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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

I don't get nausea from it, it can produce a bit of a sour stomach but to combat that I usually eat a light breakfast before taking it. I really don't get nausea from anything, but my friends that take it also don't seem to get nauseous from it.

But anyway the peak is kind of indistinct. It ramps up relatively quickly considering the duration, by 2 hours you'll be fully in it, but it gets gradually stronger for a few hours and then gradually less strong, but you'll be fully tripping until T+10 or T+12, when it drops off more noticeably and becomes more euphoric and zen.
 
It seems that my wife does not want to take any psychedelics. :(
Well, I'll postpone the DOC trip for another time, I feel we will not be in sync in this way, and it's a trip for the whole day.

I will take with me 25mg of 2c-c to administer rectally when we return to the lodge in the afternoon. I have not tried this substance yet.

Thanks for your recommendations.


DocLad
 
As a counterpoint, DOC makes me quit nauseous on the come-up. I've definitely thrown up as a result a few times. That being said, pretty much all psychedelics except for LSD make me nauseous during the come-up.
 
Doclad said:
It seems that my wife does not want to take any psychedelics. :(
Well, I'll postpone the DOC trip for another time, I feel we will not be in sync in this way, and it's a trip for the whole day.

I will take with me 25mg of 2c-c to administer rectally when we return to the lodge in the afternoon. I have not tried this substance yet.

Thanks for your recommendations.


DocLad
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great choice. Plugging it miiiiiight make you a bit out of it, but you should still have fun. If it's just you and the wifey and she knows you are tripping it will probably end with much sexy time.
 
yepyepwoah said:
great choice. Plugging it miiiiiight make you a bit out of it, but you should still have fun. If it's just you and the wifey and she knows you are tripping it will probably end with much sexy time.
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Hi!


Finally I connected 30mg of 2c-c (20mg+10mg) and had a great time.
The duration was two hours. I had very nice bodily sensations(I was lying down during the whole trip) very similar to those offered by the MDxx family, and I had very beautiful and complex visuals with the trees(I could not differentiate the leaves of the birds) and the tiles in the kitchen.

2c-c was not challenging at all, in fact it has been the softest psychedelic I've tried so far. High body and visual effects but no psychedelic mind. Ego intact. Perfect to introduce a newbie.
This has been another trip to reaffirm that the rectal route only brings benefits. Powerful climbing and minimum body load. I had a bit of chills and a strange feeling in my teeth(lol), but nothing more.

Towards the end of the trip I insufflated 60mg of ketamine that sent me to outer space. I became a frog 8o and had a strange relationship with water and his meaning. I had quite strong hallucinations looking at my hands.
Very psychedelic experience with pronounced euphoria and dissociation , no doubt there was a great synergy.


DocLad
 
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2C-C is a beautiful substance, similar to 2C-B but more psychedelic. I agree that they're in a similar realm as MDMA, also. I find 2C-C to consistently produce very useful introspection, along with substantial euphoria and a great body feel, and also nice visuals. DOC has similarities to 2C-C for sure, but DOC is a much stronger psychedelic. In general not all the DOXs are too similar to their corresponding 2C-X... for example, 2C-B is even easier and lighter than 2C-C, yet DOB is a heavy-duty and very powerful psychedelic.

That reminds me... I have some DOB blotters, I still have to give that one a try.
 
Xorkoth said:
2C-C is a beautiful substance, similar to 2C-B but more psychedelic. I agree that they're in a similar realm as MDMA, also. I find 2C-C to consistently produce very useful introspection, along with substantial euphoria and a great body feel, and also nice visuals. DOC has similarities to 2C-C for sure, but DOC is a much stronger psychedelic. In general not all the DOXs are too similar to their corresponding 2C-X... for example, 2C-B is even easier and lighter than 2C-C, yet DOB is a heavy-duty and very powerful psychedelic.

That reminds me... I have some DOB blotters, I still have to give that one a try.
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2c-b seems less psychedelic than 2c-c? This doesn't seem to be the general consensus. I have only tried 2c-b and never above 20mg, 30mg of 2c-c plugged in was more powerful than the two experiences with 2c-b. What is the equipotent dose for the two substances?

I have proposed to take the family 2c-x starting with 2c-c and scaling little by little towards the more potent compounds (2c-c, 2c-b, 2c-e and 2c-p). These are the 2c-x that I have in my possession. 8)


DocLad
 
Huh, generally in my reading (and experience), people don't regard 2C-B as strongly psychedelic, mostly visual and empathogenic. Except in combos, 2C-B really shines in combos, especially with LSD and/or ketamine/dissos.

2C-B and 2C-C are similarly potent, 2C-B may be a little more potent. 2C-I, 2C-E and 2C-P are very potent though, especially 2C-P. 2C-E is among the most profoundly powerful of all psychedelics I've tried, it's in a totally different league than the rest, except 2C-P seems to be in that same sort of realm, but cloudier.
 
Xorkoth said:
Huh, generally in my reading (and experience), people don't regard 2C-B as strongly psychedelic, mostly visual and empathogenic. Except in combos, 2C-B really shines in combos, especially with LSD and/or ketamine/dissos.

2C-B and 2C-C are similarly potent, 2C-B may be a little more potent. 2C-I, 2C-E and 2C-P are very potent though, especially 2C-P. 2C-E is among the most profoundly powerful of all psychedelics I've tried, it's in a totally different league than the rest, except 2C-P seems to be in that same sort of realm, but cloudier.
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Then my batch of 2c-c must be very impure, since 30mg of 2c-b plugged in would have been much more powerful. My 2c-b HCl have a purity of 81%.


DocLad
 
Well we all have differences in metabolism. Some people report needing much more, like 50-60mg of 2C-C. 30mg plugged should have been strong though, that's a big dose. For me, orally, I need about the same dose of 2C-B and 2C-C, maybe slightly more 2C-C.

It's similar to how some people need as much as 70mg of 2C-T-7 to fully trip, yet others can trip off of 15-20mg.
 
Ill be finally in a situation in a couple weeks where I will have enough alone time available for doc-how is it for creativity (writing,drawing,musical pursuits)?
 
It's great for creativity. My suggestion is to not sit around for the first stages though... every time I don't spend the beginning moving around and doing stuff I get a pretty intense restless bodyload. My favorite thing to do is go hiking or something for the first half and then for the second half, play music/etc. DOC produces a lot of energy. The second stage is also when I get the most inspiration.
 
Thanks Xorkoth-

Do you find it to have more control when out and about than LSD-especially during come up and peak? (I always find LSD manageable outside once the trip has plateaud. More because of the headspace)
 
Yes for sure, I feel quite on my game with DOC. At least at normal doses. It's very focusing, my favorite activity on it is "river hiking" which involves jumping between boulders and climbing over waterfalls up mountain rivers. Quite dangerous but I feel perfectly safe on 2 or even 3mg of DOC. I've also done it on LSD but I don't prefer it. On LSD I am much more scattered and at times unsure of myself, but not so with DOC.
 
Yes DOC made me feel very focused, and I have ADHD so this is something I tend to notice with certain drugs. It altered my taste and smell unlike any other drug I have done; everything tasted and smelled like some kind of plastic. Faintly reminded me of burning plastic. I've never experienced this effect with any other drug.
 
A question regarding combos.

I love DOC and at T+6-8hours or so add some 4HOMET in the mix.
I also like mixing 4HOMET and 5MeOMiPT.

My question: has anyone tried mixing DOC with 5MeOMiPT ? Any ideas ?
There's a big festival coming up and I'd like to combine 4homet and DOC again, and was thinking about adding some 5meomipt in the mix. Discuss away !
 
Achten said:
A question regarding combos.

I love DOC and at T+6-8hours or so add some 4HOMET in the mix.
I also like mixing 4HOMET and 5MeOMiPT.

My question: has anyone tried mixing DOC with 5MeOMiPT ? Any ideas?
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4-HO-MET would be fine, but I'm a little leery of combining 5-MeO-MiPT with an amphetamine. I'm sure it's been done, but I've read conflicting reports of its pharmacology. I think it's doubtful that it's a MAOi, as some have reported. I've read elsewhere on Bluelight that it can in fact be safely combined with MDMA, so perhaps it isn't an issue. I do find that it potentiates other psychedelics, but that could just be synergy, not pharmacology. Either way, I know that the combo would be too stimulating for me, but I can't speak for anyone else. Hopefully someone else has a better understanding of 5-MeO-MiPT's pharmscology.
 
Interesting experience with DOC this week-
Tabs were said to be at 2.5 mg but judging by the effects and from reading reports online my guess was it was at 1.6 mg.
Long come up as expected and definitely an uncomfortable one. Next time around I will preload with Phenibut. I had to do a lot of yoga style stretching to push through the weird body load.
Strong stimulation and very interesting thought patterns. I was in a hotel room-and staring from the balcony at pulsing waving architecture and had a strange connection to the sea gulls flying from building to building. I thought about the microuniverse animals have thay coexist within our human created environments. Music was pleasurable, very roll-y. I was surprised to start feeling hungry when the nausea settled, ordered some breakfast and was able to control myself when the food came to my door and act semi normal (closed my eyes halfway and pretended to have to just woken up). Being that this was my first journey into this substance I didnt want to walk onto major city streets until I felt it out-I must have taken one of the longer showers in my life (amazing) and then felt I was fine to walk. My eyes were huge-phenethylamines tend to cause me to have the "tripper eyes" that are much more obvious than tryptamines. No hallucinations, everything was beautiful and like other phens I noticed there is a strong emphasis on blues and purples. I am able to walk to the ocean as I am up in the Pacific northwest-and was blown away by the sounds of the tourplanes taking off and landing by the tourist piers. The noises were very similar to sputtering bass in dnb/dubstep. No anxiety around crowds as long as I kept moving and focused. I had moments where I just wanted to laugh uncontrollably. I started the trip at 430 am and was able to sleep reasonable well after eating a cannabis edible at 10 pm. I did a lot of walking which I suspect helps with the sleep. All in all, I felt I could have taken two tabs but theres always the worry of unevenly laid blotter.

A side note:
On my trip I brought with me ALD-52 in case the DOC was inactive. I waited three days and dropped the two 125 ug tabs thinking there would be a tolerance. It was one of my most intense ALD experiences and didnt feel muted at all by cross tolerance. These kind of things are so unpredictable and I am glad I had a secure spot for myself without interruption to give myself over to that. Is the lack of cross tolerance related to taking a smaller amount of DOC?
 
Being in a hotel room was your mistake. I don't like taking DOC unless I can be outside moving around for the come-up... or at least doing something physical. Every time I've ever taken it and sat around it's really uncomfortable until the later stages, usually even right through the peak.

Of course I'd prefer to be in nature all the time. And it makes sense to not want to walk around city streets your first time. I don't like being in cities when I trip but that's just me. Anyway sounds like it resolved itself and was a good trip. Just saying, when I'm out doing things, I don't even find the come-up uncomfortable, the whole trip goes smoother and better. Especially when I'm with a friend, the conversations are non-stop and epic.
 
Yes Im definitely more of a nature tripper as well, luckily the ocean wasnt too far from me. It definitely has a confidence and outgoing quality that I cant wait to explore more, very extroverted in comparison to lysergamides.
 
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