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If Jesus died for our sins...

I have seen satan on dmt lsd and shrooms. I have also seen shiva on all three. Its the collective unconsciousness that jung talks about. I don't think they are totally real beings just aspects of the human psyche to translate the mystical union of the universe.
 
I didn't ask him to die for my sins and I resent being told that I should in anyway be grateful for this so-called sacrifice nor constantly reminded of it.
What kind of smug condescending cocksucker thinks that by dying he's somehow atoning for everyone else's bad deeds and that then they forever after are indebted to him for something he did even though no one asked him to.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
He died because he forgot his safe word.
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How does one forget to say 'banana'.
But a hilarious way to from now on remember jesus.im gunna tell everyone that's why he died from now on.i find all this Jesus discussion depressing but now you've given me a hilarious new outlook on it.
 
draculic acid69 said:
What kind of smug condescending cocksucker thinks that by dying he's somehow atoning for everyone else's bad deeds and that then they forever after are indebted to him for something he did even though no one asked him to.
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Well to be fair from what I can understand of Jesus the man from my own research into the texts is that all the Christianity religion doctrine haws very little to nothing to do with what he was trying to do. I think he was trying to say we all just need to love each other and we can have heaven on Earth if we treat each other as family, and that we don't need a church to connect to our spirituality. He was murdered for fomenting civil unrest and challenging the Roman status quo. Then, over the next couple of hundred years, people wrote things based on their interpretation of what he was saying long before they ever lived. And then the Roman empire took control of the emerging faith and used it to inspire fear and guilt in the people so they would remain under their control. Jesus wasn't trying to say "I'm lord over you, you're all shit, you better thank me for dying for you". I'm quite sure he didn't actually want to be brutally murdered, what he wanted was to help people live better lives and disrupt the corrupt establishment.

I'm not Christian either, by the way. I was raised Christian (not Catholic though), but never really bought into it. I just think Jesus himself was a good and wise man and I like to defend him and try to let people know that what the religion has become today is so incredibly opposed to what he seems to have wanted. I doubt he even had any intention of creating an organized religion... since his whole point was to reconnect people to their own spirituality. Even just reading the few books the Catholic church allowed into the Bible, his words seem opposed to what the church teaches. But then if you look into the books that they DIDN'T let into the Bible, it makes it even clearer that what Christianity the religion teaches is NOT what Jesus taught.
 
LordFran said:
@draculic acid69 you are so edgy that what Foreigner wrote just flew right over your head...or u probably didnt read...
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Yeh I can see how I came across as edgy.i really dislike religion and it shows.and I didn't read it coz I find Jesus talk depressing which is why I didn't read it.the ONLY good part of this thread was the safe word joke.someone needs to make a meme of that.
 
LordFran said:
@swilow When you smoke DMT and see krishna smiling down at you from the sky, you have to understand that what you are seeing men have seen before you, and thats why they reported on it. This may not be case, their may be a better explanation for vividly seeing lord krishna or ganesh...do you have any speculations on how this could be?
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I don't know if it means anything in particular. I wonder how often Hindu deities appear to people with no exposure to the religion?

DMT has a genuine mystical element to it. Most people who smoke it will have something best described as a mystical or spiritual experience and the most interesting part is that you do not need any religious doctrine, dogma, ancient literature or unfounded assumptions about the nature of reality to experience the magic of this. It's there for anyone who is willing to smoke it, sinners, believers, unfaithful and even atheists. ❤

I've seen alien insect entities peering into me while operating gearwheel-driven, clockwork spaceships and telling me to spread the message and remove my pants. I have no idea what this means, but if Krishna appearing to DMT users says something about the reality of Krishna, do we need to start guessing the morality of these insectile starfarers and condemn pant wearers?

Fwiw, the visions of DMT seem less vital than the the shift of conscious experience that occurs simultaneously. This change in the positioning of the Self in relation to our experience suggests a lot about the true nature of existence and consciousness if we could only overlook the more intense visual display.
 
swilow said:
I don't know if it means anything in particular. I wonder how often Hindu deities appear to people with no exposure to the religion?

DMT has a genuine mystical element to it. Most people who smoke it will have something best described as a mystical or spiritual experience and the most interesting part is that you do not need any religious doctrine, dogma, ancient literature or unfounded assumptions about the nature of reality to experience the magic of this. It's there for anyone who is willing to smoke it, sinners, believers, unfaithful and even atheists. ❤

I've seen alien insect entities peering into me while operating gearwheel-driven, clockwork spaceships and telling me to spread the message and remove my pants. I have no idea what this means, but if Krishna appearing to DMT users says something about the reality of Krishna, do we need to start guessing the morality of these insectile starfarers and condemn pant wearers?

Fwiw, the visions of DMT seem less vital than the the shift of conscious experience that occurs simultaneously. This change in the positioning of the Self in relation to our experience suggests a lot about the true nature of existence and consciousness if we could only overlook the more intense visual display.
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I believe all these entities are linked through the universal mind and collective human unconsciouness each representing a part of our mind. Stansilov grof had clients report very bizzare enities which with further research was very obscure gods of primitive cultures.

I personally like 5-meo-dmt more since its not the visual show of dmt and will instead bring you to god consciousness and divine union with the white light and become infinite. The more you do 5-meo-dmt you will eventually experine answers to all questions around existence god reality and consciousness
 
5 MEo DMT is so panic inducing to me, I find it hard to let go. The best experiences I had were extremely low dose IVed (do not reccomend) while on either zolpidem or zopiclone and was relaxed enough to not freak out...every other time, it's been so intense that I cannot shake the need for the experience to end.

I don't know how much I agree the Jungian archetype theory or the collective unconscious but it does seem we have certain shared visual templates that can be accessed in certain states. Though I tend to think it's more the power of the mind in creating patterns from chaos and trying to render something chaotic into a meaningful substantive experience. It's no surprise that DMT visions often feature faces and our brains are basically wired to respond to facelike visual data even when there really isn't anything objectively facelike to sense.

It's interesting that many conversations on spirituality and religion often end up discussing psychedelics. I dont see much of a connection between religion and tripping myself mainly because I don't see much connection between religion and spirituality for the most part. Psychedelics seem inherently spiritual and antireligion from where I sit.
 
Xorkoth said:
Well to be fair from what I can understand of Jesus the man from my own research into the texts is that all the Christianity religion doctrine haws very little to nothing to do with what he was trying to do. I think he was trying to say we all just need to love each other and we can have heaven on Earth if we treat each other as family, and that we don't need a church to connect to our spirituality. He was murdered for fomenting civil unrest and challenging the Roman status quo. Then, over the next couple of hundred years, people wrote things based on their interpretation of what he was saying long before they ever lived. And then the Roman empire took control of the emerging faith and used it to inspire fear and guilt in the people so they would remain under their control. Jesus wasn't trying to say "I'm lord over you, you're all shit, you better thank me for dying for you". I'm quite sure he didn't actually want to be brutally murdered, what he wanted was to help people live better lives and disrupt the corrupt establishment.

I'm not Christian either, by the way. I was raised Christian (not Catholic though), but never really bought into it. I just think Jesus himself was a good and wise man and I like to defend him and try to let people know that what the religion has become today is so incredibly opposed to what he seems to have wanted. I doubt he even had any intention of creating an organized religion... since his whole point was to reconnect people to their own spirituality. Even just reading the few books the Catholic church allowed into the Bible, his words seem opposed to what the church teaches. But then if you look into the books that they DIDN'T let into the Bible, it makes it even clearer that what Christianity the religion teaches is NOT what Jesus taught.
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I agree with A lot of what you said.

I really feel bad for people, who have such vile and crude vitriol for him because they have obviously been hurt by the Christian churches' misunderstanding of Jesus' message. I really believe that he has just been misunderstood but he even predicted that there would be many that wouldn't understand because they are blinded by their own piety and self righteousness that they neither truly know God or carry his message. They twists his words to exalt themselves.

Jesus' didn't want to be worshiped. He came to let everyone know that we are all son's and daughters of God that divinity is inside each and everyone one of us and when we awake to the message of love, compassion, service to others and forgiveness then our eyes are opened and we become born again in the spirit.

He knew he was going to be a sacrifice because people had the same misunderstanding and blindness back then that they have today but his sacrifice was out of love. His sacrifice on the cross was a broader message of sacrificing oneself as the path to defeat sin and the death of the spirit or separation from God and others. Baptism carries the same symbolic message. When one is dipped into the water they are in essence dying. They are no longer to serve themselves but
are to be born again to serve God and the spirit.

My grandmother was the most sincere christian I have ever seen and the happiest woman as well. She lived in a little trailer in a rough part of town and even though she didn't have any money she would spend her days riding around feeding and clothing homeless people. She really had a beautiful heart and understood that dying to oneself defeats sin and suffering.

Buddhism has basically the same concept but they go about it differently.
The basis of Buddhism is a doctrine known as the Four Noble Truths. The First Truth is that suffering, pain, and misery exist in life. The Second Truth is that this suffering is caused by selfish craving and personal desire. ... The Fourth Truth is that the way to overcome this misery is through the Eightfold Path.

Pain, suffering and sin exists because we follow our baser cravings and desires. When we serve ourselves we will always exist in this state and will constantly feel empty and unfulfilled, while spreading more of the same. The way to transcend this is by service to God and the word. Love thy neighbor as thyself.

He is the way and the path. He simply asks you to follow him so that you might be saved from the wages of sin, which is death of the spirit and separation from God.
 
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Baptism in early days was used to induce near death experinces literally make the dmt flash their brain for the person to have a spiritual experince. They would almost drown them unlike baptisms today
 
The DMT during death thing is a totally unfounded theory by Strassman, it is not a fact (in his book he also states he's just guessing). So many people repeat it as if it's a proven fact and there has never been any evidence that there is a flood of DMT when you die, or when you almost die, or are born, or have an orgasm (I've heard some people say that). Near-death experience or death experience reports don't ever say "whoa man I got consumed by a chrysanthemum of fractals and saw machine elves". I have never heard an account from someone who died and came back that sounded anything like any DMT trip I've had. DMT is present in trace amounts and acts as a neurotransmitter which is why it has been found in cerebrospinal fluid. It's possible it's released in a flood when dying but I just don't like people repeating it as a fact.

I've also never seen anything to tell me that they used to almost drown babies when baptizing them. Where did you hear that?
 
Xorkoth said:
The DMT during death thing is a totally unfounded theory by Strassman, it is not a fact (in his book he also states he's just guessing). So many people repeat it as if it's a proven fact and there has never been any evidence that there is a flood of DMT when you die, or when you almost die, or are born, or have an orgasm (I've heard some people say that). Near-death experience or death experience reports don't ever say "whoa man I got consumed by a chrysanthemum of fractals and saw machine elves". I have never heard an account from someone who died and came back that sounded anything like any DMT trip I've had. DMT is present in trace amounts and acts as a neurotransmitter which is why it has been found in cerebrospinal fluid. It's possible it's released in a flood when dying but I just don't like people repeating it as a fact.

I've also never seen anything to tell me that they used to almost drown babies when baptizing them. Where did you hear that?
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New studie (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45812-w)


done in near death sitations this year on rats measured large increases of dmt in the rats brain. My sister almost died at 3 years old and drawed a tunnel of light with relatives that were long dead before she was born and gave very accurate descriptions of what they looked like.

I heard that when adults were getting baptized in the early founding days of Christianity they would be held under the water for a long time bringing them to near death. I forgot what spirituality book i read this in
 
I totally believe the near death experience is real, I have just never had that kind of experience on DMT, at all. Have you? I think what's going on with death is a lot more complicated than a blast of DMT. I'm going to check that study though. It's not that I am saying it's wrong, it's just that a lot of people confidently tell other people it's fact and then they believe it as if it has been proven.

I'm gonna check out that study you linked to.
 
I have had similar experinces on high dose shrooms where i have seen dead relatives guiding me to the light from a dark trip. I haven't on dmt but on 5-meo-dmt i enter the white light every time.
 
Xorkoth said:
"I'm lord over you, you're all shit, you better thank me for dying for you"
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He was technically a Jewish scholar who told everyone that they are God too. It doesn't say anything except He died so that you may know the truth about Sin and Redemption. It's a Theology. Philosophy. It's a story about humanity for humanity.
 
Shrooms00087 said:
He was technically a Jewish scholar who told everyone that they are God too. It doesn't say anything except He died so that you may know the truth about Sin and Redemption. It's a Theology. Philosophy. It's a story about humanity for humanity.
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Just bcoz he died doesn't in anyway teach anyone about sin and redemption.all it teaches us is that if you nail a guy to a cross and leave him in the sun they die.the truth about sin is they're the powerful needs and urges that everything has and it doesn't mean that they're a bad person.the truth about redemption is you don't need to redeem yourself for half the stuff the church says you need to redeem yourself for.just bcoz some cunt got nailed to the wall doesn't tell anyone the truth about anything.
 
Shrooms00087 said:
He was technically a Jewish scholar who told everyone that they are God too. It doesn't say anything except He died so that you may know the truth about Sin and Redemption. It's a Theology. Philosophy. It's a story about humanity for humanity.
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I agree that he was a Jewish scholar who told everyone that they are all God too. And I agree with this message. He died for this teachings but I don't think it was necessary or part of a plan, it was retribution. My guess would be he would have preferred to not have been nailed to a cross, and would have chosen to live and keep teaching.
 
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