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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Captain.Heroin said:
If he was going to shut down plane travel it'd happen a lot earlier.
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you're thinking trump and his administration are competent. by the time domestic travel is restricted, it'll be far too late to have any real effect, but it is genuinely being considered, though it won't happen until next month at the earliest, once a lot more people have died
 
tathra said:
you're thinking trump and his administration are competent. by the time domestic travel is restricted, it'll be far too late to have any real effect, but it is genuinely being considered, though it won't happen until next month at the earliest, once a lot more people have died
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His objective, even if and especially if this was zoonotic and not engineered, was to let it into US as richer Republican older people can self-quarantine, older Democrats will be less likely to be able to, and this disease will dis-proportionally affect the poor. This will effect the outcome of the 2020 election.

Perhaps this was Russian Interference part 2, viruses not memes?

What do I know?

If it was natural Trump definitely was less afraid of a DEADLY VIRUS than MUSLIMS AND MEXICANS.

You have to reconcile that for me: is he a stupid white nationalist IDIOT, or an EVIL GENIUS who PRETENDS to be racist, PRETENDS to be a nationalist?

How many lies is he spending? Which are the lies, which are the truth?

I'll accept any logical side on it. I could be wrong in my assumptions, I will openly admit that.
 
The Coronavirus outbreak could quite plausibly cost trump the election. It would be madness for him to release it on purpose.

He not pretending. He's a narcissistic idiot who can barely read words off a teleprompter without fucking it up.

It makes zero sense for anyone to release a virus like this on purpose unless your goal is just to create undirected destruction for its own sake.
 
JessFR said:
It makes zero sense for anyone to release a virus like this on purpose unless your goal is just to create undirected destruction for its own sake.
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Based on the insane reaction and reckless economic destruction that's resulting from this "pandemic", then I wouldn't be surprised if it was released on purpose. However I still believe it was accidental it's just governments are taking advantage of it to roll out an agenda that they had planned already.

Joe Quinn said:
Just for the info: the official reason they are locking down countries is based on the idea that even though 80% or more of people who contract the virus won't have any problems with it, some won't even know they have it, we all need to be 'quarantined' to prevent those who do become infected (upwards of 40% supposedly) will not by chance infect the vulnerable elderly who would then become very sick and need to be hospitalized, thereby overwhelming the health care system and creating unnecessary deaths.

That said, there is the problem of why such measures are not taken for the seasonal flu which poses a very serious risk to vulnerable elderly people every year and therefore the same risk of overwhelming health care systems. In fact, the number of people who die from the common flu every winter season (the large majority of them elderly with serious health conditions) is at least 10 times the number of deaths from covid-19. So why have these deaths not caused the same health care crisis every year?
Any explanations?
Whatever the case, there is the unfortunate coincidence (I suppose) that hundreds of millions of people in Western nations are being conditioned to accept very draconian restrictions on their basic civil freedoms..."for the greater good". While that may not be intended, it is still the objective end result. And obviously, everyone with any sense should be disturbed by that.
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The primary problem people have with accepting the idea that Covid-19 isn't a big deal is the question of why governments would take such drastic measures in response to 'no big deal'. There are many possible answers to that question, but in essence, the counter to the "no big deal" claim is that "the government" simply wouldn't lie to people on that scale.

In answer to that, I can only say that many people apparently have very short memories.


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"China has ended lockdown and are now sending people back to work from what I am hearing. Meanwhile estimates coming out of western democracies are predicting 18 months worth of disruptions and quarantines as our economy crumbles.

Forgive my cynicism on this.

Going into the new year, China's economy was in an appalling state. Trump had derailed the gravy train of finance going in to the CCP and affected chinese imports across the globe to an extent I positively witnessed in my own business in Australia.
Protests in HK were destroying hardline ideology around the CCP. The Communist party was, overall, in very bad shape.

Suddenly, at the start of a very important election year, the gods of communism magic up a virus in a market in Wuhan 30kms from a virology lab so infamous that Dean Koontz based an outbreak based horror novel on it, calling his fictitious virus the Wuhan-400.

The commies drop the ball initially, silence the whistleblower, and protest when Trump and Australia issues travel bans. The left enclaves and corporate media scream rascism, it's even racist to call it the Wuhan virus in the present, and the rest is history- the virus breaks containment and with a relatively low mortality/high contagion level it sweeps across the planet. Global pandemic declared.

Amazingly China is looking a total 180 to their position at the end of last year. The corporate media are praising their authoritarian tactics and they are being peddled as the model on how to contain the virus. Political protests have ceased. Progressive factions in politics are screaming for the next step up in quarantine and restrictions everytime something is put in place. No matter how much personal freedom is restricted it's never going to be enough for the opposition.

Meanwhile China is reinvesting in a crashing global market and are set to come out with economic gains,
While we are set to go through an unprecedented amount of state control and financial destruction.
Talk about election meddling. 🥴

Are we really this idiotic? Unfortunately we don't have a choice. Because the fact remains that the virus exists and it can kill vulnerable people. Our western democracies have been placed in check and we really want to put some strategic thought into how we recover from this.

Insane times."
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HELLO DYSTOPIA! Government can now slap a bracelet on you and track even if you don't have the virus and have not had any association with anyone infected:

www.cnbc.com

Hong Kong is putting electronic wristbands on arriving passengers to enforce coronavirus quarantine

Passengers arriving in Hong Kong must wear a bracelet and download a smartphone app, as the city tries to reduce the spread of the coronavirus.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

In a list of the industries where forced unemployment of staff would most benefit the fight against the spread of the corona virus, the mainstream media is surely at the top.

I'd personally chip in for their benefits.

Joe Quinn said:
People everywhere better be prepared to take a good long look at themselves (as they used to say) and the actions of their governments in a couple of weeks when the data shows that at least 96% of the people who 'got coronavirus' recovered fully in a week or two in exactly the same way they recover from the seasonal flu, without a vaccine, and that those who died had serious underlying illnesses which means that those deaths cannot even be reasonably attributed to coronavirus.

If you're lucky, you'll be able to express your thoughts on social media, assuming your government hasn't used the excuse of a virus that is less dangerous than the flu to impose martial law and ban freedom of speech. In that case, you're screwed in more ways than one, and you only have you own refusal to prioritize critical thinking over emotional thinking to blame.
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YouTube letting us know that they will be deleting any videos they wish even if they don't break the rules i.e suppressing of information/censorship.
 
If you can't see what's really going on here then I feel fucking sorry for you.

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This is the end of the human race as we know it. The coronavirus itself may or may not even be all that dangerous. No one really knows for sure what the mortality rate is or how many people have gotten it due to the lack of testing in all cases and the broad spectrum of illness that it causes. It's difficult to study, and it's also NEW. It may be very dangerous in and of itself. Corona in and of itself certainly is not capable of ending humanity. However, this is going to completely wreck the economy, probably forever. And it's going to displace a lot of workers forever. That is going to start a snowball effect of sorts, which will gradually lead to the total and complete collapse of civilization over the course of many years. Mark my words, this is the beginning of the end.

Or the beginning of something new, beautiful, and profound depending on how you look at it. Eventually, civil war will break out in every nation on Earth, because of the economic and societal calamity that's being set into motion now. Billions upon billions of people will perish when all is said and done. Statistically speaking, relatively few people will die of corona. But billions will die in the unrest and worldwide civil war that causes as a result of what is being set into motion. That's what depopulation looks like, and that's what is happening. It's too late to turn back now. However, after all is said and done, humanity will have a new and sustainable consciousness (e.g. the people who are left after 90%+ of the population perishes in the worldwide civil war, famine, and the future outbreaks of disease that will occur as a result of the collapse. But humanity will come back stronger.
 
LandsUnknown said:
This is the end of the human race as we know it. The coronavirus itself may or may not even be all that dangerous. No one really knows for sure what the mortality rate is or how many people have gotten it due to the lack of testing in all cases and the broad spectrum of illness that it causes. It's difficult to study, and it's also NEW. It may be very dangerous in and of itself. Corona in and of itself certainly is not capable of ending humanity. However, this is going to completely wreck the economy, probably forever. And it's going to displace a lot of workers forever. That is going to start a snowball effect of sorts, which will gradually lead to the total and complete collapse of civilization over the course of many years. Mark my words, this is the beginning of the end.

Or the beginning of something new, beautiful, and profound depending on how you look at it. Eventually, civil war will break out in every nation on Earth, because of the economic and societal calamity that's being set into motion now. Billions upon billions of people will perish when all is said and done. Statistically speaking, relatively few people will die of corona. But billions will die in the unrest and worldwide civil war that causes as a result of what is being set into motion. That's what depopulation looks like, and that's what is happening. It's too late to turn back now. However, after all is said and done, humanity will have a new and sustainable consciousness (e.g. the people who are left after 90%+ of the population perishes in the worldwide civil war, famine, and the future outbreaks of disease that will occur as a result of the collapse. But humanity will come back stronger.
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A message from Dec 28, 2019 (before Corona):

A: "Now, we would like to say something of interest to all: Soon things in your realm will become very chaotic and strange. It will give chills to many. Be not alarmed! It will pass and there will be a new reality to explore. Cosmic forces will be displayed and there will be many searching for answers. Be prepared to give the help that is needed. Be together in love and peace. Goodbye."
 
Everything is a conspiracy, global pandemics don't happen without human intervention, they certainly never have before. Everything bad that happens is because of evil governments. 8)

The only thing I agree with is that it's a certainty that various governments will try to use this to further their goals which will not be in the best interest of the people in many cases. However, locking down cities where there is an outbreak is prudent when you're dealing with a dangerous and highly contagious, and most of all, relatively unknown virus.

It's crazy how fast this swung from total underreaction to extreme overreaction in the general populace. Everyone has their own conspiracy theory. I guess Occam cut himself shaving and threw away his razor.

I mean look at Italy, they're getting fucked because they didn't take enough measures early on. I'd rather have lockdown than the death rate they have.
 
It takes a lot longer for most things to go pendemic you have to wonder why SARS and MERS didn't in the other outbreaks there's a lot of connections between Trump wanting to get reelected Trump not going to war with Iran Trump's connection to Putin and the fact that US Rus Japan and other nations have had Germ Warfare programs.

Germ warfare has happened already many decades ago. Namely Japan dropped germ bombs on China and right now I can't help but laugh at the irony. It's probably what they deserve for trying to own the whole world like they own their people like slaves the Communist Party of China is evil and we all know it.

Trump is acting very brave about the Coronavirus considering he's normally a germaphobe about his food to the point of paranoia you guys are not sensing how mentally sick he is and having so many phobias but being absolutely Fearless over this one and the rest of you all are so afraid of dying and he's not when he normally is you all haven't reconciled that people normally cannot on-off switch their fear of death.

Normally people do or do not fear dying may or may not get over it they very rarely bounce between the two.

But sure if this is a natural virus it's odd that Trump pretended it was a hoax let it get into America and then started to care. I don't think that it was indifference stupidity Dementia or any other excusable indifference that you can think of this is purposeful on his part to let it get to the country.

Why was he also very angry at China is it an act to get the stupid people to elect him because Americans were basically stupid people I'm one I know no I don't think it's that he's very angry at Chinese people he's a very racist man he's a very hating warmongering angry man I don't think he's as stupid or inept as people make him out to be a people do that so that they don't have to throw them in prison over the connections he's headed the Putin or what he did in Ukraine and it's kind of like excusing ones own racist grandfather away no don't do that. Democrats used to care about holding Trump accountable and now they seemingly are like oh coronavirus yeah he's just an idiot. He's just stupid he's ignorant he has nothing he has no idea what he's doing ... sure it's an act he's putting on a really good fucking act and you are buying it just as much as the idiots who elected them are buying it.

Whether or not you know Trump is smart enough to keep lying to you you're never going to be smart enough to keep up with his lies and you'll drink the Kool-Aid whether you like it or not. Even if this is a zoonotic virus he's supposed to be held accountable what he's done so far and nobody's going to fucking do it cuz they're scared of getting the coronavirus oh God what if I die Trump doesn't care if he lives or dies what the fuck are you going to do you just going to vote for Sanders and hope he gets elected knowing he won't or how about Biden who's a big fucking joke to the whole establishment?

Trump stands by you standing by doing nothing and that's how he's going to win again there's absolutely no way he won't get reelected especially with Pelosi not giving us our money.

The poor fools are banking on the economy staying low the Democrats sweeping off of that and when they get elected they're sure as hell not going to fix it because they're clueless and you're clueless for believing in them.

And if there is a Democratic president that can't solve all these problems they'll just let Trump back in for another 4 years

Have you heard people justifications for voting for Trump who are white stupid people who wanted their jobs back are you know the people who voted for Obama and I won't go there on television yeah people have really stupid reasons for why they vote for the person that you for president they don't vote in their own interest and that's why Trump got elected and that's why he's going to get elected again.

Zoonotic or engineered it's completely irrelevant when you consider how much this is benefiting Trump and I don't see how it's not benefiting him.

Why am I saying that because he's not dead when he dies of covid 19 I'll believe it I believe it it's not an engineered virus when he's dead of it.

And the funny thing is everybody here knows that's not going to happen he's going to be fucking alive in 2024 2028 2032 and so on ad infinitum until he dies of a heart disease or something unrelated and you know it he's going to have all the new retrovirals he's going to have the best doctors and best medicine doing anything to keep white intetnationalism alive...

I'll eat my words when Trump is announced dead from covid 19 on the television but we know that's not going to happen!
 
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I shared this in the roid section because we tend to use ARBs (angiotensin receptor blockers) for issues related to steroid use. But ARBs are becoming increasingly common as a treatment for hypertension these days, so this may prove quite relevant for a lot of older folks or those with weak immune systems who want to attenuate the worst symptoms:

➡ Leading experts warn that antihypertensive ARBs may amplify COVID-19 severity
➡ This is because the COVID-19 virus only enters cells via ACE-2 receptors on cells
➡ And ARBs (like Losartan and other ~sartans) increase ACE-2 receptor density (the number of receptors available for the virus to enter the cell) by 300-500%
➡ However, discuss with your GP or specialist first - don't just stop taking your ARB!


https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/ace-inhibitors-arbs-and-covid-19-what-gps-need-to…

Can angiotensin receptor-blocking drugs perhaps be harmful in the COVID-19 pandemic?
Esler, Murraya,*; Esler, Danielleb,†

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Journal of Hypertension: March 11, 2020

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Can angiotensin receptor-blocking drugs perhaps be harmful... : Journal of Hypertension

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Thank you for sharing that I've also read the methamphetamine is harmful to the lungs in a way that would enable covid 19 to do more damage I don't know if that's true or not and not using right now not planning on it either.

I would have linked it but I forgot to at the time I was actually looking up if I can drink beer and of course like any cold alcohol is going to make you worse not better so all I have is pot and I didn't have my beer and I really want beer and I have tons of beer it's unfortunate
 
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