check again now no kidding lol, even though I did just a few days ago haha)... Right- Borrelia Bacteria.

I would sometimes use two R's, other times two L's, and honestly not fuss over it much.

But I try to, and like to be "correct", whatever that is worth. Just not quite as important, in all cases and circumstances I don't think, as the real actual meaning and ultimately most important things in life.

It won't matter to me when I'm on my "deaf" bed if I get something wrong gramatically.
 
Xorkoth said:
I agree that it's not too late, but we have to really be vigilant and hold people accountable. And we also have to stop hating and disrespecting each other. The powers that be have created this division through social engineering, but the only reason it works is because people have decided to treat each other badly. We have caused this division. The fact that it was intended to happen does not absolve us of this. We have the power to heal it ourselves by trying to understand each other instead of throwing shade and insults (and worse).
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I gotta say, the last 4 years have been utterly rancid, quite one sided online as well and the guilty party that literally lost any skill they had talking current events are the democrat supporters.

Actually anyone so full of rage about who the US president is they become far worse and more damaging than any PRO TRUMPER, theres only been a handful here in that time and there's no way in hell the hateful rhetoric here was from them.


Its really embarassing. I hang head in shame at a lot of people who have dumped friends because they are Trump supporters .

One would have thought that if they were the better person they would grow up and act like it?

One thing he did was personally get involved in the Korean Penninsula and I suppose the govt bureaucracy will ruin that now but that is the one thing he did that was good.

Besides that, well, he is famous for being who he is and got the job anyway. So...some discontent in the populace caused that, would it be easier to just do better as democrats than waste time shitting on someone who got elected because you sucked in the first place?


It doesnt matter, all politicians are lying scum bags no matter who is in power.
 
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But I am not a Lawyer in probably, the most serious and important legal case of all time.
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Well to be fair, neither are trumps lawyers. ;)

But honestly, people don't seem to be seeing the point here.

It's not about if they can spell, it's that they were too either lazy or incompetent to just... Use the damn spell check. Like, just use the ms word spell check. That woulda fixed pretty much all the problems.

It's the kinda thing you would hope a teenager doing a book report could be fucked to do. And that they didn't... For documents you're giving to the court. Is a real bad sign for the quality of the legal team.
 
JessFR said:
Well to be fair, neither are trumps lawyers. ;)

But honestly, people don't seem to be seeing the point here.

It's not about if they can spell, it's that they were too either lazy or incompetent to just... Use the damn spell check. Like, just use the ms word spell check. That woulda fixed pretty much all the problems.

It's the kinda thing you would hope a teenager doing a book report could be fucked to do. And that they didn't... For documents you're giving to the court. Is a real bad sign for the quality of the legal team.
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Maybe they feared the Dems have slid an A.I. programme (did I spell thst right lol? (Honestly)) into their spellcheck programmes.

Or would that just be paranoid?

Genuine questions actually, not trying to be funny.
 
AutoTripper said:
Maybe they feared the Dems have slid an A.I. programme (did I spell thst right lol? (Honestly)) into their spellcheck programmes.

Or would that just be paranoid?

Genuine questions actually, not trying to be funny.
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Well even if they had (and no you didn't spell it correctly. Not to my tastes anyway), it's not like it has to wait for them to spell check. It could modify it when it gets saved, or printed to pdf?

This is probably too much rational thought for such an absurd idea, all I know is, it's program.
 
JessFR said:
Well even if they had (and no you didn't spell it correctly. Not to my tastes anyway), it's not like it has to wait for them to spell check. It could modify it when it gets saved, or printed to pdf?

This is probably too much rational thought for such an absurd idea, all I know is, it's program.
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Maybe open to debate?

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But I see in your quote I still managed a separate typo lol!
 
one opinion:



"ABC News reported this week that Rudy Giuliani only became Trump's lead lawyer on his election fraud lawsuits because no real, reputable, talented lawyers were willing to risk their careers and reputations by representing the President and his fraudulent claims of fraud. In addition to that, the President is apparently growing increasingly sick of Giuliani's ridiculous and pathetic antics, meaning that Rudy will be left with nothing when all of this is over. Ring of Fire's Farron Cousins discusses this."

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
one opinion:



"ABC News reported this week that Rudy Giuliani only became Trump's lead lawyer on his election fraud lawsuits because no real, reputable, talented lawyers were willing to risk their careers and reputations by representing the President and his fraudulent claims of fraud. In addition to that, the President is apparently growing increasingly sick of Giuliani's ridiculous and pathetic antics, meaning that Rudy will be left with nothing when all of this is over. Ring of Fire's Farron Cousins discusses this."

alasdair
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I don't believe that. Not without evidence.

I don't believe that the president couldn't get competent representation, I suspect it's more than no real lawyer was willing to represent trump the way trump insists.

And that that has sort of become "no lawyer would work with him". Besides, reputable firms did agree to work on the lawsuits before pulling out. So it's not like they wouldn't consider working with trump.
 
^ right.

as i said, it's just one opinion. i'll try to find you a link @JessFR but i read an article about a law firm in, i think PA, who agreed to represent trump then withdrew because of concerns about their credibility and reputation...

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
^ right.

as i said, it's just one opinion. i'll try to find you a link @JessFR but i read an article about a law firm in, i think PA, who agreed to represent trump then withdrew because of concerns about their credibility and reputation...

alasdair
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Oh you don't need a link, I'm aware of that already. I was just saying I don't believe the problem is that noone would represent him, but that noone would represent him in the ways he wants.

I think it was porterwright that backed out because of concerns about professional reputations about what they were being asked to do. Not sure, I read it a couple days ago.

But that's part of what I meant, that trumps behavior simply makes representing him ethically extremely difficult. Not that lawyers or lawfirms would refuse simply cause it's trump.
 
alasdairm said:
^ right.

as i said, it's just one opinion. i'll try to find you a link @JessFR but i read an article about a law firm in, i think PA, who agreed to represent trump then withdrew because of concerns about their credibility and reputation...

alasdair
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Well me being me, and not being funny or flippant by the way, the right old conspiracy theorist extreme, I just put the explanation on the invisible power and influence of the corrupt system, it has very effective ways of silently deterring and influencing people and organisations on all levels in society.

If I was somehow brainy, well, a world top lawyer, and I was asked to fight for Trump on this...I would consider myself mental if I didn't consider potential, or more likely guaranteed attacks on myself, friends, family, finance, career, reputation etc, in some way or other- just any old which way they could get me.

The "long arm of the law" they say. Except the Law is not always the law. But the effective, effect and rule, whether it is visible to us or not.

I genuinely think any lawyer refusing to work with Trump on this, is actually pretty damn sensible, regarding looking after their own self, family, career etc going forwards in life.

It's like the witness protection program. ( @JessFR ) just quoted you here, because I automatically, unconsciously went to spell program this way here, nothing to do with us just having discussed this at all.

I realise I have somehow picked up some spelling conditioning. In that process, I have come to feel Program is correct for Witness protection program, as I did feel Programme was suitable for A.I. programme.

I don't think this is actually clearly universally defined in a black and white sense.

Anyway, if I was going to openly fight for Trump against (the Satanic Cabal and Deep State in my own belief), I would want some serious protection or assurance of personal safety.

These people are really putting their heads on the line, regardless of whether Trump is a bafoon or an Angel, and whether the Election result is fair and just or not.
 
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