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So, @TripSitterNZ even though it says they did GCMS, this is not a GCMS report but a UV report? It looks like a kid drew the lines with crayons. This is not what I spent $120 for, at all. I wanted to see the raw GCMS data, but it seems like they may not even have raw data. Also, seems like I really should not trust the percentage they are giving me, from what you are saying. It could be a higher or lower percent than that.

I will pick up some of that darker product and send to E-Data. I won't get the percentage, but at least can check for known contaminants at a lower cost. I will try to get a picture as well.
 
indigoaura said:
I will pick up some of that darker product and send to E-Data. I won't get the percentage, but at least can check for known contaminants at a lower cost. I will try to get a picture as well.
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I think if these labs were good at finding contaminants we would have had all our answers to this thread a long time ago. They are just all looking completely bs at this point. Maybe politely ask for the GCMS data or your money back.
 
As always mate again very interesting discourse and snippets you have picked up up to share here. But...
G_Chem said:
I personally stopped using darker MDMA many years ago
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I didn't know you were Darkist! 😃
Sorry I am high and merry on Kava and weed again. It's difficult not to be jovial, especially when I'm feeling so much better physically after recovered tummy and digestive upset and ailments etc.

But my main point, one purely of hope and maybe a little reason:
G_Chem said:
God one day someone is going to mass produce Leuckart MDMA again and when they do we’ll all dance in celebration :)
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I would love to think that an entirely new synth route could be discovered, which would be sufficiently equal or superior to Leuckart.

Even more ideally- the drug war crumbles and MDMA is finally acknowledged and demanded as a valid therapeutic psychotherapy agent as is almost guaranteed to happen scientifically at least if not politically....

And we will see the beginning of saffrole tree (forget name) plantations.

Im an eternal optimist me. But look at weed legality in US, Canada, Other countiries.

United Kingdom within 10, likely 5 years max.
Shrooms increasingly legal over US.

The scientific evidence on psychedelic medicines safety and efficacy will continue to strengthen to the point of of virtual undeniability.

Okay lost my (weak) point. Im just optimistic more changes will occur. Nothing is fixed and I seriously hope that MDMA can improve greatly again and I really believe this could happen especially if all you guys keep at it and Trigger a tidal wave of awareness and enquiry and demand.



Happy returns for Christmas guys/girls. My first here at Bluelight but love this place and being accepted/among all you genuine, passionate souls here.🍻☺
 
indigoaura said:
So, @TripSitterNZ even though it says they did GCMS, this is not a GCMS report but a UV report? It looks like a kid drew the lines with crayons. This is not what I spent $120 for, at all. I wanted to see the raw GCMS data, but it seems like they may not even have raw data. Also, seems like I really should not trust the percentage they are giving me, from what you are saying. It could be a higher or lower percent than that.

I will pick up some of that darker product and send to E-Data. I won't get the percentage, but at least can check for known contaminants at a lower cost. I will try to get a picture as well.
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Hey there. I just want to suggest that if I was in your shoes the injustice but not just that cowardness and Frank dishonesty is what I would be motivated by most here and I think I would simply continue to contact them directly and politely and us are particularly an accurately as possible asking questions and making points so try and get some sort of sense and clarification even if it is just a basic admittance that they made up this or that or don't have such and such capability after all etc.

It would at least be like putting a liar on the spot but without backing them into a corner and certainly making them even more self-conscious and self humiliated by their own awareness and recognition.

I'm just thinking of yourself really and effort and hope you have put into this. Just feel really explicit about the fact all you care about is is exploring every possible Avenue to find some answers regarding this matter and please could they share any extra details with you which could help in the direction you go in.

If they can feel no pressure or embarrassment as well well then they may be more likely to open up and come a little cleaner with you.

That's all I will say because I know nothing of the real world matters in honesty and you have been dealing with them and doing this I'm just a kind of psychologist when it comes to people and angles of persuasion that's all plus a hugely unrealistic optimist at times.

Whatever happens don't be deterred and keep on probing nothing difficult is achievable without determination and a genuine belief.
 
Thanks, @AutoTripper. I will certainly keep emailing them, but I do not have a lot of optimism for this situation. I have already emailed them multiple times. I have emailed multiple contact addresses. No one has replied to me. I even used Google translate to type my message in Spanish in the hopes that perhaps it was a language issue and that would get a reply. Nothing. I will message them again and thank them for the PDF that appeared, but according to their advertising they state that the $120 includes, "a complete PDF report including the raw graphs and data from the techniques used."

I really expected more. At least I know not to waste my money on their services in the future.
 
Getting a little worried about @vash445. He has not logged in here since December 3. Back at the end of November, he said I should expect results for my samples in a few weeks.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Kambo is amazing for those living in deep jungle and infected with huge amounts of parasites. it will kill and cleanse their digestive system. Saldy australia has banned kambo now and NZ is looking to do the same. White people always ruin traditional things to make money.

It leaves you feeling quite better a few days later.
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What I heared about the death from kambo in Australia is that the person was probably under the effects of strong opiates for chronic pain and got pushed into quick withdrawal by the kambo.
 
Kambo without a doubt can kill. It’s a potent medicine not to be taken lightly. It’s the only substance i absolutely refuse to do without a sitter, and I’m usually a go solo kinda guy.

The “frog face” histamine reaction people get alone is dangerous and I’ve heard of throats closing. I highly suggest for those using it to look up breathing techniques for a closed throat.

Thankfully the histamine reaction is usually swift so a well trained guide can get a person through it if they wipe off the venom and then try to guide the persons breathing while they attempt to pull air through a wind pipe the size of a coffee straw for a few mins.

I’ve even heard of guides having to give breath in a CPR-esque fashion to participants to get them through.

I carry an epi-pen on me during a session just Incase although I’m worried there could be additional complications between the epi and the other active constituents. (One of which hits the norepinephrine system pretty hard.) So I keep on hand only if it’s a do or die situation.

My first time I had zero histamine reaction, while my brother got a lil froggy. Second time I only had a histamine reaction locally where the venom was applied.

Sad it’s being made illegal though, cuz I have a feeling there’s some big potential with it.

-GC
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Is it really necessary to burn your flesh and then apply the toxin to the wound though?

Sounds a bit like contracting bubonic plague to mask the effects of a cold to me...
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I have researched extensively and while it seems the venom is active via other ROA’s, the natives warn against using it via any ROA besides the burning method. According to the natives not using this method can lead to “frog disease.”

No clue if it’s just bullshit or not but I’m not keen on contracting no frog disease lol

Also another reason it’s administered via burns is because the substance is taken up by the lymphatic system when done this way. This is supposed to have a positive effect on the immune system from my research (years ago now so may be off.)

To me an hour of getting sick (don’t read into my 24hr chuck session, I do that without any drugs sometimes) which is the typical duration, is worth the weeks of after effects as well as strengthening my immune system.

Remember too that you aren’t just chucking @F.U.B.A.R. you got the dermorphin and other opioid peptide that i forget the name of fucking you up proper. Your throwing up but your pretty numbed and spaced out during, like the venom tries to protect you from the harshest parts of the experience. (Or the frog wants you puking and nodding so it can hop away lol.)

I’m one that thinks most people should try most drugs, but Kambo is unique and only for those that need it or are masochistic lol.

Sorry though I’ll stop distracting from topic now :)

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Kambo without a doubt can kill. It’s a potent medicine not to be taken lightly. It’s the only substance i absolutely refuse to do without a sitter, and I’m usually a go solo kinda guy.
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Hyponatremia is something to watch for too. I heard of someone dying because he drank way too much water without puking it during a ceremony somewhere in the USA.
 
Damn swines on making Kambo illegal. Useful timing after the recentlt bigvnewsl8ne desth in the jungle of a British tourist.

I seriously hope it remains legal in the UK because I definitely need to see this treatment out. Typical bastards.
 
So my tlc experiments haven't made much progress, but I'd like to do something proactive into the new year.

Maybe we could pick up on @Glubrahnum 's idea of sending a similar substance to MDMA to some of the testing services and seeing if they can differentiate it or not: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/thread...the-mdma-available-today.791073/post-14649553

So what's the best way of going about it? Which compound would be most illuminating in testing these services? Can it/they be bought for a reasonable amount, and are they legel in the uk? I was thinking of testing out e.g. Wedinos, Energy Control.

I think this one came top on the list, but the shipping and handling to the EU is 100 dollars on this site
 
So, I picked up some of that sassy smelling product. Tested it. It is NOT MDMA. Looks like MDA, but I suppose it is possible it is 6APB. Marquis went purple black; Mandelin went black; Simon's did nothing. My Mecke test is too old and has changed colors. I could not get a clear result with the Mecke.

In any case, this is not something I would consume without lab verification, just to be safe. Also, not so sure how I feel about MDA at this point in my life. It really messed me up the last time I did it. I got the most severe headache and thought I would need to go to the ER. Admittedly, I had mixed it with 2CB which was apparently ill-advised, but still. I feel more cautious about MDA now.
 
Also, finally, from IEC (@AutoTripper, thanks for the encouragement here. I emailed them again and explained our efforts in more detail, and finally got a reply):

Your sample was analyzed with GC/MS for the qualitative analysis and UV for
the quantitative analysis.We quantify against an MDMA.HCl standard, so the
maximum theoretical purity is 100%, out of which your sample tested as 80%
MDMA.HCl. I'm back in the lab next week and can share the raw data for the
sample with you, if you'd like. It's in .d format, although I can't recall
off the top of my head if this sample in particular was done through TIC or
SIM (my colleague handles this kind of analysis, but I'll gather all the
relevant data and send it to you).
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indigoaura said:
Also, finally, from IEC (@AutoTripper, thanks for the encouragement here. I emailed them again and explained our efforts in more detail, and finally got a reply):
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Will wait and see, there should be no way thay are running selected ion mode SIM if they are then they will simply not see so many things.
there are plenty of free MS programs that can read a agilent .d file.
the 80% by UV IS is absolutely worthless or meaningless unless there were no other compounds present that absorb UV with a similar spectrum as MDMA.
testing the drug testers is pretty pointless, it will not get us any closer to an answer about meh or magic all it will show is how low is low when it comes to the quality data of the testers produce.
 
Happy New Year!

If nothing else, the experience of documenting all these various samples/effects has been really interesting.

I decided to dose the tested product as though it were genuinely 80% MDMA. I decided I wanted a 120 mg starting dose, so I took 150 mg. On my re-doses, they weighed at 100 mg, so would have been 80 mg re-doses (theoretically).

I ate lunch at noon, and did not eat anything else other than 3 chicken nuggets around 6 pm. So, I was very hungry when I actually took the first dose.

At 11 pm, took 150 mg.

I felt like I was feeling something about 15 minutes later. Not a lot, but something. 30 minutes later, I was feeling it. My eyes were dilating already at 30 minutes in.

So, here is where it gets interesting. The vibe was soooo different than any of the products I have done recently. Also, it felt incredibly clean. I think @G_Chem has commented on how really clean product feels like you are not on anything at all, and that is kind of what this was like. I just felt really happy with everyone I was surrounded with, and deeply content. It felt like a really good day.

However, the product completely lacked any "rushy" or "speedy" sensations. It felt devoid of dopamine to me. Out of everything I have tried, if anything was isomer heavy and not racemic, it was this stuff. There was a subtle, soft, psychedelia as well. Not visuals or anything so obvious, but just the way the brain made connections between ideas was very psychedelic in nature. Someone had put the movie "Holy Mountain" on I was having all these ideas and symbolic interpretations of what I was seeing in the film.

At midnight, I got hit with a wave of nausea and had to go sit down. Everyone clinked glasses and I was like, "Whoa, I need to find a sofa."

However, I never felt sleepy like on the meh stuff. I was eager to talk and sit with people and socialize. I did tarot reading with some friends.

At 12:45, I took a second dose of 100 mg (80 mg).

I continued hanging with people, playing music, talking, wandering the party etc.

Probably around 3 am, I took another 100 mg (80 mg) re-dose.

Sex was different too. Usually X sex is very feral for me, but this was just incredibly intimate and warm. Unique, but not like my typical experience.

Probably around 5 am, I just suddenly became super tired. I started falling asleep while watching movies with people. I got up and went to bed. Slept fine. Woke up feeling great. I would be very surprised if there is any come-down, because it all just felt so clean. No headaches or stomach aches or any of that bullshit.

However, I never had major jaw clenching or eye jitters.

My eyes DID dilate though.

Go figure.

It just makes me wonder how many variations in MDMA there are, because clearly, each batch is just DIFFERENT. This stuff was not like anything I have had before, but it was lovely and light. Honestly, I'd like to stock up and keep it around as an option, because it worked really well for socializing. However, I don't know that it would work that well for the "all night sex" component that my partner and I enjoy. I can't say that physical touch really felt enhanced with this product, although there was an enhanced feeling of connection & closeness.

Empathy - 7
Euphoria - 6
Psychedelic imagery/thoughts - 6
Eye Jitters - 0
Jaw clenching - 2
Eye dilation - 7
Tactile sensations - 3
Pro-social behavior - 7
Sleepiness - 0
 
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