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It’s a little hard to stomach people flouting public health measures openly and contemptuously, particularly people who could set an example for their sheeple, and then access some deep well of compassion when what is likely (they contract COVID) happens to them.
 
cduggles said:
It’s a little hard to stomach people flouting public health measures openly and contemptuously, particularly people who could set an example for their sheeple, and then access some deep well of compassion when what is likely (they contract COVID) happens to them.
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I don't know. I think there's a difference between a deep well of compassion and laughing about somebody contracting a deadly virus. I get the impression that some people on here would take pleasure if Giuliani or other people in Trump's administration died as a result of COVID... There's a line you can cross that makes you less humane than the people you use to justify lowering your standards. It is (frankly) a line that people on the left have crossed constantly throughout the Trump admin years.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I don't know. I think there's a difference between a deep well of compassion and laughing about somebody contracting a deadly virus. I get the impression that some people on here would take pleasure if Giuliani or other people in Trump's administration died as a result of COVID...
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Would you make these same arguments if it were a rapist or a pedophile or Hitler?

If you would then that's fine, I mean I'm not sure I'd agree but it's a perfectly fine moral stand to make about the fundamental rights of all humans.

But if you wouldn't, then it seems it's nothing more than a question of how worthy or unworthy we respectively see these individuals of such sympathy.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I don't know. I think there's a difference between a deep well of compassion and laughing about somebody contracting a deadly virus. I get the impression that some people on here would take pleasure if Giuliani or other people in Trump's administration died as a result of COVID... There's a line you can cross that makes you less humane than the people you use to justify lowering your standards. It is (frankly) a line that people on the left have crossed constantly throughout the Trump admin years.
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A lot of people, not just in this thread but certainly a few candidates I believe, but all over the world, would take the greatest pleasure if Trump himself were to die, of any cause.

Maybe even the global pleasure scale spike would far exceed the one that resulted from the announcement Bin Laden was no longer.

Only saying, that's all.
 
I don't want trump to die, I just want him gone.

That said, if trump had died of covid19, and if Rudy does, I won't exactly be crying.

Their actions have caused untold suffering across America, they were actions taken in full comprehension and disregard of the consequences, for their own self interests.

So if they were to die as one of their many victims, of course many of us are gonna just see it as karma and be far from sorry to see them dead.
 
JessFR said:
I don't want trump to die, I just want him gone.

That said, if trump had died of covid19, and if Rudy does, I won't exactly be crying.

Their actions have caused untold suffering across America, they were actions taken in full comprehension and disregard of the consequences, for their own self interests.

So if they were to die as one of their many victims, of course many of us are gonna just see it as karma and be far from sorry to see them dead.
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Yeah I wasn't suggesting that you personally would take pleasure in such events.

But I do honestly think a lot of people genuinely would do.

The really bad people who I don't like, I wish to see them stopped, appropriately punished, out of reason not spite.

I don't wish suffering or revenge on them, or pain.

Justice that's all, no pins in a voodoo doll and on no grave shall I spit.

I will say though, Giulliani shocks me with such an absurd level of ignorance regarding basic hygeine, pandemic aside entirely.

Having had no immune system myself for so long, and being naturally OCD, I have spent decades, out of genuine necessity, obsessively avoiding surface contact viral/bacterial transmission.

Both ways- to me, and from me.

I've always been really hygeine conscious, if I ever put a finger in my mouth, I will not touch any single thing until I have washed my hands properly, not even the tap.

The rule is, if I'm not going to wash my hands immediately, don't put any germs onto them from my own multiply infected body.

The classic, double hanky use, every surface covered, each time it comes out the pocket, used any old how, screwed and folded repeatedly, has been a bane of mine to witness over time, because it shows such an abscence of thought, consideration and intellect.

Giulliani is to me yet another person, very successful in this world, purportedly very clever- but actually of incredibly low, "real" or actual intelligence.

Just surprises me still. Mind blown atm from 500ug acid this weekend gone. My feet are some way above the earth still.
 
AutoTripper said:
Yeah I wasn't suggesting that you personally would take pleasure in such events.

But I do honestly think a lot of people genuinely would do.

The really bad people who I don't like, I wish to see them stopped, appropriately punished, out of reason not spite.

I don't wish suffering or revenge on them, or pain.
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Well neither do I, but if their actions cause their own suffering, that's very different than people indulging their own blood lust.
 
ChickenScratch said:
I just think it’s funny watching that old fuck rub his boogers all over his face.
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To me it is more shockingly disconcerting than funny. It already is when I see people so unconsciously, and actually very selfishly do this in daily life.

It's like- my immune system is okay. I haven't the intelligence or consideration to even try and be a little bit, consciously hygienic with my own hanky use, for the sake of all those with compromised immune systems.

To suggest or point out the total lack of hygienity in that practice, is like day one at school in many cases, and often met with fierce rejection, however politely put.

But to see that basic abscence of awareness, logic, and self awareness from Giulliani still alarms me a bit. It is the implication. It's just a form of plain stupidity IMO plain and simple.

Lots of stupid people in the world. I'm lightyears from perfect, a typical dumb mortal much of the time, but I don't see myself as being as stupid and ignorant as that in any area of life.
 
JessFR said:
Would you make these same arguments if it were a rapist or a pedophile or Hitler?
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Yeah I try to be compassionate towards everyone. I feel sorry for rapists. I feel sorry for Hitler. Dehumanization isn't enlightened and it doesnt help anyone. I dont believe people are good and evil. I don't think some people deserve to be treated like people and others don't. It's hard sometimes, admittedly, because I was raised to condemn those who do sufficient wrong as iredeemable. People who do wrong against me or my loved ones is particularly hard but I'm getting better at it all the time. You might argue that Trump hurt your loved ones personally (and that justifies people taking pleasure in him suffering) but Obama killed a bunch of Paki civilians... and beyond COVID I don't really see what harm Trump has done relative to that. As I've said before, containing the virus in the US is impossible anyway and you have repeatedly agreed with me on that. If the case numbers were half what they are today people would still take pleasure in his suffering. Bush was also similarly dehumanized to such an extent that he wasn't treated like a person. Trump isn't Hitler. It's harder to find it in my heart to forgive the latter, but I have. Rather than hating, I try to understand why it happened.I have done bad things. This helps me to forgive others and understand that people don't do wrong because they are evil. They do wrong because they have been led astray. They do wrong because they are lost. Hating them just pushes them further down that path. It doesn't help. If you treat someone like a monster, they will believe it eventually and start to believe that they have no choice but to act accordingly.Beyond all that, it makes no sense to be selectively indifferent about human life. If Trump had caused the loss of human life - and that is a bad thing - then why take pleasure from the loss of more life. This is hypocrisy. To use your rapist analogy, it is akin to being pleased when a rapist is raped. I know that many people regard this to be justice, but the fact is that most rapists have already been sexually abused as children. They are already suffering. They are already lost. They are victims of fate.
AutoTripper said:
JessFR said:
I don't want trump to die, I just want him gone.

That said, if trump had died of covid19, and if Rudy does, I won't exactly be crying.

Their actions have caused untold suffering across America, they were actions taken in full comprehension and disregard of the consequences, for their own self interests.

So if they were to die as one of their many victims, of course many of us are gonna just see it as karma and be far from sorry to see them dead.
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AutoTripper said:
The really bad people who I don't like, I wish to see them stopped, appropriately punished, out of reason not spite.

I don't wish suffering or revenge on them, or pain.

Justice that's all, no pins in a voodoo doll and on no grave shall I spit.
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Well said, Auto.
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birdup.snaildown said:
Rather than hating, I try to understand why it happened.
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Exactly, I know what you mean. We had to move house, my mum and I, in 2010 after decades of unimaginable abuse from psychopathic neighbours, totally one sided, after we simply calmly and politely let them know, in no plain words either, that we knew it was them who burgled our house while we were on holiday.

The things this man did to us over the years. Purely evil, lying, crackhead acting sick minded psychopath.

He lived only to try and cause us suffering.

I grew up with that for years, always looking out for my mum, on guard night and day.

I did really hate him I admit at times. I wanted him dead. But not out of anger or vengeance. I just wanted, or badly needed a solution, an end to the unbearable problem that this wicked man, and his wife, was.

As soon as we moved, I didn't spare him a thought. Not a bad one, not a good one.

I can honestly say that I am not aware of feeling any hate towards him. I want him to be happy. No mal wishes anyway.

But I grew to understand him and his mentality, ultimately, sickness of mind and emotion. I see him as yet another unfortunate victime of the corrupt, invisible oppressing establishment.

If we had our perfect world, these weaker people, so easy to stray off, may never become so evil and guilty and ashamed and self loathing, through bad choices- often around money as well!

This just creates and cements such an unhealthy negative persona in their own view, a self perpetuating, self destructive situation with no way to forgive the self and change. Like an imprisonment essentially.
 
Sure, he's a compulsive liar but you're naive if think he's the first. See: Nixon, Bill Clinton, JFK, etc.

I can do an Obama "accomplishments" list if you like.

#1 deported a record number of illegal immigrants (1 million more than Dubya; 2.5 million more than Trump)... by far the highest percentage and the highest number in the history of the country

#2 is responsible for killing more innocent civilians (through his drone wars program) than any president since Nixon

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No president is perfect. They are all liars.
Fuck ups don't delete accomplishments.
 
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The amazing work of the Trump admin.

Who in their right mind could of voted for this guy? Happy its over. Just over 30 days!!!! They are going to have to drag him out.

Once he ends up in prison, will throw a few bucks on his books so he can get some better soup. That fat bastard will be eating soooo much salt when he gets in there. Won't make it 5 years.
 
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