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Rob Wiz said:
No, it's not lackluster. It has a classical opioid-like effect, including warmth, euphoria, nodding etc. Of course you can quickly lose this effect once you dose a lot more than needed.

Opiates in themselves are a subtle drug. This subtlety is present in Kratom as well and this fact, combined with the urge of people to break down topics to make it easier for themselves to understand it (opioids legit, Kratom not), gives rise to the meme that its intrinsic effects are lackluster.
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Having a low tolerance to opioids must be nice. Just wait dude.

Opioids are subtle drugs? I couldn't think of a less subtle drug without crossing into hallucinogens.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Yeah, if you’re taking kratom a lot and expect to feel Oxy or Vicodin that same day, forget about it! You won’t feel the pills at all. Kratom is definitely weird that way.
I was never addicted enough to where I’m withdrawing every 5 hours or so. I don’t know maybe because I usually have other drugs around like Gabapentin or something.

I parachuted close to an hour ago and I must not have wrapped it good enough, the powder broke through into my throat. I hurried up and chugged it down with grape juice. Yuck! Hate that kratom powder taste. The powder made my throat kinda sore and scratchy. It’s all good now.
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Yeah, kratom does taste nasty! It's been years since I've done it but whenever I did I would put my dose inside a water bottle, shake it a bit and then just chug it as fast as I could. I can still remember the taste vividly and it's enough to make me gag right now. :sick:
 
SAT4N_420 said:
Yeah, kratom does taste nasty! It's been years since I've done it but whenever I did I would put my dose inside a water bottle, shake it a bit and then just chug it as fast as I could. I can still remember the taste vividly and it's enough to make me gag right now. :sick:
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Ewwwww!!! lol I mentioned this to @madness00 last night, but next time put your dose in orange juice, shake it up and chug it. Orange juice masks the taste pretty well.
 
I threw up ten times earlier dunno what I ate but I was so ill, and I never get ill I'm ok now but man I tell you the vomit was clumped together the opposite to projectile vomit and it honestly is the worst smell I've ever smelt in my life imagine burgers that are out of date but you eat them.anyway then they come out the other end but halfway they go back and come out your mouth instead then you swallow them digest and vomit again seriously I'm not joking the smell was god awful I had to hold my head and nose inches from the vomit because I didn't get it all up in one I was to weak to even move because of the illness but I forced myself to clean out the bucket which took a lot of effort the things we go through for drugs eh?
 
madness00 said:
Need to try that.

Guys I use like 8 ounces of water for 10 grams and slam it. It's so concentrated.. and mad disgusting.
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Your so lucky you can still get kratom where you are I think every opiate has the novelty the taste codeine it's the lovely butter taste knowing your gonna get high kratom it's the fuck me I survived I actually managed to swallow it all without coughing somehow with heroin for me anyway having a small line then another then another and tasting that sweet earthly smell god I love heroin
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Ewwwww!!! lol I mentioned this to @madness00 last night, but next time put your dose in orange juice, shake it up and chug it. Orange juice masks the taste pretty well.
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Definitely have to give it a shot! I remeber the only time I tried masking the taste was with coke and ended upearning the hardway that carbonated beverages and kratom are a big no-no.

madness00 said:
@CoastTwoCoast @SAT4N_420

Need to try that.

Guys I use like 8 ounces of water for 10 grams and slam it. It's so concentrated.. and mad disgusting.
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Yup, that's about the same amount of water I used, maybe a little less. It was basically about half a water bottle. Again, just thinking about it is making me gag!
 
Drinking coke or something fizzy is nice for the tummy AFTER you swallow the kratom. It helps to calm my tummy. A fizzy drink is not a good mixer though.

Can’t wait for you guys to try the OJ and holla back. The difference is night and day. Chugging it with plain water sounds like a nightmare.

I’m about to parachute a lil’ more.

There was a fleeting thought to order more kratom, but maybe I won’t. I’m still expecting Etiz to come and I should be able to get klonopin from the pharmacy Monday.

So maybe I should back off of the Kratom and give myself a break since I’ll have other options for anxiety in a week or so.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Drinking coke or something fizzy is nice for the tummy AFTER you swallow the kratom. It helps to calm my tummy. A fizzy drink is not a good mixer though.

Can’t wait for you guys to try the OJ and holla back. The difference is night and day. Chugging it with plain water sounds like a nightmare.

I’m about to parachute a lil’ more.

There was a fleeting thought to order more kratom, but maybe I won’t. I’m still expecting Etiz to come and I should be able to get klonopin from the pharmacy Monday.

So maybe I should back off of the Kratom and give myself a break since I’ll have other options for anxiety in a week or so.
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Yeah, I meant as a mixer. I dumped my dose of kratom powder directly into a cup of coke and ended up with a big mess!

Also, It'll be a while before I can try it, since I won't be able to buy any kratom until I get home. In the meantime though, I'm going try to find the site I used to order it from. They had great quality powder for the price!
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
There was a fleeting thought to order more kratom, but maybe I won’t. I’m still expecting Etiz to come and I should be able to get klonopin from the pharmacy Monday.

So maybe I should back off of the Kratom and give myself a break since I’ll have other options for anxiety in a week or so.
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This is a good plan... you don't want to cop a dependence.
 
Caffeine, nicotine from my vape. Just took 1g of phenibut too. I am definitely past opiate w/d. :) I did drink a good bit and took some Adderall last night so I feel a little sketch, hence the phenibut. But it's a hangover type of sketch, not a withdrawal type of sketch. :)
 
So far today...

2mg Etizolam
56mg Armodafinil
50mg Esmodafinil
5g Piracetam
250 Citicholine
150mg Phenylpiracetam
40mg Tianeptine
Lots of caffeine

Think that's it. Mostly quite mild obviously. Don't have an etizolam tolerance to speak of, but, not getting the cognitive euphoria I was hoping for. Bit of muscular relaxation. Maybe ~racetams and benzos is wasteful as far as that goes. Modafinil and etizolam have an enzymatic conflict which inhibits metabolism of etizolam into it's active metabolite. Maybe that's something to do with it. Tempted to try another mg of etiz, but, probably pointless. Sort of a day of not quite getting where I want to be from early on and trying to stack nootropics to resolve it. Ah well. I'm sure I'll be a relatively good mood later regardless.
 
Well today was a good day ... Had the following

1mg subutex railed
.5mg alzam in 2 divided dosses
400ml vodka
A lot of weed throughout the day

Feeling good and a little noddy. But depro at the same time, just need to switch my mind off...
 
Mixed up some green plant powder in a bathroom at McDonald's. Odd considering I'm veg and they don't even have veggie patties in my area there. I couldn't measure it but it can be eyeballed if you are experienced. Using a teaspoon isn't really measuring it accurately anyways.

Might redose when I go home. Actually that is pretty much going to happen.

Ok it is kratom and I'm not too keen on making it a habit but that's all they sell here so like I would rather have went in there and purchased some psychedelic plant medicine however I might take a cool road trip, mini one a couple hours from here, in a couple weeks to Bob Weir and Wolf Bros because that's funkytown if you're trying to get down.
 
From what I've seen kratom can be a bit of a hit or miss, if you're used to taking strong opioids it won't work as well (except for managing the WD symptoms).
I've found it works better in low doses, I've been taking kratom for about 4 years now and I haven't really uped my doses too much. I always take around 3g to get the desired effects, I do redose often though and usually end up taking about 15g/day.

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Vaped some meth, drank 3g red thai kratom dissolved in water and smoked half a spliff. I'm going to finish what's left of the spliff and go cook some food.
 
Well I should measure this kratom if I am determined to take it again.

I don't have to worry about potency I guess because this stuff is giving me more bang for the buck than I assumed headshop stuff would. Btw terrible glass they sell but it isn't like a bad shop if you can overlook the custom glass they are trying to overcharge for. Like unique art is nice but this stuff is trash and they are selling the pieces for 1k and up it is totally absurd. The art sucks honestly but I wouldn't bash it if you weren't charging that much for it.

Almost too much to keep down but hey live and learn.

4meSM I hope you can say the same about meth if you keep that going. Not upping the dosage.

I am wishing I stuck with around 3g actually. Redosed too soon. But I didn't measure! Gotta go for a brisk walk to feel less uneasy in the tummy I think!

That's it for a while.

Edit: My kratom dosing was absurd. I mean I just puked in the street had to get off my bike. People are outside waiting for their kids to get off the bus I don't think anyone noticed it wasn't too bad thankfully just one quick hurl and now I am good.

Have a nice day.

Also avoid buying kratom in headshops if you can help it they say. I might give it up after this honestly. Definitely going to measure next dose somehow.
 
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Yeah I've always bought my kratom from specialized vendors because it's cheaper and higher quality (though it depends on the batch and the type of "strain"). That being said, I don't doubt that some headshops might have quality kratom.

I don't really want to keep using meth for a long time (but noone plans that haha). It's kind of an on&off thing for me but it's definitely quite addictive and I'm very aware of my problematic use. I do try to reduce the negative effects by keeping my doses low though, a gram usually lasts me 1-2 months.

Measuring your doses is very important, not just for kratom but for almost every drug.
 
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