• 🇬🇧󠁿 🇸🇪 🇿🇦 🇮🇪 🇬🇭 🇩🇪 🇪🇺
    European & African
    Drug Discussion


    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • EADD Moderators: axe battler | Pissed_and_messed

EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

isn't mixing Benzos and opiates potentially dangerous?

It is yeah. I should be clear I have a tolerance and I adjust my doses - I always use less benzos and opiates than I would normally when comboing.

It's still not something I advocate because it's bad HR. But reality is I just like doing it.
 
isn't mixing Benzos and opiates potentially dangerous?
Yes, and this particular combination is especially bad as each one potentiate the other even in spite of any tolerance you may have built up. So it will be as though you had taken more than you actually took.

If you are going to mix drugs, don't mix drugs you haven't taken before separately; dose incrementally rather than holus-bolus; and be sure to have someone around whom you trust with your life and who hasn't taken as much themself as what you you have.

Lecturing hat off ..... They actually tried prescribing me Temazepam in the 1970s -- I was a hyperactive kid. I ended up with a bit of a tolerance while I was still too young to appreciate it properly .....

I've also done the "falling asleep in an awkward position" thing, but never had any body part be out of action for more than 24 hours. Maybe some people are more susceptible to it, or take longer to recover ..... or else I'm just bloody lucky .....
 
It is yeah. I should be clear I have a tolerance and I adjust my doses - I always use less benzos and opiates than I would normally when comboing.

It's still not something I advocate because it's bad HR. But reality is I just like doing it.
It's not something to do unless you know TO A TEEEEE your tolerances to both substances. And I mean that as in to each individual Benzo and Opioid you take.
Even then one should be extra cautious as the repercussions can be... well.... not waking up again (to be blunt) :confused:
We are here for HR first and foremost so in that respect, it shouldn't be done. But peeps be peeps and will try it anyway, and in the same HR p.o.v. then I would just echo what I stated above - only louder!

Take good care all!

p.s.
@
Forever Changes - You lucky mo fo! You seriously don't see those around anymore AT ALL.
Makes me wonder if they are Temaz or some other Benzo.... ?
 
p.s. @Forever Changes - You lucky mo fo! You seriously don't see those around anymore AT ALL.
Makes me wonder if they are Temaz or some other Benzo.... ?

I'm pretty sure they're legit Temaz, they're just the German variety. I've tried up to 80mg in one go (which I think is quite a high dose) and can't really report anything good or bad.

I'm wary to go any higher, dose-wise as I don't want to start blacking out again
 
They actually tried prescribing me Temazepam in the 1970s -- I was a hyperactive kid.

Fuck I have ADHD and the only thing they tried to give me as a kid was Shitalin!

I'm pretty sure they're legit Temaz, they're just the German variety. I've tried up to 80mg in one go (which I think is quite a high dose) and can't really report anything good or bad.

It's because you have tolerance to more potent benzos like alprazolam I imagine. If you have a tolerance break from all benzos for a bit you will appreciate 80mg temazepam for sure. Lovely stuff.
 
Been getting along ok the last 6 months thanks to my occasional (2 - 3 monthly) but privileged reliable supply of boring, qualitatively inferior (*) but perfectly effective domestic clonazepam, (100 tablet boxes of Auden 0.5 domestic tablets) I have been able to cover myself by once again rapidly and drastically reducing my use. My jamminess knows no bounds neither as even during the one occasion where I came close to running out, my pharmacist friend, genuinely sensible and restrained enough to not habitually overstep his boundaries with me was good enough to go through his stock and find 2 boxes of 10mg Teva diazepam with a Feb. 2020 expiry date to tie me over (he's not stupid enough to let me have whatever I want out of his stock, simply providing me with medicines Rx'd for 10 years before my old GP left the practise using products headed for the bin). But following the 6 months of bzd austerity a Balkan based friend of a friend has made themselves available, allowing me to stock up on the holy trinity of Galenika products in one foul swoop.

I am really tempted to try and get some Temazepam but considering I have just brought 100's of Ksalol, Bensedin and Galenika Rivotril for not that much more money... As far as short / intermediate acting bzds go I prefer them to anything but the alprazolam is just irresistible in terms of bang for buck.
 
Been getting along ok the last 6 months thanks to my occasional (2 - 3 monthly) but privileged reliable supply of boring, qualitatively inferior (*) but perfectly effective domestic clonazepam, (100 tablet boxes of Auden 0.5 domestic tablets) I have been able to cover myself by once again rapidly and drastically reducing my use. My jamminess knows no bounds neither as even during the one occasion where I came close to running out, my pharmacist friend, genuinely sensible and restrained enough to not habitually overstep his boundaries with me was good enough to go through his stock and find 2 boxes of 10mg Teva diazepam with a Feb. 2020 expiry date to tie me over (he's not stupid enough to let me have whatever I want out of his stock, simply providing me with medicines Rx'd for 10 years before my old GP left the practise using products headed for the bin). But following the 6 months of bzd austerity a Balkan based friend of a friend has made themselves available, allowing me to stock up on the holy trinity of Galenika products in one foul swoop.

I am really tempted to try and get some Temazepam but considering I have just brought 100's of Ksalol, Bensedin and Galenika Rivotril for not that much more money... As far as short / intermediate acting bzds go I prefer them to anything but the alprazolam is just irresistible in terms of bang for buck.

That's a good pharmacist you have there mate. I love it when they're willing to bend rules a bit for trustworthy patients they know won't be idiots with the meds. I still get a reasonably steady supply of codeine linctus the same way. Pharmacist gets a few bottles in now and then and keeps them in only for me. Anyone else... nope, don't stock that, ask your GP etc. Seen it with my own eyes so I know he ain't lying. He tells me keep my mouth shut about where I buy from so he doesn't get people lining up outside the pharmacy trying to buy the stuff (I shit you not, this happened to him before he stopped publicly selling it).

Temazepam is a lovely treat but I agree for the money you pay not worth it as a replacement to the cheaper and more potent benzos around. If it was easily available though I'd certainly use it more often. Bromazepam too.

Enjoy your Galenika! Good stuff that is.

Currently my stash is:
Roche Rivotril 2mg
Galenika Rivotril 2mg
Pfizer Xanax 0.5mg
Kachhela Etizeal 1mg

Loving having pharma etiz again, but no idea how consistent the supply will end up being.

Might ask about for some legit diaz as well. Wary of a lot of it these days with fake blisters around so much now. But Galenika has never steered me wrong and I can always use the markets if no one I know has anything.
 
Galenika diaz has been flooding the market round here, still called blues tho haha. Is it right that galenikas days are numbered??
I also need to find me a reliable etizolam source. Its a great med if used semi responsibly
 
Mmmm Etilaam, little pink bitter sweet mimd melty mints

Edit: Etizest I mean. I used to think etilaam were duds but my mates all said they were great. I was taking loads of benzos at that time thk. I once took about 30 on a night out and could have sworn I was sober. Dm you lady tolerance.
 
Last edited:
Is it right that galenikas days are numbered??

Christ I hope not - where did you hear that?

I have had access to the Serbian supplier for about 3 years now and despite the desperation of both myself and the other customers I know when they announced that they were taking a 6 month break back in September, the first time it has ever happened it transpired that they were spot on with there word, returning to business right on the dot. The private - personal introduction based trade they practise stems from the fact that the vendor is a legitimate pharmacist who, despite not practising any more still has the required bona fides and licences within the industry to buy directly from the drug companies. If there was an anticipated problem with Galenika (whom I believe is at least partially state subsidised) it would be odd for them to start vending again with such confidence.

One other factor of course is while all of there generic bzd's are domestic, only the clonazepam and alprazolam have always been exclusively Galenika - the 'Bensedin' 10mg diazepam recently provided has become the exception as opposed to the norm as for the last 18 months or so all the generic diazepam I have had from them have been unbranded 'Diazepam' by 'Hemofarm' and IMO identical to the 'Bensedin'. In fact, as I have been lucky to always get legitimate diazepam I find that they are all top banana, whether they were the domestic 'blues' give to me by the chemist (Teva & last year, Activis), Asian 'Mano 10' tablets, the 10mg Spanish 'Kern' Prodes or the usual Serbian tackle. My friend buys alot of 2.5mg lorazepam of tem as well which is not Galenika, nor was the gorgeous but ludicrously overpriced 5mg nitrazepam that I was sent before they took a break (Nipam).
 
is there much difference between Alzaprolam and Clonazepam, other than the former is shorter acting?
 
is there much difference between Alzaprolam and Clonazepam, other than the former is shorter acting?

Benzos are benzos so if you are still chasing a satisfactory effect you may not really notice as much of a qualitative deference beyond the longer duration of the clz, in a similar way as to how ganja is just ganja when people first start smoking it, with preferences for certain manifestations of the general spectrum of effects only developing after some time to compare the different brews, in so far as some people may prefer to only use black (do people still call it that? hash, resin etc) if the option is there, as opposed to herbal cannabis whether commercially brick pressed or seedless.

So qualitatively, I find that clonazepam is better than alprazolam despite the latter seeming subjectively more potent due to its more rapid onset and increased sedation. As I am less likely to just become overwhelmed with sleepiness, a waste of a dose IMO as there has been occasions that I wake up to find the drug effect having long subsided, the average DOA being from my experience about 5 - 6 hours. As my high anxiety levels have always been and continue to be at the core of my bzd overuse I have never relied on intermediate acting benzos, using them only to ever compliment my stash as while I find them useful for precision anxiety management supporting my general drug abuse (on nights where I just want to hit the gear while still having a stone of crack or 2 left over for the morning coffee I can take a mg or 2 of alprazolam without having my wake up pipe suppressed) I always need access to a long acting 'pam to feel really secure (usually Diazepam or clonazepam). As the effect gradually wears off over the 18 - 24 hours I find that I am at lower risk of experiencing rebound collywobbles requiring no further dose, or perhaps one at half the strength of the original to stretch out the effect taper.

Although clonazepam takes longer than alot of other bzds to take effect, in my case 30 - 40 minutes on average I find that the anxiolytic properties maintain a super potent (I was raised on 2mg tablets which became my bzd of choice whenever I had a chance to do some doctor shopping while abroad) and consistent effect throughout its DOA. When compared to diazepam, which I will always value and consider the gold standard, I find I have to take a little more in equipotent equivalency - 30mg of dzp feels as effective as a 2mg Rivotril (while they work fine and do not have any real inferior effect, I have always considered Auden's domestic generic version to be lacking - when they first appeared at the start of the decade I tried a 2mg effort which after 10 years of 2mg Roche just seemed to have a bit less, well punch) despite 2mg being = to 40mg of dzp - despite the log duration I have always found diazepam to have the most rapid onset of action of any bzd I have tried beside buccal midazolam - on occasion taking as little as 10 mins to start working if taken with high fat content food such as a curry and perhaps it is due to this punch and the increased muscle relaxation that makes me feel that 0.5 mg of clz is more like taking 7.5mg of dzp, not 10.

Although it is not quite as pronounced as it is with diazepam, the muscle relaxation provided by clonazepam is another reason that I prefer it to alprazolam. Alp / 'Xanax' does have this effect in spades but when compared to other benzos it much less prominent. All of this combined with a reasonable retention of functionality makes it, IMO, a more practical drug to use that xanax as I feel I have less chance of appearing spannered if out and about, but due to its ability to remain subtle when doses are drastically escalated (taking an additional 10mg of diazepam while there is one already working its way through your brain is no big deal, but taking a second 2mg clonazepam is actually pretty ridiculous when one really thinks about it ((equiv. 40mg dzp to suddenly 80?)) it can easily catch people out with the whole 'delusions of sobriety' deal. Driving is about as hazardous as it gets when under the influence as at least when you are pissed or rolling on a pill or some shit you can take it slow and ride the high as you are aware of how battered-hammered that you are and as long as you don't end up with a cop watching you trundle along at 25mph, indicating at least 2 miles away from your turn and all the dead give aways you can make it (***). Yet waking up the day after a mg or 3 of clonazepam may result in a slightly foggy head but with no idea how impaired your driving actually is until some incident (hopefully not a crash) suddenly shows how fucked your reaction times are.

(***) - It is of course not cool to drive under the influence of alcohol or any drug and despite all the mistakes I have made it is the behaviour I still feel most ashamed of, as I managed to spend 18 years at the wheel in all sorts of states. Regardless of not getting caught - it is the amount of lives I put in danger that still makes my skin crawl and the one benefit of being on methadone is that I am no longer at the wheel, as even if the restrictions were not in place I still would not feel fit, as I am or course no longer as sharp as I was when driving like a prick.
 
Last edited:
It's about finding that sweet spot between experiencing the desirable sloppy-brained/sedative effects and full-on passing/blacking out.

The times I have blacked out on Benzos was usually when I combined them with Pregabalin I think, so perhaps that's a combo I'll avoid in future
 
is there much difference between Alzaprolam and Clonazepam, other than the former is shorter acting?
I agree with the conversion ratio given above, there's a benzo equivalence calculator (if you search for the ClinCalc site) that gives the same ratio -- 1mg clonazepam = 15mg diazepam; 10mg diazepam = 0.67mg clonazepam. It gives the same for alprazolam as clonazepam, which also seems about right to me since 0.5mg alprazolam feels stronger than 5mg diazepam (as some charts say) but weaker than 10mg (as Ashton and others say). But I understand more the higher ratio for alprazolam since it possesses a certain intensity even at lower doses that diazepam and clonazepam don't have IMO.

For all the hype, I actually find alprazolam to be one of the most effective for quick relief of panic or insomnia (at reasonable doses), but don't find it too enjoyable recreationally, certainly not as much as diazepam. Though I can see how its unique "punch" could be seen as recreational, and I do rate it over lorazepam for that reason.

I also agree with the post above regarding the general differences between alprazolam and clonazepam. Some people say they find the two similar except for duration, because both are very potent and neither has the "warmth" of diazepam (or nitrazepam/temazepam). Still, I think clonazepam is much closer to diazepam on this scale than alprazolam is, since it has some muscle relaxing properties and it tends be more "mellow" in effect, though it isn't as sedating as diazepam. Dissolving the tablet sublingually, I find clonazepam to kick in much faster, closer to 10-15 minutes. I also think it combines nicely with etizolam (0.5mg+0.5mg, about the strength of 10mg diazepam total); for me, the combo kind of resembles bromazepam in effect.

Alprazolam I find much "colder," felt only in the head and not the body, with a much more obvious potency and sudden onset. There is something unique about alprazolam when compared to the other anxiolytic benzos, more of a kinship with certain hypnotic benzos in its propensity to cause blackouts (not just amnesia like lorazepam) and to encourage compulsive redosing. Alprazolam is a triazolobenzodiazepine, like Halcion (triazolam), which is probably the hypnotic benzo most similar in feeling, so perhaps that explains it. [Some of the most impairing RC benzos are triazoloBZDs as well, notably clonazolam and flubromazolam.]

I had a psychiatrist tell me that he'd seen a heavy Xanax abuser in the ER having seizures from withdrawal who wasn't able to swallow alprazolam (which is not made in an injectable preparation), and all the injections of diazepam/lorazepam in the world weren't able to stop the seizures, and the patient ultimately died. Which suggested to the doctor some special properties pertaining to its triazolo- ring.
 
Surely there's an IV form of Alpraz????
I could be well wrong and it's not soluble in that manner.
He would need a rectal dose of Diaz which would go into the 200mg mark likely.... Still that would be slow acting :oops:
I am done with Benzos as any recreational sustance, they just keep me "sane".... Uyyeeeeee :cautious:
 
Surely there's an IV form of Alpraz????
I could be well wrong and it's not soluble in that manner.
He would need a rectal dose of Diaz which would go into the 200mg mark likely.... Still that would be slow acting :oops:
I am done with Benzos as any recreational sustance, they just keep me "sane".... Uyyeeeeee :cautious:

Well, alprazolam only appears to be soluble in chloroform and alcohol (ethanol/methanol), neither of which are used to make IV solutions... and some quick searching doesn't turn up anything for "parenteral" or "injectable" alprazolam, so I'm thinking there isn't.

Lorazepam [and midazolam], yes; diazepam, certainly. And after some more quick searching, clonazepam does appear to exist in an injectable form as well (despite seeming to be less common than injectable loraz/diaz or phenobarb, resepectively).
 
Diazepam is very bad for the veins I've read (unless diluted - in a lipid liquid, like it's absorption method is best) with IV.
IM is not as bad (obviously filter VERY carefully) but rectal (especially for those with seizures) and sublingual are safest & have the best BioAvailability methods. Oral may be the same to be fair - Depends on it's formula really.
 
is there much difference between Alzaprolam and Clonazepam, other than the former is shorter acting?

It really depends on your brain chemistry. Personally I find alprazolam is more sedating and impairing. Clonazepam is more functional but easier to black out on.

And the obvious: alprazolam is short acting, clonazepam is long acting.

Clonazepam also has more muscle relaxant effects but only if you have a low tolerance ime.

However taking big doses to try and get high ends to be a bit of a waste of time with benzos. You'll just black out or fall asleep before you get to enjoy anything. Less is often more especially if you can dodge tolerance by taking breaks.
 
Top