What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[indigoaura]

@Wilson Wilson

You are using the term, "monged out," differently than we used the term. What you are describing here, "I can feel all these physical sensations and mental euphoria all at once so all I wanna do is rub my hands along my hair and over my skin because it just feels good and I can do that for what feels like hours" sounds like a good roll. That is how MDMA often hit me with a good pill. Sometimes it was overwhelming and there was a "I need to sit down for a minute" sensation. The need to rub my hands on my clothes, through my hair, or on my body was characteristic of a really good pill.

Everything else you describe, "I always get the urge to stick my headphones on because music sounds absolutely fucking amazing, I wanna hug everyone, I literally walked through stingy nettle and didn't notice because it just felt good at the time. Then I tell my mates I love them and ring up everyone in my phone if no one is around IRL" also describes an excellent roll.

When I use the term monged out, it does not mean any of those things. It means you are spaced out in more of a benzo sense. You are staring straight ahead and laying or sitting. You can't be bothered to get up or talk to your mates, or change the music playing. It is not the desirable loved up outcome where you are rubbing all over everything and everyone and hugging strangers.

 

[user666]

no lol 280 mg of mdma is cheap these days rather

"These days" ? are you comparing prices "these days" to "the other days" ...like in other decades ?
Because if you are it is an apples to oranges comparison.
I was comparing the price of 280mg in 2020 to the price of 100mg in 2020....not other decades !

than selling a whole gram alone not pressed.

Are you comparing the cost of MDMA HCl powder to tabletted MDMA HCl ?
...Because if you are it still does not mean that a 280mg tablet is cheaper than a 100mg tablet.

My whole point was that it does not make sense for them to make MORE EXPENSIVE 280mg tablets when 100mg would have been enough AND CHEAPER....unless they are compensating for low quality with a higher dose.

Pressing them into pills makes them. x4 the profit.

That may be but that only proves that MDMA Hcl in tabletted form is more expensive than powdered MDMA HCl.
Still, the lower dosed pills are cheaper to produce than a larger dosed pills, thus smaller pills generate more profit per mg of MDMA HCl, so there is no economical incentive to increase the dose.

MDMA is the cheapest drug to make on this planet its sells at wholesale for way less than weed.

Really!? What about the production cost of Meth ?

 

[user666]

1. Massive doses may be a marketing arms race.

Yes, that might be but that assumes that profitability is less important than marketing.

3. If MDMA is manufactured by the tonne, the lab can easily end up with more than they can sell.

It can happen, but such phenomenon would be periodic and I do not see waves of highly dosed pills. I see a steady supply of them.

 

[Negi]

Yes, that might be but that assumes that profitability is less important than marketing.

The high dosed pills are still extremely profitable because of how cheap the MDMA is for the people making them. Plus you can sell what is known to be a high dosed pill for more than one that's a lower dose. No dealer is going to buy your 100mg pills for the same price they can get 250mg pills for. Here's an article from 2015 explaining it all: https://dancesafe.org/why-are-ecstasy-pills-so-strong-at-the-moment/

So why are such strong pills in circulation? Well, our sources say that the crew making these is based in the Netherlands and are the people responsible for creating some of the strongest pills to be found in recent years.
Known as the Partyflock or Q-dance crew, other pills in their portfolio include the Q-Dance, Defqon, Speakers, Ferraris, Partyflock, Android, Tri-Force, and more recently Heinekens and Gold Bars. The next pill in the series will apparently be Red UPS (all that means is some new food colouring in the mix).
Partyflock is a social network that is relatively unknown outside of the Netherlands, and Q-Dance is a Dutch producer of music festivals both in NL and abroad. There is no connection between these legitimate organisations and the pressers of these pills, who have hijacked these brand logos.
This crew takes pride in producing premium, hard-to-fake pills in new shapes and sizes and colours, usually containing extremely large doses of very pure MDMA. Dutch users who know the ‘brand’ tend to use just quarters or halves initially.
The ‘£10 mega pill’ has been doing the rounds for a good few summers now but the tablets that are now being produced are super-strong because there is more MDMA around in the EU at the moment than there has been for years. Prices are also dropping lower than ever, with grams available at retail level for £25-£40 and ounce prices dropping below £500. Looking further up the supply chain, kilogrammes are cheaper than they have been in years, at around £8,000, and there is a glut of the drug all across Europe.
That’s because of precursor innovation – new ways to make MDMA have been found, as one ecstasy chemist who worked in a Dutch lab told me. Dutch chemists have found a new recipe – they are using a chemical called PMK-Glycidate, which is legal, rather than PMK, which is banned, as the main ingredient. That has translated into higher-dosed, purer pills all across the EU.
Pills of this quality are sold at higher prices than lower-dosed counterparts, and the Dutch team making them know that by making stronger pills than anyone else, they stay ahead of the competition. They release eye-catching pills in never-before seen shapes and sizes, with huge doses of MDMA, and corner the market for a few weeks – at which point copies arrive and the team release a new, novel shape and colour. But beware, these counterfeit pills will be from a different manufacturer and will vary in quality.

Note that current European MDMA prices are even lower than the 2015 prices in the article.

 

[draculic acid69]

I've seen many reports claiming that half a Q-Dance pill (~120mg of MDMA) almost made them floored, so I wouldn't take a whole one.

I don't know if it's a sign of "MagicMDMA" to get floored while rolling, but I think such a low dose (compared to the doses needed with the worst "Meh" samples) says a good thing about Q-Dance pills.

I can't get on board with the whole 200+mg mdma in one pill thing.a pill
should be 100mg mdma.a single dose.
Imagine someone who has never had a pill taking 280mg of good mdma.puking blacking out and possibly ending up in the drunktank or a psych ward are possible.anymore than a single dose per pill is dangerous.not everyone is going to know to only have half.

 

[draculic acid69]

@TripSitterNZ You are making a lot of claims without backing evidence. "Even decades ago some pressed pills would have up to 200-300 mg mdma."

When you browse the testing results from the early 00s, that is not what you see. The total weight of the whole pill might be 300 mg, but about half of that is binder. Just go to ecstasydata.org and run a search for 1999-2003.

Example: these were some of the best pills I did...

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #62 - Diamond, -1

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result

www.ecstasydata.org

All the pills I used to get were between
280-330mg weight containing ~100mg
mdma.the only time this varied was mbdp pills which had ~140mg in them.
the pills still weighed between 280-330mg each.

 

[draculic acid69]

@wilsonwilson
I have the exact same question. Can you compare qdance to either pure white MDMA powder, like what the OP describes, or to MDMA of >10 years ago (1985-2007)?

@wilsonwilson.
I also considered the possibility that OP's Teslas may have been fake, but he says "I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA." What do you make of that? By the way Teslas and Supremes are C|P. US actually gets lots of Dutch presses, just never those two color qdances so it probably isn't due to US Customs.

@user666
1. Massive doses may be a marketing arms race. All pills are 120 to begin with. Then one lab puts out a 250mg pill for the same price. Buyers feel that the stronger pill is a better value for their money and snap it up. Other labs have to up the dose to keep up. And so on. A pill becomes infamous for the media warnings about how strong it is. Unsophisticated buyers seek it out. And a maker producing 100mg magic pills loses business.

2. Legal angle: if you're caught with two pills, you may be a charged as a dealer. A half a pill seems "safer" in that way

3. If MDMA is manufactured by the tonne, the lab can easily end up with more than they can sell. Lower demand than anticipated. Happens with every other product. They can't store it (space,risk) and they can't destroy it the way farmers destroy extra product (shows up in the water and they get caught). So they have to press more into each pill. It becomes an out valve for overproduction.

Firstly two pills will not get u a trafficking rap where half won't.
Secondly noone with 100mg magic
pills won't bounce back after maybe losing some business.itll be temporary
as if large amounts of shit r your competition u need not worry.secondly
excess mdma has never been a problem.burying it is not risky.if u have already made a ton of mdma storing some is not much more of a risk.why would anyone destroy excess product unless the cops are on your ass? There will always be demand again in the future. U made some very stupid points.

 

[indigoaura]

I can't get on board with the whole 200+mg mdma in one pill thing.a pill
should be 100mg mdma.a single dose.
Imagine someone who has never had a pill taking 280mg of good mdma.puking blacking out and possibly ending up in the drunktank or a psych ward are possible.anymore than a single dose per pill is dangerous.not everyone is going to know to only have half.

And this is why I find it suspicious. I don't think manufacturers would risk the type of negative publicity likely to result from newbies taking the whole pill and getting hospitalized. Can you imagine someone deciding to "double drop?" If it is regular MDMA that is functioning like MDMA should, then 280 mg in a pill is dangerous. Not everyone is going to know to half the pill.

 

[Wilson Wilson]

@Wilson Wilson

You are using the term, "monged out," differently than we used the term. What you are describing here, "I can feel all these physical sensations and mental euphoria all at once so all I wanna do is rub my hands along my hair and over my skin because it just feels good and I can do that for what feels like hours" sounds like a good roll. That is how MDMA often hit me with a good pill. Sometimes it was overwhelming and there was a "I need to sit down for a minute" sensation. The need to rub my hands on my clothes, through my hair, or on my body was characteristic of a really good pill.

Everything else you describe, "I always get the urge to stick my headphones on because music sounds absolutely fucking amazing, I wanna hug everyone, I literally walked through stingy nettle and didn't notice because it just felt good at the time. Then I tell my mates I love them and ring up everyone in my phone if no one is around IRL" also describes an excellent roll.

When I use the term monged out, it does not mean any of those things. It means you are spaced out in more of a benzo sense. You are staring straight ahead and laying or sitting. You can't be bothered to get up or talk to your mates, or change the music playing. It is not the desirable loved up outcome where you are rubbing all over everything and everyone and hugging strangers.

Yeah there was a miscommunication so I explained exactly what I meant. When I say monged out I mean not overly energetic so you just feel the dopamine, but a strong serotonin hit where you feel chilled and loved up. Some MD feels more energetic and I don't rate that too highly because if I wanted to just be stimmed I'd take regular amphetamine wouldn't I? So when I feel all calm and rolling around on the carpet because everything feels good I call that "monged out" as opposed to being stimulated from too much dopamine not enough serotonin.

I agree it was an excellent roll. In fact the exact roll I'm remembering here was on my birthday with some good mates so it was especially good to me.

I remember we were in a restaurant and I was just rolling my face around and running my hands through my hair, then when the waitress came over to ask if we needed anything I apparently turned completely normal and said "nah we're good thanks" then when she walked away I went back to being all on drugs again haha.

Then on the way home after they left I walked through nettles and just thought I was rubbing against some leaves, didn't notice until the next morning when I had scratches all up my arm!

Other main thing that sticks in my head, which was a bit weird, is the next day my left eye was pointing to the right all day. I've had that happen a couple times since after good MD. No idea why. Curious if it's happened to anyone else here actually.

Good to know that what I've described sounds like the early stuff. The pill I took on that particular occasion was an M&M pill by Q-Dance. This is why I rank them so highly. Some of my best rolls on those.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

The skittles with NL stamps i believe are also q-dance are highly rated here as a import 270 mg mdma with a half line break line. The fact is that everybody that sells pressies usually warns people to only take half if they not use to high dose pressed pills.

But for experinced users i have double dropped 300 mg mdma pills and i have seen my friend eat 3 of them once while on mushrooms and still live to the tell the tale.

In very heavy mdma users i use to see my friend eat half a gram + every friday night.


Hell i believe in ireland everybody does 0.5 g bombs. People die from mdma if they are usually too young and have consumed 1 gram + in a single dose but i could care less if somebody wins themselves the darwin award in the age of the internet by forgoing all harm reduction its on the person who died not the pill makers.

 

[sassyfrass]

But all this brings us back to the OP, who was indeed disappointed by modern pills, as compared to his very pure Shulgin-style MDMA from San Francisco. Theories?

Here is Le Junk's opinion that started this thread. His magicDMA does not seem to have active impurities and is probably not Leuckart.

"
LeJunk (April 2016): I'm 51 years old and started doing ecstasy the last year it was legal in 1985. Needless to say the legal ecstasy from the so called "Dallas Group" was nothing short of spectacular. In 1988 I made a connection with someone from the San Francisco area who was in the production field of making MDMA. I have maintained that friendship and connection ever since with only small periods of downtime. The MDMA I get from him is an extremely fine bleach white crystalline powder that is fluffy and lays just like snow. The high from this MDMA takes about 10-15 minutes to take effect and the high is always the same. An extremely smooth come up followed by excessive love and empathy. You will literally melt into the person you're with and sex is out of this world. Touch and feel is heavenly. All you want to do is touch and feel on the person youre with and tell them how beautiful they are and how much you love them etc. There are massive eye wiggles and conversation flows like new born buddas. The come down is just as smooth as the come up. It drops you off just like a feather and sleep comes like a baby. The next day is nothing short of spectacular. You wake up feeling anti-depressed and chatty. You'll want to talk on the phone, visit friends or just drive around and enjoy the day with the top down. It's all I've ever known as an MDMA experience.

Now that brings me to modern day MDMA. There was a period back in the early 2000's when my connection was down and I scored pills from a local guy. They were great and with some very small exceptions, nearly as good as my crystalline powder. But once again I've been forced to score something locally and the stuff is just plain crap. And I mean crap. I've done both the orange Tesla's and the red Supremes. Absolutely awful, but from reading the trip reports on Pillreports, you would have thought they were the best ever. They're actually anything but. I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA.

Both of them took about 30-40 minutes to kick in and when they did, there was a slight feeling of euphoria and empathy that quickly faded and from there on out it was just a fucked up buzz. There were eye wiggles, but I wasn't feeling good when they were happening. I became extremely tired and kind of gacked out. The high from these pills seemed to last forever, maybe just because they sucked so much. I felt like a crackhead on the comedown and the next day felt like a bad MDA hangover. There was no next day afterglow at all. Just a= different kind of fucked up than the night before. And that lasted the entire next day. There is a HUGE giveaway that youre doing todays crappy MDMA. Your pupils will not dialate all the way to the very edge like old school ecstasy. With old school ecstasy your pupils consume literally all of the color in your eye with only a microscopic sliver of color left around the outer edge. With modern day ecstasy your pupils will only dialate to slightly beyond normal if at all. Thats a big giveaway youre doing new school MDMA junk. "

THIS

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

The skittles with NL stamps i believe are also q-dance are highly rated here as a import 270 mg mdma with a half line break line. The fact is that everybody that sells pressies usually warns people to only take half if they not use to high dose pressed pills.

But for experinced users i have double dropped 300 mg mdma pills and i have seen my friend eat 3 of them once while on mushrooms and still live to the tell the tale.

In very heavy mdma users i use to see my friend eat half a gram + every friday night.


Hell i believe in ireland everybody does 0.5 g bombs. People die from mdma if they are usually too young and have consumed 1 gram + in a single dose but i could care less if somebody wins themselves the darwin award in the age of the internet by forgoing all harm reduction its on the person who died not the pill makers.

I think you could be inadvertently supporting our concerns about modern MDMA. Even experienced users shouldn't need to be 'double dropping 300mg pills', or doing '0.5g bombs'. Plus the fact that many people die from doing much less than this. Forgoing Harm reduction is very much on the heads of the pill makers who are stuffing ridiculous doses of substandard MDMA in their pills...

 

[mars2025]

U made some very stupid points.

I've made many in my life In this case, point 3 was wrong/stupid. Point 2 was poorly phrased but accurate and I just edited my post to reflect that. Point 1 was pretty much spot on as that Mixmag article said.
Regardless of how we may feel about the risk and ethics of megapills, the most likely explanation is that it's a matter of competitive marketing. I think that trying to use megadose as evidence of poor quality would be barking up the wrong tree. There are some 120mg Dutch pills today. Would we believe them to be better quality? And were Dutch pills better 10 years ago before megapills?

Indigo's angle with chem analysis and more user experiences is the way to go imo. My gf took tiny 70-80mg chips off the 250mg pill and they work the same as 70-80mg chips off a smaller pill

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I think you could be inadvertently supporting our concerns about modern MDMA. Even experienced users shouldn't need to be 'double dropping 300mg pills', or doing '0.5g bombs'. Plus the fact that many people die from doing much less than this. Forgoing Harm reduction is very much on the heads of the pill makers who are stuffing ridiculous doses of substandard MDMA in their pills...

No heavy drug users are eating this much almost daily for a reason since they love it so much. Your tolerance starts to go up aswell. If your eating half a gram of mdma its for one reason only its go so fucking deep it becomes another experince of time wrapping inside your own mind of the craziest realistic visuals you could experince. Proper care taken to keep your body tempature in check and a proper setting means a person wont die. I have never seen anybody die from less. The thing is that these pills are not substandard. 100 mg of mdma is a good roll but those who eat upwards of 300 mg do it for a reason for the heavy drug culture of pushing the limits and seeing how fucked up you can get.

I personally love the mdma visuals that become so strong the melting into the oneness of the universe that can be on par with LSD but without the darkness and potential of hell visuals.

People were eating upwards of 50 + pills in the late 90s and early 2000s on a 3 day weekend binge who use to sell it. So it was even worse back then than it is today. Idk anybody would of just ate one pill back then it was usually 3-5 over the night.

People either hung out with some very boring people who didn't do this or maybe smarter people who didn't want to kill every last braincell they had.

the point of high dose mdma rolls is to go beyond and get in touch with the ultimate oneness and love of the entire universe and maybe hit on some NOS on top of it for straight ego death the easy bliss happy way.

 

[mars2025]

I had a 7 year break from ecstasy and when I started again 2 years ago it was qdance pills. They are strong yes but I get no loved up, no association with music, no empathy, just feel heavily drugged all the time so although they are the "strongest" pills and consistent with it, they are NOTHING like old skool E. Its not serotonin receptors because I took old skool E and got full magic effects again.

I still buy qdance as they are the "best of a bad lot" but are just very strong meh IMO. There is no midweek suicidal depression from qdance like there used to be from magic pills!

This a very useful report! May I ask you to elaborate?

1. Did you use Dutch pills 7 years ago, before your break from ecstasy, or you used powder? In other words, did Dutch presses ever give you magic effects? This can tell us if 2020 qdance pills differ from pre-2013 Dutch presses.

2. Do you know anything more about the "old skool E" that gave you full magic effects recently? Since you still buy qdance it seems that you don't have a consistent supply of that old skool E.
Was it powder? To the best of your knowledge, was it supposed to be Dutch crystal (same stuff as what goes into the qdance pills), or was it a product of your local lab? Did you know it was old skool E before you took it (like you found your own leftover stash from 7 years ago)? Any observations on color, smell, taste and how those compare to your E from 7 years ago?

 

[rainey]

I don't know who made the pills but let me clear something up. When I say I didn't take E for 7 years that would be between approx. 2009 until 2016 and then I started buying E from DM and the first I bought was blue and white qdance skypes. Then a few I bought were not qdance. I bought both pills and crystal. I noticed that the pills were strong in the sense that it heavily drugged me but there was very little that I recognised there was no loved up feeling, there was no suddenly leaping to your feet and dancing and not even realising you had stood up. I used to rub my face up and down the back of the sofa, I used to moan and groan with ecstasy, and it used to come in wave after wave running through your body. I used to have this contorted grin on my face which made me look ridiculous. I was simply off my face on these modern pills that's all. The qdance pills, when I started buying them, were just a stronger version of these "drugged" effects. Another thing I noticed with qdance was that there was virtually no smell. Where was that stench of aniseed that I used to get from the old pills? The come down was easier. There was no "running the guts out of myself" in the toilet for about 4 days after (that I used to get with old skool pills). None of the suicidal midweek blues either. It was all completely different. Another thing I noticed was that although marquis went black it was not the same sheer black, like ink, I used to get with old skool it was "different". So I started to mention this on forums and a lot of people agreed with me....people who were older like me and had experienced E pre 2009. However a lot of people tried to convince me it was "loss of magic" and I knew it wasn't so that was when I decided to look out an old stash of mine where I had stashed various drugs years ago including blue loveheart pills from about 2006/7. Everything I have said I experienced (with old skool pills) was there. I got all the old magic effects, so I had just proven to myself there was no "loss of magic". The old skool crystal was completely different as well. It used to be £50 per gram whereas now its £5 per gram. Marquis would go ink black, bubble, fizz, and smoke would come from it. Now it just goes black. Old skool mdma would give you this "glass like" euphoria but modern mdma just gives the same effect as with the modern pills. Twice in the past 3 years I have experienced "almost old skool" effects but it only lasted 3/4 minutes and didn't go anywhere. I don't know where the old skool pills came from as I did not buy online, it was local, but I did frequent pillreports.org so it was the same pills that were all over the uk at the time. Misubishi, pacha cherries, Rolex crowns, Sharks, Petrol pumps, Shreks, Pink hearts, blue lovehearts are all ones that come to mind. Past 3 years I have had iphone x, tic tac, blue and white skypes, sprites, Pirelli, brazucas all from qdance. Red levi, orange tesla, Zelda tri shields, black mdma, clear mdma, champagne mdma but all those were not qdance, I think they were dutch, but cannot be certain. When I took my first E after the 7 year break I had no drugs whatsoever for 2 years and no E for at least 7 years.

Even if you only take into consideration the bad effects:-

1. No heavy comedown
2. No midweek blues
3. No chronic diarrhea

This, to me, proves it is not the same drug I am taking. No matter what pills I took, I, and everyone I knew, all had those effects with old skool pills, so why would it change for everyone?

The recipe has been changed.

 

[AutoTripper]

they are actually cheaper and more profit not more expensive lmao. They make way more profit selling pressed pills than raw grams of mdma. Even decades ago some pressed pills would have up to 200-300 mg mdma. If you truly want to know what presses had in them go message shaun atwood or wildman they ran the biggest ecascty importation ring in america in the 90s.

The legendary, original, legit "Double doves"- with a dove on both sides- early to mid nineties- never lucky to take them myself. But good OG Doves were typically
120-130 mg.

I heard from legit sources that the double doors were effectively to proper strong doves in one. Halves well recommended for most except the brutally hardcore and even those would be be affected on an almost life-changing scale I'll in terms of the power and positive impact of the high, dropping whole Double Doves plus.

Apparently you would always be able to tell tell who was on double doves in the club they would stand out like sore thumbs.

So they would have been well over 200mg, like 250 ish.

Also, the legit, original "snowballs" where are officially 200mg of of the purest MDA.

I took them once in 2000, re-releasrd. Powerful pills, really knocked you elsewhere but beautiful and clean as fuck. 3 and a half I took one night and I was in in an absolute Wonderland I had to work the next day at Tesco's store, somehow, rushing and tripping in ecstasy I even took a magnifying glass to work with me to see what I was doing haha on literally the busiest Saturday of the entire year-

crammed like sardines all day in the store.

When I finally got home at 7 p.m. at night Saturday day I still felt absolutely incredible really no come down and not feeling rough or mentally daunted in anyway despite the strenuous day in the straightest environment trying to conceal my mind blowingly hammeredness.

I took many a pill I reckon over 200mg, old days. Here and there.

Shit- sorry, I don't think I even have a point as usual haha just sharing that.

 

[AutoTripper]

no lol 280 mg of mdma is cheap these days rather than selling a whole gram alone not pressed. MDMA is the cheapest drug to make on this planet its sells at wholesale for way less than weed. Pressing them into pills makes them. x4 the profit.


Anyways on a side note MAPS will answer your question in the future with this post https://maps.org/news/bulletin/arti...istry-of-mdma-from-research-to-patient-access

Yeah right, I paid £13 for my two Bowsers, 215--230 mg each.

I hear of £20 MDMA grams in UK often.

And in many other countries including USA prices are even more expensive and I consider that a good price what I got.

 

[Negi]

And this is why I find it suspicious. I don't think manufacturers would risk the type of negative publicity likely to result from newbies taking the whole pill and getting hospitalized. Can you imagine someone deciding to "double drop?" If it is regular MDMA that is functioning like MDMA should, then 280 mg in a pill is dangerous. Not everyone is going to know to half the pill.

Is it negative publicity to their target audience though? Lets look at some of the headlines generated from hospitalizations and lab tests related to high dose pills.

Greater Manchester Police issue warning for super-strength Tesla pills
Warning over super-strength Rolls Royce ecstasy pills circulating at Warehouse Project
Warning over mega-dose Ecstasy pills flooding into New Zealand
Music festivals warn over 'very strong' blue 'Punisher' ecstasy pills that 'can result in death' after two revellers died at Mutiny

"super-strength" "mega-dose" "very strong"
If you are an average consumer used to other recreational drugs (and advertising in general), you generally expect stronger to be better. Headlines that directly mention death might certainly give you pause, but I see the others as positive advertising rather than negative publicity.

 

[AutoTripper]

Taken at face value, these posts could line up with the hypothesis that early illegal product (90s-00s) had active impurities that improved the experience (Leuckart?), and pre-ban/modern product lacks those impurities.

Just to make one point the pressed pills and MDMA powder and Crystal I was taking between 2000 and 2005 was just as magic and and excellent as what I was taking in the 90s if anything better and cleaner and stronger per pill.

There were lots of disappointing and totally un worth while batches going around in those years but lots of really amazing top quality pills as well right up until I stopped in early 2005.