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Mental Health Coming Off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v.2

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Yeshuah said:
@dirtyinvega I would advise you to get in touch with Baylissa, she has a lot of experience and she will tell you that you will recover everything and that it takes time. You have to be off of everything for a long time to make a conclusion. Saying that there are people that won't recover everything after being off for 2 years but not mentioning that you were taking antidepressants is irresponsible and discouraging for people who are looking for help. I don't mean to attack anyone. But I am in touch with a lot of people that are coming off of antidepressants as well and they have similar problems and they have them for years after being off of them. But they do eventually recover. Blaming everything on invega is just not right. You just have to be aware, that right now you are in antidepressant withdrawal as well. 2 months is not enough time for your brain to recover from antidepressants. It can take years for that as well. People in this forum don't seem to get that. But I won't argue with you guys. I just don't want that other people get discouraged. Because not everything is from the invega. Everyone can do the research about side effects and WD symtoms from ADs. I am talking to A LOT of people that are numb because of ADs.
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Yeah I'll look into it. Well I know for a 100% FACT that Invega injections did this to me. I know my body before I took Invega Injections. I know what's REAL and what's not. The Antidepressants didn't do this to me. I have taken about 4 different types of APs including Risperdone which is very close to Invega and it didn't do this to me. You can think what you want - you can think i'm irresponsible and discouraging - but I speak the truth - no lies. Some people wont recovery it's the truth. Why lie to people and give them false hope. we have had enough of lies in this world. it's makes me so mad. I have reported the side effects and what I went though to TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration) I will be suing ACT Health for the loss of wages and the hurt I went though. I dont understand why you dont see why that invega injection did this to you? I really don't. Where do you think that all these symptoms and withdrawals and all the problems your having now just come out of thin air and out of no where? come on mate. I'm trying not to be mean and upset people but - come on. You say time heal everything. yes! in some cases. but not all.
 
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Dont you think maybe that stamcells could be implated in the cortex to make new rezeptor-cells? I also habe only felt real emotions for some secunds!! There must be a few good receptor-cells, but very less I Imagine.
 
invegauser
@germanbackyard: @&*#^$%&*@#^$%@#*%^*&#@^%*^@#&%**&@#^%!! (deep breath in, slowly exhaling)

i just looked at my external memory and did not back up as much as i thought.

i will look through old posts and find that info for you.


Sry, i didn't understand your post.



1.) Should "@&*#^$%&*@#^$%@#*%^*&#@^%*^@#&%**&@#^%!! (deep breath in, slowly exhaling)" mean, that I'm
complaining too much.


2.) i will look through old posts and find that info for you.

What you find? - Sry i have comprehension problems.




 
those symbols are me cursing while censoring it because my laptop crashed the other day and i didn't have as many files backed up as i thought i did. (half of my invega/xeplion info is gone)

what i was looking for was other people who have been here that took zyprexa so i could pass along the info to you.

i will look up that info later and get it to you.

Diese Symbole verfluchen mich beim Zensieren, weil mein Laptop neulich abgest?rzt ist und ich nicht so viele Dateien gesichert hatte, wie ich dachte. (die H?lfte meiner Invega / Xeplion-Informationen ist weg)

Was ich suchte, waren andere Leute, die hier waren und Zyprexa nahmen, damit ich die Informationen an Sie weitergeben konnte.

Ich werde diese Informationen sp?ter nachschlagen und Ihnen zukommen lassen.
 
I never said that Invega didn't do this to me. I only said that you cannot differenciate what's what after having taken other stuff. You may have taken other AP and didn't have the same reaction, but it can also mean that your body has been weakend by the other drugs and wasn't able to handle any more of this shit. Because there are a lot of people that go well after taking psych drugs one time. And then the next time becomes worse and worse. You can't stop at one point and say there are people that don't recover. You will recover too. You are still on the way to recovery. Just let the body do it and don't shock it again and again. Because honestly I say that that's discouraging for a reason. Because I will not go on like this with my life. If I don't recover fully, I will take my life one day. And I'm sure there are other people that may take their lives after reading your posts. You can say that after 2 years you're still not recovered. But don't say that just because you didn't recover in 2 years that you won't ever recover. You don't know what's waiting in the future. Invegauser took way longer to recover, but he did eventually after 5 years.
 
ladies and gentlemen: we are all different and react to chemicals in different ways.

let's instead think of it as abstaining from drugs is going to help the healing process.

and imho abstaining from psych meds will help the healing process.

make sense?

(and of course germanbackyard would bring up a good point)

(und nat?rlich w?rd deutsche Hinterhof einen guten Punkt bringen.)
 
Yeshuah said:
I never said that Invega didn't do this to me. I only said that you cannot differenciate what's what after having taken other stuff. You may have taken other AP and didn't have the same reaction, but it can also mean that your body has been weakend by the other drugs and wasn't able to handle any more of this shit. Because there are a lot of people that go well after taking psych drugs one time. And then the next time becomes worse and worse. You can't stop at one point and say there are people that don't recover. You will recover too. You are still on the way to recovery. Just let the body do it and don't shock it again and again. Because honestly I say that that's discouraging for a reason. Because I will not go on like this with my life. If I don't recover fully, I will take my life one day. And I'm sure there are other people that may take their lives after reading your posts. You can say that after 2 years you're still not recovered. But don't say that just because you didn't recover in 2 years that you won't ever recover. You don't know what's waiting in the future. Invegauser took way longer to recover, but he did eventually after 5 years.
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@dirtyinvega : I second what Yeshuah says. We do not know what our body can do after 5 or 10 years off of Invega. I have never read so far someone who never recovered or who hasn't got better after let's say 10 years. I believe in recovery. I can understand where you come from and that after 2 years you gave up on believing recovery is possible. But I hope and believe you will get better and hopefully recover just like the majority. It is very honorable that you had the strength to accept your situation and decided to live life no matter the circumstances.

Best Regards

@Yeshuah: don't take your life man.
 
we are entitled to our opinions but not to our own facts.

we cannot put ourselves in someone elses shoes and know what they go through entirely (it's not good to compare either).

we cannot fully understand what an experimental AP like invega/xeplion does or the extent of it in all matters.

we cannot say someone will not fully heal from it because it hasn't happened yet (that we know of).

you two are arguing over what... who is the biggest loser and who is the most depressing?

is this productive? will it help either of you or anyone else heal for that fact.

dirtyinvega is simply seeing things how they are now and working within limitations and doesn't know what tomorrow will bring.

Yeshuah is simply seeing the upside of things and also doesn't know what the future holds in store.

one is reality and not finite while the other is possibility and not finite.

you two need us to give you some space to work this out between the two of you or something?
 
Yeshuah said:
@zack I won't, only if I don't recover, because I can't live without the full potential I had. @invegauser please say something. I'm so desperate now... I don't wanna hear such things. I am very vulnerable in this state. He will recover too right? We will all recover. Please contact Baylissa @dirtyinvega
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Mate Don't kill your self mate. Just dont. Just have a backup plan in place. I might recover in 5 years time - but I don't know what the future brings. I will contact Baylissa. But the thing is I already have my back up plan in place. She might be able to help a little bit - but I'm sticking to my backup plan. Anyways I have upset people on this forum/thread. I will give everyone some space.
 
@dirtyinvega We didn't do anything wrong. We have the right to share our concerns and you have the right to doubt, because it's been a long time, I don't know if I would think the same if I were you. So I still understand you. And it is good to make the best of what's possible right now. But please please never give up in believing that the future will be brighter and that you do everything you can to make it possible. I don't know what the future will bring either. But I am gonna take my life if I'm not satisfied. This I know for sure. And I promise to myself that in my next life I won't chose to experience such horrible horrible shit. I will just want to live in peace somewhere in my own little house, maybe have a dog and some animals and a garden. I don't need anything more than that. And I never asked for much. They have destroyed my life already, it doesn't matter what happens anymore.
 
HateInvega and i had something similar happen right as he fully healed and shortly before i did. i realized something at the time and couldn't communicate it back then. he was seeing things one way, i was seeing them in a another way.

it's similar to what dirtyinvega and Yeshuah are going through right now.

HateInvega and i will never fully get along. that's life, you can't get along with everyone all the time. life is not perfect. towards the end of the healing process we start to begrudgingly come back to the reality that is no longer being held in place by the poison anymore.

what's important it that we all keep perspective of what healing looks like for ourselves and each other. we all have the same goal but all are different people. we get there the same together and sometimes in our own way because we are different people. i think what dirtyinvega is saying is he is accepting what he can right now. maybe given enough time the poison will finally let go of him, that last lil bit. what Yeshuah is saying is that enduring what we all go through during the trial is one of the objectives in getting to the goal. both look different for everyone in how we get there.

we have Rosi71 who has been on two years now, zack365 is bursting with excitement cause he is so close and a few new people who are really confused right now. there are many levels and degrees because that is part of being human beings, we are complicated creatures; more so than we understand sometimes. what we do here is make our own strides together and separately. part of that is connecting with other people. part of that looks different for each person on a personal level cause we are different human beings.

@dirtyinvega: well said. you keep plugging away at this in your own way and everything will be fine sooner or late.

@Yeshuah: there is no reason to take your own life, you don't want to. it's the poison playing a trick on you. you are simply over loaded with stress right now and cannot manage it like you normally would pre-xeplion.

to both of you: maybe it's a good idea for both of you to walk away for now and collect yourselves before coming back and connecting with the thread. it's something you would both do irl without the poison anyway and might help in the healing process in giving you some perspective. a small blessing. no one is getting kicked out, no one has done wrong, things are just a lil heated right now and giving each other (and everyone else here) time in their respective self and space will be beneficial to you both.
 
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This has nothing to do about hate towards dirtyinvega. And I never wanted this to look like we don't get along. I actually said this because I care and don't want ppl to give up but whatever. I'm not posting that much in this thread anyway so it doesn't make any difference. Bye guys
 
all i was saying was you two weren't seeing eye to eye, not saying you hated each other.

i didn't read your two posts until after i posted that last one. i couldn't see it while typing up mine cause i couldn't refresh the screen. i'm the third wheel or the useless arse in this case.

i wasn't saying anyone was doing anything wrong. i was trying to give an option and you two have already figured it out for yourselves and between the two of you.

not an easy thing to do, especially while on the poison.

you two accomplished something great here. don't let it be for nothing.

decompress. keep your plans in place and continue to focus on the healing first.

nothing else is needed i don't think. what do you think?
 
alright @invegauser I didn't know either that you were still typing while we wrote our posts. So everything is fine for me. I won't give up for at least a year off and then we'll see. I can't take this for too long I think. But I don't wanna complain all the time. I'll let you guys know when I either kill myself or fully recovered. There are only these two options for me. Because I have to either complete my mission in this life or the next one. So I leave this decision to God and told him that after 1 year off there it has to be clear for me. Let's see what God has planned for me...
 
that i do not wish for you. that i do not want you to do. give it a year? yes, to see what developments take place.

give it a year to take your life? no, that is not a good thing. none of us want to see you take your own life. i'm pretty sure you don't want to either. maybe things wont be as bad as they are now a year from now.

you yourself have said as much to other people (very recently even). don't give up, don't let the science of psychiatry and the poison win. please do not deny yourself the opportunities in life to enjoy things again, please do not give up on you.

if in a years time you still intend on going through with this please seek some help, come back here and we'll figure out something to get you through this.

in all due honesty it's not worth it. i tried and succeeded. what's worse is not having to get back up when it's all over, it's sucking it up until you realize that's not an option you wanted to take because it was the only way out, but the only option you could see or accept at the time.

if anyone at anytime is feeling suicidal please check yourself in to the E.R. and seek medical attention. we all are going to heal eventually in our own time and in our own way. 2 years on the pill, 10 months on the injection, 5+ years healing, one successful suicide under my belt. take it from me, what's worse than feeling this way is not feeling anything at all.

none of us want anyone to go anywhere, none of us want anyone to die. i don't want Yeshuah to die. you have contributed some good posts here. your going through a difficult time. it wont last forever.

i didn't stop. i have faith you and dirtyinvega will not either in your own ways until you are fully healed and then you will keep going and make the most out of life unlike other people who do not have the same appreciation and love that the rest of us have from the trial.

take it one day at a time and hang in there. it does get better. you will fully heal. promise.
 
Yeshuah said:
@dirtyinvega We didn't do anything wrong. We have the right to share our concerns and you have the right to doubt, because it's been a long time, I don't know if I would think the same if I were you. So I still understand you. And it is good to make the best of what's possible right now. But please please never give up in believing that the future will be brighter and that you do everything you can to make it possible. I don't know what the future will bring either. But I am gonna take my life if I'm not satisfied. This I know for sure. And I promise to myself that in my next life I won't chose to experience such horrible horrible shit. I will just want to live in peace somewhere in my own little house, maybe have a dog and some animals and a garden. I don't need anything more than that. And I never asked for much. They have destroyed my life already, it doesn't matter what happens anymore.
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Don't worry mate. I haven't given up on hope. Why do you think I have a plan (b) ? I truly believe I can recover. But I have to accept that things might not work out. I don't want to hurt my family or my pernter. so I worked on a plan (b) in case plan. I truly believe what your saying don't give up on hope that I might recover in 5-10 years time it's a real possibility. I care about each and everyone in this thread/forum. I'm not disagreeing with anyone. We all have our views. I see yours. And it make sense. I don't hate anyone. Hate is a really really strong word. Hope is one of those mechanisms in the brain that stops us from doing silly things. I have temporary lost hope/put my guard down so I move on with my life. But deep down i still have hope things will change in the future. Anyways I'll give you people some space to help each other though this progress.
 
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you do what's right for you.

take the time you need. we're here for you when your ready.

we do want you here. we respect your choice to take some time or space if you feel the need to or think that's best. your one of us mate ;).

wouldn't be the same without either of you.

like i said earlier, no harm, no foul.

proud as f**k at the both of you. handled this like true human beings made out of pure greatness while dealing with the poison. talk about legendary (plus you both made me look like an idiot in two ways to boot).

i gotta pass out now. intense day so far here but good stuff happening, there's a silver lining here for those in doubt.

heal quickly everyone. peace.
 
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