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I think first timers are somewhat likely to be worried and not feel that great especially if around someone saying that it sucks while also on it or if they had heard something similiar prior to taking it. I feel like most peoples second doses of mdma are probably pretty good lol I dunno its been awhile since Ive done it so I am just speculating you guys could certainly be on to something I have had less than the best roles for sure
 
im 100% sure meh is bullshit. I saw randoms on the weekend during white mdma and soon as it kicked in they were huge pupil jaw grinding hugging everybody.

Some people need to come to terms with projecting their own magic loss onto the experience and convincing themselves deeply psychologically somethings wrong is why it ruins their experience. I also know people probably dont like been stared at while they are on drugs and analysed by people. People do their own shit on any drug and dont have to fit into the normal of been a annoying bastard hugging every random stranger instead some people are able to chill and control themselves and just want to chill out in bliss to the music.

At the chemical level no isomers or impurities that would affect the experince are been detected in GCMS so people need to stop grasping at straws and realize it aint the mass production of mdma which is the problem is their own psychological selves and maybe they should just give up on mdma if they have these experinces sinces it no longer for them.
 
user666 said:
Why?
Is citric acid or L-tartaric acid so much more expensive than hydrochloric acid ?
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Yes.and tartaric acid will mean that the isomers will dissolve differently in things like methanol and chloroform separating them during recrystallization.(this is how the isomers are seperated)also sulfuric acid would weigh about the same as tartaric acid per mole.citric weighs more but that would mean instead of needing 100mg per dose of mdmahcl u would need like 250mg mdma citrate.so instead of smuggling 100kilos mdmahcl you'd need to smuggle 250kg mdmacitrate to get the same amount of mdma into the country + there's the cost + availability compared to sulfuric or hydrochloric acid.
 
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draculic acid69 said:
Yes.and tartaric acid will mean that the isomers will dissolve differently in things like methanol and chloroform separating them.
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Don't different isomers have different psychoactive effects ?

draculic acid69 said:
also sulfuric acid would weigh about the same as tartaric acid per mole.citric would be less.
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Does the MDMA base form the Ditartrate salt with the tartaric acid ...or the Monotartrate ?
What about the Dicitrate vs. Monocitrate ?
 
user666 said:
Don't different isomers have different psychoactive effects ?


Does the MDMA base form the Ditartrate salt with the tartaric acid ...or the Monotartrate ?
What about the Dicitrate vs. Monocitrate ?
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Yes the isomers produce different effects so that's a reason it's a stupid thing to do but might explain the meh phenomenon.but I would think that tartaric acid would show up on gcms analysis.as for the monosalt and disalts they can both be formed.it would be best to stick to one mole base to one mole acid.
 
I think a lot of it has to do with one's milieu. In my experience, if you're a student getting drugs from other students or you just run in younger, more tech-savvy circles then there's a really good chance that the drugs you're taking came from the darknet at some point fairly recently into the supply chain. That is if the person you're a buying it from didn't order it themselves. There have been times where I've wanted something in a pinch or not enough of something to justify ordering it or whatever and I've sourced through friends and I could recognize specific products as being from specific vendors, as best as you can know something like that. I think it's a well known fact that the stuff you can get on darknet markets is in general so much unbelievably better than anything you could find on the street going through the old world outlets like the cartels and shady clandestine operations. It's almost like there are two different but intersecting drug cultures. One centralized with zero accountability and generally shitty products and one which is decentralized where you're getting much, much closer to the source and that source therefor has a direct reputation to defend.
 
@Branggen
" I know with pretty much every drug the level of euphoria and effects in general have some relation to age as well as experience with that drug."
I am older now, i dont smoke weed anymore, i dont like it.
I am not saying there is something wrong with weed available today.
 
I'm sorry but the loss of magic theory doesn't work for me. I have used mdma intermittently during 2013-2014 and have used only one time since. It was last october. I had some yellow simcards (tested 200 mg mdma hcl) laying around from 2014 so I gave them a try. As expected, no pupil dilation, no love, no stimulation, only monginess and head high for 2 hours and brain zaps on the comedown. I don't buy the loss of magic nonsense tbh.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
im 100% sure meh is bullshit. I saw randoms on the weekend during white mdma and soon as it kicked in they were huge pupil jaw grinding hugging everybody.

Some people need to come to terms with projecting their own magic loss onto the experience and convincing themselves deeply psychologically somethings wrong is why it ruins their experience. I also know people probably dont like been stared at while they are on drugs and analysed by people. People do their own shit on any drug and dont have to fit into the normal of been a annoying bastard hugging every random stranger instead some people are able to chill and control themselves and just want to chill out in bliss to the music.

At the chemical level no isomers or impurities that would affect the experince are been detected in GCMS so people need to stop grasping at straws and realize it aint the mass production of mdma which is the problem is their own psychological selves and maybe they should just give up on mdma if they have these experinces sinces it no longer for them.
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The points you're making re: projection also apply to everyone that is 100% sure that MehDMA is bullshit. Considering you've now stepped fully into the belief that it is bullshit, I would request that you begin stepping out of the thread unless new perspectives and explanations for your theory can be provided, useful information on production processes, routes, and systems can be shared, or you can contribute to eliminating potential possibilities. We've already heard what you're stating here dozens of times, and it doesn't help anyone to clog the thread with rehashed arguments over the reality of the phenomena. It's best for finding an issue, or finding that there's not an issue, to let the process continue.

Again, this is not a call to back out due to believing MehDMA is not an objective phenomena but instead, a request that only additive and productive criticisms be brought forward from the camp that is "No MehDMA." Anecdotal evidence based on experiencing MagicDMA, claims of projection (which you yourself are engaging in, TripSitterNZ), and lack of currently found evidence are not productive criticisms at this point in the thread.
 
psy997 said:
The points you're making re: projection also apply to everyone that is 100% sure that MehDMA is bullshit. Considering you've now stepped fully into the belief that it is bullshit, I would request that you begin stepping out of the thread unless new perspectives and explanations for your theory can be provided, useful information on production processes, routes, and systems can be shared, or you can contribute to eliminating potential possibilities. We've already heard what you're stating here dozens of times, and it doesn't help anyone to clog the thread with rehashed arguments over the reality of the phenomena. It's best for finding an issue, or finding that there's not an issue, to let the process continue.

Again, this is not a call to back out due to believing MehDMA is not an objective phenomena but instead, a request that only additive and productive criticisms be brought forward from the camp that is "No MehDMA." Anecdotal evidence based on experiencing MagicDMA, claims of projection (which you yourself are engaging in, TripSitterNZ), and lack of currently found evidence are not productive criticisms at this point in the thread.
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I believe in chemistry. Anything that would affect mdma would of shown in GCMS. Instead a bunch of burnt out people abused mdma and now wonder why they only feel a reaction every so often from it. Shuglins warned a long time ago for people not to do mdma more than ten times because some peoples receptors just cant handle it.

People have totally rejected science in this thread and instead have convinced themselves of all sorts of things. Old school users in denial that they acutally love meth mixed mdma pills of the 90s.

At the chemical level MDMA is MDMA the impurities that can affect how the experince have been studied and researched and thus would show up under GCMS results to prove if this was the case.

People are going to to the end of time convincing themselves that have not perma fried their receptors with very outlandish claims.

MDMA is purer than it ever has been chemistry has advanced with new methods making it easier to produce.

As a long time user i and no one i ever met in my life has ever come across meh.

If you dont get pupil dilation on mdma then the shit you took was not mdma. Just because people add a few mg of mdma to fool a regnant test and sold you crystsal that is mainly solvent md2p oil and other things then acutally claim that their MDMA is "tested"

If it doesnt have a full spectrum analysis via GCMS your mdma was never tested. Reagent tests have been easily fooled since they have been around.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
If we've 'permafried our receptors', why are we still capable of appreciating the good stuff when it appears..?
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Its a hit and a miss the good stuff is 100% if just that out the few times you manage to get a reaction you think that batch is 100% magic.

Im sure if u did the same "meh" stuff 50 times you would experince the magic a few times.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Its a hit and a miss the good stuff is 100% if just that out the few times you manage to get a reaction you think that batch is 100% magic.

Im sure if u did the same "meh" stuff 50 times you would experince the magic a few times.
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No. When I get a meh batch, it is consistently meh. When I get a good batch, it is consistently good.

Furthermore, it cant be put down to expectation either. I recently had a good run of getting good shit every time. Then one time I got some more and it looked exactly the same as previously so my expectations were high. But upon ingestion, I immediately knew it was meh. Upon questioning my supply I found it was indeed a different batch. As I said before, the difference is striking and if you've never experienced substandard MDMA you must be very lucky.
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
No. When I get a meh batch, it is consistently meh. When I get a good batch, it is consistently good.
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Then the meh stuff if it would be tested via gcms and cross referenced to papers of impurities that affect how mdma works would appear.

But i don't see any place actually offering in depth analysis GCM/S and taking the time to cross reference all known impurities that will affect the mdma experince and instead if they find even a small amount of mdma the testing sites just say its mdma without listing every single microgram impurity that was also detected.

We could say that Meh is simply trash made by people who didn't respect chemistry filled with so many impurities it fucks the whole thing up. But all i see these testing sites give out is shitty UV graphs and not taking anymore than a few mins out of their time to analyse all the small impurities present.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Then the meh stuff if it would be tested via gcms and cross referenced to papers of impurities that affect how mdma works would appear.

But i don't see any place actually offering in depth analysis GCM/S and taking the time to cross reference all known impurities that will affect the mdma experince and instead if they find even a small amount of mdma the testing sites just say its mdma without listing every single microgram impurity that was also detected.

We could say that Meh is simply trash made by people who didn't respect chemistry filled with so many impurities it fucks the whole thing up. But all i see these testing sites give out is shitty UV graphs and not taking anymore than a few mins out of their time to analyse all the small impurities present.
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I think you have finally realised the purpose of this thread... :D
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Then the meh stuff if it would be tested via gcms and cross referenced to papers of impurities that affect how mdma works would appear.

But i don't see any place actually offering in depth analysis GCM/S and taking the time to cross reference all known impurities that will affect the mdma experince and instead if they find even a small amount of mdma the testing sites just say its mdma without listing every single microgram impurity that was also detected.

We could say that Meh is simply trash made by people who didn't respect chemistry filled with so many impurities it fucks the whole thing up. But all i see these testing sites give out is shitty UV graphs and not taking anymore than a few mins out of their time to analyse all the small impurities present.
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Um, that's basically what we've all been saying ;)
 
Wow.

@TripSitterNZ - I am not sure what your problem is. Do you actually read any of the links or information that is shared here or do you just state your opinion over and over?

"Anything that would affect mdma would of shown in GCMS." Not true. Multiple studies have already been posted that demonstrate that there are other substances that masquerade as MDMA to GCMS. Go find the links and read the articles. Links have also been posted that show that almost every synth method produces impurities. Yet, for some reason, GCMS results never show those impurities. Why? Go find the links and read the articles.

"Instead a bunch of burnt out people abused mdma." That is quite a judgmental statement. I personally always took long breaks between sessions and followed the guidelines of the era. Lots of other people have posted here with minimal histories of use.

"im 100% sure meh is bullshit. I saw randoms on the weekend during white mdma and soon as it kicked in they were huge pupil jaw grinding hugging everybody." Cool. You are lucky you have good stuff. I went to a rave recently and saw a bunch of people standing around with their arms crossed not moving. A few people had huge pupils with jaws grinding. It was visually OBVIOUS who had real MDMA. When I watch people at parties take MDMA, guess what? I don't see any huge pupils or jaw grinding. Why? Why are whole groups of people not experiencing the typical results of the product?

"Old school users in denial that they acutally love meth mixed mdma pills of the 90s." Since you like science so much, you should like the fact that I sent the pills I used to take to Ecstasy Data and THERE WAS NO METH IN THEM.

"If you dont get pupil dilation on mdma then the shit you took was not mdma. " Do you not read this thread? I send everything in for GCMS testing. Comments being made are not based on regeants.

"Then the meh stuff if it would be tested via gcms and cross referenced to papers of impurities that affect how mdma works would appear.

But i don't see any place actually offering in depth analysis GCM/S and taking the time to cross reference all known impurities that will affect the mdma experince and instead if they find even a small amount of mdma the testing sites just say its mdma without listing every single microgram impurity that was also detected." Dude, this is seriously what we want to see changed. We want better testing to identify what is going on with the bad batches.

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I get it that this thread is long, but I am getting really tired of answering the same questions over and over that have been addressed ENDLESSLY within this thread. I also don't understand why there is this huge need to come here and argue with people. Kudos to you that you live on an island that gets good MDMA. Bravo! Until you have repeatedly witnessed the phenomenon that we have all witnessed, you are not going to believe us. If it was not a HUGE security risk, I could post videos for you and you would be able to SEE the difference in effects on people. I don't care if you agree or not. I don't care if you believe or not, but for goodness sake if you don't have anything constructive to offer then stopping clogging up our thread.
 
@Branggen I am sure you mean well. You are new to the thread. I can tell you have not actually read the thread. All I can say is that (in my experience), when good product was around, virgin users rolled harder than anyone. They would roll hard even on substandard product back in the day. If all the people trying a particular batch are not rolling, then there is something wrong with the batch. If your virgins, your old timers and EVERYONE is feeling MEH then the problem is not with EVERYONE'S mind.

I have yet to have an experience where I saw some people rolling hard and others feeling meh.
 
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