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Social Justice Transgender and gender identity discussion

JessFR said:
I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't particularly want anyone to feel like they have to leave, including JGrimez. But the rules say you can't promote hatred of groups of people. I agree with those rules because I believe bluelights overall harm reduction mission is more important than free speech in this political subforum. And in my interpretation, repeatedly linking pedophilia to being transgender is doing exactly that.

You or Grimez are welcome to take it above me and argue that it's either not against the rules or shouldn't be. But right now I believe it is, and I believe it's right that it is.

You're allowed to have your beliefs, and I'd fight for your right to express those beliefs in the general public discourse. Even if it hurts people. But this is a private forum intended to support drug users. And drug use is disproportionately high in the very minority groups these rules are meant to protect. So allowing free speech doesn't seem compatible with the best interests of bluelights mission of harm reduction.

Id like to now get back on topic if possible. If anyone wants to debate this course of action further, there are higher up staff you can take your arguments too.
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I don't think that discussing a perceived problem or potential problem within a community means that you're promoting hatred of that community. I certainly am not meaning to. But it's gotten to the point where you can't even criticize something without being labelled a bigot. Just because someone has a problem with certain things that fall under the topic of transgender and gender identity doesn't mean they hate transgender people. But I'm probably just wasting my breath here.
 
Can we like, keep the thread to talking about actual transgender topics instead of just accusing us of being pedophiles lmao. Literally none of those articles mention anything about trans people.
 
ErosEgirl said:
What does this have to do with trans people?
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absolutely nothing. the sexualization of children would be a valid discussion in its own thread, so long as it was based on actual facts, like say trump's miss teen universe pageants that he loved being in the dressing rooms creepily watching naked pre-teen girls, or Biden's creepy af behavior around young girls, but anything having to do with the "pizzagate" conspiracy or calling lgbt people pedophiles is not appropriate anywhere

next person that calls lgbt people pedophiles, no matter how subtly or coyly they do it, gets a free vacation
 
ErosEgirl said:
I already posted this in another forum but I'll post here too: Hello, I'm a trans girl in the flesh. I see a lot of really strange information here and a lot of genuine curiosity. If any of y'all have specific questions that you want answered feel free to PM me or ask here :)
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How did you discover that you are trans? Did you go through a lot of therapy? What is your sexuality? Did you get the full SRS or not? I know there are varying degrees of being trans and not everyone gets the surgery or all of it.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
How did you discover that you are trans? Did you go through a lot of therapy? What is your sexuality? Did you get the full SRS or not? I know there are varying degrees of being trans and not everyone gets the surgery or all of it.
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When I started getting 'masculine' secondary sex characteristics like body hair/facial hair/deeper voice/etc. I have always been androgynous, but am more feminine-of-center.
I went through a fair bit of therapy but it wasn't only focused on gender identity. Just general mental health counseling. I wasn't distressed about being trans, so that helped. I started hormones long before counseling by ordering them illegally. I do not recommend this in any way. It's just what worked for me at the time.

I am bisexual, for lack of a better word. I just don't care what gender or sex my lover is :)

If you mean bottom surgery, no. I don't want it. I have natural 34C cup breasts but I might want bigger breasts in the future.
 
tathra said:
I believe that's pansexual, bisexual would exclude non-binary folks at least
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As someone who actually is bisexual the idea that being bisexual excludes attraction to intersex and trans people, or people who are a third gender or sex is bullshit.

There are people who are actually pansexual but they are paedos and have sex with animals as well.

Alton Coleman #771

www.clarkprosecutor.org

A prison psychiatric profile found Coleman, a ninth grade dropout with an IQ on the lower edge of normal, to be ''a pansexual willing to have intercourse with any object, women, men, children, whatever.''
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
As someone who actually is bisexual the idea that being bisexual excludes attraction to intersex and trans people, or people who are a third gender or sex is bullshit.

There are people who are actually pansexual but they are paedos and have sex with animals as well.

Alton Coleman #771

www.clarkprosecutor.org

A prison psychiatric profile found Coleman, a ninth grade dropout with an IQ on the lower edge of normal, to be ''a pansexual willing to have intercourse with any object, women, men, children, whatever.''
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Sigh.
 
I have a surgery upcoming, on December 2nd to work on my sinuses so that I might feel comfortable enough not to be a mouth-breather, to maybe approach a girl and feel comfortable with the prospect of kissing her.

In a registration call for the surgery, a woman made the question of sex far too complicated for what is rational. It took like 20 seconds for her to ask the question-- going over how I 'identify', if it's the same as what I was 'assigned at birth', or whatever. My answer:

"Sex- Male. Yea."
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I guess they have to worry about some kind of dumb law-suit, some asshole that can't just be scientifically identified as what they actually are...

People need to get over themselves.

Oh yea- I just saw on a film that's on the television, a girl was in jail- It's a comedy, and she tells this one person that they should wear less make-up, and the person says "I'm a dude". It was a dude dressed as a girl, in a female holding cell. And he plainly said "I'm a dude". Haha. I imagine that is edgy now.
 
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I have a surgery upcoming, on December 2nd to work on my sinuses so that I might feel comfortable enough not to be a mouth-breather, to maybe approach a girl and feel comfortable with the prospect of kissing her.

In a registration call for the surgery, a woman made the question of sex far too complicated for what is rational. It took like 20 seconds for her to ask the question-- going over how I 'identify', if it's the same as what I was 'assigned at birth', or whatever. My answer:



I guess they have to worry about some kind of dumb law-suit, some asshole that can't just be scientifically identified as what they actually are...

People need to get over themselves.

Oh yea- I just saw on a film that's on the television, a girl was in jail- It's a comedy, and she tells this one person that they should wear less make-up, and the person says "I'm a dude". It was a dude dressed as a girl. Haha.
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That sounds pretty standard for a medical intake. Your answer was appropriate and quick. If it's that bothersome, just interject and say that you decline to answer or provide your answer without her having to continue the question. I'm sorry that it was frustrating for you.
 
I've been thinking about this lately.

I think I made a mistake.

I've said in the past, that while I believe in respecting people by using their preferred pronouns, I wouldn't do it with people who didn't want to be referred to by any pronouns. I basically felt that was a bridge too far. And that I wasn't willing to do that.

Having thought more about it lately. I think I was wrong. I admit I'd still find it very difficult to refer to someone as "they" or "them" exclusively. And I suspect if I actually knew someone who wanted to be addressed like that, I would frequently stumble. But if it were ever asked of me. I would now do my best to respect it.

It would be difficult for me. But not as difficult as it could be for them. And having thought about it more, I don't think I could justify to myself deliberately disrespecting, insulting, and potentially hurting such a person just because I'm too lazy to even try and use their desired pronouns.

I try to always make a point of openly admitting when I feel I've made a mistake. And I feel I have. I was wrong.
 
JessFR said:
I've been thinking about this lately.

I think I made a mistake.

I've said in the past, that while I believe in respecting people by using their preferred pronouns, I wouldn't do it with people who didn't want to be referred to by any pronouns. I basically felt that was a bridge too far. And that I wasn't willing to do that.

Having thought more about it lately. I think I was wrong. I admit I'd still find it very difficult to refer to someone as "they" or "them" exclusively. And I suspect if I actually knew someone who wanted to be addressed like that, I would frequently stumble. But if it were ever asked of me. I would now do my best to respect it.

It would be difficult for me. But not as difficult as it could be for them. And having thought about it more, I don't think I could justify to myself deliberately disrespecting, insulting, and potentially hurting such a person just because I'm too lazy to even try and use their desired pronouns.

I try to always make a point of openly admitting when I feel I've made a mistake. And I feel I have. I was wrong.
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This is extremely kind. Using they/them is a bit difficult to get used to, but the light that you can put in someone's eyes when you even attempt to respect them is so lovely.
 
singular "they" can take some getting used to, but it's not like it doesn't get used pretty regularly already; remember what you you told your parents when you were younger and didn't them to know you were going to see your SO? or any other time you want to be intentionally vague about who you're talking about

it only feels awkward because you aren't used to it yet, that goes away pretty quickly
 
ErosEgirl said:
Can we like, keep the thread to talking about actual transgender topics instead of just accusing us of being pedophiles lmao. Literally none of those articles mention anything about trans people.
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Hey I have a question, how do you feel personally when you come across groups like us or anywhere discussing transgender issues?

I gotta say, I'm probably the most asexual I have ever been, totes not give a shit about any kind of relationship or sex due to many reasons. I just can't relate right now so find it hard to see the big deal in sexuality or being free to express it at all.

Probably gone loopy due to pretty extreme need to be away from people lol.

Is it really a big deal and can't we just be ourselves who never we are?
 
tathra said:
my source is on the face of it. learn what words mean instead of getting bent out of shape because you disagree with their definitions
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I'd much rather have a conversation about it.

Using your definition for bisexuality is that same reason some conservative groups have started the "drop the B" movement. They think that it is in direct conflict with the definition of transgender and therefor should be erased.

It's literally the definition of bi-erasure, what you are attempting to do.

Bisexuality is an umbrella term, just like transgender.
 
w01fg4ng said:
Using your definition for bisexuality is that same reason some conservative groups have started the "drop the B" movement. They think that it is in direct conflict with the definition of transgender and therefor should be erased.
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theres no conversation to have, idgaf if you disagree with what words mean, that doesn't change their definitions
 
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