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well done Rio!! giving your mum your phone and bank cards is a massive step and its a testament to your strength. its one thing to want to get clean, another thing entirely to recognise that under the current circumastances you can't and take action to make it more possible. honestly think about getting yourself into a rehab that accepts individual cases, not via drugs services.

i've had dealers like that too, they are cunts.

i totally get you about not wanting to come in when you're using. i'd feel a bit shitty about it too, especially if i had to read posts tinged with optimism and hope and see what i'd lost by using.
 
Dman Rio, i don't know you that much. Only from your posts but dudeeee I'm almost 3 months clean apart from 1 relapse that made me wd for 3 days only like 15 days ago. I feel so good atm, only taking clonazepam. Anyway it breaks my heart dude that you're still struggling with this shit for so many years man. When you attempt to wd what comfort meds do you use man? I didn't even did a taper, I went from 100mg IV morphine to 0 with justthe aid of clonazepam+LOPERAMIDE+900-1500mg gabapentin a day. Took like 20 days to stop sneezing and to overcome the lethargy but it was well worth it man. My life has improved a lot, i don't have to lie to my family anymore, steal 100$ bills from my dad when i'm desperate, sell my clothes, posessions, etc or begging money on the street for crack. I'm actually looking for a job atm. Haven't felt this good about myself in ages man. Carry on though bro, Don't fucking stop trying please. it took me 6 months to finally have the balls to quit but it was so worth it in the end. XX man, NZN(nick)

It's good to hear that you're doing well! Thanks for your kind words.

I don't need comfort meds since I transition from heroin to 2mg of subutex. I haven't been entirely clean from opiates for a long time - since like 2017, though I've taken the subutex as low as 0.4mg without having problems. When I do come off entirely I will first taper the subs down to 0.4 then use gabapentin and benzos, but that's a long way off yet. I need to get my head together first and I can't deal with the physical WD at the moment, so the low dose of subutex is fine. The first couple days are a little rough physically but nothing too bad - just a general feeling of discomfort. After that it's just me trying to put my mind back together. I'm all over the place emotionally.
 
well done Rio!! giving your mum your phone and bank cards is a massive step and its a testament to your strength. its one thing to want to get clean, another thing entirely to recognise that under the current circumastances you can't and take action to make it more possible. honestly think about getting yourself into a rehab that accepts individual cases, not via drugs services.

i've had dealers like that too, they are cunts.

i totally get you about not wanting to come in when you're using. i'd feel a bit shitty about it too, especially if i had to read posts tinged with optimism and hope and see what i'd lost by using.

Thanks @chinup ! How have you been recently?
 
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Hey everyone.

Day 7. It's been a fucking long first week, but I'm so glad it's behind me. I'm finally starting to feel a hint of natural energy & motivation coming back. It's like my brain is slowly starting to come "online" again. I am surprised at how difficult this last week has been though - the cravings & depression have been brutal. I am trying to develop a tempered optimism - I can't let myself get gloomy and negative, but I also can't forget how close I am to relapse at any time, no matter how I feel. I can't even count the amount of times I've been bursting with positivity, and suddenly the time where I needed a rock of crack and a shot of heroin just to feel normal seems so far behind me, and it feels like it would take a monumental shift in my outlook to make me relapse again, and everything seems wonderful, and then 2 days later I've relapsed. I cannot allow any complacency. I am continually reminding myself that for a long time I won't be able to rest and think that I've conquered this - I'm going to have to work every day to ensure that I stay sober.

I know it's going to take a lot of effort. I know that for at least the next 6 weeks cravings and mood swings are going to be a regular occurence, and probably for longer than that - I know it will be at least that long because I've relapsed a few times around the 45 day mark. I feel ready for it though - when I have a bad mood or a craving I am reminding myself that my brain is healing and that if I stay sober I am making progress, even if it doesn't feel like it at times. Relapse is always just one bad decision away & I can never underestimate how compelling drugs can be when I'm in a bad mood. I need to find a way to not just press the "fuck it" button when I wake up one day in the near future feeling depressed and pessimistic.

Back to work on the 13th July. Kind of ambivalent about it at the moment - it could be good for me to have the structure back, and it provides a really salient reason to not relapse between now & then, but part of me wants more time without the responsibility to build a stronger foundation of sobriety, but it is what it is - if I have to go back to work, so be it - I'll try and make the best of it.
 
Good to hear from you brother knew you had relapsed felt so good to see a notification bell from you. This time was quite a while was just hoping to see you ok before I head back for a few months or longer makes it one less worry . Before I go back ill take your number and ring you from states I don't go on Bluelight out there for some reason I don't associate the states with heroin so I find it easier that way. Never get too complacent its always good to know a fuck up can come out the blue.
 
hey rio how you getting on? feeling ready to face work? having something to structure your day may help. are you surviving without your phone or bank card? i've learned in lockdown that i can go days without checking my phone. i know my bank details by heart cos i used to transfer money to people all the time when i'd hit my daily withdrawal limit when i was using, so not having a bank card wasn't an impediment to me using. luckily never got robbed that way.

tbh i feel a bit like pressing the fuckit button right now. so fucking tired. so fucking done with my fucking job. i had a dream where my boss had got away with literal murder last night, cos the police had fucked up with the key piece of physical evidence and made it inadmissible in court. i don't really wanna use but just want something to be different.
 
Hi everyone. Thanks for the messages. Not doing too great.

Good to hear from you brother knew you had relapsed felt so good to see a notification bell from you. This time was quite a while was just hoping to see you ok before I head back for a few months or longer makes it one less worry . Before I go back ill take your number and ring you from states I don't go on Bluelight out there for some reason I don't associate the states with heroin so I find it easier that way. Never get too complacent its always good to know a fuck up can come out the blue.

Too right about it coming out of nowhere. I fucked up the evening after I last updated this thread. Thankfully it only lasted 2 days, and I'm on day 4 again now. I feel really depressed & bored but I'm still fighting to get the sobriety that I know I need. I know if I spend a little bit of time away from it then it will get easier and easier. That'd be great to get your phone number before you go as well man. How is it being the father of a baby again???

hey rio how you getting on? feeling ready to face work? having something to structure your day may help. are you surviving without your phone or bank card? i've learned in lockdown that i can go days without checking my phone. i know my bank details by heart cos i used to transfer money to people all the time when i'd hit my daily withdrawal limit when i was using, so not having a bank card wasn't an impediment to me using. luckily never got robbed that way.

tbh i feel a bit like pressing the fuckit button right now. so fucking tired. so fucking done with my fucking job. i had a dream where my boss had got away with literal murder last night, cos the police had fucked up with the key piece of physical evidence and made it inadmissible in court. i don't really wanna use but just want something to be different.

Chinup! I hope you didn't press that fuckit button did you? I've felt so close so many times. After my last update when I was on day 7, that night I decided to take 20mg of diazepam I had left over to "relax and forget my cravings". What a stupid fucking idea. The valium effects came on (can't even call it a high) and it disinhibited me - and what's my main inhibition right now?! Against taking hard drugs! That inhibition dissolved away and I relapsed. Spent 2 days on it but then thankfully the comedown/WD hit at the same time I ran out of money and when it got into full swing I didn't have the energy to try and source any more. Trying to re-stabilize on my subs now. It's fucking hard but I'm still trying.

I'm doing fine without the phone/bank card. Got a phone call from my manager last week that actually they're pushing the re-opening date back again based on the experiences of the US cinemas, so it may be a little while before I'm actually back at work. I'm more than happy with that situation - I need some time to get my head back together before going back. An 8 hour shift has provided the flimsy mental justification for me to relapse more than enough times, so I need some time and strength before I go back. If I'm told I'm due back in the next week or 2 I may tell them I have covid and have to self-isolate for 14 days just to get the time to get my shit together fully.

Today I did something positive though - I was having cravings and actually called somebody instead of acting on them. My friend from SMART suggested I just try and get out my flat, which I did - I went with my Mum to a garage and then shopping. Not exactly exciting stuff but it got me out of my head, and I'm going to take a walk to a nature reserve now I think. I find that changing my environment can really help with the cravings, and talking about them always helps.
 
Hi everyone. Thanks for the messages. Not doing too great.



Too right about it coming out of nowhere. I fucked up the evening after I last updated this thread. Thankfully it only lasted 2 days, and I'm on day 4 again now. I feel really depressed & bored but I'm still fighting to get the sobriety that I know I need. I know if I spend a little bit of time away from it then it will get easier and easier. That'd be great to get your phone number before you go as well man. How is it being the father of a baby again???



Chinup! I hope you didn't press that fuckit button did you? I've felt so close so many times. After my last update when I was on day 7, that night I decided to take 20mg of diazepam I had left over to "relax and forget my cravings". What a stupid fucking idea. The valium effects came on (can't even call it a high) and it disinhibited me - and what's my main inhibition right now?! Against taking hard drugs! That inhibition dissolved away and I relapsed. Spent 2 days on it but then thankfully the comedown/WD hit at the same time I ran out of money and when it got into full swing I didn't have the energy to try and source any more. Trying to re-stabilize on my subs now. It's fucking hard but I'm still trying.

I'm doing fine without the phone/bank card. Got a phone call from my manager last week that actually they're pushing the re-opening date back again based on the experiences of the US cinemas, so it may be a little while before I'm actually back at work. I'm more than happy with that situation - I need some time to get my head back together before going back. An 8 hour shift has provided the flimsy mental justification for me to relapse more than enough times, so I need some time and strength before I go back. If I'm told I'm due back in the next week or 2 I may tell them I have covid and have to self-isolate for 14 days just to get the time to get my shit together fully.

Today I did something positive though - I was having cravings and actually called somebody instead of acting on them. My friend from SMART suggested I just try and get out my flat, which I did - I went with my Mum to a garage and then shopping. Not exactly exciting stuff but it got me out of my head, and I'm going to take a walk to a nature reserve now I think. I find that changing my environment can really help with the cravings, and talking about them always helps.
How you doing bro. I know how hard it is and the sheer boredom and depression is what makes staying of the gear so fucking hard. But you just have to get through it once you do it gets so much easier. I won't lie I do pregabs once a week ma 900 mg but that's it and I feel good most days. And the further away from using you get the less the appeal it has. Someone on here posted how gear is how we relax and that's so true. But you need to keep yourself busy for the first few months get over that bit and you will feel better. Being a dad again brilliant my brother. And being clean this time is so much better. Can't wait to hold her in my arms not long now once I get this month out the way I will be gone until Christmas or after the new year. Keep yourself busy mate take walks help your mum even everyday things like shopping with your mum must have felt better.
 
How you doing bro. I know how hard it is and the sheer boredom and depression is what makes staying of the gear so fucking hard. But you just have to get through it once you do it gets so much easier. I won't lie I do pregabs once a week ma 900 mg but that's it and I feel good most days. And the further away from using you get the less the appeal it has. Someone on here posted how gear is how we relax and that's so true. But you need to keep yourself busy for the first few months get over that bit and you will feel better. Being a dad again brilliant my brother. And being clean this time is so much better. Can't wait to hold her in my arms not long now once I get this month out the way I will be gone until Christmas or after the new year. Keep yourself busy mate take walks help your mum even everyday things like shopping with your mum must have felt better.

It did man, yeah! I go crazy cooped up in my flat and that's when the cravings get to me, so just getting out helps. Just took a walk down to a nature reserve by me, and now that I've got back from that my cravings have eased up. I really need to get out this cycle - haven't done more than 7 days clean since April. I have to make it stick this time, my life is passing me by.

That's awesome you get to raise your daughter and be clean for it all this time! How come you can't see her at the moment?
 
It did man, yeah! I go crazy cooped up in my flat and that's when the cravings get to me, so just getting out helps. Just took a walk down to a nature reserve by me, and now that I've got back from that my cravings have eased up. I really need to get out this cycle - haven't done more than 7 days clean since April. I have to make it stick this time, my life is passing me by.

That's awesome you get to raise your daughter and be clean for it all this time! How come you can't see her at the moment?
They back in the states I been here for months. First got stuck because of COVID now just want to find out about making my youngest a UK citizen. All my kids and wife duel nationals of the UK and US but this my first child in the US . Think she automatically qualifies for British citizenship because I was from start and my wife took on UK nationality when we moved here and became eligible. Not seen my family since February but this where I got the business with cousin so will always be back and forth. My family was meant to be coming here for a month but now decided we come down after Christmas hopefully everything be back to normal. You have to get out of the relapse cycle I know how hard it is to believe me but at the moment you going through all the pain of detox and recovery than going back to start it all again. Have you thought of moving back home for say 6 months sign on and just concentrate on your recovery. Work brings its own pressures and if your mom agrees just move back. I know its easy for me to say I got lucky with my business but 6 months now will be better for your future. How bad is your detox after a few days on it i found even a few days relapse had some kind of withdrawal with it
 
They back in the states I been here for months. First got stuck because of COVID now just want to find out about making my youngest a UK citizen. All my kids and wife duel nationals of the UK and US but this my first child in the US . Think she automatically qualifies for British citizenship because I was from start and my wife took on UK nationality when we moved here and became eligible. Not seen my family since February but this where I got the business with cousin so will always be back and forth. My family was meant to be coming here for a month but now decided we come down after Christmas hopefully everything be back to normal. You have to get out of the relapse cycle I know how hard it is to believe me but at the moment you going through all the pain of detox and recovery than going back to start it all again. Have you thought of moving back home for say 6 months sign on and just concentrate on your recovery. Work brings its own pressures and if your mom agrees just move back. I know its easy for me to say I got lucky with my business but 6 months now will be better for your future. How bad is your detox after a few days on it i found even a few days relapse had some kind of withdrawal with it

thanks for the suggestion, but my mum wouldn't let me move back home. Too many bad memories from when I was using - she's very supportive but that's her line, and I can respect that. Thankfully I'm taking 2mg subutex a day, so the detox is mostly mental - I'm only 4 days in but all the physical issues have gone, the subutex takes care of that.

Do you ever still have cravings mate??? How long have you been sober now?
 
thanks for the suggestion, but my mum wouldn't let me move back home. Too many bad memories from when I was using - she's very supportive but that's her line, and I can respect that. Thankfully I'm taking 2mg subutex a day, so the detox is mostly mental - I'm only 4 days in but all the physical issues have gone, the subutex takes care of that.

Do you ever still have cravings mate??? How long have you been sober now?
That the thing with addiction we hurt so many people I'm so lucky I could support my habit fuck knows how I would have got my gear if not. But you still lucky your mom supports you I hear so many stories about how people have burnt all their bridges and how long it took them after getting clean to win trust back. I do not count my clean time but it's defo a year now I know it around June July my last relapse. I find it easier without counting because after six week clean mark I used to convince myself I can reward myself with a day of using but never ends up being just one day. I still crave every now and again but the longer you go the less intense the cravings. I have come too far now to feel as good as I do to fuck it up. I know I could still fuck up have to always be aware of that. But getting off the gear hurt so bad and took so long to get to this point I'm terrified of having to do that all again. Me and you are very similar with how we abuse and relapse from gear the only difference I never iv it so lucky with that. But that is why I know you will get there eventually . Have you ever thought about going back into study . You are very smart can tell that how old are you bruv
 
glad you're back on the wagon rio. well done for phoning someone, and actually taking their advice. i'm terrible at both things. would you consider trying to get back into rehab? given the circumstances i'm glad you're not back in work yet, probably best from public safety perspective. what happened in cinemas in the states? loads of people being wankers or new outbreaks?

i haven't pressed the fuckit button. what you said about valium really hit me. i've been starting to basically plan to try and get hold of some benzos and totally glossing over the risk. i just wanna not feel the way i'm feeling. i'm on my own in my house for the first time in a long time. today was the first time i went shopping coming back to an empty house and there was a load of people waitng to score on my way to lidl and it nearly killed me. i felt pins and needles and dizzy in the shop just anxious about what to do, hoping they'd have been served by the time i was on my way back. they had been thank fuck. was sort of hating myself about the prospect of failing the first time i left the house on my own.

started to feel a bit better when i got home, then had a meeting and my boss was an arsehole and now i feel fucking low again.
 
That the thing with addiction we hurt so many people I'm so lucky I could support my habit fuck knows how I would have got my gear if not. But you still lucky your mom supports you I hear so many stories about how people have burnt all their bridges and how long it took them after getting clean to win trust back. I do not count my clean time but it's defo a year now I know it around June July my last relapse. I find it easier without counting because after six week clean mark I used to convince myself I can reward myself with a day of using but never ends up being just one day. I still crave every now and again but the longer you go the less intense the cravings. I have come too far now to feel as good as I do to fuck it up. I know I could still fuck up have to always be aware of that. But getting off the gear hurt so bad and took so long to get to this point I'm terrified of having to do that all again. Me and you are very similar with how we abuse and relapse from gear the only difference I never iv it so lucky with that. But that is why I know you will get there eventually . Have you ever thought about going back into study . You are very smart can tell that how old are you bruv

I'm really lucky that I still have my family - sounds like you are too! And yeah, it never is just one day. One day leads to two, which leads to a week, and there's always consequences, and I always feel awful when I have to stop again. A whole year though!! I gotta hand it to you man. It was your thread that inspired me to start my own, and you were back and forth for so long, but it seems like you've really cracked it this time. I keep getting a place sorted for uni and then cancelling it after relapsing. I'm 27, but still feel 19!

glad you're back on the wagon rio. well done for phoning someone, and actually taking their advice. i'm terrible at both things. would you consider trying to get back into rehab? given the circumstances i'm glad you're not back in work yet, probably best from public safety perspective. what happened in cinemas in the states? loads of people being wankers or new outbreaks?

i haven't pressed the fuckit button. what you said about valium really hit me. i've been starting to basically plan to try and get hold of some benzos and totally glossing over the risk. i just wanna not feel the way i'm feeling. i'm on my own in my house for the first time in a long time. today was the first time i went shopping coming back to an empty house and there was a load of people waitng to score on my way to lidl and it nearly killed me. i felt pins and needles and dizzy in the shop just anxious about what to do, hoping they'd have been served by the time i was on my way back. they had been thank fuck. was sort of hating myself about the prospect of failing the first time i left the house on my own.

started to feel a bit better when i got home, then had a meeting and my boss was an arsehole and now i feel fucking low again.

I'm usually awful at phoning people as well, had to force myself to do it today because I know there's a virtual meeting tomorrow and I didn't want to go in again and say that I STILL haven't reached out to anyone. It was surprisingly helpful!

At the Odeons in America coronavirus was confirmed in multiple different cinemas, which had to close, which had the ripple effect of delaying the release date for the new films that were meant to come out, so considering all that they've decided to delay the re-opening, even though legally I think they could right now if they wanted to. All for the best I suppose.

And yeah, benzos turned out to be an awful idea for me, but then again they've only ever been good for me to get rid of comedowns. I don't know what I expected from them on their own when I'm trying to get sober. The moment I could feel the valium working I was dying for a speedball, and immediately started planning how to get one. If you're close to saying "fuck it" already then benzos may just push you over the edge!! I'd really recommend you try and get through this without them. How long have you been clean now?? And good job for not giving in!! It seems like you have met & resisted so much temptation already. You're really doing amazing chinup.


I've noticed the only thing that gives me a hint of excitement or joy is if I start thinking about relapse. Everything other than that just seems tedious and dull and monotonous and depressing to contemplate. However, I am reminding myself that this is just part of the process, and if I stick it out I know the reasons to keep sticking it out will make themselves apparent.
 
Thanks, bruv yea I never thought I would do it. Honestly, there were a few times I thought fuck it leave my family and just accept this my life but the love of my family and you and ash on here kept me going. Detox and recovery just strips you of whatever you think you are and because I functioned on gear I just wanted to be normal or what I thought was normal again. But the truth is needing a drug to get out of bed and to function is not normal its the complete opposite. But the mind and body is such a resilient thing it does heal. That was not living its neither awake nor asleep you walk around in a haze. Everything runs on your drug clock that's the big difference from cocaine and heroin on cocaine I could stop sleep it off and then start again but heroin doesn't let you stop and sleep it off. You need it just like a car needs fuel like you now I was sick of it. Life is so much better this side of the fence like I said before you will get through this which you will it makes you so much mentally stronger. You too far into to just give up and settle for being an addict. You will get there just like I did it may seem now you on a cycle of relapse and recovery but it will click. And you will come out the other side so much stronger you young my brother . Some part of the reason you still feel 19 is becuse on the gear your life stands still 6 months off your life clean will make such a difference trust me bruv.
 
Life standing still!! So true @yubacity The sense of lost time astounds me. I need to get a grip on this before I wake up one day at 50, wishing I'd done it all differently. That thought strikes terror into me, so I need to try get a grip on this now while i can. How long was it till you felt like you weren't struggling so much?? When did it get easier?
 
Life standing still!! So true @yubacity The sense of lost time astounds me. I need to get a grip on this before I wake up one day at 50, wishing I'd done it all differently. That thought strikes terror into me, so I need to try get a grip on this now while i can. How long was it till you felt like you weren't struggling so much?? When did it get easier?
That's what I'm saying you still young don't have happened to you what happened to me wake up after nearly 3 decades of drug abuse and know you never get your youth back its like a punch to the gut. I was ok after a couple of solid months of being clean after 6 months I remember I was walking to shops and I felt this release I swear I felt it like I had been held back and released after that the cravings got less intense. After 2 months the depression starts to lift and the gloom and doom feeling gets less. Now a year in the cravings have lost their intensity I got no anxiety even first thing in the morning I feel good bruv.
 
That's what I'm saying you still young don't have happened to you what happened to me wake up after nearly 3 decades of drug abuse and know you never get your youth back its like a punch to the gut. I was ok after a couple of solid months of being clean after 6 months I remember I was walking to shops and I felt this release I swear I felt it like I had been held back and released after that the cravings got less intense. After 2 months the depression starts to lift and the gloom and doom feeling gets less. Now a year in the cravings have lost their intensity I got no anxiety even first thing in the morning I feel good bruv.

That's encouraging man! It's great to see you doing so well. I bet your wife couldn't be happier.

I'm feeling a little better today. It's day 5 (day 4 if I count the cotton-wash I did) and I am starting to be slightly released from the depression. I am trying to steel myself for day 7, since that is where I've relapsed countless times over these past months. It always happens in the evening - the daytime is usually OK, but then by the time the evening comes around the depression intensifies, and then I start getting the jolts of excitement at the thought of relapse, and then I start planning it, and then I'm committed to it. I am going to try some different methods to get through it this time. The main one is just contacting people. It always sounded so simple, and by the time I was really on the verge of relapse I didn't want to contact anyone since I didn't want to be talked out of it, so now I'm just getting into the habit of contacting people even when I have mild cravings, so that when more intense ones come I will automatically reach out to somebody.

Like I said, I tried contacting someone for the first time yesterday and they gave me a great suggestion and got my mind totally off my cravings. The second thing I'm going to try is just getting out my flat - whether it's a walk around the block, a bus journey to a nearby city or a walk to a nature reserve/park/whatever - I found yesterday that just the process of changing my environment was more effective than I thought it would be, and by the time I was back my cravings had died down.

I'm going to update this thread regularly just to give myself that extra bit of accountability. I don't want to be updating this in two weeks to report that i'm just a few days in again after failing again!!
 
I remember those jolts of excitement than getting the gear fucking speeding home to use. The way I got out of relapsing is not remembering the time clean and recognizing the steps my brain would take to relapse. First, the thought that I feel so shit no way I should put up with it then ill just use today get my sleep in then not use than the excitement of not having to spend the day feeling like shit . You break those links to relapse it does wonders talk to someone go for a walk not anywhere you can score but a park shop anywhere. I alaways first justified a relapse once you stop the first step alot of the work done
 
getting into a change of environment if you associate being at home with using is definitely a good idea. the associations between places and using are very strong.

i totally get not wanting to contact people when you're already on the verge of relapse, it is too late by then. so yes, if you can then picking up the phone when you're feeling in mild danger is a great idea to get in the habit so you can hopefully avert the really dangerous ones in advance.

i have been in recovery close to 2 years now. so fucking tired today that i'm not even pretending to try and work.
 
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