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Ur totally right bro and that sounds like a noble cause, raising benzo awareness. As far as I'm concern nobody knows fuck all about benzos, not even really the doctors handing them out. I know I didn't know what I was getting myself into first when I started taking them, and had I known I never would have started.

My anxiety is worse than it ever was since starting with benzos and now I'm forced to taper off, so what did I gain? Not a god damn thing that's what.

And we're in the middle of an opioid crisis then. HA. The opioid crisis doesn't exist. The benzo crisis is certainly spreading like a god damn plague tho isn't it.

Yeah, I have been doing etiz since it was marketed. Every year more and more people are getting fucked over. I consider it a world crisis and nobody is doing anything about it. Opioid crisis? There is one, but everyone knows those are bad news at this point and there is a lot of treatment available too. I could have got on suboxone in about a day. Goes to show how much I trust these so-called professionals. Most people don't really know what benzos are and it is time that somebody lets them know who isn't a drug nerd and is scientific but can also speak to the people about how this is destroying families, tearing lives apart without people even knowing and how it amounts to fucking corporate enslavement. I will do everything in my power to stop them and I am a very powerful person. They are highly legally protected, but this is a question of morals and values of our species. The greed is disgusting.
 
Yeah dopie jay bro I hope you are staying sane. I have already reverted to Christianity. Praying to Christ has been the only thing keeping me alive. Ive been at 25% my original dose. I can't even really remember. Hell. Hell on earth. I remember screaming and crying and breaking down after over a week and I'll never be the same. I no longer wish to use this drug to continue using it, and I never will again.

It is awful what has become of me. It's an extremely severe case of benzodiazepine dependency and I am not going down without a fight. If they refuse a long term taper I will go to the news if I want to. As this is one hell of a story, what is going on in our country. Nobody is standing up for it. Someone out in your end already died and was in the news years ago and nothing was done. What the fuck is up with that? They must have been paid off man. Anyways, I don't have all the time in the world and I need to get this going.

I am not just doing this for myself or my immediate family. The world at large needs to shut the fuck up and listen to how horrific this family of drugs is. I envision my life not being addicted to them, and man, I lost that person. That person no longer exists. I will eventually feel like myself again if I'm lucky but the dose is so high. I will not be treated like a drug addict and given the option of rehab. I need to be out of rehab. I need to be on the streets handing out pamphlets, doing everything I can because eventually if I try hard enough somebody is going to want to talk to me and I don't mean the police haha I'm not a criminal I smoke weed and take benzos. I mean, people who need this kind of information. I personally think ideally it would be the news, and I would be an arrogant asshole to everyone involved in this industry about it. People who do speak out seem so shocked and sad by the loss of loved ones, that they are ignored.I am a DRAGON and I am NOT to be fucked with.
 
Yeah dopie jay bro I hope you are staying sane. I have already reverted to Christianity. Praying to Christ has been the only thing keeping me alive. Ive been at 25% my original dose. I can't even really remember. Hell. Hell on earth. I remember screaming and crying and breaking down after over a week and I'll never be the same. I no longer wish to use this drug to continue using it, and I never will again.

It is awful what has become of me. It's an extremely severe case of benzodiazepine dependency and I am not going down without a fight. If they refuse a long term taper I will go to the news if I want to. As this is one hell of a story, what is going on in our country. Nobody is standing up for it. Someone out in your end already died and was in the news years ago and nothing was done. What the fuck is up with that? They must have been paid off man. Anyways, I don't have all the time in the world and I need to get this going.

I am not just doing this for myself or my immediate family. The world at large needs to shut the fuck up and listen to how horrific this family of drugs is. I envision my life not being addicted to them, and man, I lost that person. That person no longer exists. I will eventually feel like myself again if I'm lucky but the dose is so high. I will not be treated like a drug addict and given the option of rehab. I need to be out of rehab. I need to be on the streets handing out pamphlets, doing everything I can because eventually if I try hard enough somebody is going to want to talk to me and I don't mean the police haha I'm not a criminal I smoke weed and take benzos. I mean, people who need this kind of information. I personally think ideally it would be the news, and I would be an arrogant asshole to everyone involved in this industry about it. People who do speak out seem so shocked and sad by the loss of loved ones, that they are ignored.I am a DRAGON and I am NOT to be fucked with.
People even hear it every day, rappers nowadays talking about popping Xanax til they can't function and yet it's still ok? Gtfo. Ain't nothing ok about it. I've been using every opioid from tramadol to oxy to fentanyl and heroin since I was 14 and never once had withdrawal any worse than a bit of nausea, diarrhea, depression and a runny nose. I've been on benzos for nearly 3 years and I CANT fucking STOP no matter how hard I try. It's utter torture.

And what I said about there being no opioid crisis was a bit of a stretch. There IS an opioid crisis. Specifically a fentanyl crisis. I wouldn't even call it an opioid crisis. It's an OVERDOSE crisis.

10-12 years of opiate use and no major addiction vs 3 years of benzo use and crippling addiction. It kinda speaks for itself.

Even you had a bad heroin addiction which you say pales in comparison.
 
Man, my dealer even said two of his friends had seizures and lost their licenses. That would suck, I just got a car, although I am beyond the realm of material possessions at this point of my life. Except for enchanted items.

It is literally TORTURE man. HELL. HLLL!!! It's just like all day all night all day all night it's all a blur and in my mind I'm going through SO much and sometimes I'm like make it stop, make it STOP. But I can't. When does it end?

I had a serious H habit as well, it was def going to kill me if I kept at it I would not be ere right now. I can't believe I survived that. But this has me worried or my health 12 days into a steep taper drop. I feel in danger right now I just switched from xanax and valium to etizolam due to supply issues and I don't really know my tolerance. I have to be conservative. So like, I'm basically risking my life because there is so much stigma around this health problem. I'm starting to have fuckin tremors man I can't take it anymore. Eventually I become exhausted like just give in to it.

But yeah man when I quit heroin it was actually one of the happiest times of my life. I had a lovely girlfriend too and I saw her every night it was great. And I was sane back then man. At least a little.

My heroin habit was totally fucked, over a year later I still don't feel right from that well I kept going with the oxy after I stopped the H but really this is such a more severe problem that opiate addiction is irrelevant at this point. If I could afford it, I'd probably buy a gram to help see me through. Wouldn't give a fuck right now I feel so messed up man I can't take it anymore I don't feel safe I just want to feel SAFE man I know this withdrawal ENDS LIVES for fucks sake and doctors of all people give it out? Man, didn't they go to school for like 15 years? DOn't know what's going on there I thought they were smart man I really odontological feel safe right now I really dont feel safe.
 
I am with you on the can't quit part. I cannot fucking do it and it is tearing my whole entire life apart. I do not feel safe right now. I don't want to dose early. But I do not feel safe. I will feel less safe if I use more. I can't take this anymore man I'm going to snap. Seriously, one day I am going to snap. But I will be arguing with the doctors that is for sure. Their medication is too weak for me at this point anyway nobody is going to prescribe me like 8mg of klonopin a day or like 8 bars wtf?

I would die in detox. These withdrawals were extreme 6 years ago I'd wake up having tremors. I was probably having seizures man. This is so fucked I can't leave my family behind but I have chronic pain and things don't look good benzos kill and I've been on them non stop for 6 years I simply can't fucking quit they are ruining my life. Maybe I can make an impact on the world somehow there have to be people in the same situation. It isn't like other addictions it's not like running out of dope or weed and get pissy or whatever. It would drop me dead taking this much etizolam a day. It's fucking horrifying and I can't function anymore. I feel like I ruined my brain from them. FUCK I can't quit. I try and I try but after a while I just snap. I've been on the same dose for a while and its' the same thing. I'm about to snap. I just crack and break down. I need a dose man I just want to feel normal and sleep. I have one. It would make me feel wonderful. The relief would be like day 5 of excruciating heroin withdrawal. This is torture man I'm screaming at myself inside. I want a fucking early dose. I do not feel safe and I have it and I don'
t know what the FUCK to do. Because what if I just wake up in the hospital and like I'm FUCKED because of this SHIT. fuckin Modern. Day. Enslavement.
 
Hey guys. I had to check out for a bit. I've been really depressed lately and hating my life. I don't wanna finish school. I don't wanna do anything. I just don't want to wake up anymore.

I sincerely hope you are all doing better than me. Shroomy, u ok man? Seems like ur having a very hard go of it.

Ash and painful one; how are you ladies doing? Hopefully all is well.

Everyone else; I'm here if you need me, pm anytime. I've been going down this road a long time and I may have some knowledge in my messed up fucking head somewhere.

Hey D.J.
It is so good to hear from you bro!
I hope this depression you are going through lifts very soon.
As well as the benzo crap tapering withdrawal.
Hang in there.

Sending you a hug and lots of support and encouragement sweetheart.

I'm doing well. Thanks for asking. Some ups and downs but mostly holding stable here so all is well.

Lots of Love to you!
❤️
 
You have any seizures coming off those... did you start taking them again I wouldn't blame you this is breaking me. This is tearing my whole entire life apart. I don't know how muchh longer I can go on like this. The drug is TORTURING ME. I think I should raise my dose I really should. But man. Then I think of how I can't even play guitar anymore because I had to take this shit to fucking keep myself alive. You have any seizures though cause Im on the verge of one
 
My whole entire life has fallen apart. I'm really worried right now about a seizure. See I have the hit right here in front of me. But, how much fucking longer can I take this before preferring to die? Benzodiazepine use is associated with suicide I'm pretty sure. I have a heavy heavy habit and this dangerous, very dangerous tapering is one thing especially just switching to etizolam from valium and xanax in a day like fuck. But it was all supply issues so I don't even know how much etizolam to take now I haven't used it in a couple of months. This is killing me. I can't trust that I'm safe. I can't trust my supply. It's insanity. My whole entire life is ruined and I know it. This is horrific. This is fucking horrific because I never, ever see myself recovering. This is chaos. I'm going to die to this shit but will I ever put up a fight. This is awful truly awful. I don't know if I should just take more because I feel like I am getting brain damage from it.
 
Take a deep breathe ShroomySatori.

Your appointment is tomorrow. Let's see what the medical people have to say.
They must have a way of treating this. You are definitely not the only person who has ever gone through this.
You are going to be okay!

I am hopeful that we can find something to help both you and D.J.

I really think changing from Valium to Xanax to etizolam also has something to do with making you feel this bad.
Even though they are in the same family of drugs, I don't think they completely cover each other.

Hang in there. You are not going to give up. You are going to make it all the way through this.
 
Benzo seizures can happen in as little as 24 hours from your last dose. This is no time to be strong Shroomi. The weekend is far too long.
 
There is some time, I have some doses for a few days.

I have two options that I am deciding between. Each one involves health care. There is one that my intuition says is absolutely the right way to go, but it is taking a slight risk. I would have a backup plan though and still be okay. I raised my dose a bit because I don't want to develop psychosis and I have been as dopie jay says TORTURED for 2 weeks now so I raised my dose for the time being so I can at least think straight enough to get advice and make a good decision. I already know what that decision is. It is taking a risk, but trusting someone I can actually trust who knows my anxiety best and has known my family and I for a long time. I am thinking who the first person in the medical system to break this information to is, and is is 100% this extremely intelligent, good listening, already knows me for so many years, and slightly rebellious professional and is right in touch with my family too. This is the one person I know will hear me out, actually understand what is going on and how serious it is because she is the one treating me for most of my life, and will be infuriated to come to understand how easy it is to get this shit when I show her. She won't just close a lid on that she is an extremely powerful person and will be taking it as far as she can to put a stop to this shit. People can get by on their psychedelic comedowns or bad trips without this nonsense. A single person suffering this much negates the usefulness of the drug to the entire population entirely in my opinion. It is simply WAY too dangerous, any short acting benzo is. It's a tough call. I will make my own decision and if I rebel for a couple of days, I do so unapologetically and with my best interests in mind.
 
Shroomi- something I figured out a couple if years ago with regards to my pain and pills is that I am the expert. Nobody knows me like I do. The best advice I will ever get comes from me when I am relaxed and lucid.
You have learned through experience, more than any friend or doctor, what is most likely to cure you or make you insane. You have said that it was doctors who put you here and that you should never trust another one of them. Why not write your own treatment plan?
You could sit down today, at a point when you kind of feel ok, and plan out a treatment plan of medication and/or therapy. Put it on paper. And read it back to yourself before your doctor appointment. Then go in armed with the best information available- your own.
Honestly, if I needed advice on opiate or benzo withdrawl or tapering, I would probably log into BlueLight and ask you or PainfulOne before I asked any doctor. Your life experience is more valuable than anything they teach in school.
 
Thank you squeaky. I will keep that in mind if I am unsure of what to say. I know to be 100% honest in this case because I can't fuck with my life.

I am also aware that this can be very poorly mistreated and at a high dose, that could be very dangerous.

I consulted with two of the smartest people I know; two of my best friends and went through my plan. They both agree it is solid. I am just telling the only medical professional in the world who I trust first before anyone else. I had a really amazing doctor / patient relationship with her all last year and never messed up appointments. Was always on top of my game. She is the only one who I trust with my life. She cannot leave me hanging, I have known her for 15 years so I won't be just another junkie not one bit. And there is an immediate connection to family through that as I think they should hear it from her not me. When the time is right and I have been stabilized.

I would rather that then walk into a hospital and drop this on someone I don't even know. It means waiting a day or 2, but that gives me more time to think about a life changing decision anyway. I tend to be impulsive and I need to make sure I don't do anything stupid. One wrong move and even with the best of intentions I could end up dead. Like my buddy was just saying it's important that I tell someone asap, and this doctor is the only doctor in the world who I can trust myself not lying to right now. I just got an early release to be away this week. She will know something is seriously wrong and I'm sure has for a while, so it will be nice to actually tell someone I trust won't hurt me. It's not going to be easy, but I am going to tell her absolutely everything from what this stuff is scientifically, how it is acquired so easily, and how many lives it is tearing to shreds. There is evidence all around. She will be so outrages it will be unspeakable. She will take this to the top officials in the country she will be so pissed off she is like Painful One like that. I trust she won't harm me I really do, this lovely doctor of mine. I speak so highly of her and did all last year.
 
Take a deep breathe ShroomySatori.

Your appointment is tomorrow. Let's see what the medical people have to say.
They must have a way of treating this. You are definitely not the only person who has ever gone through this.
You are going to be okay!

I am hopeful that we can find something to help both you and D.J.

I really think changing from Valium to Xanax to etizolam also has something to do with making you feel this bad.
Even though they are in the same family of drugs, I don't think they completely cover each other.

Hang in there. You are not going to give up. You are going to make it all the way through this.

Damn, I wish I could change from one medication to another. My doctor has been dropping my doses, and everyone else's dose if they were telling the truth. Nothing seems to alter their intention and short of getting some new horrible disease, I don't think they will even think about writing better meds.. I'm not even talking about decent meds either!
 
People even hear it every day, rappers nowadays talking about popping Xanax til they can't function and yet it's still ok? Gtfo. Ain't nothing ok about it. I've been using every opioid from tramadol to oxy to fentanyl and heroin since I was 14 and never once had withdrawal any worse than a bit of nausea, diarrhea, depression and a runny nose. I've been on benzos for nearly 3 years and I CANT fucking STOP no matter how hard I try. It's utter torture.

And what I said about there being no opioid crisis was a bit of a stretch. There IS an opioid crisis. Specifically a fentanyl crisis. I wouldn't even call it an opioid crisis. It's an OVERDOSE crisis.

10-12 years of opiate use and no major addiction vs 3 years of benzo use and crippling addiction. It kinda speaks for itself.

Even you had a bad heroin addiction which you say pales in comparison.


Man what the FUCK has happened to us. How can we survive shit like FUCKIN HEROIN I quit a very serious life threatening habit cold turkey, I overdosed twice and nearly died and also way more many times but like passing out for 12 hrs etc... be able to handle that for over 6 years and quit with nobody noticing a thing my family does not know I snorted heroin and shot it a little all day every day for 6 years, quit without too much complaining I mean it was like burning on the stake but not that that bad I knew I'd live. and then get FUCKED by this drug that doesn't even get you high? I've been on benzos for over 6 years and I CANNOT STOP. I CAN'T. I am SO. FUCKED.

Just pm me bro if you want to vent about this SHIT man I'm gonna end up in a fuckin COFFIN. I have a week supply of supply I require more than food and water to stay alive that is from some FUCKED up chemical maker. Those bastards are going to PAY for this SUFFERING they have brought upon the earth. People cannot resist this shit and they know it.

My heroin was chipped off a brick straight from Cambodia 90%+ pure H, before the fentanyl crisis, quitting it was FUCKED and I was also TORTURED but man. It was NOTHING compared to this shit. NOTHING! It hurt way more but never ever once did I worry if I was going to live through it. I wanted to cut my wrists sometimes but I wouldn't have, I was so depressed but I got over it quick. I don't see myself getting over this. My brain even after 2 weeks of withdrawal feels different. I feel spacey, and out of it. I feel like that put so much stress on my body it gave me brain damage man and from a FUCKIN DOCTOR.
 
Ash,

I haven't seen much here from you for a while. I have been tortured. I apologize if any of the messages were a little much for you. I think it is of vital importance at this time in the history of humankind that information about these drugs is spread. The Chinese have gone too far. They have created an abomination that is going to in my opinion, bring an end to the drug war and a lot of criminal activity.

Nobody can get away with making people suffer this much. It's highly addictive and people make mistakes. It should not be available this way. Whoever is involved in distributing and producing it, is playing a great part in the history of humankind. They are being so evil, heartless, careless, foolish, and blinded by money and legal protection that they do not see what they have become. Poison centres. No longer human, but slaves to the drug itself - an evil force that could be interpreted as anything from a molecular structure to an abominable, monstrous spirit.

Anyways, I think that these things are happening for a reason. My suffering is for a reason. I may die. There is a huge possibility I will die. I envision myself in a coffin resting peacefully. But, I don't want that. I want to live a long and happy life. This drug has ruined it. I used to have thousands of dollars of music equipment around. A 4k bike. All gone to this drug and I need it. I cannot stop it isn't like heroin where I just stopped one day. I think the last two weeks messed my head up to be honest. I still have tinnitus, and I feel really spaced out. I feel like I took a real beating. A real serious, thorough beating. I feel annihilated.

I hope you are well. I did not check the messages while I was gone. If I was gone? I can't remember. In benzo wd's there is too much amnesia. I do know that you care though, and I care about you too! So I hope that you have a great evening if you are in the same time zone, or wherever you are, in the coming hours I bless you with this.

Keep embracing the pain, the key is to see pleasure and pain as one and the same.

I don't mean to be so volatile it is sometimes beyond my control. You seem like a spiritual person too, like painful one and I. You probably have odd dreams, or flashbacks, deja vu, synchronicity, and see outside the box that humans have created for themselves to keep themselves from seeing the true light of the abyss. The infinite. Pain may be intractable, but you will always have your spirit.

I am not sure, myself. I think that when you die, whatever energy you had inside cannot be created or destroyed. It must remain the same, and if it leaves the body, where does it go? I feel that until certain obstacles are overcome, only a level of attainment may be reached. One of these is addiction that I am dealing with, it is holding back my spiritual growth significantly. It is rare to be born as a human, even rarer to be born as a good person, and rare to encounter these problems in life. We are special spirits and God sees through our eyes and knows all. I do not wish to die from this illness. It is very well possible. I like planet earth. I don't want to be reincarnated anywhere else where there are weird looking aliens and no weed, movies, candlelight, essential oils, and cute french girls. I just have so much left to do and cool jobs to work that I can't leave everything behind. But I don't think I can face benzo withdrawal unless it is a very slow 10% taper like ashton manual.

Time is of the essence so I thought I would leave you with some words of wisdom today. I am very stoned and what I am saying is not really coming from myself, but deeper within. I bless you with a long and happy life, please watch your posture with chronic pain. It makes a big difference to makes sure that your shoulders are set back and down in back, core engaged at all times, and neck not hanging down. That has helped me and maybe it will help you too. Thanks for the help, and everyone else.
 
Take a deep breathe ShroomySatori.

Your appointment is tomorrow. Let's see what the medical people have to say.
They must have a way of treating this. You are definitely not the only person who has ever gone through this.
You are going to be okay!

I am hopeful that we can find something to help both you and D.J.

I really think changing from Valium to Xanax to etizolam also has something to do with making you feel this bad.
Even though they are in the same family of drugs, I don't think they completely cover each other.

Hang in there. You are not going to give up. You are going to make it all the way through this.

You are right, they are different for sure I am noticing that I feel a little spacey today. I strongly prefer traditional benzos. However, they do pretty much substitute great with all things considering. Better than nothing right?!

As you know, you have been helping me see this through like an angel.
 
Man, my dealer even said two of his friends had seizures and lost their licenses. That would suck, I just got a car, although I am beyond the realm of material possessions at this point of my life. Except for enchanted items.

It is literally TORTURE man. HELL. HLLL!!! It's just like all day all night all day all night it's all a blur and in my mind I'm going through SO much and sometimes I'm like make it stop, make it STOP. But I can't. When does it end?

I had a serious H habit as well, it was def going to kill me if I kept at it I would not be ere right now. I can't believe I survived that. But this has me worried or my health 12 days into a steep taper drop. I feel in danger right now I just switched from xanax and valium to etizolam due to supply issues and I don't really know my tolerance. I have to be conservative. So like, I'm basically risking my life because there is so much stigma around this health problem. I'm starting to have fuckin tremors man I can't take it anymore. Eventually I become exhausted like just give in to it.

But yeah man when I quit heroin it was actually one of the happiest times of my life. I had a lovely girlfriend too and I saw her every night it was great. And I was sane back then man. At least a little.

My heroin habit was totally fucked, over a year later I still don't feel right from that well I kept going with the oxy after I stopped the H but really this is such a more severe problem that opiate addiction is irrelevant at this point. If I could afford it, I'd probably buy a gram to help see me through. Wouldn't give a fuck right now I feel so messed up man I can't take it anymore I don't feel safe I just want to feel SAFE man I know this withdrawal ENDS LIVES for fucks sake and doctors of all people give it out? Man, didn't they go to school for like 15 years? DOn't know what's going on there I thought they were smart man I really odontological feel safe right now I really dont feel safe.
My buddy/drug dealer had a seizure a while ago and lost his licence. Since then someone broke into his house and robbed him (for benzos) and the cops got wind of it and arrested him.

Now the guys who stole the benzos lost their minds and attempted suicide, while my buddy went to jail, then rehab because he was worried for his life.

$40,000 and 4 weeks later he's out of rehab and clean, while his robbers have been in and out of mental institutes and jail for different reasons ever since.

I've never seen a type of drug destroy so many lives so fast.
 
Hey D.J.
It is so good to hear from you bro!
I hope this depression you are going through lifts very soon.
As well as the benzo crap tapering withdrawal.
Hang in there.

Sending you a hug and lots of support and encouragement sweetheart.

I'm doing well. Thanks for asking. Some ups and downs but mostly holding stable here so all is well.

Lots of Love to you!
❤️
I'm fighting myself not to take my last 3 Valium. The depression is slowly getting better but it'll get worse again eventually. Gotta love bipolar disorder.

Opioids have been helping keep me distracted at least in the past few days but I don't have much.

The benzo withdrawal is not bad anymore actually and I haven't been drinking either since I got violently sick on New Years lol.

Things are coming around slowly.
 
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